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Arcanist
2012-09-27, 05:30 PM
Anyone have a link to that list where it shows X stat to Y Stat? I wanna make a character for my friends game that can make some absurdly high bluff checks... Why you ask? No reason :smallsmile: I just want to try it since as a party face I always abuse Diplomacy and I want to see what I can do with Bluff instead :smallredface:

So hit my with your best shot playground :smallbiggrin:

This game will be 20 levels with all books allowed, so go crazy :smallsmile:

Psyren
2012-09-27, 05:38 PM
Google "X bonus to Y stat" and you'll see all the iterations. (I think MMB has the latest one but could be wrong.)

Spuddles
2012-09-27, 05:42 PM
Between an item familiar, glibness, and full ranks, I'm not sure if investment in more stats to your check would be worthwhile. I would instead look at ways of stacking spells that boost skill checks, like divine insight. Item familiar gets you+23, ranks +23, glibness +30, and divine insight +25. That's like +100 right there.

gorfnab
2012-09-27, 05:52 PM
Google "X bonus to Y stat" and you'll see all the iterations. (I think MMB has the latest one but could be wrong.)
Here it is: X Stat to Y Bonus (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=4369.0)

Doc_Pippin
2012-09-27, 06:02 PM
Bard Glibness spell +30 bluff
Snake familiar +3
Circlet of Persuasion
Skill Focus: Bluff - feat
Persuasive - feat
Mountebank (Complete Scoundrel) +int to bluff
Rapscallion Feat from dragon mag +int to bluff (Again)
Conceal Thoughts power +10 bluff (For hours)
Veil of Allure
Dishonest trait
Disciple of Baalzebul BoVD Gains Intelligence to Bluff as well as Charisma
Nymph's kiss Feat
For Dip. also use nimbus of light

Hat of Disguise should help with alot of bluffs to make some of them more believable

Empty Vessel Race (human traits, 1 pp per HD, +2 to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate; tradeoff is Psion as a favored class and a +1 LA Good with Pendant of joy (RE, 5,000 gp) - Provides +5 morale bonus to Diplomacy to all within 30 feet. Wearer must have at least 1 power point. (Not bluff but good)

Thats all that come to mind other than that just boost Cha and if the option is taken also boost Int

But by the rules of bluff if your DM follows them are
Example Circumstances Sense Motive Modifier
The target wants to believe you. –5
The bluff is believable and doesn’t affect the target much. +0
The bluff is a little hard to believe or puts the target at some risk. +5
The bluff is hard to believe or puts the target at significant risk. +10
The bluff is way out there, almost too incredible to consider. +20

So Glibness with an already maxed Bluff is insane

Diovid
2012-09-27, 06:02 PM
Abusing bluff probably involves one or more of the following:

The awesome Charlatan prc (Dragon Magazine 335)
The Rapscallion feat (Dragon Magazine 315)
A Mountebank dip (Complete Scoundrel)
A Marshal dip (Miniatures Handbook, also available online)
The 1st Changeling Rogue substitution level (Races of Eberron)
Levels in Exemplar (Complete Adventurer)
Interaction Skill Tricks (Complete Scoundrel)
The Combat Panache, Fade into Violence, Master Manipulator and Wanderer's Diplomacy feats (PHB II)

jmelesky
2012-09-27, 07:00 PM
Is there an X to Y list for Pathfinder?

BShammie
2012-09-27, 09:36 PM
Is there an X to Y list for Pathfinder?

The second post in the thread that Gorfnab linked to has it.
It's pretty empty.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2012-09-27, 09:41 PM
Eternal Wand of Glibness, done.