[4e] Adventures in the Planes - OOC

[Hzurr]

Hi all,

This is the new OOC thread for the Adventures in Sigil game

New IC thread is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14211658):


The first part of the game can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141355), The second part of the game is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165206), and the third part is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176365), the fourth part can be found here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192889) the fifth part here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219678) and the sixth (Adventures in Sigil Part III) is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231306)


The Characters:

Mando Knight - Eladrin Swordmage (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=177227) "Aramil Printempest"

DSCrankshaw Half-Elf Bard (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=363129) "Lucan Thoene"

Haberdashery - Goliath Monk Shaman (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=429344) - "The Shepherd"

Nai_Calus -Half-Eladrin Paladin|Warlock (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=467654) - "Eltain Sharma"

dariathalon - Gnome Wizard (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=473617) "Pavick Roslow"

Toric - Drow Rogue (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=320429) - Zyrr'delin Morvyndis

Orsik Vandal - Tiefling Hexblade (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=10863) - Asheroth Durant

[Nai_Calus]

Woo! Party time! Well, not so much IC for Eltain, but.

*tidies up shiny new OOC thread and sets up the new furniture and decorations*

[DSCrankshaw]

Lucan's post is up. This dragon thing is going to be trouble, I think.

[Hzurr]

Lucan's post is up. This dragon thing is going to be trouble, I think.

You know, in a way, Lucan's character arc could be described as a slow descent into insanity. First it's just Lucan, then he starts asking about the Lings, then he develops a second personality with Lena, then a third with Yuri, now a fourth...

I'm worried that Lucan's ED will culminate in a small padded room. :smalltongue:

[DSCrankshaw]

Maybe he'll be like John Crichton of Farscape, and go so crazy that he comes out the other side.

[Toric]

Okay, character's done. Same sheet as before.

[DSCrankshaw]

Speaking of crazy, the last part of my story went up a week ago, at Black Gate (http://www.blackgate.com/2012/11/04/black-gate-online-fiction-a-phoenix-in-darkness-by-donald-s-crankshaw-part-iii/). What does that have to do with crazy? You'll have to read to find out.

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain is depressed, yes. Sad paladin is sad and probably needs a hug.

On less sad fronts, there is finally actual art of Eltain, done by Brian Patterson of d20monkey: http://www.iankunx.net/eltain_sharma1.jpg

[dariathalon]

Cool image. In the pic he's looking pretty down too. Let's see if Pavick can help his mood a little. There's been at least one notable case where it hasn't worked, maybe this time he's found something that will work...

[Hzurr]

Cool image. In the pic he's looking pretty down too. Let's see if Pavick can help his mood a little. There's been at least one notable case where it hasn't worked, maybe this time he's found something that will work...

In my head, Pavick is going to start singing songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeFeRh9qwZA) like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pOgP3f3519I#t=42s) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo) to Eltain.

[Nai_Calus]

Cool image. In the pic he's looking pretty down too. Let's see if Pavick can help his mood a little. There's been at least one notable case where it hasn't worked, maybe this time he's found something that will work...

Well, he hasn't gone off to cry by himself yet so it's working better this time. ;) Of course he's also older and a little more mature. He's also massively depressed, filled with self-loathing and convinced the multiverse would be better off without him at the moment, granted.

[Mando Knight]

I'm working on a post, but it's difficult. I am debating whether or not Aramil should try to talk Mr. Suicidally-depressed out of his line of thought.

[Hzurr]

Heh, now I suspect that everytime I delay, Orsik will introduce a new NPC. :smallwink:

I am in the middle of typing up an IC post, but I keep on erasing it and starting again because I decide I hate what my original idea was. I think I finally know where I want to go, though, so there should be one soon.

[Orsik Vondal]

I just thought that since it's getting toward Christmas time, there should be a Christmas reference. A rotund, bearded magical guy that has access to many magical toys, and gives them out to people. Ash likes meeting new people. And I personally like giving DMs story fodder. :smallbiggrin:

[DSCrankshaw]

Hmm, what do you say to a god? I'm not sure that Lucan has a clue.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash is a pretty good speaker. So will go. He can step in all the poo, so you guys don't have to. :smallwink:

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain's better suited for this one once he pulls himself together. We are talking to his god, after all. :smalltongue:

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain didn't delay, I just haven't been home today to be able to post.

[Hzurr]

Geez...I really struggle writing about gods. I mean...how do you describe a god? Actually, for the rest of epic tier, a good rule will be to take what I describe, multiply it by 20Awesome, and you'll get what I have in my head, because I don't think my narrative capabilities can keep up with what I want to say.

[Orsik Vondal]

Just FYI: one of Ash's languages he picked up was drow sign language. That could lend itself to some interesting solutions.

[Hzurr]

Just FYI: one of Ash's languages he picked up was drow sign language. That could lend itself to some interesting solutions.

Fun Fact: All DSL pronouns involving males are preceded with flipping someone off.

The more you knoooooowwwww!

[Mando Knight]

You realize, of course, that the only way the Archdukes could be any Starscream-ier would be if they could transform into F-16s or throw Asmodeus out of a space train.

[DSCrankshaw]

So . . . on with the quest, then!

But aren't we still missing the means to free Tiandra?

[Hzurr]

So . . . on with the quest, then!

But aren't we still missing the means to free Tiandra?

That does present a problem if you want to try that. However, trying to steal the wand of the Prince of Frost could also be a problem.

Really, you've got two very bad choices. But hey, still a choice =)

[Orsik Vondal]

To free Tiandra we would need some special item, right? And to steal the Prince's wand we would need to break into his palace? Or is it somewhere besides in his immediate vicinity? If it's near him, I says we go for the Prince and kill two birds with one stone.

[Mando Knight]

To free Tiandra we would need some special item, right? And to steal the Prince's wand we would need to break into his palace? Or is it somewhere besides in his immediate vicinity? If it's near him, I says we go for the Prince and kill two birds with one stone.
You probably didn't go back and read the event (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12562971&postcount=443) wherein Tiandra was frozen... the point of the trek into the Chaos was to shut off that power without directly confronting the one using it.

[Orsik Vondal]

So we could use the Prince's wand to free Tiandra or shut off its power source in the EC? Gotcha. EC should be easier.

[dariathalon]

I think I've finally gotten Pavick transferred over to a new sheet for epic levels. Here's what I've got down. You may want to change the link above, Hzurr.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=473617

[Orsik Vondal]

I feel like our characters should have a feast before we set out. Thanking the gods for all they have blessed us with so far in our journey.

[Hzurr]

You can have a feast, but you'll need to find and kill a dire turkey.

History DC 35
Dire turkeys roam the Astral plane destroying anything in their path. They are the purest conduits of the Eldritch horrors of the far realms."

On a side note, sorry about not posting the last couple of days. Holidays and all that silliness. I'll have an update late tonight.

[Orsik Vondal]

History-- [roll0]

edit: Darn. I guess we'll have to get this show on the road sans dire turkey feast. Unless someone would want to remember how to catch and prepare a dire turkey.:smallbiggrin:

[Hzurr]

@dariathalon - checked over Pavick's sheet, looks good. When did Pavick get a magical tatoo? Until I hear otherwise, I'm assuming it's a tramp stamp.

And once again, out of the 4 possible plot directions, someone will suggest going with option e. However, in this case it was the NPCs, so I have no one to blame but myself.

[dariathalon]

He's had it for... several levels now. I don't remember for sure when he got it. It is a small eyeball that blinks when he uses it. The description says it is usually in the center of the forehead (so I suppose that by calling it a tramp stamp, you're saying Pavick is a butthead :smallamused:). I've always envisioned Pavick's tattoo to be in the palm of his hand something like in this picture (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m45o99iTrP1rre8iio1_1280.jpg), only a little more arcane in appearance.

[Mando Knight]

Also, if our characters were female, this (http://store.penny-arcade.com/products/girls-gone-feywild-tee) would totally be our team t-shirt.

[Nai_Calus]

We can still be Fey Gone Wild. Or fall into the usual cheap jokes about elves being female. We still need a half-drow and a full elf to complete our set though.

I'll see if i can post tonight. Been too sick/down to write anything.

[Hzurr]

Hey guys.

This is a tough post to write, but my personal life exploded tonight. It looks like my marriage just ended, so I'm a bit of a wreck right now. Until I get my life sorted out, I wanted to go ahead and let y'all know I'm going to put the game on Hiatus for a bit. Sorry to suddenly do this so soon after we started a new leg of the campaign, but I figured it was better to do this than for me to try and keep things up when I can't even keep my own life in one piece. I'll send out a message to everyone if I feel I'm able to start it back up.

- Jon

[dariathalon]

Wow. :smalleek: So sorry to hear that things are rough for you right now. Take all the time you need to figure things out. I'll be here when you feel like you're ready to start up again. And if there is anything you need in the meantime, even if its just a friendly ear to listen, all you have to do is speak up.

[Nai_Calus]

I already said this on Twitter, but I totally understand. You need to take care of you right now and get things put back together again. I hope you are able to feel up to getting the game going again, but take your time. I'm sad we're on hiatus, but I'm a lot sadder that things have gone so badly for you. :smallfrown:

Take the time you need and get feeling better and sorted. We'll be here when you get back. :smallsmile:

[Toric]

I'd like to chip in and agree with the others. You're making the right call here, real life takes priority over roleplaying. I'll be ready to join back in if you start this again, but I can wait until then. Good luck to you, sir.

[Hzurr]

Hey all,

Just wanted to give everyone a quick update. I'm doing good, I'm fully functional again, and life is going better now. My thought is that since we're just about to enter the midst of the holidays when people's ability to post is already pretty significantly demolished, I'll go ahead and put off starting the game again until after New Years, and we can come out swinging in 2013.

- Jon

[dariathalon]

Sounds like a good plan to me. I'm glad you're getting life sorted out again. :smallsmile:

[Nai_Calus]

This seems reasonable. I may in the interim turn into three year old Ian, climb on your lap and demand a story, though.

[Hzurr]

Yaar! A new year and time to get back to saving the world!

Before I start into updating the IC thread, could I get a roll call (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1rIiGk41Zw) and make sure everyone is still around?

[Mando Knight]

Alive, but the next few days I'll be busy, and then after that I might be moving, then after that I might be where the internet is lousy. Which isn't so much a hindrance to a forum, come to think of it.

[dariathalon]

Let's see if I can get back into the swing of things with a bit of IC in the OOC thread.

Pavick stands up on a chair and jumps up and down waving his hand in the air wildly. "I'm here! I'm here! Oh! Oh! I'm here!" Slick pokes his head out of Pavick's sleeve looking a little sea-sick from the rapid waving motion.

[Toric]

Zyrr steps out of a shadowed corner. "Sorry I'm late. I'd have taken the 'Jammer but I seem to have misplaced it."

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain snows indignantly as he looks about for the stragglers.

"Come now, things were just getting interesting when this happened. Earth humans have such an unreasonably long holiday season."

[Hzurr]

Hey, 4/7 people isn't a bad response. I'll shoot a message to DSC, Hab, and Orsik to make sure they didn't spontaneously combust over the break.

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain nods at the DM, heedless of the fourth wall he's breaking.

" Ah, I suppose not. Do forgive my impatience. I'm just eager to get back to work. I am glad you're feeling better, though, and that Corellon's grace has allowed you to find the beauty in life again."

*thwaps Eltain* Hey! No breaking the fourth wall to talk to the DM!

[Hzurr]

Hey all, quick update. Still waiting to hear from DSCrankshaw and Orsik. Hab unfortunately has had some personal stuff come up, so he won't be able to jump back in right now, but I'll leave Shep around just in case that ever changes.

[Orsik Vondal]

Asheroth walks in the door completely drenched.

*splortch* *splortch* *slam!*

"Hey, guys. Apparently, walking around in sub-freezing temperatures while a blizzard is going on and being a master of fire magic is a great way to ruin a new stylish suit!" He whips his arms at his side trying to shed the veritable ocean from his clothes. *ssssschlick*

"Whatever..."

*splortch* *splortch* *splortch* *splortch* *splortch* *splortch*

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain looks guilty.

"Whoops. Sorry."

[DSCrankshaw]

The forum apparently lost my e-mail, since it hasn't sent me notifications about anything. But I'm alive and looking forward to RPing Lucan's Traveling Menagerie (now with more dragons).

[Hzurr]

Cool cool. We are back in business. I'm jumping around between 5 different things at the moment, but tonight I'll update the IC thread with a quick recap post, and get things rolling again.

[Nai_Calus]

Woo, badass (http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=74350). :D Excited.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash is going to zoom around the library looking for any books, scrolls, parchments, scraps of paper, etc. that have anything to do with the betrayal of Asmodeus, the curse levied by He Who Was, the fall and subsequent transformation of the angels and possibly the angelic names of some of the other Lords of Hell. (We already know Baalzebul was Triel.)

[Hzurr]

Hey, sorry for the huge delay. I was waiting to see if Zyrr/Aramil wanted to do anything, then I just got distracted and forgot. I'll update today.

[Mando Knight]

Hey, sorry for the huge delay. I was waiting to see if Zyrr/Aramil wanted to do anything, then I just got distracted and forgot. I'll update today.

I had internet problems up until... 15 minutes ago?

[Hzurr]

I had internet problems up until... 15 minutes ago?

Do you want me to hold off for a bit til you get a chance to post?

[Hzurr]

Deep tactical discussion about the best way to climb trees. I approve completely.

[DSCrankshaw]

I think that this is the point where Lucan gets bored. Lucan's certainly willing to climb trees, or not, but it seems an odd thing to spend so much time talking about.

[Hzurr]

I think that this is the point where Lucan gets bored. Lucan's certainly willing to climb trees, or not, but it seems an odd thing to spend so much time talking about.

Yep, a very odd discussion. How much are y'all wanting to try & strategize beforehand, and how much do you want to just get stuff moving?

[Nai_Calus]

Honestly I don't think we have enough in-game time to find out enough information where we are to actually form a viable plan. Eltain's not exactly in a hurry, granted, but.

[Orsik Vondal]

I think that this is the point where Lucan gets bored. Lucan's certainly willing to climb trees, or not, but it seems an odd thing to spend so much time talking about.

Ash is also of the same mind after his two cents. There are only so many ways you can skin a cat. And there are only so many ways to climb a tree. I say we take a page from Nike's playbook and just do it!

[dariathalon]

Pavick is also okay with moving on. He's mostly a fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants sort of person anyway. And it's not like whatever decision we reach in our planning stages will even remotely resemble how things will really work out. We've seen that often enough.

[Nai_Calus]

The plan is that frak it, we don't have enough information and it never works anyway, let's not even bother and just go with the flow.

[Hzurr]

Sounds like a plan. I'll hit the nitro button & get things moving.

[Hzurr]

Sorry everyone, apparently the proper term is "A doubting of cyclops (http://wondermark.com/566/)" not "cyclopes" like the dictionary says.

-edit- fixed link

[Orsik Vondal]

Perception: [roll0]

[Hzurr]

There you go. 2 ways up, a fomorian siege engine or giant mechanical spiders. I fully expect y'all to come up with a 3rd way I'd never considered.

[Nai_Calus]

Seduce one of the drow priestesses, and then quite literally sleep my way to the top. :smallbiggrin::smalltongue:

Heh. I think sex/love comes up far less often than violence in RPGs because while we're all quite comfortable making pretend death threats to one another, most people feel really awkward pretend expressing undying love/hitting on someone/proposing marriage. (Most people, anyway. I've cheerfully proposed marriage to an NPC IC during a convention game with a bunch of other groups in the room and not cared. Even got down on one knee. Don't judge me, it saved the world.) Kind of says something about society, but I suppose this isn't really the venue for discussions of that, heh.

Also, I fail vector graphics forever. *points to avatar* That took me like three hours to get right, most of it trying to figure out how the hell to make things work. :smallsigh:

[Hzurr]

Sleeping your way to the top might take more time than you have, unfortunately...

Romance/Love is more difficult to do in RPGs, for a number of reasons. In my opinion, it's because it's primarily a group game where as romance/love is more an individual thing, so it's difficult to do in a group setting. Also, it's personal enough to most people that it's much easier to offend/upset someone (few people will have strong emotional ties to chopping off a mindflayer head, but many people might have emotional ties to going out on a date or a first kiss or whatever).

Also, 4e d&d doesn't really have good rules for that, although now my mind is inventing a whole new rule system...

GM:"So, it's a fourth date, and your girlfriend has received a text from her ex-boyfriend, what do you do?"
PC: "I use my 'funny work story' spell!
GM: "Ok, roll it, but she doesn't find your job interesting so you take a -2 penalty to the roll."
PC: *rolls* "Ah crap, nat 1"
GM: "Ooh, tough break. Your work story involves a dog and it reminds her of her dog that died two months ago. She's crying now."
PC: "Crap. Um...I'll use my "comforting technique" attack. I spent a feat on it, so I've got a +8" *roll* "Is a 23 enough?"
GM: "Yep, that will do it. She's no longer crying and thinks you're sympathetic. Ok, the waiter has arrived. You decided to go to a fancy restaurant, but you can't read any of the menu. Make me a luck roll to order..."


And I have no idea what anyone's avatar looks like, I turned that setting off a while ago, so I'm just going to nod and smile like I understand what you're referring to.

[Mando Knight]

Shoot, now I can't befuddle Hzurr by changing my avatar every other day! My plan is ruined! Sorry guys, I don't know how we can get in without Hzurr being confused... :smalltongue:

[Hzurr]

Shoot, now I can't befuddle Hzurr by changing my avatar every other day! My plan is ruined! Sorry guys, I don't know how we can get in without Hzurr being confused... :smalltongue:

Ha, that's actually why I turned off avatars, because I was lazy & started recognizing who was posting by the avatar, not the name, and would get thrown when someone changed their avatar.

"WHO THE $^#$% IS THIS THAT'S POSTING FOR ARAMIL?!!? Oh...it's Mando Knight. Er...yes, everything is fine here."

[Nai_Calus]

Sleeping your way to the top might take more time than you have, unfortunately...

Romance/Love is more difficult to do in RPGs, for a number of reasons. In my opinion, it's because it's primarily a group game where as romance/love is more an individual thing, so it's difficult to do in a group setting. Also, it's personal enough to most people that it's much easier to offend/upset someone (few people will have strong emotional ties to chopping off a mindflayer head, but many people might have emotional ties to going out on a date or a first kiss or whatever).

Also, 4e d&d doesn't really have good rules for that

And I have no idea what anyone's avatar looks like, I turned that setting off a while ago, so I'm just going to nod and smile like I understand what you're referring to.

Eltain's fast. :smallbiggrin:

Yar. You also run into morals dissonance issues. Eltain, for example, swings both ways, which some people might find offensive. And yeah, it's more a private thing. I guess it just amuses me that no one has much of a personal/love life in RPGs. It's better handled as a background thing, mostly. Touch on it, but don't spend hours RPing out things in detail. ;)


Shoot, now I can't befuddle Hzurr by changing my avatar every other day! My plan is ruined! Sorry guys, I don't know how we can get in without Hzurr being confused... :smalltongue:

The solution is to just post the image file in the thread every time you change your avatar. Preferably without comment so he has no idea why you just posted a random stick figure in the thread. Granted I only remember this one and the one before its filenames and not the one I used for years.

Current: http://www.iankunx.net/eltavsmall.png

Previous: http://www.iankunx.net/frankpony.png

I'll just confuse him by threatening to write EltainxZyrr slashfic*.


* I have absolutely no intention of actually writing this. Although if I did it would be so bad it might wrap around from disturbing to unintentionally hilarious.

Edit: Oh, so we just need to find a way to change our user names then. :smallbiggrin:

[Hzurr]

I'll just confuse him by threatening to write EltainxZyrr slashfic*.


You see the following figure darken the horizon:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101207231753/non-aliencreatures/images/c/c2/Tarrasque.gif

[Mando Knight]

Edit: Oh, so we just need to find a way to change our user names then. :smallbiggrin:

The mods can do it, but not for the simple reason of messing around with a DM's head. Except if the mods are doing it for their own usernames and titles, which they seem to do whenever they please.

[Hzurr]

The mods can do it, but not for the simple reason of messing around with a DM's head. Except if the mods are doing it for their own usernames and titles, which they seem to do whenever they please.

Hmm...I'm actually friends with one of the mods in real life. I'll look into this.

[Nai_Calus]

You see the following figure darken the horizon:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101207231753/non-aliencreatures/images/c/c2/Tarrasque.gif

*seduces the tarrasque*


The mods can do it, but not for the simple reason of messing around with a DM's head. Except if the mods are doing it for their own usernames and titles, which they seem to do whenever they please.

Clearly we need to riot. I actually did have my username changed on a forum once that I'd been posting on for years. People were very confused.

[Hzurr]

Quick note: I've never seen Wild Wild West. There are giant robot spiders simply because I think that the idea of 80' long spider constructs climbing giant magic trees to attack a fey city is awesome.

Fair warning: Most of the things y'all see in epic tier is going to be completely ridiculous, primarily because it will be made of things I consider to be over-the-top awesome. What you're seeing now is actually pretty low-key.

[Mando Knight]

Quick note: I've never seen Wild Wild West. There are giant robot spiders simply because I think that the idea of 80' long spider constructs climbing giant magic trees to attack a fey city is awesome.
I had forgotten about that movie. Robo-spiders fit the Drow better than they do a mediocre-at-best steampunk Will Smith movie anyway.
What you're seeing now is actually pretty low-key.
http://www.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-avengers-loki.jpg

[Hzurr]

http://www.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-avengers-loki.jpg

Yes, but Eladrin, so more like this:
http://funkyfactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/002577_funkyfactor-chose-your-color-thoreal.jpg

[Nai_Calus]

Although thanks to someone I know I keep picturing 4e Corellon as less shampoo ad and more John Barrowman dressed as David Bowie in Labyrinth.

Though there's at least one official illustration of Corellon where he's rocking some serious 80s hair band hair.

Also, can I get some clarification on distances? I'm not entirely certain where things are in relation to us.

[Hzurr]

You're probably half-a-mile from both the base of the trees and from the siege engines. Both spiders and towers are moving fairly slow, so you'd guess you've got time to reach the spiders before they climb out of reach or the siege engine before it gets to the trees.

[Nai_Calus]

I thought you said we were several miles out? I'm confused.

[Hzurr]

I thought you said we were several miles out? I'm confused.

It's the feywild. Distances are a bit tricky here. Now you're about half-a-mile out. :smallwink:

-edit- If it makes a difference, we can change it back to a few miles out. Regardless, you've got time to get to either, but not enough to lolligag and play a few games of cards.

[Nai_Calus]

Ah, tricksy DM. The half mile strains belief a bit less. Otherwise it could take a few hours to get there. ;) Slowest party member is 2.5 miles covered per hour.

[Hzurr]

You're epic level PCs. If you want to sprint 10 miles, just do it. You all have broken the boundries of what pesky mortals should be able to do. Little things like "overland movement speed" are things that you laugh at.

[DSCrankshaw]

Plus, you know, magic. If Lucan needs to speed things up, he can.

[Nai_Calus]

You're epic level PCs. If you want to sprint 10 miles, just do it. You all have broken the boundries of what pesky mortals should be able to do. Little things like "overland movement speed" are things that you laugh at.

But... But... Realism! :smalleek:

...Says the guy playing a teleporting half-eladrin with godlasers and magic who hits people with the power of how awesome he and his god are, rides a flying mule, and tends to snow when he's upset. :smallwink:


Plus, you know, magic. If Lucan needs to speed things up, he can.

I get the distinct impression we don't really have ten minutes to waste doing a ritual.

[Hzurr]

I get the distinct impression we don't really have ten minutes to waste doing a ritual.

You don't have 10 minutes to sit around doing nothing, but spending 10 minutes to double your speed isn't a terrible idea if everyone wants to be able to strategize a bit more while Lucan casts the ritual.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash would love to double his speed, but he thinks that if we spend ten minutes "waiting", the spiders will be higher up. And everybody will be looking that way. The faster we get there, the more time we will have to find a hiding place on/in the constructs.

[Nai_Calus]

Traveler's Chant doesn't actually double overland travel; it makes the group's speed increase by 2 past the slowest party member. So in our case our normal exploration speed would be 2.5mph because Pavick's speed is 5; with it in effect it would be 3.5mph, which is what would be base for a party composed entirely of lightly armored elves. *utterly useless rules knowledge*

*I'll try to get an IC post up for Eltain. I've been creatively dead this week. :/

[DSCrankshaw]

Is there any reason Lucan can't perform Traveler's Chant while we walk? It's a bard song, and those aren't really the same as other rituals. Otherwise, who would stand still while you cast Lullabye on them? It can't look like you're casting a ritual.

[Mando Knight]

Traveler's Chant doesn't actually double overland travel; it makes the group's speed increase by 2 past the slowest party member. So in our case our normal exploration speed would be 2.5mph because Pavick's speed is 5; with it in effect it would be 3.5mph, which is what would be base for a party composed entirely of lightly armored elves. *utterly useless rules knowledge*

Pavick has Slick, if he still has that familiar-becomes-a-mount ritual, and last I checked, even if he didn't, Aramil has enough strength to give Pavick a piggy-back ride without slowing him down.

[Hzurr]

Is there any reason Lucan can't perform Traveler's Chant while we walk? It's a bard song, and those aren't really the same as other rituals. Otherwise, who would stand still while you cast Lullabye on them? It can't look like you're casting a ritual.

Yeah, that's no problem.


Pavick has Slick, if he still has that familiar-becomes-a-mount ritual, and last I checked, even if he didn't, Aramil has enough strength to give Pavick a piggy-back ride without slowing him down.

The biggest question isn't can you all get there as it is how quickly/unnoticed you can get there.

If you do a dead sprint through the entire drow army you can easily make it, but would have the army after you. If you really took your time and moved slowly you could make your way to the trees unnoticed, but by that point it'd be too late to get to the spiders

So the trick is, how quickly can you move while not drawing attention. I'll wait til the end of the day or so in case Pavick or Zyrr or someone has some power or ritual that will make things a bit easier for you.

Basically, what's going to happen is that I'll set a stealth DC that will be raised/lowered by anything y'all are doing now (so Lucan's ritual lowers it some), and the more people who fail the DC, the more attention you'll draw. If some people roll exceptionally well, I'll decrease that attention. So it's basically a group skill check where you'll hopefully be balancing things out among the successes & failures, but there are things you can be doing now to bump that DC down.

[dariathalon]

That was the Seeming ritual from Eberron Player's Guide. The DC to break the deception is [roll0] or higher if other arcanely inclined members of the party decide to assist.

[DSCrankshaw]

I'd have Lucan help (his Arcana's gotten better), but I don't think I can do that and Traveler's Chant at the same time.

[Nai_Calus]

I can't actually fail the roll to assist since the DC is lower than my modifier, so Eltain will assist.

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain is using the property of his armor to make it look like suitable drow clothing, which kills my AC to an extent but loses the armor penalty since I am not stealthy at all.

[roll0]

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash has a 50-50 chance at making it...

[roll0]

...Whew!

[Mando Knight]

Ash has a 50-50 chance at making it...

...Whew!
Actually, it was 60%. (9-20 is 12/20 possibilities)
Aramil has a 70% shot... [roll0]

[DSCrankshaw]

Lucan also has Imposter's armor, so he'll also change them to normal drow clothes before trying to be stealthy.

[roll0]

[dariathalon]

Let's see if I can roll a 19...

[roll0]

Yes I can! (Not that there was any real doubt.)

[Nai_Calus]

Wait, how is the *Paladin* sneakier than the Warlock? (My Paragon Path and it's odd tertiary score requirement, actually, but.)

[Hzurr]

Woops! Somehow I thought we were still waiting on dariathalon. Turns out, we were waiting for my reading comprehension to stop sucking.

In spite of some very bad rolls, looks like everyone hit the DC (hooray for easy DCs!). IC update this afternoon.

(Also, if you haven't noticed by now, as a general rule, add 6 hours to whenever I promise an IC update. Whenever I intend to post during the afternoon, it gets delayed to the evening. Late in the evening gets delayed to the next morning, etc.)

[Nai_Calus]

Technically we're waiting on Toric, but Zyrr isn't actually capable of failing the roll so there's little point in waiting for him to actually roll it.

[Toric]

Pretty much. It's nice to succeed on a natural 2.

[Hzurr]

Ok, there are three primary ways of riding these things to the top. 1) You could try and get inside via the doors (guarded the heaviest), 2) climb up the exhaust vents (probably not guarded, but fairly hazardous to your physical health) 3) Hold onto the outside plates (you may not have to fight your way inside, but you'll be exposed

Also, does everyone want to go up the same spider, or do you want to split up and send half to each spider?

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash would rather stay together. Just in case one of the spiders goes down, we can all plummet to the same fate. Ha ha...

If we stick together, we have a greater chance of commandeering the construct and/or alerting the "hail of arrows" to focus on the other spider and bring it down.

I do not suggest we use the exhaust vents. Either of the other two options seem good in their own right. If we fight inside, we can try to take control. If we hang on the outside, we can try to signal the defenders above to concentrate on the other spider. Then after we disembark, we can help them destroy the second spider.

In the end, Ash wants to stick together and commandeer one of the spiders! Turn their tools of destruction against them!

[dariathalon]

Pavick's vote would be much the same as Ash's, go in and take over one of the spiders. He knows he's not the shining example of physical fitness needed to make easy work of the exhaust vents. Hanging outside seems foolhardy. The chance of being spotted is high and if we are spotted, it seems like it would be easy to knock us off. Inside is the best route.

As for splitting the party... BAD idea. Let's avoid it (even if we haven't always followed this important advice). This seems like an especially bad time to try it.

[DSCrankshaw]

I agree. We go in, kick drow butt, take over a giant mechanical spider, and use it to defeat the other giant mechanical spider.

[Hzurr]

This may be the most decisive the party has ever been. I love it.


Now to try and create a map of the internal schematics of a giant spider construct.

[dariathalon]

Well of course, this is the option that gives us the opportunity to have giant mecha-spider battles. :smallcool:

Seriously, we should probably avoid fighting the other spider, but it would have some serious style points.

[DSCrankshaw]

And that's the first natural 1 of epic level, I believe.

[Nai_Calus]

Well there goes any chance we had of stealth and trying to get a better position... ;p ...Not that this party had any hope of that anyway.

[dariathalon]

Not necessarily. Lucan was just readying an attack, waiting until he saw an enemy to fire. Since there are no enemies immediately around, the rest of us can still do some sneaking.

Pavick isn't sneaking yet because the best position for him is with as many of you between him and the enemy as possible. I think this is a good opportunity for Zyrr especially to go around offing a few of them before they even know what's happening.

[Nai_Calus]

Heh, I know. More of a joke than anything, really. Generally our attempts at stealth/negotiation/not stabbing things in the face until they go away end up with us stabbing things in the face until they go away. :smallwink:

Also, depending on what timezone you're in, either very late yesterday or very early today is the threshold for the three year anniversary of the game. :smallsmile: Jeez, it seems like forever ago.

Either way, we're there, so happy anniversary! *throws a party*

[Orsik Vondal]

Apparently, this spider is not like the U.S.S. Enterprise. Crew members are not randomly walking to and from places inside the ship for no apparent reason. Drow. Go figure.

[DSCrankshaw]

Who are we waiting on? Are they still snowed in? We're still recovering from the snowstorm here in Boston.

[Nai_Calus]

As you, me and Orsik have posted actions, that leaves the entire other half of the party who hasn't acted yet. :smallwink:

So Pavick, Zyrr and Aramil haven't done anything yet.

[Hzurr]

Technically, we aren't even in combat yet. I posted the map so everyone could get a reference as to where they were/what's going on.

And no one has taken a single step. :smalltongue:

[Nai_Calus]

I'm waiting for the stealthy members to stealth. I can make Religion/History checks if you like.

[Toric]

And no one has taken a single step. :smalltongue:

Can you blame us? This thing's layout is eerily reminiscent of a spaceship from the PC game X-Com. Rule 1 of infiltrating an intact vessel: the first man to enter the ship has a life expectancy of two seconds.

[Nai_Calus]

Et tu, dice roller? *sigh*

Never bring the Paladin as backup. Well, when Eltain comes in after Zyrr to aid he's just going to have to rush in and charge-stab.

New rule: Since anything Eltain attempts he utterly screws up, he's not allowed to do anything anymore. :/

I apologize for completely frakking everything up. :smallfrown:

[DSCrankshaw]

Can you blame us? This thing's layout is eerily reminiscent of a spaceship from the PC game X-Com. Rule 1 of infiltrating an intact vessel: the first man to enter the ship has a life expectancy of two seconds.

Which is why I put Lucan on over watch.

[Orsik Vondal]

I very much wish Ash could summon something bigger than a medium creature. I would love to see a pit fiend shadow rampaging inside this demon construct! :smallamused:

[Hzurr]

Can you blame us? This thing's layout is eerily reminiscent of a spaceship from the PC game X-Com. Rule 1 of infiltrating an intact vessel: the first man to enter the ship has a life expectancy of two seconds.


Which is why I put Lucan on over watch.

*scratches out Drow, adds in chryssalids*

[Nai_Calus]

*sigh* Yep, even worse than I figured. I take it that's a 'No, screw you' on the attempt to bluff actually belonging here? :smallfrown: (And not that I want to screw myself over more than I already have, but Eltain hasn't actually changed his armor back to armor yet and still has it as drow clothing.)

Note to self: Never try anything with Eltain, it will not work. The dice roller hates me too much. :smallsigh:

[Hzurr]

There were a few reasons that it didn't work:

1 - New drow suddenly appearing on a construct that wasn't there when it was initially loaded
2 - You were out of range of Pavick's circle of disguise, so you were a half-eladrin wearing drow armor
3 - There was a chance you may have been questioned & could have bluffed your way out of things, but as soon as the other drow started crossing over they were instantly murdered
4 - When they noticed you, Zyrr was very visibly sneaking up to murder them all

[Orsik Vondal]

Does the drow at the leg contraption seem preoccupied with "working" the spider's leg? Or is he merely observing its action? Need to know if Ash should kill him or leave him for now. :smallbiggrin:

Ash's passive insight is 34. I can roll it if you need me to.

Insight - [roll0]

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain is actually still within 5 of Pavick. :smallconfused:

And true, an arrow to the face and someone trying to murder you always puts a damper on negotiations. (Although among the drow that's more like 'Thursday' and 'Damn these young ambitious upstarts'. ;) )

Admit it, you just want to kill us all. :smalltongue: (OK, so I'm mostly just trying to think of how to un-screw the party because this is going to be insanely ugly knowing your encounter style.)

[Hzurr]

Does the drow at the leg contraption seem preoccupied with "working" the spider's leg? Or is he merely observing its action? Need to know if Ash should kill him or leave him for now.

Ash's passive insight is 34. I can roll it if you need me to.

He's partially pre-occupied with working the leg. It'll take some of his attention, but not so much that he'll completely ignore you.

Game terms: He has to spend a minor action every round keeping the leg functioning


Eltain is actually still within 5 of Pavick. :smallconfused:

...oops, I thought it was 10 feet.



Admit it, you just want to kill us all. :smalltongue: (OK, so I'm mostly just trying to think of how to un-screw the party because this is going to be insanely ugly knowing your encounter style.)

Y'all have proven yourselves more than capable of surviving my encounters. Besides, you're epic level. I have no sympathy for anything you get yourselves into.

[Orsik Vondal]

(OK, so I'm mostly just trying to think of how to un-screw the party because this is going to be insanely ugly knowing your encounter style.)

We aren't screwed. It is just a slightly tougher fight, because we couldn't kill more drow before the alarm was sounded. Whip out your Schwarz and lay into 'em! :smallwink:

[Nai_Calus]

So, do we want to try stay within 5 of Pavick to try to keep the Seeming ritual up and try to pass off as a bunch of upstart drow, or just say hell with it and go for it as ourselves? Right now we're actually all still within range, and it's a duration of 4 hours so it could potentially last long enough.

I ask because it makes quite a difference for my turn; if I'm staying in range I can't curse this turn, if I'm not I can curse and charge.


Self-usage due to oncoming extended lack of ability to view sheet:
Eldritch Strike: +28 vs AC, on hit 1d8+18, +2d6 if charging, +3d6 if cursed, +7 if cold attack via frost longsword
Protective Hex - Cursed enemy hit with attack takes -2 to melee and close attacks against allies until the end of your next turn

[dariathalon]

I don't know what we want to do. That's part of the reason I wanted to wait to act until others did. I really doubt it matters at this point. We've pretty much already outed ourselves, and anything else we had considered would only make it even more obvious. If it becomes important later, and if we can find a quiet 10 minutes (that part is the big IF), Pavick can set it up again.

[Mando Knight]

My question is whether those mooks are sufficiently mook-ish enough to be minions, or if we're dealing with the Drow Super-Elite Corps of Spider-Machine Crewmen.

[Hzurr]

These guys are the super elite drow troops, but y'all are epic level awesome, so now they're moons. However, its safe to assume they've probably got some exceptionally powerful wizards controlling this thing, and priestesses commanding it.

[Orsik Vondal]

I'm only concerned with whether WE will be able to control this thing if we dispatch all the drow crewmen and potential wizards. Also, as soon as we kill the drivers, we will probably have a Death Star Detention Block scene...

"...Oh, uh, we just had a slight weapons malfunction here. Everything's fine. We're all fine here...How are you?" :smallbiggrin:

[Nai_Calus]

I can see it now. Asheroth melts Tiandra, who asks if Pavick isn't a bit short for a stormtrooper, then complains about our half-assed rescue.

[Orsik Vondal]

So does this mean Tiandra is going to blast a hole in the garbage chute and command us all to jump in? Asheroth has dibs on calling someone a "furry oaf"!

If we concentrate on one side of the spider at a time, we will probably get in each other's way, be very slow and a signal might be sent to the outside before we are aware. It probably already has. Move quickly and fast. The noise of the machine is to our advantage.

[Hzurr]

I try to avoid mid-round update posts, but I thought that since this map is very reveal-as-you-go-ish, it was appropriate.

[Mando Knight]

So does this mean Tiandra is going to blast a hole in the garbage chute and command us all to jump in? Asheroth has dibs on calling someone a "furry oaf"!

"I'd rather kiss a Tiefling!"
"I can arrange that... he could use a good kiss!"

[Orsik Vondal]

Well, the tiefling's out of the handy haversack! :smallamused:

[Hzurr]

Hmm...so is this a "Hey, we'd rather not get into a fight right now" delay or a "It was a holiday weekend so we were all busy/hungover" delay?

[Nai_Calus]

Yes. :smalltongue:

Well, ok, I have a valid reason for not posting IC, which I've already been over with you and Josh, but I've been both busy and not wanting to get into a fight right now.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash is rarin' to go!

Perhaps people are thinking of more Star Wars quotes. Like this:

The clang of door on armor is audible in the other room at the entryway. A drow pokes his head out and takes an arrow to the face just after an arrow whizzes by down the hall alerting the drow there.

"That drow sure is leaving in a big hurry. If he identifies us, we're in big trouble."

"Not if I can help it. Pav, charm him!"

"It'd be as well to let it go. It's too far out of range."

"Not for long..." And Ash charges the next drow.

[dariathalon]

I'm both busy with work right now (and probably will be through the end of next week or so, but I'll try to keep up) and waiting on others. As the last one in the initiative order and the controller (where positions of people matters a lot) I like to wait until at least a few others have posted actions. So far this round I think only Ash has acted, so Pavick can't really go throwing around a big area of effect without knowing if anyone will be standing there when he gets to act.

[DSCrankshaw]

Are we in a new round now? I thought Lucan's action happened in this round.

[Hzurr]

Yeah, that last round was a combination of a surprise round/the drow acting but not attacking yet, but everyone is good to act again.

Part of me wants to say "oh, there's no way you can talk your way out of this" but I've been playing long enough to know that y'all are still full of surprises, and someone might come up with something to say or have an awesome dice roll that you'll avoid the entire fight.

[DSCrankshaw]

I'm all for just going into combat and killing these guys, partly since it's not at all clear what we're supposed to do otherwise. But I suppose we could try to talk them into surrendering.

[DSCrankshaw]

[roll0]

A critical I'd rather not have to use. It would have been more useful if I rolled a 20 for my speech.

[DSCrankshaw]

Someone remind me what the rules for "Envoy to the Fey" are. And whether it applies to drow.

[Toric]

Well, as for an idea to get us out of the fight completely.... I got nuthin'. And believe me I've been mulling it over the entire time.

As for going into the fight, we can cow some by using some deception. The halls are narrow, and Zyrr can block the view with... I'm thinking a cloud of darkness from R8. Which blocks the view three ways and makes a somewhat impressive entrance. Zyrr then shouts in drow that they're under attack, twenty drow and infernals just appeared on board. And hopefully the room layout will be too sight-restricting for anyone to call his bluff.

Any thoughts? Awesome, let's do it? Heck no, it'll be distastrous? Eh, we don't have any better ideas?

[dariathalon]

I'm pretty seriously considering putting up an illusionary wall somewhere around here. I'm thinking the best place for it will probably be most useful down near the other end of the spider. Maybe blocking off M24 and N24, for example. The wall is 8 long, so there doesn't appear to be anywhere else on the map that I could completely block off. Though there are a few places where I could probably seriously inconvenience some people. The biggest problem with that is, it requires Pavick to get in there with line of sight which he doesn't want to do without having a least one or two meatshields in front of him. (Even still without expending some big resources he couldn't get there this action.)

Unless someone really gets their rear in gear in front of him, Pavick will probably just move over to O5 or so and let loose an at-will beguiling strands to at least pop a few minions. I figure we still have Eltain, Aramil and Zyrr to act all of whom tend to mix it up in melee so my plans may still change once I see what they do.

[DSCrankshaw]

I just checked. Drow are fey, and envoy to the fey grants a re-roll, so let's try that.

[roll0]

EDIT: Better, though considering how audacious the revolutionary propaganda is, it's probably not enough.

So I've done the craziest thing that I can think of. It's somebody else's turn now.

[Nai_Calus]

You stole my crazy, Crankshaw.

Not that I've been much up to posting crazy anyway. We're probably going to have to regardless, but I'm not gung-ho on fighting right now. Well, not gung-ho on anything right now, really. Personal life is... Really bad right now. Gonna be bad for a while. Currently still trying to pull myself out of a really bad episode of depression, and last Saturday I became homeless so I've been worrying mostly about that.

But yeah, Eltain would rather convert them than kill them, heh. Silly Eltain.

[Hzurr]

Anyone feel like adding on to Lucan's crazy speech?

[Nai_Calus]

I do, but give me a bit to think of what to say.

Really, forum roller? Really? Another 2? Seriously? Damn it, I am completely useless. No, worse than useless, since every time I try to help with something I just screw it up and ruin whatever chances we had. I give up. Eltain's just going to spend the rest of the campaign sitting in a corner. >_<

[DSCrankshaw]

Since both History and Religion are Int based, they aren't my forte. But let's see:

[roll0]

[Nai_Calus]

You'll have to apply my modifier, I can't find out what it is. History should be higher.

[roll0]

Oh my gods, really? Bloody hells.

[Hzurr]

Ouch. Let's hope Zyrr makes it.

[Nai_Calus]

What are my modifiers on those anyway.

[Hzurr]

What are my modifiers on those anyway.

Religion +19, History +16.

Moderate DC is a 26...

[Mando Knight]

Really? Can Aramil lean over and say something? Unless you have skills fail on a 1, Aramil can't fail the History check.

[Hzurr]

Really? Can Aramil lean over and say something? Unless you have skills fail on a 1, Aramil can't fail the History check.

Because the check in question is something very drow specific, it's going to be a tougher DC for Aramil, which is why I didn't mention Aramil making the check initially. It's the kind of thing that Zyrr and Eltain would probably know, and Lucan because of...well, Bardiness.

But yeah, Aramil can give it a shot.

[Mando Knight]

Well, let's see if I mess this up.
[roll0]
Of course this would be the time to roll a 1.

[Hzurr]

It truly amazes me how much the forum roller hates y'all.

Seriously, it's so bad it's almost beautiful.

[Mando Knight]

It truly amazes me how much the forum roller hates y'all.

Seriously, it's so bad it's almost beautiful.

I think the Forum Roller wants to be the next Power Glove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZErvASwdlU).

[Nai_Calus]

Wait, those can't be right. Those are my level 17 modifiers, I remember those. You're looking at www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=467654 ?

[Hzurr]

Wait, those can't be right. Those are my level 17 modifiers, I remember those. You're looking at www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=467654 ?

Ah, you are correct. I'll post what you notice in the IC thread momentarily.

[Toric]

Even though it's too late,

[roll0] just for lulz.

[Hzurr]

Even though it's too late,

[roll0] just for lulz.


Nice. Zyrr knows what Eltain does about the hand signal.

[DSCrankshaw]

Someone needs to give the secret handsign so we can get this civil war going.

[Toric]

Posting a roll here because I forgot the "d" in my Sneak Attack's [roll0].

[Orsik Vondal]

I hope everybody realizes that Ash no longer looks like a drow. I say we go with the "...and we brought some help." line. :smallwink:

[DSCrankshaw]

Let's see how well Lucan bluffs.

[roll0]

And again, for Envoy to the Fey,

[roll1]

EDIT: Well, that was redundant. IC post coming soon.

[Hzurr]

I'd forgotten how much I love the absolutely crazy stuff y'all come up with. I'm about to hop on a plane, so I'll be losing internet access momentarily and cn't update IC, but Lucan's most recent lie will have some fun effects. I'm super excited.

[Nai_Calus]

I've been throwing ideas through my brain and discarding them for a few days on how we can possibly do this without crossing several moral horizons and making Eltain hate himself forever, but I don't have a lot of good ideas and they all involve stuff only Pavick can try to do and I know Pavick isn't really good anyway.

I'm wondering if we can somehow, after overwhelming the priestesses, hijack the magic sustaining the portals to one, redirect them to draw power from somewhere less objectionable; and two, not require shoving Jews into ovensmurdering helpless drugged fey.

As for where, I'm thinking either Arvandor or, and here's a nice troll thought, that place in the elemental chaos the Prince of Frost is drawing the power for his shield from. That'd really show him that his position isn't unassailable. :smallamused:

Not sure how we'd be able to even try to pull that off, but it would cut down on the horrible side effects of this if we could...

Otherwise, I'm completely stuck for ideas. It's an impossible situation(And Hzurr has admitted as much, so there actually isn't a solution to find outside of throwing things at the wall until we either fail horribly or somehow pull something off) and it's completely horrible, so I have no idea what to do or where to go from here that isn't going to make me a little bit sick to my stomach. :smallfrown: (And even then, honestly, I have no idea where to go from here even with deciding I/Eltain don't care about the prisoners.)

Anyone else got anything?

[Hzurr]

It's an impossible situation(And Hzurr has admitted as much, so there actually isn't a solution to find outside of throwing things at the wall until we either fail horribly or somehow pull something off)

Not impossible, I just don't know how y'all are going to do it. Very different. Sometimes, when I throw obstacles in your way, I mentally have an idea of how to overcome them. Sometimes I don't. This is the latter.

Besides, how can it be impossible when you just brainstormed 2 possible ways to get around it :smallwink:


it's completely horrible
That is the idea. These are not good people, these are people attempting genocide & world conquest in the name of their demon-spider-goddess. If you don't want things to be horrible, you should do something about it. That's what being a PC is all about. You're what's there to stop it. :smallsmile:

[Orsik Vondal]

Sounds like we are going to have to rewire this thing, which is probably gonna take a LOT of arcane mono to pull off unless one of the gods that likes us right now wants to lend us a divine hand. I say we use these guys to help us whittle down the opposition, then cross the next bridge when she come to it.

Ash doesn't want to sacrifice day walkers anymore than anyone else. Switching the power source is going to lead to conflict unless we convince these guys to go along with it.

Hmmm... How about we tell them that to truly break free, we should cut ties to the source of the priestesses power. We might be able to tap into a layer of Hell. Ash has sigil sequences for some of the layers, including Meph's.

[Nai_Calus]

Not impossible, I just don't know how y'all are going to do it. Very different. Sometimes, when I throw obstacles in your way, I mentally have an idea of how to overcome them. Sometimes I don't. This is the latter.

Besides, how can it be impossible when you just brainstormed 2 possible ways to get around it :smallwink:


You forget that I take things you say on twitter and elsewhere at face value. If you say you throw impossible situations at us, I interpret that as such. I trust the DM so I believe the DM. I can stop trusting you if you like... :smalltongue:

Just because I can brainstorm ideas doesn't mean I can do anything with them. ;) Eltain knows more about magic than any normal Paladin has a right to, but while using Arcana as jazz hands to try to influence a magical phenomenon is a thing that can be done sometimes, it's usually not allowed. I'm just cranky because I can't think of anything I can actually do. ;P



That is the idea. These are not good people, these are people attempting genocide & world conquest in the name of their demon-spider-goddess. If you don't want things to be horrible, you should do something about it. That's what being a PC is all about. You're what's there to stop it. :smallsmile:

I'm working on it. We're kind of outnumbered here. :smalltongue:


Sounds like we are going to have to rewire this thing, which is probably gonna take a LOT of arcane mono to pull off unless one of the gods that likes us right now wants to lend us a divine hand. I say we use these guys to help us whittle down the opposition, then cross the next bridge when she come to it.

Thankfully this group has a ton of Arcane mojo, given that five of six of us are at least partially Arcane, although Ash and Lucan are less beastly with Jazz Hands than Pavick, Eltain and Aramil. If anyone can pull off magical BS, it's us.

There's an idea, we'll roll percentile dice for divine intervention. Corellon cares about this situation, he's why we're here anyway. :smallcool:



Ash doesn't want to sacrifice day walkers anymore than anyone else. Switching the power source is going to lead to conflict unless we convince these guys to go along with it.


Hey guys, Lolth sucks, right? Trying to keep you down and telling the priestesses and you how much you suck. You know what would REALLY piss the priestesses and Lolth off? Changing this to draw power from the realm of the god of the Eladrin, her most bitter enemy. That'll sting like hell. :smallwink:



Hmmm... How about we tell them that to truly break free, we should cut ties to the source of the priestesses power. We might be able to tap into a layer of Hell. Ash has sigil sequences for some of the layers, including Meph's.

That totally won't go over badly with Eltain. :smallwink:

[Mando Knight]

Hey guys, Lolth sucks, right? Trying to keep you down and telling the priestesses and you how much you suck. You know what would REALLY piss the priestesses and Lolth off? Changing this to draw power from the realm of the god of the Eladrin, her most bitter enemy. That'll sting like hell. :smallwink:

Or, alternatively, keep the portal drawing off of her power, but "fixing" it so that it's all it does. Hey, Lolth, mind if I use your own power against you? Thanks!

[Nai_Calus]

We could just sacrifice priestesses. Eltain's ok with doing that.

[dariathalon]

I've been throwing ideas through my brain and discarding them for a few days on how we can possibly do this without crossing several moral horizons and making Eltain hate himself forever, but I don't have a lot of good ideas and they all involve stuff only Pavick can try to do and I know Pavick isn't really good anyway.

Actually, I do consider Pavick good, but he doesn't mind dipping his toe (or both legs once in a while) into unaligned waters. No, he does not plan to go along with sacrificing good prisoners to keep the portals going. If we have to sacrifice anyone, it sounds like there are a few priestesses and other drow loyalists around that could be tossed in the fires. Hopefully we'll be able to find a way to eliminate the need for a sacrifice altogether though.

As far as what plane the energy comes from, it doesn't matter too much to Pavick. There are probably good and bad points about anywhere it is set for, so he doesn't really see a reason to change it right now.

[DSCrankshaw]

Eh, we can just tell them that the worthless day walkers can't possibly have enough life force in them to keep the spider going for long. Let's sacrifice some priestesses and see if we can supercharge this baby.

[Orsik Vondal]

I was under the impression that there were no priestesses on this thing. They just hand-picked the wizards, so we probably won't get any help from them.

Most likely, we will be sacrificing the wizards that aren't down with the sickness. :smallbiggrin:

Hzurr, any comments as to the interpretation of the drow's statement?

[Hzurr]

I was under the impression that there were no priestesses on this thing. They just hand-picked the wizards, so we probably won't get any help from them.

Priestesses aren't the ones powering it, but there's no way they'll let all these males run around without someone to keep them in line.


Hzurr, any comments as to the interpretation of the drow's statement?

What exactly are you asking? You can ask the drow if you've got questions.

[Orsik Vondal]

You actually answered my question with your first answer. :smallsmile:

[Nai_Calus]

So, anyone have any ideas at all? Honestly, I've been trying to come up with something to do next all week and I still have absolutely nothing. :smallfrown:

We don't really know enough to proceed with any kind of plan, I have no idea what to ask these guys, and I'm at a complete loss. :smallsigh:

(So naturally it's Eltain who's getting grilled by the NPC... :smalltongue: )

[Mando Knight]

So, anyone have any ideas at all? Honestly, I've been trying to come up with something to do next all week and I still have absolutely nothing. :smallfrown:

We don't really know enough to proceed with any kind of plan, I have no idea what to ask these guys, and I'm at a complete loss. :smallsigh:

(So naturally it's Eltain who's getting grilled by the NPC... :smalltongue: )

I've got something, now... it might be stupid, but it might be stupid enough to work.

[Nai_Calus]

Given that I don't have anything to object *with*, sounds good to me. Besides, when has anything this group's ever done been a good idea or made sense? :smallbiggrin:

Makes more sense for Aramil to come up with a plan anyway. Eltain's not exactly the plan type.

We could just between Eltain and Aramil teleport around until we confuse them all to death, but that's not a very useful idea. It would be amusing though.

Edit: Yes, Eltain did in fact just suggest 'disguising' ourselves as us when the opportunity presents.

[Nai_Calus]

Wait, who is Asheroth signing to? I don't think anyone else in the party actually 'speaks' drow sign language. XD

[Orsik Vondal]

To the drow, of course. :smallwink: I just want to see how long Ash can go without speaking. It's his mercenary persona! :smallbiggrin:

::edit:: And technically, since you are all disguised as drow, Ash could be signing to anyone of you. Just to keep up appearances. :smalltongue:

[Nai_Calus]

And Eltain stands there smiling and nodding and hoping that Ash isn't indicating that he likes small children or something. :smalltongue:

[Hzurr]

So the party is disguising itself as itself to confuse the drow not allied with the drow who allied with them while they were disguised as drow? Got it.

[dariathalon]

Pretty much. :smallbiggrin: Brilliant idea, Nai!

[Nai_Calus]

You expect anything else other than madness from us, Jon? I figure this way we don't have to keep together and it'll confuse everyone. Including the DM.

Also I got bored and did some minor updates on the wiki for some of the NPCs who've had life changes since it was last poked at.

[Hzurr]

Hey guys, sorry for the delay. I left the thumb drive with the map on it at a friends house on Friday. I'm supposed to get it back from him tonight, so depending on when I get home after that, I'll update late tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Nai_Calus]

Unacceptable! :smallfurious: :smallwink:

Nah, no worries.

[DSCrankshaw]

Should we have Zyrr try to win converts first? The rest of us don't look like drow anymore.

[Mando Knight]

Should we have Zyrr try to win converts first? The rest of us don't look like drow anymore.

We've already been informed that the rest aren't inclined towards our glorious revolution.

[DSCrankshaw]

Not inclined doesn't mean hopeless. Though I suppose Zyrr doesn't have the Diplomacy mod to pull it off. On to the battle it is, then.

[DSCrankshaw]

So, does no one want to go first?

[Orsik Vondal]

I was planning Ash's course of action, and how to not freak Eltain and Aramil out. Ash got some new tricks at epic tier. Some new "scary" tricks.:smallbiggrin:

[DSCrankshaw]

Ouch. All those fake drow are going to get hurt once they go in. That's why I'm staying where I am and shooting arrows.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ouch. All those fake drow are going to get hurt once they go in. That's why I'm staying where I am and shooting arrows.

Yeah. Does Ash take the 25 damage or does this world of pain start next turn?

[Hzurr]

Yeah. Does Ash take the 25 damage or does this world of pain start next turn?

Yep. The tragedy of fighting where demonic energy fro Lolth's home is being channeled.

[Orsik Vondal]

Figured. :smallsigh: Just wanted to make sure. Good thing Ash got the Hells out of there quick. Aramil should be able to do about the same thing. He and Ash could try to Pincer-Move the priestess! :smallwink:

::edit:: Now that I wrote it, that sounds kind of wrong...

[Nai_Calus]

Sweet, I have five rounds to act before the ongoing drops me at the start of my turn on round six. This assumes I don't take any other damage. Which I will, probably at least enough to shave two rounds off that figure. There's a L25 Drow Archmage monster in MM3, if those are what these guys in the main room are then I can't actually drop one before I go unconscious.

I kind of want to just go crazy and go after the priestess. I can actually reach her this round without an AP. Fey Step to J8(Bringing Aramil if he wants to get him closer to the action), use the daily power on my Incisive Dagger to teleport 16 squares to I24, charge her. It'd be a Bad Idea, but nothing is actually a good idea here anyway. :smallamused:

[/metagaming]

[DSCrankshaw]

So if Pavick turns the drow into Chihuahuas, do they take the ongoing damage?

[Hzurr]

Sweet, I have five rounds to act before the ongoing drops me at the start of my turn on round six. This assumes I don't take any other damage. Which I will, probably at least enough to shave two rounds off that figure. There's a L25 Drow Archmage monster in MM3, if those are what these guys in the main room are then I can't actually drop one before I go unconscious.


...you know that you've got people who can heal you, right?



So if Pavick turns the drow into Chihuahuas, do they take the ongoing damage?

Huh. That's an interesting question. If they do, they immediately stop being Chihuahuas. So in that case, I'll leave it up to Dariathalon. Do you want them to take the additional damage, or be dazed?

[Mando Knight]

Fey Step to J8(Bringing Aramil if he wants to get him closer to the action),

Can double-jump it, even, with Fey Tactics.

[Orsik Vondal]

We talk too much.:smallbiggrin:

[Nai_Calus]

...you know that you've got people who can heal you, right?


Lucan is (smartly) hiding in the doorway, and no matter where I go I'll be out of line of effect and possibly out of range. :smallwink: Also, the entire rest of the party is also going to need healing, and since I'm tied with Lucan for second highest HP, they'll need it first and more. The only reliable thing I can count on is my PP AP feature which lets me spend a surge. That's not going to help much, and will at most give me a round. I suppose I could use it to AP after using my Second Wind once I get bloodied, but that's questionable whether that or killing guys is more effective. I'm realistic with my numbers analysis. That way, when I'm right I was prepared for it, and if we pull it off somehow it looks like a miracle. :smalltongue:


Can double-jump it, even, with Fey Tactics.

Not quite sure what you mean?

[Mando Knight]

Not quite sure what you mean?
Eltain teleports, takes Aramil with him. Aramil teleports, takes Eltain with him.

[Nai_Calus]

Ahh, right. Although if Eltain goes after the priestess, he's better off going alone on the off chance it might be safe down there out of the main room. (Unlikely, but.) If it is technically he'll never actually enter that room on his way down there... :smalltongue:

Anyway, we're looking at at least six minions, eight standard monsters, and the priestess is almost certainly an elite or solo. If there's more than one of them, that gets even uglier. If I'm right about the levels I'm guessing for things and the types, we're about twice the upper XP value range for a Hard level-appropriate encounter to where the encounter builder reports it as 'too hard'. :smallwink: Plus the ongoing. Yeah, this is going to be insanely ugly. There's a reason we talk too much. Just rushing in we're going to TPK, simple fact of numbers, we almost certainly cannot kill them all before combat damage and the ongoing kill us. We miiiight be able to just squeak by if we can work out some kind of strategy, but it's going to be very, very close.

At any rate, we definitely aren't going to be able to try to get control of the portals, there's not enough time for rituals.

[Hzurr]

If I'm right about the levels I'm guessing for things and the types, we're about twice the upper XP value range for a Hard level-appropriate encounter to where the encounter builder reports it as 'too hard'.

You're assuming that I
a) use monsters directly as they appear in the book
b) wouldn't adjust for level

Besides, you're epic level. If something looks impossible, that either means you got in over your head and have it coming, or you'd best find a way to win.

I've quoted it before, and I'll quote it again.

"Be kind to them at Heroic
Be even-handed at Paragon
Be a bastard at Epic"

- Mike Shea

[Orsik Vondal]

You don't have to take the fight to them. You can take a round of Abyss damage, get out of the room and let the fight come to you. That's what Ash is doing. He knows he is going to need some healing either way. At least by getting out of the damage AOE there is a chance that the monsters will miss him, and he won't take damage in a round.

Of course, I'm playing to Ash's strengths right now.

[dariathalon]

Huh. That's an interesting question. If they do, they immediately stop being Chihuahuas. So in that case, I'll leave it up to Dariathalon. Do you want them to take the additional damage, or be dazed?

I had given this some thought actually, when I'd cast it. I didn't know which way it would go. My preference is for them to be dazed though.


Anyway, we're looking at at least six minions, eight standard monsters, and the priestess is almost certainly an elite or solo. If there's more than one of them, that gets even uglier. If I'm right about the levels I'm guessing for things and the types, we're about twice the upper XP value range for a Hard level-appropriate encounter to where the encounter builder reports it as 'too hard'. :smallwink: Plus the ongoing. Yeah, this is going to be insanely ugly. There's a reason we talk too much. Just rushing in we're going to TPK, simple fact of numbers, we almost certainly cannot kill them all before combat damage and the ongoing kill us. We miiiight be able to just squeak by if we can work out some kind of strategy, but it's going to be very, very close.

Look at it this way, we've already cut down on their numbers by starting a revolution a little early. Plus we don't have to added problem of keeping the legs going as we fight.


At any rate, we definitely aren't going to be able to try to get control of the portals, there's not enough time for rituals.

Actually... I have something that just might get us around that.


Power (Daily): Standard Action. Choose one creature you can see maintaining a zone or an effect. Spend a healing surge (you do not regain hitpoints), and make an opposed arcana check against the creature. If you succeed, you gain control over the zone or effect as if you had cast it. Sustain (minor action) Spend a healing surge (you do not regain hitpoints) and make an opposed arcana check to maintain control over the zone or effect.

So now that Pavick has had a look at what's actually going on in that room, he'll consider the problem. If he could wrestle control of the portal away from one of the enemy, could he do anything about this damage? Maybe switching where it draws power from? If so, would he have to keep maintaining the power costing him surges to do so (if so, it probably won't be worth doing until very late in the fight, if even then).

[Hzurr]

Actually... I have something that just might get us around that.


Originally Posted by Skull of Baftis
Power (Daily): Standard Action. Choose one creature you can see maintaining a zone or an effect. Spend a healing surge (you do not regain hitpoints), and make an opposed arcana check against the creature. If you succeed, you gain control over the zone or effect as if you had cast it. Sustain (minor action) Spend a healing surge (you do not regain hitpoints) and make an opposed arcana check to maintain control over the zone or effect.

Crap. I did give you that, didn't I? I...should have thought of that longer.



So now that Pavick has had a look at what's actually going on in that room, he'll consider the problem. If he could wrestle control of the portal away from one of the enemy, could he do anything about this damage? Maybe switching where it draws power from? If so, would he have to keep maintaining the power costing him surges to do so (if so, it probably won't be worth doing until very late in the fight, if even then).


Yeah, you might be able to change where it's drawing the power from. But you'd still need to find a way to fuel it. Sacrificing Healing surges would probably work, but it'd be very draining.

[Mando Knight]

Yeah, you might be able to change where it's drawing the power from. But you'd still need to find a way to fuel it. Sacrificing Healing surges would probably work, but it'd be very draining.
...Can we fuel it with them?

[Hzurr]

...Can we fuel it with them?

if by them you mean healing surges, probably, but you'd need to get control first

[Mando Knight]

if by them you mean healing surges, probably, but you'd need to get control first

Actually I meant the other guys. Like those Draegloth and the archmages. Much like how the devil forced Pavick to pay the price for his portal thing when she stole control of it from him.

[Hzurr]

Actually I meant the other guys. Like those Draegloth and the archmages. Much like how the devil forced Pavick to pay the price for his portal thing when she stole control of it from him.

If you can get them onto the altars or the spider-skull conduit things, you can definitely try that.

[Orsik Vondal]

Ash can push people every turn. Do they have to die to fuel the portal? Or is it just getting them to the skull conduit that will fuel it?

[Nai_Calus]

Eltain can slide people every turn as well so he can help with forced movement. He's also got his own healing surges if he can assist. We're gonna have to hurry though.

Though, one issue, we can only try for one side as far as I'm seeing.

@Hzurr: Yes, but usually you modify things to make them harder and level them up. ;) Also, can those of us with crazy Arcana skills try to aid Pavick's roll to gain control?

[Hzurr]

You'd need to either kill or bloody them while they're there.

Also, are Aramil / Eltain ever going to get around to doing their side-along apparition? This combat round is taking too long!

As for aiding Pavick, you can't aid him when he's using the skull, but any other arcana check he makes you can aid.

[Nai_Calus]

I'm not going in until we have a full, coherent plan, plus we still have no input from Toric. The tolerances on this are too tight, so I want to make damn sure we've got something that actually gives us a chance past 'Hope we get lucky' before we do much in the way of anything. We can't just rush in and hope here. I don't like spending a week planning things either, but there's no choice here. We metagame this and get it to exact tolerances, or we die, pretty much. We can't afford haphazard battle because there isn't time.

Unfortunately, I'm out of ideas. All our options are squirrely at best and awful at worst, so I'm hoping something can be figured out.

[Mando Knight]

I'm not going in until we have a full, coherent plan, plus we still have no input from Toric. The tolerances on this are too tight, so I want to make damn sure we've got something that actually gives us a chance past 'Hope we get lucky' before we do much in the way of anything. We can't just rush in and hope here. I don't like spending a week planning things either, but there's no choice here. We metagame this and get it to exact tolerances, or we die, pretty much. We can't afford haphazard battle because there isn't time.

Unfortunately, I'm out of ideas. All our options are squirrely at best and awful at worst, so I'm hoping something can be figured out.
And this is why I disagree with the axiom you've quoted, Hzurr. Being a bastard to the players at any stage in the game is bad for the game.

[Orsik Vondal]

I like running in haphazardly. Perhaps I could introduce a new NPC...a dragon named Biff...

[Mando Knight]

Introducing the dragon to the party is Lucan's job, and he doesn't think it's a real dragon yet.

[Hzurr]

. All our options are squirrely at best and awful at worst, so I'm hoping something can be figured out.

Given the choice between squirrely and awful, I go with squirrely every time.


I'm not going in until we have a full, coherent plan, plus we still have no input from Toric. Yeah, I'll send him a message momentarily. Not sure what happened to him.


I like running in haphazardly. Perhaps I could introduce a new NPC...a dragon named Biff...

Ah, Biff the hurry up black dragon. A classic.


Introducing the dragon to the party is Lucan's job, and he doesn't think it's a real dragon yet.

There's something oddly sexual when talking about Lucan introducing his inner dragon to the party.

[DSCrankshaw]

There's something oddly sexual when talking about Lucan introducing his inner dragon to the party.

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that.

[Nai_Calus]

And this is why I disagree with the axiom you've quoted, Hzurr. Being a bastard to the players at any stage in the game is bad for the game.

Yeah, I've always disagreed with it too. It's one of those things that shouldn't be applied universally, at least.


Given the choice between squirrely and awful, I go with squirrely every time.


Yes but that's what you'd expect us to do.



Yeah, I'll send him a message momentarily. Not sure what happened to him.


Wedding planning. He's managed to catch up on the thread, but has no idea what to do yet either.



There's something oddly sexual when talking about Lucan introducing his inner dragon to the party.

...Ok, I think I need to get you a little immoral support to get your mind out of the gutter. :smalltongue::smallwink:

[Hzurr]

Yeah, I've always disagreed with it too. It's one of those things that shouldn't be applied universally, at least.

Oh, of course. Nothing should ever be applied universally. I'm not going to always be a jerk or try and break things, just occasionally.



Wedding planning. He's managed to catch up on the thread, but has no idea what to do yet either.

Hmm...ok. In the interest of keeping things moving, I'd ask that Eltain and Aramil go ahead and take actions, and I'll post for Zyrr this round, just to keep things moving. I'll adjust the encounter as needed to tone it down a bit. But we can't sit here for another week while he takes care of (more important) real life stuff.

[Orsik Vondal]

In my opinion, if we overload one side of the spider, we'll get bottlenecked and take a bunch of portal damage. I think it's better to divide and conquer around the outside rooms and LoS the wizards to get them to come out of the power room.

[Nai_Calus]

Well, if we want to teleport each other, it works better for distance if Aramil takes Eltain to the door and Eltain takes Aramil down into the side room on the left, given line of sight restrictions. From J8 I have line of sight to G17, and Eltain's Fey Step covers 11 squares and can thus get us handily there. Technically I have LoS to F19, but I don't especially feel like putting either of us *on* the altar. Else Eltain can go solo and Ethereal Sidestep to J8 then Fey Step to the same place.

Although I think Toric may be wanting us to pretend to meddle with the things in the middle that look like pools. (Those are the actual portals, right? I'm not sure from the map.)

Although Eltain really wants to go start trying to save the drugged fey, because Eltain.

I'm thinking run in and start 'messing up' the nearest portal while shouting Corellite propaganda to try to convert the archmages to overdo my 'disguise'. Basically a combination of jazz hands and this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxPSgopb_nQ

[Hzurr]

the things in the middle that look like pools. (Those are the actual portals, right? I'm not sure from the map.)


Oops, sorry, I should have clarified. The big green things with the swirly smoke are the actual engines that are driving the spider, the red-spider things on the floor are the portals into the 66th layer of the Abyss (they aren't large enough to fall-through, it just looks as though they're allowing blood to flow in and energy to flow out).


Also, Toric sent me a message with his basic strategy, and asked me to run stuff for him as best I could (since he's busy with a minor issue like getting married and doesn't have time for pretend elves. Silly man.)

[Nai_Calus]

Ah, OK. Given drow, I assumed the spiders were just the usual decorations. Duly noted. Hmm. What to do.

[Nai_Calus]

Where were you earlier, 19? But sure, I'll take a roll of 47 on an Arcana check.

[Mando Knight]

Haven't posted yet because I haven't decided which direction to go... I'm assuming the purple walls are full walls and can't be seen through, which makes it difficult to teleport around given that it's the movement's one restriction...

[Nai_Calus]

Hmm. Well, if you wanted to hit up the other side, Aramil can make it to T15 this round and still have a minor action. If you want to hit the side Eltain's gone to you can make it to H14. Alternately we could retcon to have Aramil Fey Step with Eltain to D8 and I'll delay and take you with me when I Fey Step and dump you in the adjacent square of your choice, which doesn't actually let you do anything this round but gets you a bit farther. (And I'm wary of actually standing in those energy beams because with our luck, they're worse than the rest of the room.)

[Hzurr]

Hmm. Well, if you wanted to hit up the other side, Aramil can make it to T15 this round and still have a minor action. If you want to hit the side Eltain's gone to you can make it to H14. Alternately we could retcon to have Aramil Fey Step with Eltain to D8 and I'll delay and take you with me when I Fey Step and dump you in the adjacent square of your choice, which doesn't actually let you do anything this round but gets you a bit farther.

I'm fine with that.

Regardless, something need to happen soon. This round is taking significantly too long as it is.

Also, a 47 Arcana check? Nice. That will do good things for you.

[Mando Knight]

Not currently my plan for this round, but can I stack Master's Surge with Learned Boost for +3 dice to an at-will? Just saying... Master's Learned Booming Blade would be awesome.

[Orsik Vondal]

(Well, who wants to live forever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jtpf8N5IDE), right?)

Pretty fatalistic of you, Mando. :smallwink: But it makes an AWESOME background musical score for our fight!

[Hzurr]

Not currently my plan for this round, but can I stack Master's Surge with Learned Boost for +3 dice to an at-will? Just saying... Master's Learned Booming Blade would be awesome.

Ha! Sure, why not? This will be terrifying when you use it.

[Hzurr]

Ok, a few rolls:

Aramil re-rolling his missed attack vs the Draegloth from educated action: [roll0]

and Toric's thievery check to "fix" the engines after Eltain fools around with it: [roll1]

and assuming that thievery check works, I'm assuming he'll target the unharmed mage, so a saving throw for that guy: [roll2]


--edit--
Oh man, these guys are so screwed.

[Hzurr]

Could I get a saving throw from Eltain to resist being teleported into hazardous terrain?

[Nai_Calus]

Not dying: [roll0]