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Strormer
2012-10-08, 01:53 PM
Alright, I haven't played magic since kamigawa, but some friends wanted to try playing again so I started building a deck. I'm running a blue/black mill deck based around the Raven Guild Master and I wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions on my build. Here's what I've got planned:

Raven Guild Master Mill Deck
Blue:
x4 Raven Guild Master (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=43582)
x4 Crafty Pathmage (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=134758)
x1 Traumatize (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=208221)
x2 Distortion Strike (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=198168)
x1 Shadow Rift (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4725)

Black:
x1 Demonic Tutor (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=202628)
x2 Abyssal Specter (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197008)
x2 Hypnotic Specter (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=190566)
x1 Avatar of Woe (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=270448)
x2 Sadistic Sacrament (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=195632)
x1 Dark Ritual (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221510)
x1 Shirei, Shizo’s Caretaker (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=81987)

Blue/Black:
x1 Mind Funeral (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=179599)
x1 Oona, Queen of the Fae (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=244668)
x1 Circu, Dimir Lobotomist (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=89111)

Artifact:
x4 Whispersilk Cloak (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=271198)
x2 Specter’s Shroud (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=49094)
x1 Fireshrieker (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=48203)
x1 Sword of Body and Mind (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=209280)
x1 Soul Foundry (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=46723)

Lands:
x15 Island (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289315)
x8 Swamp (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289318)
x1 Shizo, Death’s Storehouse (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=79186)
x4 Underground River (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=129778)
x4 Watery Grave (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83731)
x1 Duskmantle, House of Shadow (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=88943)
x1 Jwar Isle Refuge (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=271132)
x1 Dimir Aqueduct (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=271209)
x1 River of Tears (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=126210)

I haven't purchased all of these cards yet as I'm not sure about the build yet so any and all suggestions are more that welcome. Thanks!

Brother Oni
2012-10-09, 07:01 AM
You may want to repost in the main MtG thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248201).

Is this deck intended for multiplayer or for dueling?

Mill decks tend not to work too well multiplayer and you would need to change the composition of your deck significantly to get it to work.

With regards to duelling, a quick eyeball of your deck indicates it has far too many cards at 70 and no removal, thus if I play something, you have no way of getting rid of it.

There are a couple too many 1 of cards that hurt the consistency of your deck (Sword of Body and Mind for example) or appear to be thrown in at random because it 'might be useful' (that single copy of Shadowrift and the Dark Ritual for example). May I suggest being more ruthless and cutting anything that even remotely resembles dead weight and picking up more duplicates of your key cards.

You also have far too many land at 36 - you should go down to 23 or 24 ideally.

Lea Plath
2012-10-10, 03:13 AM
What format is this for? Standard? Legacy? Fun? Modern?

Raven Guild Master isn't actually that good. At best, a 2UU combat trick, at worse he is chump blocked by everything.

Mill is also pretty unviable due to lack of mill cards and the slowness of it.

If you really want to mill, I would suggest using a Brain Freeze Storm combo deck, or Oona combo using Rings of Brightheart and Basalt Monolith.

Or pack a deck with Invisiable Stalkers (hexproof and unblockable), swords of body and mind, glimse the unthinkable and mill utility lands. Hedron Crabs and fetch lands too. Cap the mana at 3 for Mind Funeral and sword. Should be doable.

Sith_Happens
2012-10-10, 04:05 AM
I find your lack of Glimpse the Unthinkable (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83597) disturbing. GtU is UB mill.

Thanatos 51-50
2012-10-11, 11:47 AM
Glimpse the Unthinkable (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83597), Psychic Drain (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=89114), Circu, Dimir Lobtomist (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=89111), and Szadek, Lord of secrets (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247390) are all pretty awesome in U/B mill.

Lord Seth
2012-10-14, 01:28 AM
There is a main MTG topic. However...

Jace's Phantasm seems a good card for mill, as it either gives you a good blocker or an alternate win condition.

However, mill--straight mill, anyway, which is the kind you're proposing--isn't used that much because at its heart it's really just a slower version of Burn.

Combo mill, on the other hand, can be decent. My Legacy deck of choice, High Tide, wins by building up enough mana and storm to kill the opponent with a Brain Freeze and/or Blue Sun's Zenith. Another combo mill deck uses the combination of Painter's Servant and Grindstone to put the opponent's entire library into their graveyard. A new possible combo is Rest In Peace with Helm of Obedience, but it seems a little tenuous right now.

Thanatos 51-50
2012-10-14, 10:44 AM
I just remembered: Lurking Informant (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83834) and Dimir Doppleganger (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83850), both go well with mill-tastic U/B decks.

Basically: if you want U/B Mill cards, Ravnica: City of guilds is the set you're looking for. Practically anything with a dimir watermark.

Oh, and then there's Painful Quandary (http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=212243)

Strormer
2012-10-15, 07:16 PM
First off, sorry about not posting in the main thread. This is the first time I've posted for MtG.

Second, thanks for all the great suggestions. I'll post in the proper thread once I've reworked the deck. ^_^