Ways to fake your alignment?

[Getsugaru]

Chaos, Law, Righteousness, Damnation, Neutrality; Each combines with another in unique ways, with nine possible combinations in existence. These combinations, however, can be faked...

While looking through the Fiendish Codices, I ran into some beautiful things that allow you to fake your alignment: Ordered Chaos (Chaotic alignment) and Hellbred (Evil alignment). Now I'm wondering about ways to get the other two alignment components faked. Anybody know?

Now, I'm getting the feeling you might be curious as to why I want all four alignment components at once. My reason is this: there are some class features that give benefits depending on one's alignment (ex. Incarnate Avatar, etc.), some of which would be nice to possess at the same time as the rest. I've found half, just need the other half. Again, anybody know?

Thanks in advance.

[TuggyNE]

At first I assumed you were trying to give misleading results to detect X spells etc, but this is a lot trickier.... Do alignment subtypes help at all? (I doubt they do, sadly.)

[only1doug]

DC 30 UMD check (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/useMagicDevice.htm)

[TuggyNE]

DC 30 UMD check (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/useMagicDevice.htm)

That works for magic items, but not, I think, for class features; also, it's limited to one full alignment faked at a time.

[only1doug]

That works for magic items, but not, I think, for class features; also, it's limited to one full alignment faked at a time.

Well it would require DM approval to be allowed to work for class features. You can only fake one alignment at a time but that isn't limited to one axis, you can choose to emulate chaotic good or lawful evil as a single alignment.

[Sgt. Cookie]

Ordered chaos only lets you keep a non-chaotic alignment no matter how may AbHe feats you take, spells and effects treat you as chaotic and you can take Primordial scion ONLY regardless of your alignment.

Hellbred only lets you cast evil spells and wield evil magic items.


Sorry, but that's the RAW. No alignment spoofing for anything other than stated.

[Arcanist]

This is one of the reasons why Bluff is one of my favorite skills (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#displayFalseAlignment) :smallamused:

Haley, pretty much explains why (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0767.html) :smallwink: it's basically an At will Wish with no XP cost! :smallbiggrin:

[nedz]

There is an Horizon Walker Planer Trait which allows you to conceal your alignment from spells; such as Holy Word etc.

[Telonius]

You could have a "friendly" caster ready with a Mindrape. Pretty powerful (and very evil) stuff, though.

[2xMachina]

Well, Master of Masks (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070105a&page=3) could make your alignment appear as Any/N and N/N depending on which mask you wear, but... I don't think it fools class features....

[nedz]

Having just re-read the book: the Horizon Walker (Aligned) Planer Terrain Mastery makes you immune to spells and abilities which target specific alignments, so no negative levels for Holy swords etc.
It also covers the effects of aligned planes.

[Slipperychicken]

Don't the Evil/Good subtypes qualify you for stuff without changing your alignment?

[TuggyNE]

Don't the Evil/Good subtypes qualify you for stuff without changing your alignment?

"Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has a <good, evil, lawful, chaotic> alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is."

If you consider class features "effects", sure. I find that interpretation somewhat dubious.


This is one of the reasons why Bluff is one of my favorite skills (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#displayFalseAlignment) :smallamused:

The same, except more so; it only applies to "alignment-sensing" effects. Almost certainly not going to work. (If you believe Rage is an alignment-sensing effect, I have a trick with ring gates to sell you....)

[Slipperychicken]

Wasn't there one build which managed to have every alignment (Lawful, Chaotic, Evil, Good) at once?

[only1doug]

Wasn't there one build which managed to have every alignment (Lawful, Chaotic, Evil, Good) at once?

Succubus Paladin does (I think), they get chaotic and evil as racial alignment even if they have been redeemed, becoming a Paladin adds the lawful and good (strictly speaking the paladin isn't necessary). Withe the Succubus Paladin they have an aura of each alignment..

[The Random NPC]

Wasn't there one build which managed to have every alignment (Lawful, Chaotic, Evil, Good) at once?

The Word (http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Wish_and_the_Word_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Bu ild)), part of a duo, and I'm not really convinced it's legal though.