Nightmare spinner dip

[starship1]

on a gestalt (both sides can advance prestige classes) beguiler/fullcaster//illusionist wizard/master specialist/ultimate magus

worth it?

pros: will save bump, and double extra spell slots

cons: not really many class features


sigh... I wish there were more illusionist prestige class, not shadowX where x is (adept, crafter)

[Darius Kane]

Dual casting classes technically aren't allowed in gestalt.

[starship1]

since when is nightmare spinner a dual class? ultimate magus is ok, says the DM (ME) this is for a new player, who loves the idea of having all the illusions.

[Darius Kane]

It's helpful and considered good manners to state such things beforehand. We can't know all your houserules after all, and we can't read minds.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

this is for a new player, who loves the idea of having all the illusions.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29319163.jpg

Throw on some Shadowcraft Mage and you're good. Check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872354/Shadowcraft_Mage_Handbook) to get some background on that, but keep in mind it's fairly limited by the player's knowledge of what evocations and conjurations he can emulate.

If you're going to use Nightmare Spinner, you may as well include Dread Witch from Heroes of Horror. Get the feat Dreadful Wrath (PGtF) or Frightful Presence (Draconomicon p106) and learn Aura of Terror (SpC) for greater effect. Maybe check out the Fear Handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3809.0) for more information on that, but stacking fear effects can quickly get out of hand. I'd definitely include some Prestige Bard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/prestigiousCharacterClasses.htm#prestigeBard) to get Inspire Awe and Doomspeak if you're doing that.

[nedz]

Throw on some Shadowcraft Mage and you're good. Check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19872354/Shadowcraft_Mage_Handbook) to get some background on that, but keep in mind it's fairly limited by the player's knowledge of what evocations and conjurations he can emulate.



Well here's a starter kit

Eligible Shadow Conjurations
{table=head]1st|2nd|3rd|4th
PH|||
Grease|Fog Cloud|Phantom Steed|
Mount|Glitterdust|Sepia Snake Sigil|
Obscuring Mist|Melf's Acid Arrow|Sleet Storm|
Unseen Servant|Summon Swarm|Stinking Cloud|
|Web|Summon Monster III|
SpC|||
Buzzing Bee|Cloud of Bewilderment|Acid Breath|
Corrosive Grasp|Ice Knife|Contageous fog|
Hail of Stone|Inky Cloud|Corpse Candle|
Orb of <*>, lesser|Malevolent Miasma|Ice Lance|
Wall of Smoke||Nauseating Breath|
||Regal Procession|
||Servant Horde|
||Summon Undead III|
CMage|||
Resinous Tar|Incendiary Slime|Caustic Smoke|
[/table]

Eligible Shadow Evocations
{table=head]1st|2nd|3rd|4th
PH|||
Burning Hands|Continual Flame|Daylight|Fireshield
Magic Missile|Darkness|Fireball|Ice Storm
Shocking Grasp|Flaming Sphere|Leomund's Tiny Hut|Otiluke's Res Sphere
Tensor's Floating Disk|Gust of Wind|Lightning Bolt|Shout
|Scorching Ray|Windwall|Wall of Fire
|Shatter||Wall of Ice
SpC|||
Blood Wind|Battering Ram|Blacklight|Blistering Radience
Guiding Light|Blast of Force|Blade of Fear and Pain|Defenstrating Sphere
Ice Dagger|Burning Sword|Capricious Zephyr|Dragon Breath
Luminous Gaze|Combust|Chain Missile|Energy Spheres
Persistant Blade|Electric Loop|Flashburst|Explosive Cascade
Ray of Flame|Ethereal Chamber|Glowing Orb|Floating Disk, Greater
Sonic Blast|Fireburst|Great Thunderclap|Force Chest
Thunderhead|Flame Dagger|Hailstones|Force Claw
|Force Ladder|Rainbow Blast|Force Missiles
|Frost Breath|Resonating Bolt|Forcewave
|Rainbow Beam|Scintellating Sphere|Stone Sphere
|Ray of Ice|Shatterfloor|Sword of Deception
|Scorch|Sound Lance|Thunderlance
|Slapping Hand|Wall of Light|Vortex of Teeth
|Snowball Swarm||Wingbird
|Veil of Shadows||
CMage|||
Dawnburst|||
Jet of Steam|Luminous Swarm|Ghost Lantern|Incendiary Surge
[/table]