Amidus Drexel's Alliterative and Awe-Accentuating Anvil of Random Banter CLXXXVI

[Amidus Drexel]

Mmm... I do love me some bacon Random Banter.BACON!

All of your wonderfully off-topic and silly discussions take place here (at least for another week or so; then we'll have a new thread).

May much talk of weather, Starcraft, booze, physics, and the myriad forumers' social lives commence!

The Previous Random Banter can be found here:
Coid's Crowing Conundrum of a Canticle of Crookedly Random Banter #185 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260837)


The Not-So-Random Rules of Random Banter:
A hot temper leaps over a cold decree
1. Spam. For the purposes of RB, one word posts are generally considered spam. Likewise, posts that are nothing but *actions like this* are also be considered spam. Remember that the quality of the post's content is much better than the speed of your response.

2. This isn't the Play by Post or Town forum, nor is it the Silly Message Board Games or Structured Games forum. Please avoid continuous roleplay or mock battles and fights such as the "competition for control of the universe".

3. If it's already a thread, don't bring it to RB. RB has such a huge range of subject matter even restricted to the little snippets that probably don't warrant their own thread, it doesn't need legitimate thread topics cluttering it up as well. The exception to this is to bring something that is off-topic from one thread, but on-topic for RB and the subject doesn't warrant a thread of its own.

4. Don't advertise other threads in RB. Just because these new threads move at speeds more appropriate to a message board than an IM session doesn't mean you need to come over to RB and brow beat people into posting in your latest brainchild.

5. Please don't post single line posts alerting us to your current status -- as in "I'm back." This is Random Banter, not "How to stalk Random GitP forum members."

6. Don't poke, kick or bump the thread. It will move at whatever pace it wants to. Also, please refrain from Captain Obvious comments akin to "My, the thread is fast today."

7. Random Banter can only be as good, or as entertaining, as you make it. Demands to be entertained will fall on deaf ears unless you can add something more meaningful to the conversation.

8. As this is a public forum, where the current topic is nicely recorded for you, and not a conversation where you could have missed the beginning, please refrain from asking something to the effect of "What's the topic?". Please take the time to read up a bit first.

9. Thread Creator must include the words "Random" and "Banter" as well as the thread #. Try to be concise as well.

10. Every post should contain two visible, legible complete sentences, Subject and Predicate. C'mon, make your old English teachers proud.

11. Remember, Random Banter is not your IM client. If you want to have a back and forth discussion with just one person, look in their contact information for IM details.

12. Whenever a new thread is created, all "first post", "first page", and all posts of that nature will be deleted by the administrators. Please avoid doing this, as it is frustrating for them to deal with one-lined posts like this.

13. Double-posting is not your friend. We have edit buttons for a reason.

14. Once you have made a Random Banter thread, you must wait 50 threads before making another one.

15. If you can avoid dibs calling on making the next thread, that will avoid people needing to wait if the thread hits 50 pages while the dibs-caller is asleep.



Unto the Last Syllable of Recorded Banter:
Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Egdpollard's RB #77 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphiles Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065”)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154
(http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
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[LaZodiac]

I'd boogie but I've suddenly gotten unbelievably sick. I can't even swallow without intense pain. Ouch :smallsigh:

[Eon]

I'd boogie but I've suddenly gotten unbelievably sick. I can't even swallow without intense pain. Ouch :smallsigh:

Feel better Lalalalalalalalala! Then we'll boogie. :smallbiggrin:

[LaZodiac]

Thanks Eon, I'll keep that in mind.

[Mutant Sheep]

Yay, Amidus haz thread. Now all I have to do is find my depony-ing ray...:smalltongue:

ION: BFME2 is FUN! The computer I have it installed on from a few years ago is.... REALLLY GODDAMN SLOW, but damn, this is fun. :smallcool::smallbiggrin:

[Heliomance]

I am a tad squiffy. I should probably go to bed.

Also the Chrome spellchecker doesn't recogniise the words tad, squiffy, or spelllchecker.

[Eon]

Thanks Eon, I'll keep that in mind.

Well, I'd offer to do more to help, but I can think of several many reasons why that wouldn't work.

[Amidus Drexel]

I am a tad squiffy. I should probably go to bed.

Also the Chrome spellchecker doesn't recogniise the words tad, squiffy, or spelllchecker.

Well, I don't think I'd recognize spelllchecker as a word either. :smalltongue: :smallwink:


Yay, Amidus haz thread. Now all I have to do is find my depony-ing ray...:smalltongue:


I probably ought to have done the last one, but I was going to sleep around the same time the three iterations of it went up. :smallsigh:

Hey, I like this avvie. Plus, Elemental made it for me, so I'll be waiting a good while until I swap it out. :smalltongue:

[Dimonite]

Lemme just gavotte right on in here. Boogieing is too mainstream. :smalltongue:

[AsteriskAmp]

Lemme just gavotte right on in here. Boogieing is too mainstream. :smalltongue:Monsieur, a gentleman does not gavotte or conga. It is only freestyle disco dancing that permits proper decorum.

[Dimonite]

Monsieur, a gentleman does not gavotte or conga. It is only freestyle disco dancing that permits proper decorum.

This isn't the first time I've gavotte-ed. Although the other time was in my own thread, so I'm not sure it counts.

[Mutant Sheep]

Well, i SLEEP my way into the thread. So there. :smallyuk:/:smalltongue: :smallbiggrin:

I DONT WANNA SLEEEP.

[Blue Ghost]

I'd join in the boogie-ing, but that's a good way for someone to get hurt. So instead, I'll just drop in and say hi. :smallsmile:

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Alright! New thread! Let's see if we can't hit this 3 day par you guys were on about in the last thread. I'll do my part. Quick! Give me an inane topic to spread out over several dozen posts!

[AsteriskAmp]

This isn't the first time I've gavotte-ed. Although the other time was in my own thread, so I'm not sure it counts.I shall prelude then and then fuge.

I'd join in the boogie-ing, but that's a good way for someone to get hurt. So instead, I'll just drop in and say hi. :smallsmile:The magician's nephew returned!

Wilkomen!

Well, i SLEEP my way into the thread. So there. :smallyuk:/:smalltongue: :smallbiggrin:

I DONT WANNA SLEEEP.Sleep now that you can, for later in life it will become near impossible.

[Mynxae]

Okay good. I don't have a great deal of time to spend learning a game that I might not even like. Are the people better or worse than on Battlenet?

Lux? Zed? Are you speaking Australian? *grabs by the collar and shakes*

Lux, Lady of Luminosity and Zed, Master of Shadows are both Champions. :smalltongue: And the people are probably about the same. Although they've been getting nicer lately due to the honour system.

And about Lux - I usually play her because I, well, she's probably the only lady I'd ever love. She's amazing, and can shoot a laser at bad guys every 22 seconds <3


Can't it be both? But let us say, not quite as greasy as an Italian gangster. Use a product without that wet sheen. Are you going to try it?! Tryyy it!

Possible.. Very possible..


Goodnight, Mynxalot! Dawn is a perfectly acceptable bedtime.

Dawn is usually my bedtime. :smallbiggrin:


Sleep now that you can, for later in life it will become near impossible.

I agree. Turned nineteen on the Saturday just gone, and my sleeping has been horrible the past few weeks. :smallannoyed:

[LaZodiac]

All this talk about Australian has reminded me of the game Ty The Tasmania Tiger. Anyone remember that game series? OPPALS man, OPPALS.

[Mynxae]

All this talk about Australian has reminded me of the game Ty The Tasmania Tiger. Anyone remember that game series? OPPALS man, OPPALS.

I LOVED THAT GAME! I spent countless hours playing that as a kid! :smallbiggrin:

[Feytalist]

I have no idea what that is, but I just got the weirdest flashback to Crash Bandicoot.

I stared at the back of that little bastard's head so much when I was a kid.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I have no idea what that is, but I just got the weirdest flashback to Crash Bandicoot.

I stared at the back of that little bastard's head so much when I was a kid.

What about the side-scrolling levels? Did you not get that far?

[Elemental]

Ahem...


TREE, IT'S A TREE, LA LA LA LA LA LA LA :smalltongue:

Do the flowers smell at all? Are they pretty? Are there bees in them? *frenzied excitement*

... It's a tree in name only...
As for the flowers... They're six or seven metres in the air, ladders make me nervous and I have a poor sense of smell so I do not know. They're not particularly attractive. I am uncertain if they attract bees, though I have seen birds hanging from them and poking around with their beaks, presumably to get at nectar or something.



If I may chime in on this topic: tea loses its flavour a lot more quickly than the best before dates. If I were the legislator, I would mandate a date of packaging label rather than a best before [or better yet, a date of harvest]. Even after a few months, green tea starts to taste like socks; black tea is only a little more stable.

Well, I wouldn't know. I am not fond of tea at all.
And a date of packaging/harvest would be considerably more useful for such long-lived products.



Seeing EleMynx bicker about disclosing a Chrismas present prematurely is highly entertaining, but also highly perplexing. Why anyone ever would want to know (or rather, be told) what he'd get for Christmas is way beyond me. Isn't the whole point of wrapping them and all kind of ruined if you already know what's inside?

I mean, the suspense and all that...

Mynxae can't gift wrap to save himself. And as for me, I hate surprises, particularly surprises that I know are coming.



Now.. To wait for judging. :smalleek:

You look ridiculous. That is all I have to say on the matter.



My nephew has been trying to get me to play League of Legends with him. I'm close to giving in. Is the learning curve as steep as I fear?

You mean... you mean talk to somebody from the Playground? I have never done such a thing! We fear change.

It is an entertaining game that I should play more often. And no, the learning curve is not too steep and the game comes with a helpful set of tutorials.

And what's wrong with talking to Playgrounders in real life? I talk to Mynxae all the time when he visits. Which is not often enough.



Okay good. I don't have a great deal of time to spend learning a game that I might not even like. Are the people better or worse than on Battlenet?

The people are reasonable from my experience. As always, there are those who are not very nice at all, but they are an extreme minority.



Look apon me and despair, general populace, for I have once again entered the realm of the Job Havers!

I am as usual when hearing of people's success, rather jealous.



Agast! What does this doomed future hold? What does this terrible curse entail? :smalleek:

The correct term is "Egad!" Agast isn't even a word.
Unless you were communicating your shock in Swedish, which is perfectly alright.



D: I'm so confused, is kneenibble ION? Who is this ION? Are they nice? Will they take kindly to offerings?


Don't listen to what Mynxae said. ION is me, and yes I am very nice. What kind of offerings do you have?

Stop trying to con offerings out of people. You know we're always more than willing to share baked goods with you.



This conversation you are carrying on with Elemental makes me happy. What do the anti-budgies look like? :smallbiggrin:


Perhaps they have an inverted colour scheme to that of ordinary budgies, or perhaps you can't tell the difference, I don't know. Myself, I imagine them with a fully extradimensional colour array, intangible to lesser minds and capable of driving rational humans to an otherworldly madness. A Lovecraftian palette, if you so wish.

Something along these lines perhaps?
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u389/Aether_Elemental/BudgiePonyI.png



Mmm... I do love me some bacon Random Banter.BACON!

You and bacon... It's almost your catchphrase.



I'd boogie but I've suddenly gotten unbelievably sick. I can't even swallow without intense pain. Ouch :smallsigh:

Hope you get better soon.




The magician's nephew returned!

Wilkomen!
Sleep now that you can, for later in life it will become near impossible.

Isn't it Willkommen? Or is my vaguely remembered German even more vague than I thought?



Lux, Lady of Luminosity and Zed, Master of Shadows are both Champions. :smalltongue: And the people are probably about the same. Although they've been getting nicer lately due to the honour system.

And about Lux - I usually play her because I, well, she's probably the only lady I'd ever love. She's amazing, and can shoot a laser at bad guys every 22 seconds <3

Another new champion? My, I have been out of the loop quite a bit.

[Socratov]

ION: I appear to have acquired a small following of freshman girls. I... don't know how this happened.
you are saying this like it's a bad thing... :smallconfused:

Lux, Lady of Luminosity and Zed, Master of Shadows are both Champions. :smalltongue: And the people are probably about the same. Although they've been getting nicer lately due to the honour system.

And about Lux - I usually play her because I, well, she's probably the only lady I'd ever love. She's amazing, and can shoot a laser at bad guys every 22 seconds <3

Lux I know, but Zed? I may have been gone too long form LoL, but then again, borderlands 2 ^_^ (me being gone from LoL might have been started by Diablo 3) But fortunately I have BL 2 now and I can game even offline if I want (bad connectionm at the B&B I'm staying throughout the week.

Maybe when I have a strong internet again I'd try my hand at Lol again... shoudl be fun (and by fun I mean fun to think of new words cursing my leaving LOL and lettin gmy skills which I didn't have leave me)


Edit: oops, answered in quote... :smallredface:

[Mynxae]

Another new champion? My, I have been out of the loop quite a bit.

There've been several actually. Rengar (AD carry/jungle/assassin), Zed(jungle/AD carry/assassin), the upcoming one (Nami, support) next patch.. I think there's another one but I can't remember.

[Devmaar]

All this talk about Australian has reminded me of the game Ty The Tasmania Tiger. Anyone remember that game series? OPPALS man, OPPALS.


Don't recognise that, but I loved Taz the Tasmanian Devil when I was a kid

[Teddy]

All this talk about Australian has reminded me of the game Ty The Tasmania Tiger. Anyone remember that game series? OPPALS man, OPPALS.

Man, that game was awesome. I remember the hunt for the final 3 opals on Rex Marks the Spot. Or when I tricked the game into letting me swim with ordinary boomerangs for a little while. Those were the days...


Mynxae can't gift wrap to save himself. And as for me, I hate surprises, particularly surprises that I know are coming.

...
Does not compute...

Also, gift-wrapping is an acquired skill. Myself, I especially like the look of how one of our local bookstores,which happens to be owned and operated by a few acquaintances of us, do it by folding one edge of the paper in a certain way, giving it a better feel. They used to work at another bookstore where they used that technique, but that one went into bankruptcy after ownership troubles, so when the moved out, they brought the technique witht them.


The correct term is "Egad!" Agast isn't even a word.
Unless you were communicating your shock in Swedish, which is perfectly alright.

Hmm, my online dictionary disagrees with you on this point (it's an alternative spelling of "aghast", but I'll gladly admit that I abused its word class rather blatantly by using it (an adjective) as an interjection. I sometimes intentionally misapply grammar just to see what the effect will be. That said, I probably should have aimed for a noun instead...

Also, "egad" doesn't quite carry the meaning I was aiming for.


Something along these lines perhaps?
*pony*

Well perhaps, It doesn't quite induce the madness I was thinking of, however...


Isn't it Willkommen? Or is my vaguely remembered German even more vague than I thought?

You're right in this regard. The German language, just as the Swedish, use dual consonants to indicate short vowels much more often than it's done in English.

[Elemental]

...
Does not compute...

Also, gift-wrapping is an acquired skill. Myself, I especially like the look of how one of our local bookstores,which happens to be owned and operated by a few acquaintances of us, do it by folding one edge of the paper in a certain way, giving it a better feel. They used to work at another bookstore where they used that technique, but that one went into bankruptcy after ownership troubles, so when the moved out, they brought the technique witht them.

Of course it's an acquired skill. Most skills are acquired.
Though it is a shame to hear about a bookstore going out of business...



Hmm, my online dictionary disagrees with you on this point (it's an alternative spelling of "aghast", but I'll gladly admit that I abused its word class rather blatantly by using it (an adjective) as an interjection. I sometimes intentionally misapply grammar just to see what the effect will be. That said, I probably should have aimed for a noun instead...

Also, "egad" doesn't quite carry the meaning I was aiming for.

My mistake. It must be an obscure alternative spelling then. Or one not used here in Australia.
So a mild oath used as an expression of surprise that is likely a variant of "Oh God" or something along those lines doesn't fit?

It seems to fit to me... Would "Zounds!" have been more appropriate?



Well perhaps, It doesn't quite induce the madness I was thinking of, however...

Hey, all I did was invert the colours. My computer is only willing to display ordinary, non-insanity inducing colours, probably as a safety feature to prevent people from going crazy.



You're right in this regard. The German language, just as the Swedish, use dual consonants to indicate short vowels much more often than it's done in English.

I knew two years of senior English couldn't be wrong!

[Teddy]

Of course it's an acquired skill. Most skills are acquired.
Though it is a shame to hear about a bookstore going out of business...

Nah, it was probably for the best with those owners. Our acquaintances saw it happening from miles away, at least, which is why they opened the new bookstore (in a more attractive location no less), and when the old one finally took down the sign, they took the opportunity to buy up their entire stockpile for a surmountable sum.


My mistake. It must be an obscure alternative spelling then. Or one not used here in Australia.
So a mild oath used as an expression of surprise that is likely a variant of "Oh God" or something along those lines doesn't fit?

It seems to fit to me... Would "Zounds!" have been more appropriate?

Obscure, or too colloquial to consider. And no, I was kind of aiming toward the expression of a speachless terror, and using interjections in such cases is a little counter-productive...


Hey, all I did was invert the colours. My computer is only willing to display ordinary, non-insanity inducing colours, probably as a safety feature to prevent people from going crazy.

Yes, such a shame isn't it. I suppose my dream of the Lovecraftian anti-budgie will have to remain broken and unfulfilled...


I knew two years of senior English couldn't be wrong!

Heh, sounds like how most of the Icelandic I knew (but have forgotten) was taught in Swedish class.

[Elemental]

Nah, it was probably for the best with those owners. Our acquaintances saw it happening from miles away, at least, which is why they opened the new bookstore (in a more attractive location no less), and when the old one finally took down the sign, they took the opportunity to buy up their entire stockpile for a surmountable sum.

It is still saddening to see a person's business fall apart, even if it was suspected.



Obscure, or too colloquial to consider. And no, I was kind of aiming toward the expression of a speachless terror, and using interjections in such cases is a little counter-productive...

Well, colloquialisms have nothing to do with it. Agast just isn't recognised as the proper spelling here in Australia.
And for moments of speechless terror, I suggest screaming or gasping or something.



Yes, such a shame isn't it. I suppose my dream of the Lovecraftian anti-budgie will have to remain broken and unfulfilled...

Indeed. It is so difficult to render an image the likes of which cause insanity in those who look upon them, reality defying colours or not.
Unsettling is comparatively easier.



Heh, sounds like how most of the Icelandic I knew (but have forgotten) was taught in Swedish class.

I did actually do German in school for a semester. But my teacher for Senior English was also my German teacher when I was in grade eight, and as a result, her classroom had the word "Willkommen" above the door.

[Teddy]

And for moments of speechless terror, I suggest screaming or gasping or something.

Nah, way too loud and not my kind of drama anyway. I think I'll stick to descriptive nouns instead.

ION:
The waxwings stick around, and this time I managed to get a great look from my bathroom window. They were fluttering indecisively between some lower rowan trees and a few higher birches, and I barely had enough time to think that it would be highly coincidential if the hawk showed up now, before they all take off in a huge cloud heading toward the south. I quickly scan the sky around me and spots the hawk as it passes straight over my head, following the flock.

I feel like the worlds luckies unintentional bird-watcher. :smallbiggrin:

IOON:
We finally have enough snow to do some honest shovelling. Not much, mind you, but enough to get a few full scoops at the front of our house. Ahh, the joyous time of manual labour has arrived. :smallpleased:

[LaZodiac]

Wow, more people know of Ty The Tasmanian Tiger then I thought. Awesome!

Meanwhile, still siiiiiiick.

[Teddy]

Meanwhile, still siiiiiiick.

Is it just a common cold, or something worse?

Anyway, I hope you'll get better soon.
*bearhugs* :smallsmile:

[LaZodiac]

Is it just a common cold, or something worse?

Anyway, I hope you'll get better soon.
*bearhugs* :smallsmile:

Probably just a common cold. Nose is stuffed throat is soar, lots of coughing.

Also, thanks Teddy *hugs* :smallsmile:

[Elemental]

Nah, way too loud and not my kind of drama anyway. I think I'll stick to descriptive nouns instead.

Okay then. Just don't use them an interjections.



ION:
The waxwings stick around, and this time I managed to get a great look from my bathroom window. They were fluttering indecisively between some lower rowan trees and a few higher birches, and I barely had enough time to think that it would be highly coincidential if the hawk showed up now, before they all take off in a huge cloud heading toward the south. I quickly scan the sky around me and spots the hawk as it passes straight over my head, following the flock.

I feel like the worlds luckies unintentional bird-watcher. :smallbiggrin:

Of course the hawk would be there. The waxwings are following the food, and so is the hawk.
And I don't know about luckiest... I saw a spangled drongo on the clothesline a couple months ago. Not to mention the heron that occasionally visits our yard for seemingly no reason. And honey eaters, a raven on the fencepost, magpies that let me walk within two metres of them, those parrots in the neighbour's grevillea I didn't manage to get a good look at, wagtails...
And I swear, we have flying dolphins around here. FLYING DOLPHINS.

I mean bats of course. But they sound like dolphins and it's annoying.

[Teddy]

Okay then. Just don't use them an interjections.

I promise nothing. :smallwink:


Of course the hawk would be there. The waxwings are following the food, and so is the hawk.

Well, the fact that 1. they still stick around just my neighbourhood, 2. the hawk is following just them and 3. I was looking outside just at the same moment as the waxwings decided to hang around and the hawk felt hungry makes for at least some level of coincidence (especially 3. The other ones are, as you pointed out, not that coincidential, as I think we may have my town's highest concentration of rowan trees around).


And I don't know about luckiest... I saw a spangled drongo on the clothesline a couple months ago. Not to mention the heron that occasionally visits our yard for seemingly no reason. And honey eaters, a raven on the fencepost, magpies that let me walk within two metres of them, those parrots in the neighbour's grevillea I didn't manage to get a good look at, wagtails...
And I swear, we have flying dolphins around here. FLYING DOLPHINS.

I mean bats of course. But they sound like dolphins and it's annoying.

One third of those names sound like complete nonsense to me, and another third doesn't sound that amazing (given, our magpies and your magpies are completely different species as far as I've gathered). Also, you live in a much warmer climate, that's cheating. :smallwink:

Also, we have bats too, but they're only out in the summer, and ours generally prefer to stay silent.

[AsteriskAmp]

Isn't it Willkommen? Or is my vaguely remembered German even more vague than I thought?NaH2, mine is vaguer. It IS Willkommen.

[Kneenibble]

Zodalicious has a job; Teddifer has snow; he and Elementalis have an abundance of cute birds; Augustus is his usual excellent self; these are all auspicious tidings and I dance a budgie dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmMMHuzDtG0) in celebration.

I don't want to contradict Elemental, but Teddy I am perfectly okay with your using any word you like as an exclamation or interjection or any part of speech. Let me draw you up a poetic license. I'd lend you mine, but its riddled with demerits.

And now to travel back through time to pick up the threads of conversations.

Forgive me, forgive my lustreless prose; I am a little zombie-ish today, having been kept up until 4 am by an infestation of mice. The only thing that comforted me was to watch video after video of housecats torturing and eating the things. Well, I am going to the hardware store after work today to construct a great reckoning.

[Mynxae]

Zodalicious has a job; Teddifer has snow; he and Elementalis have an abundance of cute birds; Augustus is his usual excellent self; these are all auspicious tidings and I dance a budgie dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmMMHuzDtG0) in celebration.

I don't want to contradict Elemental, but Teddy I am perfectly okay with your using any word you like as an exclamation or interjection or any part of speech.

And now to travel back through time to pick up the threads of conversations.

Forgive me, forgive my lustreless prose; I am a little zombie-ish today, having been kept up until 4 am by an infestation of mice. The only thing that comforted me was to watch video after video of housecats torturing the things. Well, I am going to the hardware store after work today to construct a great reckoning.

Oh my. Those poor mice..

[LaZodiac]

No! Let me make you a potion of ginger, cinnamon, cayenne, lemon juice, and honey. It will purge with red flame the phlegmatic humours from your skull.

YOU MUST EARN

Thank you Knee :smallsmile:

[Devmaar]

People! Learn from my mistake!
When feeling unwell, rum may not be the solution

[Amidus Drexel]

People! Learn from my mistake!
When feeling unwell, rum may not be the solution

What? Of course it's the solution.

I would ask for a story, but I think I can tell what it is already. :smallamused:

Feel better!

[Thajocoth]

Chemically speaking, it's a solution. :smallbiggrin:

[Drakeburn]

Well, technically rum is a solution, but it isn't the best solution to choose.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Why do I feel nausea in the morning? This sucks, man. I'm done. I'm going to go to sleep and I'm not going to wake up until the 4th Season of Arrested Development comes out.

[AsteriskAmp]

Why do I feel nauseous in the morning? This sucks, man. I'm done. I'm going to go to sleep and I'm not going to wake up until the 4th Season of Arrested Development comes out.You may be pregnant, or have a brain aneurysm from the symptoms you describe.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

You may be pregnant, or have a brain aneurysm from the symptoms you describe.

A brain aneurysm? Oh come on, that's just sillygmg0-phjf[kpletgh'db/fbhadsfggggggggggggggg

[Devmaar]

Are you sure you took enough? The therapeutic dose is pretty high.

I considered this, but when I tried having more it made the situation much worse

[Amidus Drexel]

So, my friend (also, the only person that knew where we were supposed to be going) was too tired to drive anywhere but back to his house, so no concert. :smallsigh:

Also, my Doom cartridge is being a pain in the ass, and I've given up looking for needlenose pliers to open it up and see what the problem is. :smallfurious: :smallmad: :smallannoyed: :smallsigh:

****.

[AsteriskAmp]

So, my friend (also, the only person that knew where we were supposed to be going) was too tired to drive anywhere but back to his house, so no concert. :smallsigh:

Also, my Doom cartridge is being a pain in the ass, and I've given up looking for needlenose pliers to open it up and see what the problem is. :smallfurious: :smallmad: :smallannoyed: :smallsigh:

****.... wouldn't the amount of money invested in tickets potentially offset laziness or paying for a cab?

Sympathies for missing out a major musical event though; whatever the reasons it's never a happy ocassion.

As for cartridges, they will eventually work when you give up.

[Amidus Drexel]

... wouldn't the amount of money invested in tickets potentially offset laziness or paying for a cab?

Sympathies for missing out a major musical event though; whatever the reasons it's never a happy ocassion.

As for cartridges, they will eventually work when you give up.

Nah, you just pay $5 at the door.

Gah, I haven't been to a gig where I didn't have to play since February. Oh well, I could probably use the sleep, anyway.

I certainly hope so. It's gotten better since the last time I tried to use it, but all that means is that it gets to the title screen instead of stopping at the SEGA logo.

I've tried a PC version of it, but 1) my normally atrocious aim is even worse on a computer, (if that's even possible) and 2) my computer hates downloading things, so I've only been able to use a flash version (which is nowhere near as good). Also, I miss the awesome music that game had.

[Roland St. Jude]

Sheriff: This thread has had a score of posts removed for trolling and discussions of animal torture. At least some participants were aware of a recent thread on this topic that was closed. A thread closing prohibits unauthorized restarting of the thread. It also prohibits the bringing of the topic to this thread.

[Elm11]

Sheriff: This thread has had a score of posts removed for trolling and discussions of animal torture. At least some participants were aware of a recent thread on this topic that was closed. A thread closing prohibits unauthorized restarting of the thread. It also prohibits the bringing of the topic to this thread.

Well, that was mildly unsettling and absolutely not what I expected to see when I checked in to Random Banter. Sorry to hear it.

In unrelated news, the heat in Australia (South-east) is getting a lot of us down. We're used to it, obviously, but not this early. Yesterday, Victoria scored its hottest November day on record, at 45 degrees C (About 115f, I think?). Not fun stuff.

How're the noble citizens of the northern Hemisphere handling the cold?

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Sheriff: This thread has had a score of posts removed for trolling and discussions of animal torture. At least some participants were aware of a recent thread on this topic that was closed. A thread closing prohibits unauthorized restarting of the thread. It also prohibits the bringing of the topic to this thread.

Can't say I remember seeing anything like that. Some of these posts can get huge, though, and I'm a lazy sunufa.

[Mynxae]

Well, that was mildly unsettling and absolutely not what I expected to see when I checked in to Random Banter. Sorry to hear it.

In unrelated news, the heat in Australia (South-east) is getting a lot of us down. We're used to it, obviously, but not this early. Yesterday, Victoria scored its hottest November day on record, at 45 degrees C (About 115f, I think?). Not fun stuff.

How're the noble citizens of the northern Hemisphere handling the cold?

I'm in Brisbane. It's only like 30 degrees C and I'm just like.. "Where did all the lovely cold from Winter go?" :smallfrown:

[AsteriskAmp]

Well, that was mildly unsettling and absolutely not what I expected to see when I checked in to Random Banter. Sorry to hear it.

In unrelated news, the heat in Australia (South-east) is getting a lot of us down. We're used to it, obviously, but not this early. Yesterday, Victoria scored its hottest November day on record, at 45 degrees C (About 115f, I think?). Not fun stuff.Odd, we are just getting spring in here, and we are also Southern Hemisphere (and by that I mean spring temperatures, it's technically summer but no scorching heat yet thankfully.)

[Elm11]

I'm in Brisbane. It's only like 30 degrees C and I'm just like.. "Where did all the lovely cold from Winter go?" :smallfrown:

We made 36 degrees here in Canberra, and it was 42 degrees in the hall where our choir was practising. I feel like Canberra ought never be hotter than Brisbane.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

In unrelated news, the heat in Australia (South-east) is getting a lot of us down. We're used to it, obviously, but not this early. Yesterday, Victoria scored its hottest November day on record, at 45 degrees C (About 115f, I think?). Not fun stuff.

It's been pretty hot in SA but not notably so. It's more of a thick, soupy heat that you can feel displaced as you walk through. It's the quality over the potency that gets me. :smallannoyed:

[Mynxae]

We made 36 degrees here in Canberra, and it was 42 degrees in the hall where our choir was practising. I feel like Canberra ought never be hotter than Brisbane.

Shouldn't Canberra be cooler? I thought it was in the mountains or something. :smalleek:

[Socratov]

I know some parts of the northern hemisphere are doused in snow, but in the Netherlands it's about 0 degrees C (at the moment), so ok I guess...

[Feytalist]

Hit 32 here just on Tuesday. Glad to finally have a nice warm day for a change.

45 is a bit much, though. I don't think I would be able to cope with that. My dad would. He's from the desert.

[Elm11]

Shouldn't Canberra be cooler? I thought it was in the mountains or something. :smalleek:

Yeah, that's the problem. It is meant to be cooler. Instead, we had an overnight low of 22.

[Mynxae]

Yeah, that's the problem. It is meant to be cooler. Instead, we had an overnight low of 22.

That's so weird.. Maybe 2012 is real. And it begins with unreal temperatures :smalltongue:

[Elemental]

In Canberra?
And you had to rehearse in over forty degree heat? I am not looking forward to the rest of this Summer if that is a sign of things to come.

Though otherwise, things are going well. I received a bank statement and I'm slightly richer. I shall have to purchase those new speakers I need.

[Heliomance]

Sheriff: This thread has had a score of posts removed for trolling and discussions of animal torture. At least some participants were aware of a recent thread on this topic that was closed. A thread closing prohibits unauthorized restarting of the thread. It also prohibits the bringing of the topic to this thread.

I'm assuming that's about the mouse traps, but... huh. A disconcerting thing to see upon waking up in the morning.

[Thufir]

Sheriff: This thread has had a score of posts removed

If the number of posts removed was not actually at least 20 I will be slightly disappointed.

[Elm11]

If the number of posts removed was not actually at least 20 I will be slightly disappointed.

I was thinking as much - "Wow. If there were actually a score of violating posts, wouldn't it just be easier to remove the thread and give permission for it to be restarted?" You haven't been exaggerating again, have you Roland? :smalltongue:

[Teddy]

How're the noble citizens of the northern Hemisphere handling the cold?

Just fine, thank you. It's slowly but steadily getting colder over here, and I rather enjoy the newcome snow.

[Elm11]

Just fine, thank you. It's slowly but steadily getting colder over here, and I rather enjoy the newcome snow.

As much as I love snow, having been in Germany during the Winter of 10/11 (one of the colder ones we've seen in a while) and spent half an hour digging out snow from under a car in -15 degree weather, I must admit there's a lot to be said for mild Winters.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I was unaware that the mouse trap thread was even removed. I glanced at it once or twice a while ago b. Either way, I didn't mean to actively participate in something that was delete worth. Learn something new. /tangent

On snow - I love snow, but I don't love it's dangers or if it's REALLY cold. But so long as my pipes don't freeze and I have a warm base of operations to dethaw from, I'm still a fan.

[Castaras]

It's amusing listening to a physics lecture given by a lecturer vaguely high on anesthetic.

[Teddy]

As much as I love snow, having been in Germany during the Winter of 10/11 (one of the colder ones we've seen in a while) and spent half an hour digging out snow from under a car in -15 degree weather, I must admit there's a lot to be said for mild Winters.

I loved that winter. When it first started to snow, one of my classmates complained "Oh no!". When I asked her what she had against snow, she told me that "it will just thaw away in a week and then we'll have slush". It took 5 months before the snow was gone. :smallamused:

And, I can't really appreciate mild winters. I just get worried that the temperature will swing up into the positives, and I haven't really got any jackets that aren't either too cold or too warm for it...

[LaZodiac]

Yaaaay going to work while still sick because I'm really really needed yaaay.

Not enough blue in the world for the above text.

[CurlyKitGirl]

It's amusing listening to a physics lecture given by a lecturer vaguely high on anesthetic.

Well, given that this is the lecture that finishes at one today? You weren't paying attention at all anyway given it's Meetup Day.
Why was he vaguely high? I'm assuming a recent operation . . ?

ION:
Oh Derek Acorah you faker. Still, Most Haunted's brill for a laugh. Occasionally it's even good for a wee bit of a jump scare/anomalous findings. Occasionally. Also, group hysteria/psychological wossnames.

IOON:
Alas, alack, I find myself bereft of my fellow countrymen as they have sequestered themselves in Leicester for the weekend for much merrymaking and entertainment.
I do seek fellow companionship for these days, dreary outside and in, to aid and distract me from the absence of my friends.

IOOON:
Also, I have a sudden craving for chicken homlettes and chips, but we're having stew for dinner today.

[Thufir]

IOON:
Alas, alack, I find myself bereft of my fellow countrymen as they have sequestered themselves in Leicester for the weekend for much merrymaking and entertainment.
I do seek fellow companionship for these days, dreary outside and in, to aid and distract me from the absence of my friends.

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll still be on the forums fairly regularly to tell you how great a time we're having without you. :smalltongue:

ION: Random thought which occurred to me earlier - I tend to eat when I'm stressed. In light of this, it's good that I'm as laid back as I am otherwise I'd probably end up overweight.

[Teddy]

Yaaaay going to work while still sick because I'm really really needed yaaay.

Not enough blue in the world for the above text.

I've spent some time reading through the curiousities of unicode tables. Here, have some spare blue tape:
█████████████████████████████████████████████
And a hug:
*bearhugs* :smallsmile:


ION: Random thought which occurred to me earlier - I tend to eat when I'm stressed. In light of this, it's good that I'm as laid back as I am otherwise I'd probably end up overweight.

I wish I was a bit less laid back so I could gain weight. I've lost a kilogramme as of lately, and that's not positive when I only had 64 to spare...

ION:
Nothing can make me feel as productive as Railroad Tycoon music, and what's even better, one of my favourite pieces is actually called Production. Sadly, all my active projects depend on errands being run, and I'm way too restless for one of my regular games. I think I'd better dig up one of my old ones from fallow...

Actually, I think I should try to save the original music to my own computer so that I won't have to hit the replay button on YouTube every other minute. Brb, fetching my DVD-player.

[DraPrime]

Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be so tragic.

[Dimonite]

Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be so

Dragonprime! You have returned to us! Now we are so happy, we do the dance of joy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPg5LjGYz8)

I hope you succeed gloriously instead of failing!

[CurlyKitGirl]

Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be so

YOU!
HELLO! YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED!
With who else am I meant to discuss Awesome Things Both Academic, Theological and Related? And you up and disappear? Granted I did for a month or more, but still!
But really? Descartes? I've never been able to get a hang on him, and while I'm certainly not even an apprentice in the metaphysical I can agree with certain parts of his theory even as I ultimately disagree with where his theories lead him.
He's worse than Saussure and I really don't like Saussure, even though he basically is the grandfather of historical linguistics and one of the forerunners of the field in general. Can't stand him. His phraseology is so pompous, and I know it comes down to the specific style of French academia, but it's just so much worse translated into English.

That rambling over with, which sources are left for you to read (there's a small chance I'll have read them)? What's the essay about? And, as usual, I'm here to bounce ideas off even though my mindset is probably the exact opposite of what would be of best help to you.

And then! Then, I have things to talk about with you. Things I believe you may find interesting . . .

[Devmaar]

Alas, alack, I find myself bereft of my fellow countrymen as they have sequestered themselves in Leicester for the weekend for much merrymaking and entertainment.
I do seek fellow companionship for these days, dreary outside and in, to aid and distract me from the absence of my friends.

I'm your countryman and I'm not in Leicester

Not particularly helpful as, apart from other considerations, the train my friend takes to uni from Cornwall isn't running currently...

[Thufir]

I'm your countryman and I'm not in Leicester

Not particularly helpful as, apart from other considerations, the train my friend takes to uni from Cornwall isn't running currently...

And why not, pray? All right thinking UKitPers should be in Leicester if not now, then within the next, let's say 12 hours to allow for some lateness. Unless they have serious other matters to attend to or issues which prevent their attendance. I believe Kurly has such. What then is your excuse for not meetuping?

[DraPrime]

YOU!
HELLO! YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED!
With who else am I meant to discuss Awesome Things Both Academic, Theological and Related? And you up and disappear? Granted I did for a month or more, but still!
But really? Descartes? I've never been able to get a hang on him, and while I'm certainly not even an apprentice in the metaphysical I can agree with certain parts of his theory even as I ultimately disagree with where his theories lead him.
He's worse than Saussure and I really don't like Saussure, even though he basically is the grandfather of historical linguistics and one of the forerunners of the field in general. Can't stand him. His phraseology is so pompous, and I know it comes down to the specific style of French academia, but it's just so much worse translated into English.

That rambling over with, which sources are left for you to read (there's a small chance I'll have read them)? What's the essay about? And, as usual, I'm here to bounce ideas off even though my mindset is probably the exact opposite of what would be of best help to you.

And then! Then, I have things to talk about with you. Things I believe you may find interesting . . .

Salve CirrataKitPuella! How have you been?

*hug*

Sorry I've been away, but studies have been tough. I started Latin this semester, and I'm now doing five courses instead of the usual four per semester since I am in my third year now. This has by far been my hardest semester yet, to the point that stress has given me breathing problems and possibly a stomach ulcer. If you do wish to discus fancy theological matters and such with me, there are always way to contact me outside of the forums. Both Blue and LaZodiac do.

Anyways, Descartes. I have to write about the cogency of his dualistic understanding of the human person. If you don't know much about that, then the summary is that Descartes believes the mind and body to be completely distinct from each other. The body is just a machine that the soul works and senses through. I'm writing against this, aiming for a more Aristotelian view of closer unity between soul and body, though the soul still maintains a degree of separation. In fancy philosophical terms, it is the first actualizing principle of the body (it makes it live).

Three of my sources are journal articles that you probably don't know. You might be familiar with Gilbert Ryle's The Concept of the Mind, which critiques Cartesian dualism from a materialist point of view. My final source (http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Personhood-Introduction-Philosophy-Nature/dp/0742548384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354323389&sr=8-1&keywords=Exploring+Personhood) is a book written by one of my professors, a certain Dominican friar named Father Joseph Torchia, OP. He is the best.

I'm not a huge fan of Descartes. He brings up some interesting philosophical problems, and he tries really hard to give answers, but he doesn't really answer them very well. I feel like that's most of Enlightenment philosophy, which is why I don't really like it much. Ah well, at least John Locke was kind of interesting.

As for your other things, discuss them! By PM or post!

It is good to see you again. :smallsmile:

[Heliomance]

And why not, pray? All right thinking UKitPers should be in Leicester if not now, then within the next, let's say 12 hours to allow for some lateness. Unless they have serious other matters to attend to or issues which prevent their attendance. I believe Kurly has such. What then is your excuse for not meetuping?

My excuse is a lack of funds.

[Devmaar]

And why not, pray? All right thinking UKitPers should be in Leicester if not now, then within the next, let's say 12 hours to allow for some lateness. Unless they have serious other matters to attend to or issues which prevent their attendance. I believe Kurly has such. What then is your excuse for not meetuping?

There are limits to how often I can miss D&D sessions without being beset by guilt, and my intention is to keep those occasions for when I'm seeing my girlfriend...
Also I was away last weekend and didn't want to miss 2 in a row...
Also Leicester is far away and I hate replacement bus services...
Also what Heliomance said

[CurlyKitGirl]

Salve CirrataKitPuella! How have you been?

*hug*

*hugs back*
You know, Cirrata is a wonderful nickname. Stupid Latin being so elegant! From that I would logically derive cirrus as being (one of the) plural for 'curly'?


Sorry I've been away, but studies have been tough. I started Latin this semester, and I'm now doing five courses instead of the usual four per semester since I am in my third year now. This has by far been my hardest semester yet, to the point that stress has given me breathing problems and possibly a stomach ulcer. If you do wish to discus fancy theological matters and such with me, there are always way to contact me outside of the forums. Both Blue and LaZodiac do.

:eek:
Darling, have you tried talking to your tutors about this, I'm, positive they wouldn't want you stressing yourself into illness, falling behind on your studies and maybe even having to take a year out!

As to the alternative ways of contacting you . . . I shall investigate these for they are worthy of investigation.


Anyways, Descartes. I have to write about the cogency of his dualistic understanding of the human person. If you don't know much about that, then the summary is that Descartes believes the mind and body to be completely distinct from each other. The body is just a machine that the soul works and senses through. I'm writing against this, aiming for a more Aristotelian view of closer unity between soul and body, though the soul still maintains a degree of separation. In fancy philosophical terms, it is the first actualizing principle of the body (it makes it live).

Mmm, I know about that much, and Aristotelian theory is something along the lines of a plurality of psyches, each doing a little bit to make one whole 'soul'? Something like that. And these psyche-soul-things make the body live, although they're still somewhat separate.
My theology is primarily that which influenced eighth to sixteenth century writings as it is, and the whole soul thing confused me even in Ancrene Wisse. It is a very beautiful book, and it's chapter on love specifically is quite gorgeous. And linguistically! Wow. It's such a simple, intimate conversation the writer has with the reader(s) that it makes it all the more beautiful in terms of subject, linguistic, religion and whatnot. This coming from a more-atheist-than-agnostic too.
I suppose I'd lean a little more towards Aristotelian beliefs personally because it seems better (although I can't quantify how) than a more or less complete separation


Three of my sources are journal articles that you probably don't know. You might be familiar with Gilbert Ryle's [I]The Concept of the Mind, which critiques Cartesian dualism from a materialist point of view. My final source (http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Personhood-Introduction-Philosophy-Nature/dp/0742548384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354323389&sr=8-1&keywords=Exploring+Personhood) is a book written by one of my professors, a certain Dominican friar named Father Joseph Torchia, OP. He is the best.

I'm familiar with it, although I don't I ever did more than skim the very few first pages. It was a recommended book back in first year for an essay we could do on Victorian literature. Something about Victorian medical/psychological impacts on literature post-1860. I was intimidated by it (and Victorian theoreticians in general), and to be honest, much more interested in the poetic option.
Aaaand there goes another book onto my Covet List. You know, between our conversations there've been enough books suggested to me to build up a small, but fairly good theology/related subjects section. Can't say I regret it.
Also: OP?


I'm not a huge fan of Descartes. He brings up some interesting philosophical problems, and he tries really hard to give answers, but he doesn't really answer them very well. I feel like that's most of Enlightenment philosophy, which is why I don't really like it much. Ah well, at least John Locke was kind of interesting.

To me, the Enlightenment was always about the birth of, and experimentation of, ideas than solving things. To ruthlessly butcher a famous quote, this is when a new generation of people started climbing on giants, but couldn't quite get high enough.


As for your other things, discuss them! By PM or post!

It is good to see you again. :smallsmile:

I'll wait until after the essay's deadline's passed. Then we can wall-o-text this RB into submission. :smallevilsmile:

Until then, I shall say only that Madhuri Dixit is upsettingly attractive. She's over forty and a mother of two, and you wouldn't believe it at all would you?
No you would not. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q42IpVY_kNY&feature=endscreen&NR=1) And when she smiles . . . :smallinfatuation:
(This song is also related to one of the things I wanted to talk to you about/discuss/ramble/ask about after the essay crisis is over by the way)

[DraPrime]

*hugs back*
You know, Cirrata is a wonderful nickname. Stupid Latin being so elegant! From that I would logically derive cirrus as being (one of the) plural for 'curly'?

Cirrus is actually the noun that means "curl", usually in reference to hair. Cirrata is the feminine form of the adjective that means curly. The plural cases of cirrata are cirratae, cirratarum, cirratis, cirratas, cirratis.


:eek:
Darling, have you tried talking to your tutors about this, I'm, positive they wouldn't want you stressing yourself into illness, falling behind on your studies and maybe even having to take a year out!

As to the alternative ways of contacting you . . . I shall investigate these for they are worthy of investigation.

I'm almost done with the semester, so it's not worth bringing up now. Besides, I know the cure, which is plenty of sleep. This isn't the first time this has happened to me. As for Latin, it is good but incredibly time consuming. I'm also learning classical Latin which is...weird. The pronunciation is quite different from the Latin that I've prayed with for the past couple years. I was especially sad when I realized that Julius Caesar actually said something that sounds more like "wenee, weedee, weekee" rather than the traditional "veni, vidi, vici". And his last name is pronounced almost exactly like kaiser! The irritating part about this is that if I do end up getting ordained I'll need to put a lot of practice into reverting back to ecclesiastical pronunciation.

There was one awesome thing about learning the classical pronunciation. Do you recall the Dr. Who episode that took place in Pompeii? The Doctor's companion (Donna?) tests out what happens to the universal translator if you speak the local language. She uses ecclesiastical pronunciation, and some Roman responds to her by saying something like "Sorry madam, but I don't speak Celtic." The thing is, ecclesiastical Latin was actually formed in part because of the influence of various barbarian tribes mixing with the Roman peoples, so it could indeed sound like someone speaking Latin with a thick accent from some Celtic tribe. I know that's probably not what the writers of Dr. Who intended, but it's still cool to pretend.

Speaking of old languages, I am proud to say that for my Reformation Theology I read four pages of Lollard stuff in Middle English. The only help I got was the professor explaining the two letters that are different. It was an interesting experience.

As for contacting me, my email, skype, and MSN are all listed here. here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=23408).


Mmm, I know about that much, and Aristotelian theory is something along the lines of a plurality of psyches, each doing a little bit to make one whole 'soul'? Something like that. And these psyche-soul-things make the body live, although they're still somewhat separate.

Hmmm, I don't think that's what I learned about Aristotle. From what I understood the soul is the immaterial principle that takes a body from the potential to be alive, to the actualization of being alive. It is the form of a person, and together with their body it forms their substance, who they are. People are composite beings of body and soul, rather than the Cartesian view that they are minds that happen to be hooked up to bodies.

The thing with multiple psyches sounds a bit like Plato. In his Republic he describes people as having three souls, the appetative, rational, and spirited. Each deals with a separate part of human action. Aristotle looked at that and said that that's all good and well, but you still need one unifying principle in control of them all. Why not call that the soul rather than these three things? You could even count the three souls as part of what really is the soul. I quite like Aristotle's (and by extension Aquinas') view on the soul. It's not as dysfunctional as the Cartesion view, but nor is it purely materialistic. It stands in the middle as a compromise, giving due credit to both soul and body.


My theology is primarily that which influenced eighth to sixteenth century writings as it is, and the whole soul thing confused me even in [I]Ancrene Wisse. It is a very beautiful book, and it's chapter on love specifically is quite gorgeous. And linguistically! Wow. It's such a simple, intimate conversation the writer has with the reader(s) that it makes it all the more beautiful in terms of subject, linguistic, religion and whatnot. This coming from a more-atheist-than-agnostic too.
I suppose I'd lean a little more towards Aristotelian beliefs personally because it seems better (although I can't quantify how) than a more or less complete separation

Yeah, the soul thing can be quite baffling. I had a whole semester on the subject, going form the pre-Socratics (the soul is made of fire!) all the way to the post-modernists. It's an issue that theologians and philosophers have argued about for quite a long time. The loss of Aristotle certainly didn't help, since it only really gave Plato and his philosophical descendants a voice, and they are weird. Thomism had a nice dominance on the issue until Descartes through a wrench into the works. :smallsigh:


I'm familiar with it, although I don't I ever did more than skim the very few first pages. It was a recommended book back in first year for an essay we could do on Victorian literature. Something about Victorian medical/psychological impacts on literature post-1860. I was intimidated by it (and Victorian theoreticians in general), and to be honest, much more interested in the poetic option.
Aaaand there goes another book onto my Covet List. You know, between our conversations there've been enough books suggested to me to build up a small, but fairly good theology/related subjects section. Can't say I regret it.
Also: OP?

I wouldn't recommend reading The Concept of Mind unless you are really really really interested in the most common modern critique of Cartesian dualism. Ryle is a modern day linguistic philosopher, which is quite popular in the Anglo-Linguistic tradition, and his kind do not make for interesting reading. They're the kind of people who will write whole essays about whether "He says it, and I do it" and "I do it because he says it" mean the same thing, and if not, how they are different and why it is significant. I suppose if you are really into language (which you are) you may find it interesting. I'm honestly much more intrigued by metaphysics and ethics as far as philosophy goes.

OP stands for "Ordo Praedicatorum". It means "Order of Preachers", which is the name that St. Dominic gave to the Dominican order. They only picked up his name later on after his death. Every religious order has its own set of initials that go after the name of its members. So my professor is Joseph Torchia, OP. My bishop is Sean O'Malley OFM Cap. A Jesuit might have a name like Francis Xavier, SJ. I get no initials though, since I am diocesan rather than in an order.


To me, the Enlightenment was always about the birth of, and experimentation of, ideas than solving things. To ruthlessly butcher a famous quote, this is when a new generation of people started climbing on giants, but couldn't quite get high enough.

Aye, they tried so very hard. It's sad to read Descartes, because you can see how very hard he is trying to create a stable philosophy, and it just doesn't really work. I suppose it had to happen, since scholastic philosophy was starting to become bloated, stupid, and useless. Something had to come along and put it out of its misery. It was no longer the great thing it had been in the days of Aquinas, Bonaventure, and Duns Scotus.


I'll wait until after the essay's deadline's passed. Then we can wall-o-text this RB into submission. :smallevilsmile:

You have no idea how much I've missed doing that. If RB was a ship we would sink it with the weight of our posts.


Until then, I shall say only that Madhuri Dixit is upsettingly attractive. She's over forty and a mother of two, and you wouldn't believe it at all would you?
No you would not. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q42IpVY_kNY&feature=endscreen&NR=1) And when she smiles . . . :smallinfatuation:
(This song is also related to one of the things I wanted to talk to you about/discuss/ramble/ask about after the essay crisis is over by the way)

Celibacy...must....maintain....in spite of ridiculously attractive woman.... :smalltongue:

*sigh*

My essay has only a little bit over three pages done. The problem is that currently I have to explain Descartes' position, and that's boring. I can't wait until I actually get to my critique. That's still a good seven pages away. Blargh.

[Amidus Drexel]

Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be so

Good luck with that, man!

So very, very glad I don't have to write any essays for my calculus or physics classes...

[DraPrime]

Good luck with that, man!

So very, very glad I don't have to write any essays for my calculus or physics classes...

Thank you!

Also, you do calculus and physics? I am quite jealous. I like math and physics, but my current choice of profession doesn't really afford me the time to study them.

[Amidus Drexel]

Thank you!

Also, you do calculus and physics? I am quite jealous. I like math and physics, but my current choice of profession doesn't really afford me the time to study them.

Yeah. They're the only classes I have that I actually like right now, though (besides theatre). I have to take an English class and a Civics class to graduate, and they are mind-numbingly boring. :smallannoyed:

That's too bad. Math is fun!

I would jump in on this Enlightenment philosophy conversation, but I remember so very little of it.

[LaZodiac]

I've spent some time reading through the curiousities of unicode tables. Here, have some spare blue tape:
█████████████████████████████████████████████
And a hug:
*bearhugs* :smallsmile:

First (and most importantly) of all, thanks Teddy *hugs!* I'm doing much better now.

Secondly. I am gone the whole day and you don't even finish one page, even with the return of Dragonprime. For shame, RB thread. For shame.

[Mynxae]

Speaking of which.. Where's Moonie been? Haven't seen her for ages. :smallfrown::smalleek:

[Elemental]

ION: Nothing can make me feel as productive as Railroad Tycoon music, and what's even better, one of my favourite pieces is actually called Production. Sadly, all my active projects depend on errands being run, and I'm way too restless for one of my regular games. I think I'd better dig up one of my old ones from fallow...

Actually, I think I should try to save the original music to my own computer so that I won't have to hit the replay button on YouTube every other minute. Brb, fetching my DVD-player.

Hmm... Now I feel like playing with virtual trains...



Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be so

Despite large quantities of writing ahead of you, it is wonderful to hear from you again. I did so miss your walls of text on philosophy, reading them made me feel smart.
We must celebrate in the proper and traditional way. I.e. Lighting the sky on fire.
http://www.theurbanlist.com/sites/default/files/a_list_images/Riverfire%20Brisbane.jpg


Oh, and Mynxae: It's December now. Tell me what you're getting me for Christmas!
To be fair, I did give you the opportunity of waiting until the start of Advent, but you chose otherwise.

[Mynxae]

Oh, and Mynxae: It's December now. Tell me what you're getting me for Christmas!
To be fair, I did give you the opportunity of waiting until the start of Advent, but you chose otherwise.

I never said I'd tell you what I'm getting you once it was December. :smalltongue:

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Almost a whole day without power. And in this heat, sleep was but the waking dream of the desperate. Holy crap I must have lost eight whole pounds last night.

[AsteriskAmp]

Ladies and gentleman, I have a 15-20 page paper on Cartesian dualism due by midnight tomorrow. I only started writing it today. I have read one of the five sources that I intend to use. I am so averse to doing this essay that I actually killed time by trimming my beard down to a goatee to avoid writing. You have no idea how dull it is to write about Cartesian dualism. It is all a category mistake anyways! If I succeed, it will be glorious. If I fail, it will be soThe prodigious son has returned!

I have no doubt such a paper will be magnificent considering the author, and the fact that science has proven that creativity skyrockets when one is subject to forceful unwanted and unpaid work and is severely insomniac.

Thank you!

Also, you do calculus and physics? I am quite jealous. I like math and physics, but my current choice of profession doesn't really afford me the time to study them.I can't take anything past Theology 1 or Science & Philosophy without making a formal request to the dean's office.

Want to trade places?

[DraPrime]

Despite large quantities of writing ahead of you, it is wonderful to hear from you again. I did so miss your walls of text on philosophy, reading them made me feel smart.
We must celebrate in the proper and traditional way. I.e. Lighting the sky on fire.
http://www.theurbanlist.com/sites/default/files/a_list_images/Riverfire%20Brisbane.jpg

Hooray! I have been missed! It's good to see (read?) you too Elemental. I do quite like how you set the sky on fire. Very beautiful.

Anyways, you don't need me to feel smart. Just read where I get all my stuff from. Start with something like Plato's Apology. It's good stuff.


The prodigious son has returned!

Prodigious? Did you just call me fat? :smallconfused:


I have no doubt such a paper will be magnificent considering the author, and the fact that science has proven that creativity skyrockets when one is subject to forceful unwanted and unpaid work and is severely insomniac.
I can't take anything past Theology 1 or Science & Philosophy without making a formal request to the dean's office.

No doubt it will be a fine work. I've never actually written anything this long, so it will be a new experience. Really I'm just regurgitating what my Dominican professor taught me about Cartesian dualism, and he is a brilliant source, so it should be close to his greatness.


Want to trade places?

I would, but as much as I like math and science things, I like the priesthood more. :smallamused:

[LaZodiac]

Speaking of which.. Where's Moonie been? Haven't seen her for ages. :smallfrown::smalleek:

I haven't seen her either. I'm worried too :smallfrown:

[AsteriskAmp]

Prodigious? Did you just call me fat? :smallconfused:The second definition. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prodigy?show=0&t=1354341135)

No doubt it will be a fine work. I've never actually written anything this long, so it will be a new experience. Really I'm just regurgitating what my Dominican professor taught me about Cartesian dualism, and he is a brilliant source, so it should be close to his greatness.A ten page essay is long?

I would, but as much as I like math and science things, I like the priesthood more. :smallamused:On the other hand they are not mutually exclusive; Guarino Guarini, Copernicus and Mendel, Battista Riccioli and William of Ockham to cite a few. Which reminds me that I have a rather interesting collection of books from a seminar by Petronio Tam about the reconciliation between spirituality and quantum mechanics which are a rather interesting read even if some parts are rather grunt-worthy; I still need to finish them though.

[DraPrime]

A ten page essay is long?

15-20 page essay, not 10.


On the other hand they are not mutually exclusive; Guarino Guarini, Copernicus and Mendel, Battista Riccioli and William of Ockham to cite a few. Which reminds me that I have a rather interesting collection of books from a seminar by Petronio Tam about the reconciliation between spirituality and quantum mechanics which are a rather interesting read even if some parts are rather grunt-worthy; I still need to finish them though.

They lived in times when there were more of my kind around, so they could devote themselves to such work. As it is I will be filling in for serious shortages. Besides, many of them were either members of orders or canons. I'm affixed to a diocesan structure, which means that I have less liberty to be an academic. Besides, science is more of a curious hobby than an actual passion.

[Elemental]

I never said I'd tell you what I'm getting you once it was December. :smalltongue:

I offered you the start of either December or Advent. You chose December by reason of you don't know when Advent starts.
And besides, you might as well tell me what it is. You've ruined the surprise by telling me it's a surprise. Tell me! Or I won't take you book shopping for Christmas. I got a bank statement and I can afford to, so you're in luck.

Also, I need to know what you bought me so I don't accidentally buy it myself.



Hooray! I have been missed! It's good to see (read?) you too Elemental. I do quite like how you set the sky on fire. Very beautiful.

Anyways, you don't need me to feel smart. Just read where I get all my stuff from. Start with something like Plato's Apology. It's good stuff.

Why thank you. One of these years, I should probably go and actually see that...

I could, but I always get bogged down when reading philosophy for some reason. I am much more fond of history and science etc.
However, the foundations of philosophy upon which centuries of thought have been built up on would probably be an easier read now that I think of it... I should give it a try next time I'm down at the library.

[Mynxae]

I offered you the start of either December or Advent. You chose December by reason of you don't know when Advent starts.
And besides, you might as well tell me what it is. You've ruined the surprise by telling me it's a surprise. Tell me! Or I won't take you book shopping for Christmas. I got a bank statement and I can afford to, so you're in luck.

Also, I need to know what you bought me so I don't accidentally buy it myself.

I'll give you a clue. It's a book. :smallsigh:

[AsteriskAmp]

15-20 page essay, not 10.That still does not reach the long definition of an essay, that's the average lab report length; semiotics test ended up requiring one to write around that amount without access to consult material.

They lived in times when there were more of my kind around, so they could devote themselves to such work. As it is I will be filling in for serious shortages. Besides, many of them were either members of orders or canons. I'm affixed to a diocesan structure, which means that I have less liberty to be an academic. Besides, science is more of a curious hobby than an actual passion.If I recall correctly one can later on affiliate with an order (though that may be a particular of the order I'm thinking of or the person in particular which merited a special case).

From mostly anecdotal evidence there is the possibility of military chaplaincy which normally leaves one with a considerable amount of freedom and time (though that may just be the case in my country where the military is rather useless and sees no action at all).

It is not rare for curious hobbyist to discover rather interesting stuff; like a man with no medical knowledge which could have built a machine able to attack cancer without harming the patient, or how Roald Dahl built a kid's life saving machine.

[Elemental]

I'll give you a clue. It's a book. :smallsigh:

Tell me so I don't buy it myself!

[Mynxae]

Tell me so I don't buy it myself!

Hmm. So you said you'll be taking me bookshopping for my Christmas present, therefore there will be no surprise so then I should just tell you in the meantime? :smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

Why thank you. One of these years, I should probably go and actually see that...

I could, but I always get bogged down when reading philosophy for some reason. I am much more fond of history and science etc.
However, the foundations of philosophy upon which centuries of thought have been built up on would probably be an easier read now that I think of it... I should give it a try next time I'm down at the library.

The problem is that most philosophers are atrocious writers. They're brilliant, but they lack any style. Plato happens to actually be enjoyable to read. He writes everything in the format of a dialogue between Socrates and several other people. Socrates is depicted as an amusingly sarcastic man, so it can be enjoyable to see him poke fun at the silliness of other people. Besides that, there's an actual plot to them. The Apology is actually Plato's account of Socrates' trial. The Phaedo depicts his final words before his execution. If you just want to learn the history of Socrates, Plato is the man to go to.


That still does not reach the long definition of an essay, that's the average lab report length; semiotics test ended up requiring one to write around that amount without access to consult material.

It might be normal for science, but for an undergrad philosophy student it is of some length. I'm guessing that a lab report is, well, a report. You report what happened, rather than trying to make an entirely original essay.


If I recall correctly one can later on affiliate with an order (though that may be a particular of the order I'm thinking of or the person in particular which merited a special case).

From mostly anecdotal evidence there is the possibility of military chaplaincy which normally leaves one with a considerable amount of freedom and time (though that may just be the case in my country where the military is rather useless and sees no action at all).

I could join an order later, but I have no desire to. I feel no call, and it's an enormous hassle. As for military chaplaincy, which I am considering, it's usually rather time consuming for us, since we Americans are a bit more active militarily. The life of a diocesan priest is an extremely busy one, especially during shortages.


It is not rare for curious hobbyist to discover rather interesting stuff; like a man with no medical knowledge which could have built a machine able to attack cancer without harming the patient, or how Roald Dahl built a kid's life saving machine.

One day then perhaps.

[AsteriskAmp]

I could join an order later, but I have no desire to. I feel no call, and it's an enormous hassle. As for military chaplaincy, which I am considering, it's usually rather time consuming for us, since we Americans are a bit more active militarily. The life of a diocesan priest is an extremely busy one, especially during shortages.Strangely enough the situation is inverted where I live. The diocesans have a surplus and it's certain non-secular orders which have shortages (mainly the ones which took pedagogy up several centuries back) but also have a fair degree freedom for pursuing academic endeavours within certain boundaries; my university used to be exclusively run by priests until a turn of events and there are still several priests teaching, not all of them humanities or theo/philosophy.

[Elemental]

Hmm. So you said you'll be taking me bookshopping for my Christmas present, therefore there will be no surprise so then I should just tell you in the meantime? :smalltongue:

Yes. It's not fair for you to keep me in suspense when I'm not doing it to you.



The problem is that most philosophers are atrocious writers. They're brilliant, but they lack any style. Plato happens to actually be enjoyable to read. He writes everything in the format of a dialogue between Socrates and several other people. Socrates is depicted as an amusingly sarcastic man, so it can be enjoyable to see him poke fun at the silliness of other people. Besides that, there's an actual plot to them. The Apology is actually Plato's account of Socrates' trial. The Phaedo depicts his final words before his execution. If you just want to learn the history of Socrates, Plato is the man to go to.

Unfortunately, that is so often the case.
Hmm... That would explain why they wanted him dead... Anyway... I shall have to check if the library has any of his stuff. They might, they might not.

[Mynxae]

Yes. It's not fair for you to keep me in suspense when I'm not doing it to you.

Fine.. It's "Who could that be at this hour?" by Lemony Snicket. :smallsigh: Happy? Although I'm still thinking of SC2 as a possibility as well so I have someone to play with.

[Elemental]

Fine.. It's "Who could that be at this hour?" by Lemony Snicket. :smallsigh: Happy? Although I'm still thinking of SC2 as a possibility as well so I have someone to play with.

Gasp! How did you know that was the one I wanted?!?!
*almost dies from barely suppressed joy and excitement*

You are one awesome friend Mr. Mynxae.
Have a song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_653413&feature=iv&src_vid=ytKvgLuy7ng&v=aZd-GFcJ3ks)

[Mynxae]

Gasp! How did you know that was the one I wanted?!?!
*almost dies from barely suppressed joy and excitement*

You are one awesome friend Mr. Mynxae.
Have a song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_653413&feature=iv&src_vid=ytKvgLuy7ng&v=aZd-GFcJ3ks)

/chuckles I didn't actually know what you wanted. But I saw the author's name and well.. Every book by Lemony Snicket you enjoy immensely, so I thought I'd get it for you. :smallbiggrin:

Also... That piano cover is awesome. :smalltongue:

[Elemental]

/chuckles I didn't actually know what you wanted. But I saw the author's name and well.. Every book by Lemony Snicket you enjoy immensely, so I thought I'd get it for you. :smallbiggrin:

Also... That piano cover is awesome. :smalltongue:

It's a good thing you told me then, because I was going to buy it for myself.
And naturally, I'm still excited.
Starcraft II is still a possible idea, but you don't have to because I may end up just buying it myself. How much does it cost these days?

Do you want to come over early next week? I remember that we briefly discussed you visiting sometime this week, but I think we both forgot about it. Unless I'm getting my weeks confused...

[Mynxae]

It's a good thing you told me then, because I was going to buy it for myself.
And naturally, I'm still excited.
Starcraft II is still a possible idea, but you don't have to because I may end up just buying it myself. How much does it cost these days?

Do you want to come over early next week? I remember that we briefly discussed you visiting sometime this week, but I think we both forgot about it. Unless I'm getting my weeks confused...

Should be able to get away with possible Tuesday afternoon to come over, leave perhaps Thursday or Friday. Sound all good?

And SC2, it depends on where you go. Lemme just do a quick web search... At EB Games, apparently on special for $36. Very surprising.. It's $40 online in the Blizzard Store. JB Hi-Fi (if it's in stock.. They generally have a fairly small stock of PC Games) is $34. So try JB first, if they're out either go to a different one or go to EB Games. :smallsmile:

I might be able to get it for you but if you really want to buy it for yourself then I can...

[Elemental]

Should be able to get away with possible Tuesday afternoon to come over, leave perhaps Thursday or Friday. Sound all good?

And SC2, it depends on where you go. Lemme just do a quick web search... At EB Games, apparently on special for $36. Very surprising.. It's $40 online in the Blizzard Store. JB Hi-Fi (if it's in stock.. They generally have a fairly small stock of PC Games) is $34. So try JB first, if they're out either go to a different one or go to EB Games. :smallsmile:

I might be able to get it for you but if you really want to buy it for yourself then I can...

Sounds good. Just asked Mum and she said yes.
Oh, and I've got some episodes of Miss Marple and Poirot recorded if you want to watch them.

That cheap? I expected it to have decreased in cost since it came out, but I though it'd still be around fifty or sixty dollars. I will buy it myself if my computer will run it. May run a bit laggy unfortunately. I need to go and buy new speakers anyway because I have money in the bank. Is Starcraft II easier or harder on a computer than League of Legends?

[Mynxae]

Sounds good. Just asked Mum and she said yes.
Oh, and I've got some episodes of Miss Marple and Poirot recorded if you want to watch them.

That cheap? I expected it to have decreased in cost since it came out, but I though it'd still be around fifty or sixty dollars. I will buy it myself if my computer will run it. May run a bit laggy unfortunately. I need to go and buy new speakers anyway because I have money in the bank. Is Starcraft II easier or harder on a computer than League of Legends?

If you have it on the lowest graphics then it should be fine, as long as we don't play too many maps with absolute tonnes of units. Even my computer lags with tonnes of units..

Miss Marple and Poirot, I've missed you <3 We must watch them! I'd even stay an extra day just so we can watch them! :smallbiggrin:

So when would you be doing the 'going to the shops' business for speakers and Starcraft II? :smalltongue:

[DraPrime]

Strangely enough the situation is inverted where I live. The diocesans have a surplus and it's certain non-secular orders which have shortages (mainly the ones which took pedagogy up several centuries back) but also have a fair degree freedom for pursuing academic endeavours within certain boundaries; my university used to be exclusively run by priests until a turn of events and there are still several priests teaching, not all of them humanities or theo/philosophy.

Sadly enough we have shortages all around, in both orders and dioceses. My diocese has currently projected that around 2021 (three years after I will be ordained) we will be down to almost one priest per two parishes. It does not bode well for us. There are a few dioceses and orders that are doing well, but not in my part of the country.

[Elemental]

If you have it on the lowest graphics then it should be fine, as long as we don't play too many maps with absolute tonnes of units. Even my computer lags with tonnes of units..

Miss Marple and Poirot, I've missed you <3 We must watch them! I'd even stay an extra day just so we can watch them! :smallbiggrin:

So when would you be doing the 'going to the shops' business for speakers and Starcraft II? :smalltongue:

Sounds like a plan. We just have to make sure we can get the television away from my sister.

Hmm... I'm not sure... I might be able to do it some time this week, which will be helpful because I can get you to help me choose speakers.



Sadly enough we have shortages all around, in both orders and dioceses. My diocese has currently projected that around 2021 (three years after I will be ordained) we will be down to almost one priest per two parishes. It does not bode well for us. There are a few dioceses and orders that are doing well, but not in my part of the country.

One priest for two parishes? The situation is that dire?
You'll need to start up some kind of recruiting drive or something. I suggest borrowing clergy from regions with a surplus.

[Mynxae]

Sounds like a plan. We just have to make sure we can get the television away from my sister.

Hmm... I'm not sure... I might be able to do it some time this week, which will be helpful because I can get you to help me choose speakers.

Perhaps we go out Wednesday sometime and go down to the shops so then I can judge good speakers for you? :smalltongue:

Don't tell me - She's watching Cricket constantly?

[Elemental]

Perhaps we go out Wednesday sometime and go down to the shops so then I can judge good speakers for you? :smalltongue:

Don't tell me - She's watching Cricket constantly?

Sounds like a plan. Otherwise, I have no idea what constitutes good or bad.
I think JB Hi-Fi is right across from my financial institution, which is convenient because I need to make a withdrawal.

When isn't she?

[Mynxae]

Sounds like a plan. Otherwise, I have no idea what constitutes good or bad.
I think JB Hi-Fi is right across from my financial institution, which is convenient because I need to make a withdrawal.

When isn't she?

Handy..

Very true. I don't get it.. Cricket is just so boring for me. :smallsigh: Yet things like Black Butler, Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra, Big Bang Theory and such interest me.

[DraPrime]

One priest for two parishes? The situation is that dire?
You'll need to start up some kind of recruiting drive or something. I suggest borrowing clergy from regions with a surplus.

Both things are currently happening. The problem is that we're at the point where all the priests from the era when you had 60 men getting ordained every year are retiring. That was the biggest boom in ordinations in our 2000 year history. We expanded a lot then, and bit off more than we could chew. Now we're dealing with a serious drop in priests, though things are looking up. The numbers are slowly climbing, and in the mid 20's we should reach replacement rates, and be able to crawl back up again.

[Teddy]

I set out to buy myself some gift wrap, but they were all either childish, tasteless or of the wrong colour, so I had to return empty-handed. I found some books I think I'm going to buy for gifts, however, and another one that I'll wish for as well (this, for once, is a Christmas when I know what I want to get).

And the world continues to be bewitchingly beautiful. The light but continuous snowfall we've had in the last two days stood back, and a humble sun was let forth to colour the sky in rose and champagne. Simple clouds at the distance put up a striking visual of an abstract world beyond, and the biting chill touched my cheeks as a lover's kiss.

And the night brings stars on deep marine, just as the gift wrap I sought to find. Why must that one be so hard to find, it's basically a classic? Oh well, being picky was never intended to be easy...

[LaZodiac]

True, but I'm sure you'll be able to find what you're looking for Teddy!

Also, I've been reading Chobits lately. Clamp makes some wierd, wieeeerd series. Also, work soon!

[CurlyKitGirl]

Cirrus is actually the noun that means "curl", usually in reference to hair. Cirrata is the feminine form of the adjective that means curly. The plural cases of cirrata are cirratae, cirratarum, cirratis, cirratas, cirratis.

Well, I was close?


I'm almost done with the semester, so it's not worth bringing up now. Besides, I know the cure, which is plenty of sleep. This isn't the first time this has happened to me.

Fine but if it happens again I'll find some way to tell on you. No stress-induced illnesses allowed!


As for Latin, it is good but incredibly time consuming. I'm also learning classical Latin which is...weird. The pronunciation is quite different from the Latin that I've prayed with for the past couple years. I was especially sad when I realized that Julius Caesar actually said something that sounds more like "wenee, weedee, weekee" rather than the traditional "veni, vidi, vici". And his last name is pronounced almost exactly like kaiser! The irritating part about this is that if I do end up getting ordained I'll need to put a lot of practice into reverting back to ecclesiastical pronunciation.

There was one awesome thing about learning the classical pronunciation. Do you recall the Dr. Who episode that took place in Pompeii? The Doctor's companion (Donna?) tests out what happens to the universal translator if you speak the local language. She uses ecclesiastical pronunciation, and some Roman responds to her by saying something like "Sorry madam, but I don't speak Celtic." The thing is, ecclesiastical Latin was actually formed in part because of the influence of various barbarian tribes mixing with the Roman peoples, so it could indeed sound like someone speaking Latin with a thick accent from some Celtic tribe. I know that's probably not what the writers of Dr. Who intended, but it's still cool to pretend.

Well, where do you think Kaiser came from? It's a direct descendant from 'Caesar', as are a fair few other regnal titles.
I do admit though that I have a slight preference for ecclesiastical Latin over classical just because I love Church music, and it's my instinctive way of pronouncing the language.
I think Doctor Who was just going for the reverse translation rather than anything to do with differing pronunciation between Latins, especially given that 'The Fires of Pompeii' was set in AD79, so ecclesiastical Latin didn't really exist. That said Latin was the lingua franca of Europe until about three hundred years ago so it is entirely possible the NPC could be hearing very poor Romano-Celtic with a thick 'Celtic' accent.
But only just.


Speaking of old languages, I am proud to say that for my Reformation Theology I read four pages of Lollard stuff in Middle English. The only help I got was the professor explaining the two letters that are different. It was an interesting experience.

Lollard! They were strange people. Although really if you want to approach their beliefs from a more neutral point of view (espec. post- 1430) it's better to say 'Wytcliffite' as by then 'Lollard' was a general name for a heretic. And the word 'lollard' itself was fairly derogatory before that too as it meant 'mumbler' and was used with contempt to denote those who followed Wytcliffe's ideas as poorly educated, or only taught in English; 'Wytcliffite' meant they had an academic background.
That said I do believe that several of the ideas had were good, and that some of their beliefs were certainly founded n truth (corruption of the Church, oy). Also given it was this . . . movement (for want of a better term) that first began to translate the Bible into the vernacular I can only admire them for it. Also: Piers Plowman and Chaucer, so who am I to argue?
As for the different letters I'm assuming eth, thorn and wynne? Wynne being the p-that-is-actually-a-w, eth being the d-with-a-line-that-is-a-soft-th, and thorn being the p-that-is-actually-a-had-th.
Oh! Actually given the movement rose to predominance in the late-C14th you may quite likely have seen the yogh (looks like a curvy z), depending on where the 'Lollard stuff' was written. Given the movement was most influential in the south-east (around East Anglia and Kent) it's doubtful, but really it depends just as much on the origin of the scribe as the location the author was in/origin of the author.
And it does depend on the editor too. Most casual academic stuff tends to fully replace the wynne with a w given it is almost indistinguishable from the modern p.

Also: do you know why Lollards were so frequently depicted as foxes in medieval art?


As for contacting me, my email, skype, and MSN are all listed here. here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=23408).

Excellent[/Mr. Burns]

[QUOTE=Dragonprime;14306862]Hmmm, I don't think that's what I learned about Aristotle. From what I understood the soul is the immaterial principle that takes a body from the potential to be alive, to the actualization of being alive. It is the form of a person, and together with their body it forms their substance, who they are. People are composite beings of body and soul, rather than the Cartesian view that they are minds that happen to be hooked up to bodies.

The thing with multiple psyches sounds a bit like Plato. In his Republic he describes people as having three souls, the appetative, rational, and spirited. Each deals with a separate part of human action. Aristotle looked at that and said that that's all good and well, but you still need one unifying principle in control of them all. Why not call that the soul rather than these three things? You could even count the three souls as part of what really is the soul. I quite like Aristotle's (and by extension Aquinas') view on the soul. It's not as dysfunctional as the Cartesian view, but nor is it purely materialistic. It stands in the middle as a compromise, giving due credit to both soul and body.

Maybe I got them mixed up? I did only study (well, I say study, I mean read) Aristotelian and Platonic theories on the soul for a week or two about two years ago.
I think I did, that's why I started saying soul-psyche thing because I remembered enough of them to know what I was saying wasn't quite right, so went for a compromise between them.
Either way it sounds better than Descartes.


Yeah, the soul thing can be quite baffling. I had a whole semester on the subject, going form the pre-Socratics (the soul is made of fire!) all the way to the post-modernists. It's an issue that theologians and philosophers have argued about for quite a long time. The loss of Aristotle certainly didn't help, since it only really gave Plato and his philosophical descendants a voice, and they are weird. Thomism had a nice dominance on the issue until Descartes through a wrench into the works. :smallsigh:

Soul of Fire . . . I think I read a book called that. Even though it's fairly absurd I can at least see where they're coming from. Also it's quite a poetic thought, and if you consider that most visual depictions of a soul in popular media still show it as a burning bright light, sometimes actually shimmering and wavering like fire or an aurora the imagery has lingered, even if theologians and whatnot don't believe the soul is actually made of fire.

It is a shame that so many schools of Greek thought were left leaving only the Platonic in ascendancy for so long, but I can't really say that I don't like it as a school.
And you and Thomism. You have a great intellectual love for that man and his schools of thought. Admittedly it is very well-thought out.


I wouldn't recommend reading The Concept of Mind unless you are really really really interested in the most common modern critique of Cartesian dualism. Ryle is a modern day linguistic philosopher, which is quite popular in the Anglo-Linguistic tradition, and his kind do not make for interesting reading. They're the kind of people who will write whole essays about whether "He says it, and I do it" and "I do it because he says it" mean the same thing, and if not, how they are different and why it is significant. I suppose if you are really into language (which you are) you may find it interesting. I'm honestly much more intrigued by metaphysics and ethics as far as philosophy goes.

Given my first thought upon reading this paragraph was 'Well, of course those two things are different, the latter one provides a direct and explicit correlation between what is said and what is done, whereas the the former only implies a link where there could just be coincidence or other link.' I am definitely the kind of person who would be interested n that sort of thing.
Not always, because sometimes dry is extremely dry indeed, but you know.


OP stands for "Ordo Praedicatorum". It means "Order of Preachers", which is the name that St. Dominic gave to the Dominican order. They only picked up his name later on after his death. Every religious order has its own set of initials that go after the name of its members. So my professor is Joseph Torchia, OP. My bishop is Sean O'Malley OFM Cap. A Jesuit might have a name like Francis Xavier, SJ. I get no initials though, since I am diocesan rather than in an order.

Order of Friars Minor Capuchin? Fancy.


Aye, they tried so very hard. It's sad to read Descartes, because you can see how very hard he is trying to create a stable philosophy, and it just doesn't really work. I suppose it had to happen, since scholastic philosophy was starting to become bloated, stupid, and useless. Something had to come along and put it out of its misery. It was no longer the great thing it had been in the days of Aquinas, Bonaventure, and Duns Scotus.

Sometimes when a thing is worn to death it's best to just scrap it and start over, particularly if it's been gone over so much there's very little new to say.
Now if only Shakespearian scholars would get off their old horses and mouth some new ones.
I'm not even saying the new stuff has to be good, just new. That's the only way to provoke a discussion: bring up something new and perhaps even controversial. Get people thinking again.


You have no idea how much I've missed doing that. If RB was a ship we would sink it with the weight of our posts.

:biggrin:
And it gets even worse when more people come into the fray. Remember when you were just a little baby pre-seminarian and DeeRee was still around? If only she were here now . . . we'd terrify half of RB away, another third would lurk and post about how confused they were, a sixth would post about walls-o-text cluttering up their RB and the remainder would try to carry on as normal only to find their last post, while only ten posts ago is still two-thirds of the way up the page.


Celibacy...must....maintain....in spite of ridiculously attractive woman.... :smalltongue:

I know. And while Priyanka Chopra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUfwpfJk2qw&feature=related) is beautiful (especially when she smiles, good Lord she's cute, and so perky, but what do you expect from a former Miss World) and Aishwarya Rai (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/aishwarya-rai.jpg) is stunning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7YK7tx-D8&feature=g-vrec&context=G2d9c0e2RVAAAAAAAAAw), my heart still belongs to Madhuri Dixit.

And when it comes to the men . . . Shah Rukh Khan is made of fanservice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKs83ZQxYKA&ob=av3e), Hrithik Roshan (the sulky man in the Gun GUn Guna video) is just unf! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PTxR-CZlWg&feature=related) (And the woman is Aishwarya Rai I believe) He also has really long legs and is an amazing dancer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz7YK7tx-D8&feature=g-vrec&context=G2d9c0e2RVAAAAAAAAAw)


*sigh*

My essay has only a little bit over three pages done. The problem is that currently I have to explain Descartes' position, and that's boring. I can't wait until I actually get to my critique. That's still a good seven pages away. Blargh.

Well, if you push on you'll get to the good stuff. And by now you'll probably be at the good stuff too.


Yeah. They're the only classes I have that I actually like right now, though (besides theatre). I have to take an English class and a Civics class to graduate, and they are mind-numbingly boring. :smallannoyed:

Hey! As an English Language and Literature student I object! Certainly there are period were it is duller than dishwater, but mostly it's a hotbed of intrigue, bickering and all kinds of interesting things.
I don't even know what Civics is though, so I'll just nod sagely. And thymely.


I would jump in on this Enlightenment philosophy conversation, but I remember so very little of it.

Do it anyway. I've never been formally educated in it, so discussing my own readings with someone who actually knows what they're talking about is doubly good for the teacher, the learner and the eavesdroppers.


Secondly. I am gone the whole day and you don't even finish one page, even with the return of Dragonprime. For shame, RB thread. For shame.

Well I haven't been well and was getting ready for bed! Also I didn't want to distract DP from his essay!



Anyways, you don't need me to feel smart. Just read where I get all my stuff from. Start with something like Plato's Apology. It's good stuff.

That was one of the first pure philosophy books I ever read. It is good stuff. You've got to take it with a pinch of salt though as it's only the reported happenings of Socrates' trial and such, but it's still good.
Not to say all his stuff is though . . . *side eyes The Republic*



The problem is that most philosophers are atrocious writers. They're brilliant, but they lack any style. Plato happens to actually be enjoyable to read. He writes everything in the format of a dialogue between Socrates and several other people. Socrates is depicted as an amusingly sarcastic man, so it can be enjoyable to see him poke fun at the silliness of other people. Besides that, there's an actual plot to them. The Apology is actually Plato's account of Socrates' trial. The Phaedo depicts his final words before his execution. If you just want to learn the history of Socrates, Plato is the man to go to.

And this is why I read Sophie's World first. It's a very good philosophy primer tied into a meta-narrative mystery about meta-narratives. Or something. It's just a good read.
The style is a key reason I'm not all that well-read on post-C16th philosophy and such though, they just got very pompous around about the time James came to the throne. That and I like a bit of dialogue in my philosophical texts. Or at least poetry. I love Chaucer's Boece for instance, to the point where I prefer it most of the time to the De Consolatione Philosophiae. That and Middle English is easier to read than Alfredian prosimetrics when one is in a casual mood.

Plus it's very hard to get me out of the medieval period anyway so.

[Teddy]

True, but I'm sure you'll be able to find what you're looking for Teddy!

Hopefully, yes. I'll have to make a sweep on another frontier soon, as time isn't entirely on my side. Oh well, I should be able to do it, and some more, with but a silver tongue and some prioritisations...

ION:
Also, we had glögg premiere here in the house today. A dark, emberly fluid to warm my heart and thaw my soul, bring joy and harmony.

[Amidus Drexel]

Hey! As an English Language and Literature student I object! Certainly there are period were it is duller than dishwater, but mostly it's a hotbed of intrigue, bickering and all kinds of interesting things.

I don't even know what Civics is though, so I'll just nod sagely. And thymely.

Do it anyway. I've never been formally educated in it, so discussing my own readings with someone who actually knows what they're talking about is doubly good for the teacher, the learner and the eavesdroppers.


The class was advertised as British Literature and was not, in fact, anything of the sort. The closest we got to British Literature was reading Beowulf at the beginning of the semester, and then the rest of it has been my instructor talking about grammar. :smallannoyed: If the class wasn't painfully easy I'd be taking something else more interesting.

Government and politics; I forget what the course is actually called. I might like that class if I didn't already know most of the material, or if any of my classmates were willing to argue with me (I have far too much fun dragging everyone off topic :smallamused:)

I think I'll just eavesdrop for now; the only thing I've recognized so far are some of the philosopher's names.

ION: I filmed a Christmas parade for my town this morning. Apparently, some people don't see a camera and think "He has a camera; we should get out of his way." :smallannoyed: I had to move about four times (eventually ending up in the road) to get a clean shot of the proceedings. I hope they're happy with the video, though. If I do this next year, I'll just start out in the road.

On the plus side, free candy! :smallcool:

[AsteriskAmp]

Sadly enough we have shortages all around, in both orders and dioceses. My diocese has currently projected that around 2021 (three years after I will be ordained) we will be down to almost one priest per two parishes. It does not bode well for us. There are a few dioceses and orders that are doing well, but not in my part of the country.That is most saddening, a dire situation it seems.


And the world continues to be bewitchingly beautiful. The light but continuous snowfall we've had in the last two days stood back, and a humble sun was let forth to colour the sky in rose and champagne. Simple clouds at the distance put up a striking visual of an abstract world beyond, and the biting chill touched my cheeks as a lover's kiss.

And the night brings stars on deep marine, just as the gift wrap I sought to find. Why must that one be so hard to find, it's basically a classic? Oh well, being picky was never intended to be easy...Meanwhile as winter rears on the north, we get spring down here, the flowers blooming, the sun warm but not incandescent and Christmas traditional beach season seems near.

You could always order the paper from Amazon or e-bay if it's rather specific.

[DraPrime]

Fine but if it happens again I'll find some way to tell on you. No stress-induced illnesses allowed!

Fear not, for vacation is on the horizon.


Well, where do you think Kaiser came from? It's a direct descendant from 'Caesar', as are a fair few other regnal titles.

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure that Caesar originally meant "hairy" in Latin. The word "caesaries" is simply the word for hair. Apparently people often made fun of Caesar for having that name, since he himself was balding.


I do admit though that I have a slight preference for ecclesiastical Latin over classical just because I love Church music, and it's my instinctive way of pronouncing the language.

I just like the fact that the letter V isn't pronounced like a W. It just sound better. There's also a lot more "ch" and "j" sounds in ecclesiastical, which I like. Perhaps I'm partly biased because I grew up speaking a Slavic language, which is overloaded with these sorts of sounds.


Lollard! They were strange people. Although really if you want to approach their beliefs from a more neutral point of view (espec. post- 1430) it's better to say 'Wytcliffite' as by then 'Lollard' was a general name for a heretic. And the word 'lollard' itself was fairly derogatory before that too as it meant 'mumbler' and was used with contempt to denote those who followed Wytcliffe's ideas as poorly educated, or only taught in English; 'Wytcliffite' meant they had an academic background.

Can I just call them British Hussites? :smalltongue:


That said I do believe that several of the ideas had were good, and that some of their beliefs were certainly founded n truth (corruption of the Church, oy). Also given it was this . . . movement (for want of a better term) that first began to translate the Bible into the vernacular I can only admire them for it. Also: Piers Plowman and Chaucer, so who am I to argue?

I admit, I don't totally disagree with them. There is something to be said for getting rid of corruption and such. It's just that unlike some other reformers John Wycliffe just sort of jumped off the deep end theologically. And they can keep their English translation. I'm a classics minor, so I'll be enjoying it in Greek soon enough. :smalltongue:



As for the different letters I'm assuming eth, thorn and wynne? Wynne being the p-that-is-actually-a-w, eth being the d-with-a-line-that-is-a-soft-th, and thorn being the p-that-is-actually-a-had-th.
Oh! Actually given the movement rose to predominance in the late-C14th you may quite likely have seen the yogh (looks like a curvy z), depending on where the 'Lollard stuff' was written. Given the movement was most influential in the south-east (around East Anglia and Kent) it's doubtful, but really it depends just as much on the origin of the scribe as the location the author was in/origin of the author.
And it does depend on the editor too. Most casual academic stuff tends to fully replace the wynne with a w given it is almost indistinguishable from the modern p.

I believe it was just two letters, the thorn and wynne. I'm rather sad that the thorn is gone. It has such an awesome name, and it looks rather nice too.


Also: do you know why Lollards were so frequently depicted as foxes in medieval art?

Can't say I do. Did they like to live in hedges?


Soul of Fire . . . I think I read a book called that. Even though it's fairly absurd I can at least see where they're coming from. Also it's quite a poetic thought, and if you consider that most visual depictions of a soul in popular media still show it as a burning bright light, sometimes actually shimmering and wavering like fire or an aurora the imagery has lingered, even if theologians and whatnot don't believe the soul is actually made of fire.

Well, I suppose that's better than following Thales who thought the whole world was made of water. Or worse yet, the atomists, who thought it was a ton of microscopic spheres distributed throughout your body. Since the sphere is the most mobile of shapes, it is able to move you, to animate you, because that's totally how reality works. Also, fire is a bit more of a pretty image than just water or tiny spheres.


It is a shame that so many schools of Greek thought were left leaving only the Platonic in ascendancy for so long, but I can't really say that I don't like it as a school.

Platonism is alright. There are certainly worse schools of philosophy one could follow (Nietzsche). I take issue with his metaphysics, since he believes that universals (or rather, forms) somehow exist in their own right. So the qualities that constitute what a dog is exist in some immaterial metaphysically perfect way, and all dogs are merely shadows of the form of dog. In the middle ages they got very heated about this issue, because some pointed out that this sort of collapses reality. All dogs are really just extensions of the single perfect dog, so that means that they are all really part of the same thing. Reality becomes nothing but the universals. Aristotle simply makes the forms real, but actually in things, which works better.


And you and Thomism. You have a great intellectual love for that man and his schools of thought. Admittedly it is very well-thought out.

What can I say? I'm trained by Dominicans. Their stained glass window of St. Thomas Aquinas is bigger than the one of their founder. They love the guy. That and he's just so...sensible. He's straightforward and rarely pulls some sort of semantic sleight of hand, unlike some other scholastics (Ockham). His system is so refreshingly crisp and clear, and I love the system in which he writes. He isn't called the Angelic Doctor for nothing.


Given my first thought upon reading this paragraph was 'Well, of course those two things are different, the latter one provides a direct and explicit correlation between what is said and what is done, whereas the the former only implies a link where there could just be coincidence or other link.' I am definitely the kind of person who would be interested n that sort of thing.
Not always, because sometimes dry is extremely dry indeed, but you know.

You are more courageous than I. I think Wittgenstein might be your kind of guy.


Order of Friars Minor Capuchin? Fancy.

You know what OFM Cap stands for? I'm impressed. And yes, the man is a Capuchin. Even though he's a cardinal he still dresses like one (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/Cardinal_O%27Malley_20090813.JPG). It's always amusing to see a friar walking around wearing a pectoral cross and red zuchetto. It's quite the combination.


:biggrin:
And it gets even worse when more people come into the fray. Remember when you were just a little baby pre-seminarian and DeeRee was still around? If only she were here now . . . we'd terrify half of RB away, another third would lurk and post about how confused they were, a sixth would post about walls-o-text cluttering up their RB and the remainder would try to carry on as normal only to find their last post, while only ten posts ago is still two-thirds of the way up the page.

One day. :smallamused:


Well, if you push on you'll get to the good stuff. And by now you'll probably be at the good stuff too.

Indeed I am. I'm currently citing my professor. Take that Descartes! You and your lack of psychosomatic unity can go home.


Do it anyway. I've never been formally educated in it, so discussing my own readings with someone who actually knows what they're talking about is doubly good for the teacher, the learner and the eavesdroppers.

Agreed, it's the fun way of doing it.


That was one of the first pure philosophy books I ever read. It is good stuff. You've got to take it with a pinch of salt though as it's only the reported happenings of Socrates' trial and such, but it's still good.
Not to say all his stuff is though . . . *side eyes The Republic*

Indeed, there are some doubts regarding how reliable a narrator Plato is. His earlier stuff is generally regarded as more faithful to Socrates. Once you get into his later writings Socrates is merely a mouthpiece.

I was going to get all defensive of The Republic because it is such a classic, but I realized that I have never actually read it beyond the first twenty pages. Funny, given that it is such an incredibly important book. All I know is that this is where


And this is why I read Sophie's World first. It's a very good philosophy primer tied into a meta-narrative mystery about meta-narratives. Or something. It's just a good read.
The style is a key reason I'm not all that well-read on post-C16th philosophy and such though, they just got very pompous around about the time James came to the throne. That and I like a bit of dialogue in my philosophical texts. Or at least poetry. I love Chaucer's Boece for instance, to the point where I prefer it most of the time to the De Consolatione Philosophiae. That and Middle English is easier to read than Alfredian prosimetrics when one is in a casual mood.

Plus it's very hard to get me out of the medieval period anyway so.

But...but...Boethius is the best! :smalleek:

Well, maybe not the best, but he is incredibly awesome.

Essay Progress Report:

I have finished my exposition of Descartes's position on the self. Now I'm giving the positions of my sources. I can roughly summarize what I'm eventually going to say with the following quote from one of my sources:

"While Descartes acknowledges that mind and body constitute the ‘real man,’ the body is wholly distinct from the mind. For all practical purposes, the body is no more than a mechanism (albeit a highly sophisticatd one) completely devoid of any psychic presence. But if mind and body are distinct as substances and natures, then how can we experience their mutual influence on each other? Descartes’ dualism, in effect, falsifies the very unity that interaction between mind and body presupposes."

Onwards, to more writing!


That is most saddening, a dire situation it seems.

Indeed. Such is the ecclesia Americana.

[AsteriskAmp]

Indeed. Such is the ecclesia Americana.Eclessia Norte-Americana.

South and Central America have the CELAM and a different situation, for both good and bad.

[Mutant Sheep]

Well, where do you think Kaiser came from? It's a direct descendant from 'Caesar', as are a fair few other regnal titles.
I do admit though that I have a slight preference for ecclesiastical Latin over classical just because I love Church music, and it's my instinctive way of pronouncing the language.Well, we all knows THAT Curls. :smalltongue:
*goes into trying to respond to DragonPrime as well, but without quoting him because he already spent ten minutes just TRIMMING CURLY'S POST TO A RESPONDABLE SIZE.:smallmad::smallbiggrin:*
I too, was annoyed when my Latin instructor taught us veni vedi vici pronunciation. I was all "MISLEADING" and he was all "BLAME BRITAIN".

The pronouncing of Caesar, I was always good on. I always say ar's that way, and saying Caesar like Seeser had me ignore the pronunciation I learned in my youth.

That said I do believe that several of the ideas had were good, and that some of their beliefs were certainly founded n truth (corruption of the Church, oy). Also given it was this . . . movement (for want of a better term) that first began to translate the Bible into the vernacular I can only admire them for it. Also: Piers Plowman and Chaucer, so who am I to argue?
As for the different letters I'm assuming eth, thorn and wynne? Wynne being the p-that-is-actually-a-w, eth being the d-with-a-line-that-is-a-soft-th, and thorn being the p-that-is-actually-a-had-th.
Oh! Actually given the movement rose to predominance in the late-C14th you may quite likely have seen the yogh (looks like a curvy z), depending on where the 'Lollard stuff' was written. Given the movement was most influential in the south-east (around East Anglia and Kent) it's doubtful, but really it depends just as much on the origin of the scribe as the location the author was in/origin of the author.
And it does depend on the editor too. Most casual academic stuff tends to fully replace the wynne with a w given it is almost indistinguishable from the modern p.Pretty much everyone has SOME good ideas. The presence of some reasonable thought, even when it is a time devoid of logic, does not respectable make. :smalltongue:

AUGH YE OLDE INGLIS! SPAIN, GO INVADE THEM AND MAKE THEM STAY ROMANTIC! :smallbiggrin:


As for contacting me, my email, skype, and MSN are all listed here. here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?u=23408).... FOOL. I have the option of pestering you!:smalltongue: (Also, since I havent been here for the past few days and didn't get to say it...*breathes in deeply* HI DP! :smalltongue:



Either way it sounds better than Descartes. To be honest, most things do, to me. I blame my difficulty even getting through him.




Soul of Fire . . . I think I read a book called that. Even though it's fairly absurd I can at least see where they're coming from. Also it's quite a poetic thought, and if you consider that most visual depictions of a soul in popular media still show it as a burning bright light, sometimes actually shimmering and wavering like fire or an aurora the imagery has lingered, even if theologians and whatnot don't believe the soul is actually made of fire.

And it gets even worse when more people come into the fray. Remember when you were just a little baby pre-seminarian and DeeRee was still around? If only she were here now . . . we'd terrify half of RB away, another third would lurk and post about how confused they were, a sixth would post about walls-o-text cluttering up their RB and the remainder would try to carry on as normal only to find their last post, while only ten posts ago is still two-thirds of the way up the page.
Plus it's very hard to get me out of the medieval period anyway so.It is very stirring imagery, that everyone, including pyrophobes, can agree on. :smalltongue:

Ohhhhhhh Olden Daaaaaaaaaaaays. I was not there theeeeeeen.:smalltongue: I cannot truely comment on this, except I would probably post my confusion and try to converse with both you and the remaining people, only to find everyone left half an hour ago becuase I took a HOUR TO WRITE A POST. :smallfrown::smallbiggrin:

IT IS VERY VERY HARD.:smallwink:

[DraPrime]

*goes into trying to respond to DragonPrime as well, but without quoting him because he already spent ten minutes just TRIMMING CURLY'S POST TO A RESPONDABLE SIZE.:smallmad::smallbiggrin:*
I too, was annoyed when my Latin instructor taught us veni vedi vici pronunciation. I was all "MISLEADING" and he was all "BLAME BRITAIN".

Blame Charlemagne. Much of the pronunciation of ecclesiastical Latin formed in his time, which is why we pronounce "veni, vidi, vici" the way we do."


AUGH YE OLDE INGLIS! SPAIN, GO INVADE THEM AND MAKE THEM STAY ROMANTIC! :smallbiggrin:

>_>

<_<

Go Spanish armada! For Catherine of Aragon and Mary Tudor!


... FOOL. I have the option of pestering you!:smalltongue: (Also, since I havent been here for the past few days and didn't get to say it...*breathes in deeply* HI DP! :smalltongue:

Salve Mutant Ovis!

[Amidus Drexel]

It is very stirring imagery, that everyone, including pyrophobes, can agree on. :smalltongue:

Ohhhhhhh Olden Daaaaaaaaaaaays. I was not there theeeeeeen.:smalltongue: I cannot truely comment on this, except I would probably post my confusion and try to converse with both you and the remaining people, only to find everyone left half an hour ago becuase I took a HOUR TO WRITE A POST. :smallfrown::smallbiggrin:

IT IS VERY VERY HARD.:smallwink:

There are people irrationally afraid of fire? (I suppose it's a matter of probability... someone probably is.) Fire is fascinating. There is a certain poetry in the way that things burn that I cannot describe in words. I can't fathom being afraid of it in anything more than a cautionary sense.

Heh, taking your time to post is only a problem if you don't go back and edit in responses to the people that ninja you.

It wouldn't be a problem if it didn't take an hour to read through your posts. :smalltongue:



Go Spanish armada! For Catherine of Aragon and Mary Tudor!


Pfft, the spanish had no hope of invading England.

Also, you've reminded me of a very good song that I must now go listen to.

[CurlyKitGirl]

The class was advertised as British Literature and was not, in fact, anything of the sort. The closest we got to British Literature was reading Beowulf at the beginning of the semester, and then the rest of it has been my instructor talking about grammar. :smallannoyed: If the class wasn't painfully easy I'd be taking something else more interesting.

Then it's not a literature course, it's a language course and should have been indicated as such. Unless you read Beowulf in Old English and then the grammar discussed was Old English grammar, but even then it would require more than a few small extracts of one text to constitute it being anything more than a poorly constructed class in Old English philology seeing as it doesn't seem like you read any other Old English works.
Potentially i could have been a philology class in diachronic linguistics - that's if you studied the evolution of the English language over a period of time.
But that's me rambling.
My question is thus: Beowulf in the original language (or at least an editor's interpretation of the original text) or in translation? Who was the editor/translator? Was it Heaney? Because Heaneywulf is extremely different to Beowulf?

And not to toot my own horn, but if the class is as dull as it seems, you could probably learn more about 'British literature' (there's a reason for those quote marks) by reading these posts, and probably a lot of my posts in the last . . . three years. Well, I've always rambled about books, but the last three years I was in uni doing it.


Government and politics; I forget what the course is actually called. I might like that class if I didn't already know most of the material, or if any of my classmates were willing to argue with me (I have far too much fun dragging everyone off topic :smallamused:)

Bleh. Politics bores me. The modern stuff at least. By modern I mean post-1900 for the most part.


I think I'll just eavesdrop for now; the only thing I've recognized so far are some of the philosopher's names.

At least you're learning something. A fair number of times when I'm chatting with DP I find myself floundering in pleasantly academic waters and then resorting to Wikipedia for the basics.


ION: I filmed a Christmas parade for my town this morning. Apparently, some people don't see a camera and think "He has a camera; we should get out of his way." :smallannoyed: I had to move about four times (eventually ending up in the road) to get a clean shot of the proceedings. I hope they're happy with the video, though. If I do this next year, I'll just start out in the road.

On the plus side, free candy! :smallcool:

People don't often look at cameras and things, they only want to get a better view. Not always, but often enough to be annoying.
And free sweets are always good.


Fear not, for vacation is on the horizon.

Hooray!


The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure that Caesar originally meant "hairy" in Latin. The word "caesaries" is simply the word for hair. Apparently people often made fun of Caesar for having that name, since he himself was balding.

Well he appropriated it, and in doing so it became a tradition for Roman emperors (Augustus, not Caesar himself) to title themselves Caesar, so the word itself became synonymous with Imperial Roman might and culture, and thus something to strive for. Naturally they glossed over the lunacy the later Emerors had.


I just like the fact that the letter V isn't pronounced like a W. It just sound better. There's also a lot more "ch" and "j" sounds in ecclesiastical, which I like. Perhaps I'm partly biased because I grew up speaking a Slavic language, which is overloaded with these sorts of sounds.

CUltural biases are cultural biases and it is from them that we get our preferences. Just yesterday evening my Elder Little Brother was told that he was twenty so he was more than old enough to start drinking tea. Whether he liked it or not.
Hell, the reason I started liking tea (because I'm not a big fan of English breakfast) was because I was in brittany on a French exchange trip and the host mother said (translated) "Of course you'll have some tea, you're British I bought it just for you." and well, I couldn't really refuse could I?
I'm British, I'm too polite to refuse food/drink unless I'm allergic to it or it's coffee!


Can I just call them British Hussites? :smalltongue:

Oh you. :smalltongue:


I admit, I don't totally disagree with them. There is something to be said for getting rid of corruption and such. It's just that unlike some other reformers John Wycliffe just sort of jumped off the deep end theologically. And they can keep their English translation. I'm a classics minor, so I'll be enjoying it in Greek soon enough. :smalltongue:

Bah. You Classicists with your ancient languages in which so many important texts are written. You have no appreciation for the common languages you snooty academics!
That said, one of the issues with Lollards and Wytcliffites both is that there was no real unified group, so while there were general themes that the majority of Lollards/Wytcliffites agreed upon, the extent to which they did, and how important they were to each individual group varied drastically.


I believe it was just two letters, the thorn and wynne. I'm rather sad that the thorn is gone. It has such an awesome name, and it looks rather nice too.

It's also a rather useful abbreviation tool if you know the manuscript forms as well. I know that after my year group started learning Old English certain letters, abbreviations and whatnot started appearing n our notes because it made things easier and faster to write. Especially when it came to writing marginalia.
My notes typically used the extremely small amount of logical/mathematical notation, a little bit of Japanese, IPA when I didn't know the correct spelling, Old English, Old French, French and letters/phrases from all over the English language.


Can't say I do. Did they like to live in hedges?

It's a bit of Church propaganda based upon popular medieval literature, specifically beast fables and fabliaux. In stories like The History of Reynard the Fox or Robert Henryson's Morall Fabilis of Esope the Phrygian (c. 1480s) the fox is a 'preacher' luring the goose/lamb/whatever closer and closer with its falsehoods until it devours its prey. The moral being: the foolish are seduced by false doctrine.
Fascinating stuff isn't it.


Well, I suppose that's better than following Thales who thought the whole world was made of water. Or worse yet, the atomists, who thought it was a ton of microscopic spheres distributed throughout your body. Since the sphere is the most mobile of shapes, it is able to move you, to animate you, because that's totally how reality works. Also, fire is a bit more of a pretty image than just water or tiny spheres.

I remember those two! The atomists were kind of spoony even to my thirteen year old self who was taking her first steps into philosophy. I could see the logic behind their ideas, but the ideas really just didn't work.


Platonism is alright. There are certainly worse schools of philosophy one could follow (Nietzsche). I take issue with his metaphysics, since he believes that universals (or rather, forms) somehow exist in their own right. So the qualities that constitute what a dog is exist in some immaterial metaphysically perfect way, and all dogs are merely shadows of the form of dog. In the middle ages they got very heated about this issue, because some pointed out that this sort of collapses reality. All dogs are really just extensions of the single perfect dog, so that means that they are all really part of the same thing. Reality becomes nothing but the universals. Aristotle simply makes the forms real, but actually in things, which works better.

Do not talk to me about Neitzsche. Or Sartre. And existentialism in general.
:smallfrown: But I like the Cave Theory thing, it's very good imagery. But well, form should not be exclusively preferred over substance. That and it's a very easy bit of extremely influential philosophy to remember so it kind of stuck with me throughout my studies.
Aristotle then would take the cookie cutter form and place it inside the thing.


What can I say? I'm trained by Dominicans. Their stained glass window of St. Thomas Aquinas is bigger than the one of their founder. They love the guy. That and he's just so...sensible. He's straightforward and rarely pulls some sort of semantic sleight of hand, unlike some other scholastics (Ockham). His system is so refreshingly crisp and clear, and I love the system in which he writes. He isn't called the Angelic Doctor for nothing.

Beauty in simplicity. I'm still not as familiar with him as I'd like, fortunately it has been hinted to me that a certain relative has acquired my List of Coveted Things, and as this relative knows someone with a PhD in Music and Philosophy, I have hope for a few interesting books.


You are more courageous than I. I think Wittgenstein might be your kind of guy.

I love words. And now, to Google! Because while I remember him from some of our RB-breaking chats, it's been a while.


You know what OFM Cap stands for? I'm impressed. And yes, the man is a Capuchin. Even though he's a cardinal he still dresses like one (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/Cardinal_O%27Malley_20090813.JPG). It's always amusing to see a friar walking around wearing a pectoral cross and red zuchetto. It's quite the combination.

Logic and memory. If OP is Order of the Preachers, then OF should mean Order of the Friars, or Order of the Franciscan Monks. But the latter didn't explain Cap, and I know the Capuchins are a slightly less well-known order, and they weren't cloistered, so friars. So Order of the Friars M_ Capuchin, and then because it wasn't one of the Big Orders I guessed Minor.
Also I remember you said one of your fellow priests over there was a Capuchin, and I thought it might have been your bishop, so guessing.


One day. :smallamused:

Oh yes, one day soon. Fingers crossed. And we could even try to get the guy doing the ASCN in Cambridge and iall sorts of people in on this.


Indeed I am. I'm currently citing my professor. Take that Descartes! You and your lack of psychosomatic unity can go home.

Ten pages down, seven to go then? Well, by the time I post this . . . essay it'll probably be twelve pages down.


Agreed, it's the fun way of doing it.

It's almost the Socratic method! And if Socrates did it, of course it's good and fun!


Indeed, there are some doubts regarding how reliable a narrator Plato is. His earlier stuff is generally regarded as more faithful to Socrates. Once you get into his later writings Socrates is merely a mouthpiece.

I was going to get all defensive of The Republic because it is such a classic, but I realized that I have never actually read it beyond the first twenty pages. Funny, given that it is such an incredibly important book. All I know is that this is where

Where what? You got cut off it seems.
But yes, back when I did Classics we spent most of an hour debating the unreliability of Plato based off of that very point.
And while I agree The Republic is a classic, doesn't mean it's necessarily good (Thomas Hardy I will resent you and ninety percent of everything you've ever written until the end of time you hatingly miserable man). I will admit it's worth reading, but I never was able to get into it or make it click.


But...but...Boethius is the best! :smalleek:

Well, maybe not the best, but he is incredibly awesome.

Yes, he is and I like the translations just as much. King Alfred the Great translated Boethius and added his own commentary to it! HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE THAT?! And Boethius' writing style lends itself so well the Old English prose! And given how prominent Boethius' imagery was in medieval writings it's more than worth reading translations to see:
1. Translation ethics
2. Why Jeun de Meun's version said X where Chaucer said Y even though Chaucer used Jeun de Meun as a source
3. Where authors/scribes added their own thoughts to Boethius' own and trace philosophical thoughts
4. what is missed out and what is kept and what needs to be explained


Essay Progress Report:

I have finished my exposition of Descartes's position on the self. Now I'm giving the positions of my sources. I can roughly summarize what I'm eventually going to say with the following quote from one of my sources:

"While Descartes acknowledges that mind and body constitute the ‘real man,’ the body is wholly distinct from the mind. For all practical purposes, the body is no more than a mechanism (albeit a highly sophisticatd one) completely devoid of any psychic presence. But if mind and body are distinct as substances and natures, then how can we experience their mutual influence on each other? Descartes’ dualism, in effect, falsifies the very unity that interaction between mind and body presupposes."

Onwards, to more writing!

Hooray!
Have a celebratory cyber-drink on me!

On that note it's Christmas, and I have been commissioned by my parents to get Elder Little Brother drunk. And, where possible, get him drunk on things a typical squaddie would drink.
because apparently the drinks I drink are girly?
I never thought vodka and coke was girly, but I do see how one might think malibu and coke is girly.
So recommend me manly man drinks that you think the both of us would like. And yes, I probably will drink him under the table seeing as I can't seem to get drunk.
Me, I'l drink most things, can't stand whisky or whiskey though.

[Dimonite]

Curly. You. Are. A. Madman.

Seriously, the quote button on your post doesn't work because it's too long. Also, you QUINTUPLE posted. Somehow. *goes slowly insane*

EDIT: either you fixed it or my computer only THOUGHT you quintuple posted because it was driven insane by the length of your post. And now the quote button works, possibly because I was clicking quote on a nonexistent post before. I'm a little confused right now, but my evaluation of you as a madman stands.

[Amidus Drexel]

Curly. You. Are. A. Madman.

Seriously, the quote button on your post doesn't work because it's too long. Also, you QUINTUPLE posted. Somehow. *goes slowly insane*

EDIT: either you fixed it or my computer only THOUGHT you quintuple posted because it was driven insane by the length of your post. And now the quote button works, possibly because I was clicking quote on a nonexistent post before. I'm a little confused right now, but my evaluation of you as a madman stands.

Curly at least double-posted. I didn't see five, though. He probably deleted the one you were trying to quote.



My question is thus: Beowulf in the original language (or at least an editor's interpretation of the original text) or in translation? Who was the editor/translator? Was it Heaney? Because Heaneywulf is extremely different to Beowulf?

And not to toot my own horn, but if the class is as dull as it seems, you could probably learn more about 'British literature' (there's a reason for those quote marks) by reading these posts, and probably a lot of my posts in the last . . . three years. Well, I've always rambled about books, but the last three years I was in uni doing it.

Bleh. Politics bores me. The modern stuff at least. By modern I mean post-1900 for the most part.

At least you're learning something. A fair number of times when I'm chatting with DP I find myself floundering in pleasantly academic waters and then resorting to Wikipedia for the basics.

People don't often look at cameras and things, they only want to get a better view. Not always, but often enough to be annoying.
And free sweets are always good.


I'm sure it was a translation (and I think there was a bit missing from it, too), as all of the words were recognizable to me (I being relatively unacquainted with middle and old english). I don't know which translation it was, though.

I probably have, just from skimming what's been said in the past two hours. :smallamused:

Modern politics (is/are) fun to argue about, but only if you can find someone that is well-informed and good at arguing. It really annoys me that the only one of my friends that has a decent grasp on how to debate has views so very similar to mine.

Indeed. It's hard to go wrong with candy.

[CurlyKitGirl]

Well, we all knows THAT Curls. :smalltongue:
*goes into trying to respond to DragonPrime as well, but without quoting him because he already spent ten minutes just TRIMMING CURLY'S POST TO A RESPONDABLE SIZE.:smallmad::smallbiggrin:*

v.v
Sowwy.
But I have so many things to say to what DP said that it always gets a little bit out of hand! It's not my fault he's so interesting to talk to!
Besides, I spent over an hour responding to his entire post! Okay, that's a lot.


I too, was annoyed when my Latin instructor taught us veni vedi vici pronunciation. I was all "MISLEADING" and he was all "BLAME BRITAIN".
The pronouncing of Caesar, I was always good on. I always say ar's that way, and saying Caesar like Seeser had me ignore the pronunciation I learned in my youth.

Oh yes, blame Britain for everything! It's always their fault! Next thing you'll be blaming us for the Spice Girls! Oh wait . . .
Next thing you'll be blaming us for the Franco-Prussian war!


Pretty much everyone has SOME good ideas. The presence of some reasonable thought, even when it is a time devoid of logic, does not respectable make. :smalltongue:

True that, mostly it's just when they extend things along a train a thought that they go all wonky and start to make sense.
Silly logic making things not work.


AUGH YE OLDE INGLIS! SPAIN, GO INVADE THEM AND MAKE THEM STAY ROMANTIC! :smallbiggrin:

NEVAR! We will never be Romantic!
And if you think that's 'old' English you don't want to see Old English. That's extra-Germanic. smallsmugface:


To be honest, most things do, to me. I blame my difficulty even getting through him.

He's French, what else can you say? smalltongue


It is very stirring imagery, that everyone, including pyrophobes, can agree on. :smalltongue:

Indeed. Good thing Cassie's not here otherwise she'd turn the fire into nukes somehow.


Ohhhhhhh Olden Daaaaaaaaaaaays. I was not there theeeeeeen.:smalltongue: I cannot truly comment on this, except I would probably post my confusion and try to converse with both you and the remaining people, only to find everyone left half an hour ago becuase I took a HOUR TO WRITE A POST. :smallfrown::smallbiggrin:

IT IS VERY VERY HARD.:smallwink:

DeeRee's a bit like me and DP, except with history (especially Welsh) and anthropology. And her verbosity tends to incline to more to mine then not.
Oh I miss her.
And yes, that situation did (and still does) happen quite a bit because you want to respond to all the bit that interest you, but there's so much of it, and sometimes it requires research or in-depth explanations and next thing you know you've been writing for eighty minutes (as I did with DP's previous post) and you keep having to scroll down to remember the context.

Totally worth it though.
But then you post it, and realise there's several other posters now in on the topics and you want to talk to them so you go back and edit-quote your wall-o-text into a mountain and then you think 'Oh, that is rather big isn't it?'. Still worth it.


Blame Charlemagne. Much of the pronunciation of ecclesiastical Latin formed in his time, which is why we pronounce "veni, vidi, vici" the way we do."

Finally someone recognises the truth! Seriously, without him we'd . . . miss a lot. He was a badass who instituted all these educational, religious and political reforms, was the first Holy Roman Emperor and just generally rocked people's socks. I really should should the Gesta Karoli Magni in full some time.
Plus he's such a badass in Le Chanson de Roland.


>_>

<_<

Go Spanish armada! For Catherine of Aragon and Mary Tudor!

I heard that DP!
Besides, they weren't so much upset at the personal offence as they were at the religious ones otherwise they would have done it earlier, perhaps when the Great Divorce was ongoing.


There are people irrationally afraid of fire? (I suppose it's a matter of probability... someone probably is.) Fire is fascinating. There is a certain poetry in the way that things burn that I cannot describe in words. I can't fathom being afraid of it in anything more than a cautionary sense.

Fire is very meditative, and rather soothing in a controlled state.


Heh, taking your time to post is only a problem if you don't go back and edit in responses to the people that ninja you.

It wouldn't be a problem if it didn't take an hour to read through your posts. :smalltongue:

Hey! If my computer wasn't so laggy it wouldn't take so long! And I go back and edit things in because tend to break things when I post!
And it's laggy for no reason at all!


Pfft, the spanish had no hope of invading England.

Also, you've reminded me of a very good song that I must now go listen to.

If I remember rightly the English pronounced it God's will because if he didn't approve of things he'd have let the Armada land.
Land somewhere important given they landed oh . . . two or three miles away from where I lived, burnt, sacked and pillaged the local area and then left.
There was even a prophecy about it too.

Whcih song?


Curly. You. Are. A. Madman.

Seriously, the quote button on your post doesn't work because it's too long. Also, you QUINTUPLE posted. Somehow. *goes slowly insane*

EDIT: either you fixed it or my computer only THOUGHT you quintuple posted because it was driven insane by the length of your post. And now the quote button works, possibly because I was clicking quote on a nonexistent post before. I'm a little confused right now, but my evaluation of you as a madman stands.

My computer has become horrifically laggy for the past two days, and when I hit the submit button I had a terrible glitch that submitted the post seven times. I pushed the submit button twice.

And I'll have you know I'm only slightly mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-3seZSQ_Q&ob=av3e),also if that was referring to the length of my posts I'll have you know I've written longer ones! Sometimes as many as a dozen that length and more in a single day!
When I talk I talk. And ramble. It's something of a problem, but I'm informed most people take some enjoyment from these walls-o-texts. Perhaps I should coin a word for these posts of mine . . .

[Dimonite]

My computer has become horrifically laggy for the past two days, and when I hit the submit button I had a terrible glitch that submitted the post seven times. I pushed the submit button twice.

And I'll have you know I'm only slightly mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-3seZSQ_Q&ob=av3e),also if that was referring to the length of my posts I'll have you know I've written longer ones! Sometimes as many as a dozen that length and more in a single day!
When I talk I talk. And ramble. It's something of a problem, but I'm informed most people take some enjoyment from these walls-o-texts. Perhaps I should coin a word for these posts of mine . . .

Isn't it obvious? They're POST-APOCALYPTIC! *cackles like the crazy person he is*

Also, that video isn't available in my country. :smallfrown:

[CurlyKitGirl]

Curly at least double-posted. I didn't see five, though. He probably deleted the one you were trying to quote.

Curly is a girl . . . as indicated by her name. Typo or did you genuinely think I was a CurlyKitBoy?


I'm sure it was a translation (and I think there was a bit missing from it, too), as all of the words were recognizable to me (I being relatively unacquainted with middle and old english). I don't know which translation it was, though.

The poem's 3 182 lines line. And I don't think that includes the Finnsburh Fragment. It very likely was just extracts even if it was in Modern English because there's a lot of poem to go through, and as certain parts are fairly episodic it's easy to cut them out/focus on them.


I probably have, just from skimming what's been said in the past two hours. :smallamused:

:smallsmile:
When I get onto a subject I tend to assume the listener really wants to know, so I explain the basics as I explain the 'higher up' stuff. Or I forget completely and leave my friends in utter bemusement as I talk about the subversive in Jeun de Meun's continuation of the Roman de la Rose and how it, ironically, supports some ideas in Guillaume's Rose even as it undermines related themes.


Modern politics (is/are) fun to argue about, but only if you can find someone that is well-informed and good at arguing. It really annoys me that the only one of my friends that has a decent grasp on how to debate has views so very similar to mine.

The closest I get to modern politics that I can actually debate about are the treaties in the inter-war period up to 1945.
I once horrified my friends because it took me several seconds to recall who the Prime Minister was. I almost said Gordon brown when it was David Cameron. At least I think it was. He was Prime Minister eighteen months ago right?
No, I'm not joking, I really don't know.


Indeed. It's hard to go wrong with candy.

Especially the fizzy sour ones! Or bonbons! Or laces! Or anything without aniseed and licorice in!


Isn't it obvious? They're POST-APOCALYPTIC! *cackles like the crazy person he is*

*hugs*
Don't worry darling, this is a short post. Look at how short it is, does that help?
Here, have some soothing tea, it'll calm those nerves right down.


Also, that video isn't available in my country. :smallfrown:

It's Queen: 'I'm Going Slightly Mad' to be precise.
I love Queen. You may have gathered from my Freddie!Curly.

[DraPrime]

Pfft, the spanish had no hope of invading England.

Perhaps, but a man can dream, can't he? King Phillip of Great Britain and Spain....

*looks off wistfully*


Cultural biases are cultural biases and it is from them that we get our preferences. Just yesterday evening my Elder Little Brother was told that he was twenty so he was more than old enough to start drinking tea. Whether he liked it or not.
Hell, the reason I started liking tea (because I'm not a big fan of English breakfast) was because I was in brittany on a French exchange trip and the host mother said (translated) "Of course you'll have some tea, you're British I bought it just for you." and well, I couldn't really refuse could I?
I'm British, I'm too polite to refuse food/drink unless I'm allergic to it or it's coffee!

Our backgrounds certainly do influence us. However, some things are simply objectively true. For example, tea is totally awesome. Though by my nature as a New Englander I will sometimes chug coffee like it is the source of all life in this world, I absolutely love tea. You Brits are onto something with that beverage.


Oh you. :smalltongue:

:smallbiggrin:


Bah. You Classicists with your ancient languages in which so many important texts are written. You have no appreciation for the common languages you snooty academics!


Ad fontes! :smallcool:

I do actually like some common languages. For all my complaints of how inconsistent English is, it does actually sound quite pretty to me. Spanish and Russian are also quite awesome. However, linguae pulchrae antiquae optimae sunt. :smalltongue:


It's also a rather useful abbreviation tool if you know the manuscript forms as well. I know that after my year group started learning Old English certain letters, abbreviations and whatnot started appearing n our notes because it made things easier and faster to write. Especially when it came to writing marginalia.
My notes typically used the extremely small amount of logical/mathematical notation, a little bit of Japanese, IPA when I didn't know the correct spelling, Old English, Old French, French and letters/phrases from all over the English language.

Interesting. My notes are rarely so varied linguistically, but when studying languages I'll often write out words using Polish spelling. Polish is completely phonetic, so I can easily remind myself of how words are pronounced rather than having to use some more difficult English system.


It's a bit of Church propaganda based upon popular medieval literature, specifically beast fables and fabliaux. In stories like The History of Reynard the Fox or Robert Henryson's Morall Fabilis of Esope the Phrygian (c. 1480s) the fox is a 'preacher' luring the goose/lamb/whatever closer and closer with its falsehoods until it devours its prey. The moral being: the foolish are seduced by false doctrine.
Fascinating stuff isn't it.

Huh, and here I would have thought that they'd use wolves. Foxes are just too adorable.


I remember those two! The atomists were kind of spoony even to my thirteen year old self who was taking her first steps into philosophy. I could see the logic behind their ideas, but the ideas really just didn't work.

Indeed. We only really know of a lot of the weird parts of Greek philosophy because Aristotle spent a lot of time refuting them. This of course raises the question of whether or not these philosophers actually said what Aristotle claimed they said. Some of it is just too silly for Aristotle to invent. Apparently some Platonist that Aristotle refutes thought that the human soul is a moving number. I have no idea how on earth that is supposed to work.


Do not talk to me about Neitzsche. Or Sartre. And existentialism in general.

Oh I know. I do not like existentialism either. Well, except for Kierkegaard. That man is a philosophical badass of the greatest magnitude. Requiescat in pace you awesome Dane.



:smallfrown: But I like the Cave Theory thing, it's very good imagery. But well, form should not be exclusively preferred over substance. That and it's a very easy bit of extremely influential philosophy to remember so it kind of stuck with me throughout my studies.
Aristotle then would take the cookie cutter form and place it inside the thing.

I like the cave as an analogy of the search for truth, but metaphysically I just don't find it tenable. It's interesting to look at how furious the debate over this was in the Middle Ages. It is suspected that John Scotus Eriugena's students stabbed him to death with their styli over this issue. I miss medieval academia, it was so much more exciting. Students brawling in the streets over loyalties to professors, rocks thrown during lectures...it was a better time. :smalltongue:


Beauty in simplicity. I'm still not as familiar with him as I'd like, fortunately it has been hinted to me that a certain relative has acquired my List of Coveted Things, and as this relative knows someone with a PhD in Music and Philosophy, I have hope for a few interesting books.

Well, if you want a good introduction to Aquinas at some point I recommend this book (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Teaching-Introducing-Theologiae-Aquinas/dp/1587430355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354393410&sr=8-1&keywords=Holy+Teaching). It's a very very very abridged version of the Summa Theologiae, with more footnotes than Aquinas (which means it must be good!). However, I think Chesterton's The Dumb Ox (http://www.amazon.com/Saint-Thomas-Aquinas-Dumb-Ox/dp/1475167571/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354393492&sr=1-1&keywords=The+DUmb+Ox) might be more interesting. Apparently Ettiene Gilson, a Frenchman who is pretty much the greatest Thomist of the modern era, endorses it. It would be an easier read, and Chesterton has phenomenal wit.


Ten pages down, seven to go then? Well, by the time I post this . . . essay it'll probably be twelve pages down.

Heh, I wish. Only about eight pages done. Right now I'm talking a lot about Gilbert Ryle and how he thinks that Descartes has made a category mistake. Apparently he's done the metaphysical equivalent of walking around Oxford, seeing the colleges, the library, the fields, and asking "This is all nice, but where is the university itself?" It's an amusing analogy.


Hooray!
Have a celebratory cyber-drink on me!

*clinks glass*


On that note it's Christmas, and I have been commissioned by my parents to get Elder Little Brother drunk. And, where possible, get him drunk on things a typical squaddie would drink.
because apparently the drinks I drink are girly?
I never thought vodka and coke was girly, but I do see how one might think malibu and coke is girly.
So recommend me manly man drinks that you think the both of us would like. And yes, I probably will drink him under the table seeing as I can't seem to get drunk.
Me, I'll drink most things, can't stand whisky or whiskey though.

It's Christmas? No it's not, it's Advent! Well, not yet for me, but in your time zone it is the eve of the first Sunday of Advent. Since it is Advent, have some awesome music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHh3nMMu-I) with some pretty Latin in it. I wish we got that hymn for more than about four weeks each year.

Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel nascetur pro ti Israel

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Finally someone recognises the truth! Seriously, without him we'd . . . miss a lot. He was a badass who instituted all these educational, religious and political reforms, was the first Holy Roman Emperor and just generally rocked people's socks. I really should should the Gesta Karoli Magni in full some time.
Plus he's such a badass in Le Chanson de Roland.

More importantly, Christopher Lee is descended from him. Charlemagne spawned one of the most awesome people ever.


I heard that DP!
Besides, they weren't so much upset at the personal offence as they were at the religious ones otherwise they would have done it earlier, perhaps when the Great Divorce was ongoing.

Fine then, for Pius V, and the re-institution of a proper monarch! :smalltongue:

[Dimonite]

Curly is a girl . . . as indicated by her name. Typo or did you genuinely think I was a CurlyKitBoy?

I'm going to guess that he was confused by the fact that your gender is listed as male. I know I was confused by that, hence calling you a madman instead of a madwoman. Also, why the third person? Is there more than one of you? ARE YOU A 4.7-HEADED ALIEN FROM PLANET ALOXXCON?!?!!?



*hugs*
Don't worry darling, this is a short post. Look at how short it is, does that help?
Here, have some soothing tea, it'll calm those nerves right down.


*returns hug*
I think we have differing definitions of "short," but it's not your post length that's making me a crazy person. Well, not ENTIRELY, anyhow; I've technically been a nutter since long before I first posted on these fantastic forums.



It's Queen: 'I'm Going Slightly Mad' to be precise.
I love Queen. You may have gathered from my Freddie!Curly.

...How much trouble am I in for not recognizing that as having anything to do with Freddie Mercury until now? :smalleek:

[Amidus Drexel]

STOP POSTING AND LET ME FINISH TYPING!!! :smallbiggrin:


Curly is a girl . . . as indicated by her name. Typo or did you genuinely think I was a CurlyKitBoy?

Especially the fizzy sour ones! Or bonbons! Or laces! Or anything without aniseed and licorice in!

You have the male symbol under your name; that's what I went by.

You don't like licorice? BLASPHEMY! More for me, I suppose.



Fire is very meditative, and rather soothing in a controlled state.

Hey! If my computer wasn't so laggy it wouldn't take so long! And I go back and edit things in because tend to break things when I post!
And it's laggy for no reason at all!

Whcih song?

My computer has become horrifically laggy for the past two days, and when I hit the submit button I had a terrible glitch that submitted the post seven times. I pushed the submit button twice.

When I talk I talk. And ramble. It's something of a problem, but I'm informed most people take some enjoyment from these walls-o-texts. Perhaps I should coin a word for these posts of mine . . .

Indeed. There is nothing like a good cedar fire.

I was making fun of Sheep, actually, and how long it takes to comprehend what he writes. :smallamused:

Catherine of Aragon, of course. It's by Rick Wakeman.

That's no good. You should get a tech-savvy person to fix that for you.

Wall of text falls; everyone dies. :smallamused: I don't mind reading through these massive posts, although I can see why they might be intimidating.

[DraPrime]

STOP POSTING AND LET ME FINISH TYPING!!! :smallbiggrin:


No. :smalltongue:

[CurlyKitGirl]

Perhaps, but a man can dream, can't he? King Phillip of Great Britain and Spain....

*looks off wistfully*

Tch, Phillip had no love for Mary, and the politics of Europe ensured that he was only Prince Consort and retained no actual power over the throne otherwise things would have become Very Sticky.


Our backgrounds certainly do influence us. However, some things are simply objectively true. For example, tea is totally awesome. Though by my nature as a New Englander I will sometimes chug coffee like it is the source of all life in this world, I absolutely love tea. You Brits are onto something with that beverage.

Hehe, tea is wonderful. Coffee I just don't get especially with all their fancy names, but if you get a darjeeling, you know what you're getting.
Then again there's such a thing as being too obsessed with tea. *thinks back to Thing Brits Did For Tea* I mean, flooding China with opium twice because we wanted their tea really wasn't very nice at all.
Seriously, why do people like coffee?
As I type this post - which will be a wall-o'-textmy Lady Grey is rapidly cooling. Silly British weather.


Ad fontes! :smallcool:

I do actually like some common languages. For all my complaints of how inconsistent English is, it does actually sound quite pretty to me. Spanish and Russian are also quite awesome. However, linguae pulchrae antiquae optimae sunt. :smalltongue:

:smallpout:
Latin!Envy. For as long as I remain unschooled in Latin I shall advocate all the vernaculars of the world! And secretly covet Sanskrit and Ancient Greek and Latin and so many things.
I will never understand the French though. Their Academie Francaise is all but actively campaigning for the stagnation of their language, which is ore than slightly ridiculous.
Russian does sound awesome, but over the past few months I've developed a great admiration for the fluidity of Hindi, Tamul and Urdu, especially in song. Plus it looks lovely written.
English on the other hand . . . it does look a bit of a mess doesn't it?



Interesting. My notes are rarely so varied linguistically, but when studying languages I'll often write out words using Polish spelling. Polish is completely phonetic, so I can easily remind myself of how words are pronounced rather than having to use some more difficult English system.

That's what IPA does for me. Don't know how to spell it, phoneticise it! Because English phonetics are, pardon my French, a bitch, and when it comes to academia so many foreign surnames and no idea on how to pronounce them and there's no handout! Panic.


Huh, and here I would have thought that they'd use wolves. Foxes are just too adorable.

French tradition. Reynard the Fox is the trickster and uses words, having been a well-established figure in Western medieval writings since the mid 1100s or so, and well, his primary antagonist is Isengrim/Ysengrin the Wolf. More info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard). It's a case of roles already being cast.


Indeed. We only really know of a lot of the weird parts of Greek philosophy because Aristotle spent a lot of time refuting them. This of course raises the question of whether or not these philosophers actually said what Aristotle claimed they said. Some of it is just too silly for Aristotle to invent. Apparently some Platonist that Aristotle refutes thought that the human soul is a moving number. I have no idea how on earth that is supposed to work.

Poor Aristotle, running around fixing everyone else's misconceptions. And while I do recall the soul is a self-moving number thing, that's all I remember.
Apparently Xenocrates said it. (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ptsjqxPvbQC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=soul+is+a+moving+number&source=bl&ots=AHiTZr0jxy&sig=v35RvtqRS1CXG2KBO8VNEGUeFx4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=L3K6UPauDIHJ0QXzyIF4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=soul%20is%20a%20moving%20number&f=false)


Oh I know. I do not like existentialism either. Well, except for Kierkegaard. That man is a philosophical badass of the greatest magnitude. Requiescat in pace you awesome Dane.

Heard of him, know he's important (and C20th I think), but that's all I know of him. Elaboration?


I like the cave as an analogy of the search for truth, but metaphysically I just don't find it tenable. It's interesting to look at how furious the debate over this was in the Middle Ages. It is suspected that John Scotus Eriugena's students stabbed him to death with their styli over this issue. I miss medieval academia, it was so much more exciting. Students brawling in the streets over loyalties to professors, rocks thrown during lectures...it was a better time. :smalltongue:

Yep! :smallbiggrin:
And Cambridge was founded by criminals! Back when it was okay to do more than sit-ins and protests over funding.
Is it because we have become tamer, or that we don't care as much for the subjects as we once did?


Well, if you want a good introduction to Aquinas at some point I recommend this book (http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Teaching-Introducing-Theologiae-Aquinas/dp/1587430355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354393410&sr=8-1&keywords=Holy+Teaching). It's a very very very abridged version of the Summa Theologiae, with more footnotes than Aquinas (which means it must be good!). However, I think Chesterton's The Dumb Ox (http://www.amazon.com/Saint-Thomas-Aquinas-Dumb-Ox/dp/1475167571/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354393492&sr=1-1&keywords=The+DUmb+Ox) might be more interesting. Apparently Ettiene Gilson, a Frenchman who is pretty much the greatest Thomist of the modern era, endorses it. It would be an easier read, and Chesterton has phenomenal wit.

yay! Chesterton. And more books to the list. Maybe if some are cheap I'll get them for myself as a present. That said, I do have a version of the SUmma Theologiae favourited online somewhere. Maybe I should educate myself rather than spend a few hours reading fanfic.
:smalltongue:


Heh, I wish. Only about eight pages done. Right now I'm talking a lot about Gilbert Ryle and how he thinks that Descartes has made a category mistake. Apparently he's done the metaphysical equivalent of walking around Oxford, seeing the colleges, the library, the fields, and asking "This is all nice, but where is the university itself?" It's an amusing analogy.

So missing the mark quite spectacularly then for all the onlookers.


|It's Christmas? No it's not, it's Advent! Well, not yet for me, but in your time zone it is the eve of the first Sunday of Advent. Since it is Advent, have some awesome music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHh3nMMu-I) with some pretty Latin in it. I wish we got that hymn for more than about four weeks each year.

Gaude, gaude, Emmanuel nascetur pro ti Israel

Close enough. And I do love that song. And Gaudete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKWk6RzaiM). it's not my favourite version, but very lovely nonetheless.
Now to get lost listening to multiple versions of the hymn.
Plus the title is (if I'm not mistaken) simply 'Rejoice!' That's an order for the love of God! REJOICE!
Seriously, I just adore that song.


More importantly, Christopher Lee is descended from him. Charlemagne spawned one of the most awesome people ever.

Oh everyone's descended from Charlemagne, just not as directly as Saruman.


|Fine then, for Pius V, and the re-institution of a proper monarch! :smalltongue:

Much better. :smalltongue:
You know, technically the Spanish Armada counts as the Eighth Crusade or something because it was officially endorsed by the Pope as a Crusade against heretics for the good of Christianity.


I'm going to guess that he was confused by the fact that your gender is listed as male. I know I was confused by that, hence calling you a madman instead of a madwoman. Also, why the third person? Is there more than one of you? ARE YOU A 4.7-HEADED ALIEN FROM PLANET ALOXXCON?!?!!?

I keep forgetting to switch my gender back around. And why not the third person? I find it a fun little thing, although granted it does make one sound rather juvenile, but that's part of the fun.


*returns hug*
I think we have differing definitions of "short," but it's not your post length that's making me a crazy person. Well, not ENTIRELY, anyhow; I've technically been a nutter since long before I first posted on these fantastic forums.

Most everyone's mad here./quote
Personally I find it nicer that way.


...How much trouble am I in for not recognizing that as having anything to do with Freddie Mercury until now? :smalleek:

. . .Quite a lot. I'm a wee bit of a massive Queen fangirl.


STOP POSTING AND LET ME FINISH TYPING!!! :smallbiggrin:


I'M TRYING BUT THEN PEOPLE KEEP REPLYING WITH THINGS THAT I THEN WANT TO RESPOND TO! I WAS MEANT TO HAVE GONE TO THE SHOP TWENTY MINUTES AGO AND PEOPLE KEEP POSTING AND TALKING!



You have the male symbol under your name; that's what I went by.

I forget that.


You don't like licorice? BLASPHEMY! More for me, I suppose.

It's ghastly in scent, taste, look and smell. Did I mention smell? Because it smells almost as bad as it tastes.


Catherine of Aragon, of course. It's by Rick Wakeman.

I have never heard of this. To YouTube!


That's no good. You should get a tech-savvy person to fix that for you.

I did. I restarted it in safe mode, then restarted it again. That worked for some reason.


Wall of text falls; everyone dies. :smallamused: I don't mind reading through these massive posts, although I can see why they might be intimidating.

The problem is the ensuing time warp.
You post a wallotext and then there are maybe three posts you want to respond to that have been posted while you were writing.
You quote those to edit them into the wallotext but then by the time you've finished writing that post someone else has posted their own wallotext to which you want to reply, so your previous Things To Edit Into My Post become the start of a new post and you begin to respond to the next person's wallotext, but by the time you post that you circle around to the beginning of the problem and start again.

How many posts have been posted since I started this one? Let's find out!

EDIT:
None for once. Thank heavens! To the shop!

[Teddy]

If I'd been more interested in philosophy or theology, then perhaps I'd try to follow the discussion. Perhaps I could discuss the ideas in and on themselves, but at the mentioning of historical names, my mind just blacks out and goes somewhere snowy, magical and modernly high-tech instead...


Meanwhile as winter rears on the north, we get spring down here, the flowers blooming, the sun warm but not incandescent and Christmas traditional beach season seems near.

That's so unseasonal. :smallwink:


You could always order the paper from Amazon or e-bay if it's rather specific.

I'm not sure I have time waiting for shipping if their stores are outside of this country...

ION:
Downtown Abbey is fascinatingly entrancing. Despite the fact that I'm watching it at 8 metres distance and at a 45 degree angle, I can't help but feel drawn into their world. It surely is a good show...

EDIT:
You know you're wall-of-text-spammed when the thread runs out of sidebar. :smallwink:

[Devmaar]

If I'd been more interested in philosophy or theology, then perhaps I'd try to follow the discussion. Perhaps I could discuss the ideas in and on themselves, but at the mentioning of historical names, my mind just blacks out and goes somewhere snowy, magical and modernly high-tech instead...

That's how I've been feeling...

[AsteriskAmp]

If I'd been more interested in philosophy or theology, then perhaps I'd try to follow the discussion. Perhaps I could discuss the ideas in and on themselves, but at the mentioning of historical names, my mind just blacks out and goes somewhere snowy, magical and modernly high-tech instead...The issue with philosophical discussion is that when discussing any idea there will be references to previous similar iterations and critiques by posterior authors; said references are normally to whole books devoted to the subject with numerous points and ideas. Whilst sometimes the points can be quickly summarised sometimes there is so much and at times the quick run summary excludes parts of the counter critiques that the book may have.

That's so unseasonal. :smallwink:Climate is something which broke years ago where I live, season followed soon there after.

I'm not sure I have time waiting for shipping if their stores are outside of this country...Still 25 or so days left.


ION:
Downtown Abbey is fascinatingly entrancing. Despite the fact that I'm watching it at 8 metres distance and at a 45 degree angle, I can't help but feel drawn into their world. It surely is a good show...I assume you have yet to go beyond season 2.

[Amidus Drexel]

That's what IPA does for me. Don't know how to spell it, phoneticise it! Because English phonetics are, pardon my French, a bitch, and when it comes to academia so many foreign surnames and no idea on how to pronounce them and there's no handout! Panic.

Yep! :smallbiggrin:
And Cambridge was founded by criminals! Back when it was okay to do more than sit-ins and protests over funding.
Is it because we have become tamer, or that we don't care as much for the subjects as we once did?

I'M TRYING BUT THEN PEOPLE KEEP REPLYING WITH THINGS THAT I THEN WANT TO RESPOND TO! I WAS MEANT TO HAVE GONE TO THE SHOP TWENTY MINUTES AGO AND PEOPLE KEEP POSTING AND TALKING!

It's ghastly in scent, taste, look and smell. Did I mention smell? Because it smells almost as bad as it tastes.

I have never heard of this. To YouTube!

I did. I restarted it in safe mode, then restarted it again. That worked for some reason.

The problem is the ensuing time warp. -snip-

I think I remember reading somewhere that English was the least phonetical language in the world, next to Russian.

Damn yankees Good old New Englanders starting trouble. :smallamused:

It sounds like you are complaining about black licorice. You might enjoy white licorice, which is milder and different in both smell and taste (which are pretty much the same thing).

There is a very good version of that from a 2009 concert. I believe he had an entire orchestra/choir playing with him. The arrangement was kind of slow though (myself being used to the album version); probably so the orchestra could keep up.

See, I just copy all that I've written and refresh the thread to see if anyone's posted since I started typing.

[CurlyKitGirl]

If I'd been more interested in philosophy or theology, then perhaps I'd try to follow the discussion. Perhaps I could discuss the ideas in and on themselves, but at the mentioning of historical names, my mind just blacks out and goes somewhere snowy, magical and modernly high-tech instead...

Don't worry, we feel the same way when you get even slightly wall-o-texty about technology and whatnot.
Generally the humanities side of thing is more accessible than technological one, so more people weigh in on that sort of thing than technology.


ION:
Downtown Abbey is fascinatingly entrancing. Despite the fact that I'm watching it at 8 metres distance and at a 45 degree angle, I can't help but feel drawn into their world. It surely is a good show...

It's extremely good. It's one of the best shows airing on British TV at the moment. Or recently. Can't remember if it's actually on at the moment.


EDIT:
You know you're wall-of-text-spammed when the thread runs out of sidebar. :smallwink:

I was thinking that when I saw your post. I don't think I've broken the sidebar in a good few months.

EDIT:

I think I remember reading somewhere that English was the least phonetical language in the world, next to Russian.

It's entirely possible. However I'm not so sure about the tonal languages, but given all their diacritics that go into telling you exactly how to inflect it it's more a case of limited syllables or something.
I think for every one thing that follows a rule there are five exceptions or something stupid like that.
Hence the 'ghoti' construction. is a perfectly valid way of spelling fish is you use the phonemes 'gh' as in 'rough', 'o' as in 'women' and 'ti' as 'nation'.


Damn yankees Good old New Englanders starting trouble. :smallamused:

Other Cambridge darling. Unless that Cambridge was also founded by criminals, following their English predecessors.


It sounds like you are complaining about black licorice. You might enjoy white licorice, which is milder and different in both smell and taste (which are pretty much the same thing).

Potentially. I've never found a licorice I've liked yet and I've been eating solid food for over twenty years now.


There is a very good version of that from a 2009 concert. I believe he had an entire orchestra/choir playing with him. The arrangement was kind of slow though (myself being used to the album version); probably so the orchestra could keep up.

I'll be sure to check out that one first then.


See, I just copy all that I've written and refresh the thread to see if anyone's posted since I started typing.

That's what I do. And then of course the times I don't are the times I get several little posts to which I want to respond.

ION:
I need a less solemn Gaudete.

[Teddy]

The issue with philosophical discussion is that when discussing any idea there will be references to previous similar iterations and critiques by posterior authors; said references are normally to whole books devoted to the subject with numerous points and ideas. Whilst sometimes the points can be quickly summarised sometimes there is so much and at times the quick run summary excludes parts of the counter critiques that the book may have.

That's way too much formalities for me on what I find a rather non-factual subject, which is why I find myself put off by this kind of discussion.


Climate is something which broke years ago where I live, season followed soon there after.

To be honest, considering that you live below the equator, it sounds more like your seasons are lagging behind, rather than anything else. That said, thinking of spring and flowers isn't what I do right now for obvious reasons.


Still 25 or so days left.

23, actually, since we celebrate Christmas Eve rather than Christmas Day, and barely that. However, your assumption is that I haven't got to go through other time-consuming processes that include the wrap, which I, for the record, will, and that's where my problem lies.


I assume you have yet to go beyond season 2.

Nope, we're actually on season 3.
(Thanks Wikipedia!)


Don't worry, we feel the same way when you get even slightly wall-o-texty about technology and whatnot.
Generally the humanities side of thing is more accessible than technological one, so more people weigh in on that sort of thing than technology.

Yeah, I don't doubt that. Your topic is at least possible to understand for as long as you possess a moderately extensive vocabulary. Mine, not so much...

On the topic of technology, however,I think I can guess what caused your computer issues: It's probably either too much RAM usage or too much CPU usage, both of which are problems you can monitor and fix through the Task Manager. Now, since I'm the one who's into Computer Science, and not you, I think it's better to just suggest that you close down some non-essential programs when the problem first appears, and restart the computer if that doesn't solve it. Playing around with the Task Manager when you don't know what you're doing can be... dangerous. :smallwink:


I was thinking that when I saw your post. I don't think I've broken the sidebar in a good few months.

The best part, the actual image is just 1 pixel high, and then repeated all the way down the page. When you break it, it's not that you get to the bottom of the image, but you actually break the code of the page*. This forum simply wasn't built to handle this much CurlyPrime (& co). :smallamused:

*Oversimplification/overdramatisation. Probably caused by simple loop termination (okay, continued studies of the phenomenon says that's probably not the case).

[Amidus Drexel]

Other Cambridge darling. Unless that Cambridge was also founded by criminals, following their English predecessors.

Potentially. I've never found a licorice I've liked yet and I've been eating solid food for over twenty years now.


It's possible, although wikipedia doesn't comment on it. It's close enough to Boston that I'm sure some of the mid-1700's protests spilled over to Cambridge.

It's worth a shot, although if you don't like black licorice I can't guarantee anything. Licorice is an acquired taste, for sure.

[HalfTangible]

So.

MSN is back up.

...

Was it just me who noticed it was down all day?

[AsteriskAmp]

That's way too much formalities for me on what I find a rather non-factual subject, which is why I find myself put off by this kind of discussion.Philosophy is on that regard very similar to mathematics in that it does not acquire knowledge from observation but by using deduction from original logic based constructions and bases it's strength in internal consistency not correlation to reality.

To be honest, considering that you live below the equator, it sounds more like your seasons are lagging behind, rather than anything else. That said, thinking of spring and flowers isn't what I do right now for obvious reasons.Oh no, it's supposed to be Summer right now. We for some reason have spring climate though.

23, actually, since we celebrate Christmas Eve rather than Christmas Day, and barely that. However, your assumption is that I haven't got to go through other time-consuming processes that include the wrap, which I, for the record, will, and that's where my problem lies.The wrap is normally the shortest part, some stores even do it for you if Swedish society even barely mimics our retail culture for festivities.

[DraPrime]

Tch, Phillip had no love for Mary, and the politics of Europe ensured that he was only Prince Consort and retained no actual power over the throne otherwise things would have become Very Sticky.

But...theological stuff...


Hehe, tea is wonderful. Coffee I just don't get especially with all their fancy names, but if you get a darjeeling, you know what you're getting.
Then again there's such a thing as being too obsessed with tea. *thinks back to Thing Brits Did For Tea* I mean, flooding China with opium twice because we wanted their tea really wasn't very nice at all.
Seriously, why do people like coffee?
As I type this post - which will be a wall-o'-textmy Lady Grey is rapidly cooling. Silly British weather.

Coffee is the best. Especially when you pour hot cocoa powder into it. It's hard to explain, it's just a thing around here. It's a bit like alcohol. Most people don't like it at first, but once you've gotten some experience it is yumdeliciousthebest. Also, it is the brew of every exhausted student, which is how people get hooked. Speaking of which...

*takes a swig of coffee*

Anyways, British weather, eh? Is it getting cold over there? I was in London a week ago for Thanksgiving (it's a long story) and it wasn't so bad yet. New England weather is fun, because it's clearly got a sense of humor. Unlike the consistent rain that you guys are known for having, our weather reels about like a drunk, never sure where it wants to stand. One day it snows, the next it's bright and warm, and lightning all of a sudden come afterwards. Also, occasional tornadoes and hurricanes. I swear, most of you Europeans have such a wimpy climate.


:smallpout:
Latin!Envy. For as long as I remain unschooled in Latin I shall advocate all the vernaculars of the world! And secretly covet Sanskrit and Ancient Greek and Latin and so many things.
I will never understand the French though. Their Academie Francaise is all but actively campaigning for the stagnation of their language, which is ore than slightly ridiculous.
Russian does sound awesome, but over the past few months I've developed a great admiration for the fluidity of Hindi, Tamul and Urdu, especially in song. Plus it looks lovely written.
English on the other hand . . . it does look a bit of a mess doesn't it?

I never got French myself. Everyone tells me it's so very beautiful, but after spending some time in France my attitude was "I guess it's alright." English might be messy. The orthography looks like it was assembled by someone who took a hammer to the head. However, I still think it sounds rather pretty. Besides, it's a fascinating linguistic mutant.


French tradition. Reynard the Fox is the trickster and uses words, having been a well-established figure in Western medieval writings since the mid 1100s or so, and well, his primary antagonist is Isengrim/Ysengrin the Wolf. More info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard). It's a case of roles already being cast.

Interesting. Does this mean that Western Europe believed Martin Luther to be foxy? :smalltongue:


Poor Aristotle, running around fixing everyone else's misconceptions. And while I do recall the soul is a self-moving number thing, that's all I remember.
Apparently Xenocrates said it. (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ptsjqxPvbQC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=soul+is+a+moving+number&source=bl&ots=AHiTZr0jxy&sig=v35RvtqRS1CXG2KBO8VNEGUeFx4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=L3K6UPauDIHJ0QXzyIF4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=soul%20is%20a%20moving%20number&f=false)

I would be fascinated to hear how on earth Xenocrates tried to justify his moving number thing. It's just...weird. I blame Pythagoras for this.


Heard of him, know he's important (and C20th I think), but that's all I know of him. Elaboration?

Søren Kierkegaard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard) was a 19th century Danish philosopher/theologian, and the father of existentialism. He was very concerned with how one is to live as an individual, and the dread and anxiety that come with ethical dilemmas. He's a lot of fun, because he is incredibly witty. So much so that he was sometimes called out for not being serious enough for academia. A lot of existentialists like Sartre, Nietzsche, and Camus owe a lot to him, though they differ very radically from him. Kierkegaard probably would not approve of them. I have not read too much of his stuff, but what I have read I really like. Even when I disagree with him, I can't help but love reading what he writes. From what I have read, I would tentatively say that he may be the greatest Christian philosopher since St. Thomas Aquinas.


Yep! :smallbiggrin:
And Cambridge was founded by criminals! Back when it was okay to do more than sit-ins and protests over funding.
Is it because we have become tamer, or that we don't care as much for the subjects as we once did?

Our Cambridge was just founded by disgruntled Puritans. :smallsigh:


Yay! Chesterton. And more books to the list. Maybe if some are cheap I'll get them for myself as a present. That said, I do have a version of the Summa Theologiae favourited online somewhere. Maybe I should educate myself rather than spend a few hours reading fanfic.
:smalltongue:

Yes. Read the Summa. It's very weird to read, since it is broken down into separate individual questions. If you have a good table of contents, you can look up what particularly interests you. I actually think that it's pretty good to read from the beginning for at least a little while, because that's where St. Thomas Aquinas explains what philosophy is, what theology is, where they overlap, and where they differ. It's crucial for understanding the rest of his thought.


So missing the mark quite spectacularly then for all the onlookers.

Exactly. They feel the need to appeal to something outside of Oxford, something totally distinct, in spite of being in the midst of it. Ryle claims that Descartes does this too by making the mind wholly different from the body. I'm inclined to agree with Ryle, obsessed with linguistic philosophy though he may be.


Close enough. And I do love that song. And Gaudete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKWk6RzaiM). it's not my favourite version, but very lovely nonetheless.
Now to get lost listening to multiple versions of the hymn.
Plus the title is (if I'm not mistaken) simply 'Rejoice!' That's an order for the love of God! REJOICE!
Seriously, I just adore that song.

Whoa, Gaudete is quite cool. I love that I can actually now understand significant parts of it, and the grammar underlying it. As for O Come O Come Emmanuel, we were fortunate enough to have sung it during vespers today in the seminary not long after I mentioned it to you. I was quite happy.


Much better. :smalltongue:
You know, technically the Spanish Armada counts as the Eighth Crusade or something because it was officially endorsed by the Pope as a Crusade against heretics for the good of Christianity.

Oh good, I'll travel back in time, make it succeed, and be like Archbishop Turpin, except without dying. :smalltongue:

[Blue Ghost]

I'm quite fascinated by this discussion, and would like to join, but am scared by the amount of text there. I should probably read Aquinas to understand your posts... wait.

DP, shouldn't you be using your writing energy for your paper? Or are you done with it already?

Curly, why did you change your gender in the first place?

[DraPrime]

I'm quite fascinated by this discussion, and would like to join, but am scared by the amount of text there. I should probably read Aquinas to understand your posts... wait.

DP, shouldn't you be using your writing energy for your paper? Or are you done with it already?

Curly, why did you change your gender in the first place?

Join in! You need not to know anything! It's more fun that way! Merry philosophy times are ahead of us!

As for my energies, they are divided. I'm going to end up doing something more drastic than shaving off most of my beard out of boredom if I do nothing but the essay. That was traumatic enough for me.

[Mutant Sheep]

I'm quite fascinated by this discussion, and would like to join, but am scared by the amount of text there. I should probably read Aquinas to understand your posts... wait.

DP, shouldn't you be using your writing energy for your paper? Or are you done with it already?

Curly, why did you change your gender in the first place?Do what I do. POST WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE, RHYME OR REASON.:smallbiggrin:

See below.

Why DID Curly do that? And more importantly, why did I not notice or care? :smalltongue:


Join in! You need not to know anything! It's more fun that way! Merry philosophy times are ahead of us!

As for my energies, they are divided. I'm going to end up doing something more drastic than shaving off most of my beard out of boredom if I do nothing but the essay. That was traumatic enough for me.
Oh! OH! I know why DP is here! THIS IS FUN AND WORK IS NOT. :smalltongue: Am I right? :smallwink:

I again missed the grande posts I would have enjoyed, but meh. Instead of quoting, I will just state my will.

1;Teddy:I agree with Curly, your wall-o-tech discussions are much less interesting to me than these philosophical "I am in love with Aquinas"-"But Locke is famouser!" discussions.:smallbiggrin: Geddit? Wall o' TECH?

2;DP: Valeo Draco whatever-primo-would-be-I'm-too-lazy-to-debate-with-myself-on-it-being-primo-or-the-proper-form-of-first-which-I-forgot-. :smallredface::smalltongue: SO MUCH HYPHEN. *pant*

3;Teddy again: Doesn't most EVERYONE celebrate the Eve, rather than teh true day? Most of the celebrations are held on the Eve, with the day itself being solely a second Thanksgiving, complete with turkey. (For my familia, at least)

[DraPrime]

Oh! OH! I know why DP is here! THIS IS FUN AND WORK IS NOT. :smalltongue: Am I right? :smallwink:

In part. I need something to balance out the madness of this essay. When you're playing Verdi's Dies Irae to pump yourself up for an essay, you know that you are in for grim business.


;DP: Valeo Draco whatever-primo-would-be-I'm-too-lazy-to-debate-with-myself-on-it-being-primo-or-the-proper-form-of-first-which-I-forgot-. :smallredface::smalltongue: SO MUCH HYPHEN. *pant*

Whut. :smallconfused:

[Blue Ghost]

In part. I need something to balance out the madness of this essay. When you're playing Verdi's Dies Irae to pump yourself up for an essay, you know that you are in for grim business.

Yes, I feel you. I don't think I've had such a major undertaking in recent times.

Hmm... Dies Irae for study music... I might try that myself.

[DraPrime]

Yes, I feel you. I don't think I've had such a major undertaking in recent times.

Hmm... Dies Irae for study music... I might try that myself.

You are now pumped (www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY). You're welcome.

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If you don't know, that was originally written to be often used in funerals.

[AsteriskAmp]

3;Teddy again: Doesn't most EVERYONE celebrate the Eve, rather than teh true day? Most of the celebrations are held on the Eve, with the day itself being solely a second Thanksgiving, complete with turkey. (For my familia, at least)Down here it is celebrated on the midnight of the 24th with 25th being the day for family dinin.

You are now pumped (www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY). You're welcome.I need to learn latin and choral composing; I now know the name of this magnificent piece, my eternal gratitude.

[DraPrime]

I need to learn latin and choral composing; I now know the name of this magnificent piece, my eternal gratitude.

You should also listen to Mozart's similarly awesome rendition of Dies Irae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1C-GXQ1LdY). It is also very good stuff. It's very fitting considering the fact that Dies Irae is about Armageddon.

[Blue Ghost]

*explodes from overpumping*

The... awesome... :smalleek:

[AsteriskAmp]

You should also listen to Mozart's similarly awesome rendition of Dies Irae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1C-GXQ1LdY). It is also very good stuff. It's very fitting considering the fact that Dies Irae is about Armageddon.I can raise no objection or contradiction to the sentiment. And how oddly coincident with today's first reading. I know revelations is not about the Armageddon but the literal images do match with the idea of the world ending.

[Qwertystop]

Started watching Dennou Coil (after a TVTropes spree got me there).

Just saw Episode 12.


Cannot stop laughing.

EDIT: Oh, then the very next episode. Mood whiplash much?

[DraPrime]

I can raise no objection or contradiction to the sentiment. And how oddly coincident with today's first reading. I know revelations is not about the Armageddon but the literal images do match with the idea of the world ending.

Well, the nature of that book is hard to pin down. It could refer to the future while also referring to present and past events. It's hard to tell. Either way, Dies Irae is the best.

[AsteriskAmp]

Well, the nature of that book is hard to pin down. It could refer to the future while also referring to present and past events. It's hard to tell. Either way, Dies Irae is the best.Indeed it is. I find choral music quite impressive, mainly due to my inability to sing or compose for singers; but also because of the sheer scale of gathering such a number and getting it to sing different tonalities which result in an amazing pleasant (and amazing sound).

Gregorian Chants in particular tend to be fantastic but the Classical and Baroque pieces are also wonderful. Carmina Burana is however probably still my favourite, even if the lyrics are emo poetry.

[DraPrime]

Indeed it is. I find choral music quite impressive, mainly due to my inability to sing or compose for singers; but also because of the sheer scale of gathering such a number and getting it to sing different tonalities which result in an amazing pleasant (and amazing sound).

Gregorian Chants in particular tend to be fantastic but the Classical and Baroque pieces are also wonderful. Carmina Burana is probably still my favourite, even if the lyrics are emo poetry.

Can't say I'm familiar with Carmina Burna. As far as really sad Gregorian chant goes, nothing beats Stabat Mater in my opinion.

[AsteriskAmp]

Can't say I'm familiar with Carmina Burna. As far as really sad Gregorian chant goes, nothing beats Stabat Mater in my opinion.Carmina Burana is the Cantata from where O' Fortuna comes from, with which I suspect you are familiar.

I have been exposed to too little Gregorian chants to have a favourite amongst them sadly. I do find Stabat Mater rather fascinating in the interaction between the violins and the singing.

[DraPrime]

Carmina Burana is the Cantata from where O' Fortuna comes from, with which I suspect you are familiar.

I have been exposed to too little Gregorian chants to have a favourite amongst them sadly. I do find Stabat Mater rather fascinating in the interaction between the violins and the singing.

I've never actually listened much to versions of Stabat Mater with instruments. I'm more familiar with it sounding like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3tLtcw58Z0).

[AsteriskAmp]

I've never actually listened much to versions of Stabat Mater with instruments. I'm more familiar with it sounding like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3tLtcw58Z0).
I'm more familiar with Pergolesi's version which does have instrumentation; thus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNt13Vw-K6Q).

[CurlyKitGirl]

That's way too much formalities for me on what I find a rather non-factual subject, which is why I find myself put off by this kind of discussion.

It can actually get much worse.
Back midway through first or second year of uni I attended a series of lectures by a man called Professor Valentine Cunnigham (http://www.ccc.ox.ac.uk/Fellows/f/32/) (and yes, everyone called him Professor Valentine) about the Bible, midrash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash) and whatnot. Where it gets interesting is that he is very much the stereotypical Oxford Don: eccentric, a little forgetful, prone to ramblings and so on (but alas, no pipe). And so we would get spoken lectures with untranslated Biblical Hebrew that, in the handouts (if he remembered them) would be written in Hebrew script, with a reference to a version of the Bible, some transliteration and then five articles/books/etc. debating the precise translation of this particular phrase, its midrash, where it mirrors other parts of the Bible and so on.
FOR ONE SENTENCE.
While everyone then busily scribbles, "Hebrew sentence x on handout" and tries to catch up with what he just said the Professor them name drops several authors, extremely specific Biblical hermeneutic terminology and interpretative themes and points.
This is just for . . . I think it was the first sentence in the Bible. In the first lecture.
This wasn't a speciality lecture of anything mind you. There were first years in the audience. There were PhD students and Professors in the audience. They were sometimes confused too.
Oh, and this wasn't in the Theology Faculty or anything.
This was the English Faculty, and there were actual professors with actual religious orders to their name (one from Blackfriar's, a PPH founded by Domnicans!) sitting in his lectures getting slightly confused.
So it can most definitely get worse.


Yeah, I don't doubt that. Your topic is at least possible to understand for as long as you possess a moderately extensive vocabulary. Mine, not so much...

I know, I'd need to understand mathematics and physics and computers and all sorts of things. You though, read half a dozen books and you can at least give a considered opinion with reasons to back it up.


On the topic of technology, however,I think I can guess what caused your computer issues: It's probably either too much RAM usage or too much CPU usage, both of which are problems you can monitor and fix through the Task Manager. Now, since I'm the one who's into Computer Science, and not you, I think it's better to just suggest that you close down some non-essential programs when the problem first appears, and restart the computer if that doesn't solve it. Playing around with the Task Manager when you don't know what you're doing can be... dangerous. :smallwink:

I do know how to use Task Manager thank you very much! Just about.
And as I was only using Firefox, and only had eight tabs (seven of which were open to text-only sites (i.e. no videos, ads and very few links)) open I had no idea why it was so laggy. And when I thought there were secret things going on in the background Task Manager said 'lolnope, only Firefox'. And then I looked on the Processes tab and was intimidated so I pretended it didn't exist.
And I'm the best computer user in the house.


The best part, the actual image is just 1 pixel high, and then repeated all the way down the page. When you break it, it's not that you get to the bottom of the image, but you actually break the code of the page*. This forum simply wasn't built to handle this much CurlyPrime (& co). :smallamused:

*Oversimplification/overdramatisation. Probably caused by simple loop termination (okay, continued studies of the phenomenon says that's probably not the case).

Ha! We broke the forum's page limit! Possibly. We're that talkative.


It's possible, although wikipedia doesn't comment on it. It's close enough to Boston that I'm sure some of the mid-1700's protests spilled over to Cambridge.

It's worth a shot, although if you don't like black licorice I can't guarantee anything. Licorice is an acquired taste, for sure.

Oooh riots. Always good for a bit of diversity.
You know when you've been up for a long time when it takes you a while to link 1700s Boston with riots though. Took a whole four seconds, good grief.


But...theological stuff...

Even politics overrides theological stuff. Besides, the HRE was at its zenith (more or less), so be happy that they had control over . . . Spain, Austria, the German states, parts of France, Italy, Switzerland, part of Poland, the Netherlands, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg . . . basically all of central Europe. (And when it was still Carolingian over everything else encompassed most of France and parts of Spain too!)
The Hapsburgs were so ridiculously inbred and had married into (I think) all the major Royal families by this point they couldn't help but marry their own cousins.
That said, the kingdoms of Castille and Navarre (and later just Spain) really took it to extremes.
But I got sdetracked. Can you imagine what it would have been like if they got a properly secure foothold in one of the few non-Scandinavian countries to escape their evermore inbred grasp?!


Coffee is the best. Especially when you pour hot cocoa powder into it. It's hard to explain, it's just a thing around here. It's a bit like alcohol. Most people don't like it at first, but once you've gotten some experience it is yumdeliciousthebest. Also, it is the brew of every exhausted student, which is how people get hooked. Speaking of which...

*takes a swig of coffee*

Blech. I will never understand you coffee lovers. When I was an exhausted student in the midst of an essay crisis I ran on tea, water and food from the nearest (or best) kebab van.


Anyways, British weather, eh? Is it getting cold over there? I was in London a week ago for Thanksgiving (it's a long story) and it wasn't so bad yet. New England weather is fun, because it's clearly got a sense of humor. Unlike the consistent rain that you guys are known for having, our weather reels about like a drunk, never sure where it wants to stand. One day it snows, the next it's bright and warm, and lightning all of a sudden come afterwards. Also, occasional tornadoes and hurricanes. I swear, most of you Europeans have such a wimpy climate.

Yeah yeah, us and our poor temperate climate bounded by the Gulf Stream. That said, exactly one week ago (as of 01:04 am,aka, the writing of this sentence) I was almost up to my knees in freezing cold flood waters after the river burst its banks and basically flooded the main flat part of our village.
I really must put those pictures up tomorrow.
I even got in the local newspaper.
And the weather's basically gone along the same rout for the past month: cold, wet and miserable, with periods of wetter wet and colder cold. last night it was so cold I could literally see the mist rolling off the river and the frost forming around me as I walked home.


I never got French myself. Everyone tells me it's so very beautiful, but after spending some time in France my attitude was "I guess it's alright." English might be messy. The orthography looks like it was assembled by someone who took a hammer to the head. However, I still think it sounds rather pretty. Besides, it's a fascinating linguistic mutant.

L'Academie Francaise is actively against loan words and foreign words, taking them almost two years to think of an acceptable French version of an e-mail (c'est un corriel), and the English term is absolutely not allowed to be used in anything official (even just an office-word e-ma- courriel) let alone the official French dictionary.
It is a shame really as so much English is derived from French or a bastardised version of it. I mean, I can see where l'Academie's coming from, but being so restrictive and prescriptive over its language is patriotism to the point of absurdity.


Interesting. Does this mean that Western Europe believed Martin Luther to be foxy? :smalltongue:

Ooh, perhaps. :smallamused: It just depends on exactly how often he mumbled his way through his ideas.


I would be fascinated to hear how on earth Xenocrates tried to justify his moving number thing. It's just...weird. I blame Pythagoras for this.

I have no idea. Something about the soul being comprised of self-moving units and adding together to make a magic number of perfection. Something ditzy like that.


Søren Kierkegaard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard) was a 19th century Danish philosopher/theologian, and the father of existentialism. He was very concerned with how one is to live as an individual, and the dread and anxiety that come with ethical dilemmas. He's a lot of fun, because he is incredibly witty. So much so that he was sometimes called out for not being serious enough for academia. A lot of existentialists like Sartre, Nietzsche, and Camus owe a lot to him, though they differ very radically from him. Kierkegaard probably would not approve of them. I have not read too much of his stuff, but what I have read I really like. Even when I disagree with him, I can't help but love reading what he writes. From what I have read, I would tentatively say that he may be the greatest Christian philosopher since St. Thomas Aquinas.

So he sounds like Neitzsche, but with a sense of humour? I could get behind that. However I keep getting distracting because his name is Kierke - suspiciously like it could be Danish for 'church', and with cognates to 'kirk' which is a Scottish dialectal form for 'church'.
Also James T. Kirk.
Look, I've been watching the good films and TOS again lately. I need my slash.
Oh, there's another existentialist I hate: Kafka. Almost as miserable as Thomas Hardy.


Our Cambridge was just founded by disgruntled Puritans. :smallsigh:

Oh, how dull. I was expecting something more than a group of grumpy Christians. Not one little scandal at all?


Yes. Read the Summa. It's very weird to read, since it is broken down into separate individual questions. If you have a good table of contents, you can look up what particularly interests you. I actually think that it's pretty good to read from the beginning for at least a little while, because that's where St. Thomas Aquinas explains what philosophy is, what theology is, where they overlap, and where they differ. It's crucial for understanding the rest of his thought.

You'll turn me into a Thomist yet won't you? And when that happens you shall rejoice at converting one of the disbelieving masses into a follower of the Angelic Doctor.
Even if he doesn't have a sonic screwdriver.
here's a thought for you: is the Angelic Doctor the Doctor? :smallrevelation!:


Whoa, Gaudete is quite cool. I love that I can actually now understand significant parts of it, and the grammar underlying it. As for O Come O Come Emmanuel, we were fortunate enough to have sung it during vespers today in the seminary not long after I mentioned it to you. I was quite happy.

You've never heard it before?!
I do wish there were better version online though; the Anuna one is just fine for the chorus, but gaudete - rejoice! Stop sounding so solemn and demanding about it. You're meant to be filled with joy and celebration for Christ has been born and it is a miracle. At least in the choral sections there's a sense of wonder, but the soloist sounds too forceful to really get across the joy one's meant to feel upon hearing the news.
I've listened to a few versions on YouTube, and one of the more amusing ones is Steeleye Span (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDc2FD-vy8M) (or however it's spelt) because the Latin seems a little unsettled, and then they get to ex Maria virginae (sp?) where they actually pronounce it 'virgin-ay' which makes it really jarring seeing as I'm almost certain 'veer-ginae' is how it should be pronounced.
Also Christus as opposed to Chreetus. It just doesn't seem to fit. Especially as one of the guys in the background sounds like he's just speaking the words with a very thick Somersetshire accent.
Ex Mar-ria vir-gin-ay Gow-day-tay indeed.

Also: Anuna sing Fionnghuala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Uv5RFOyM). My brain proceeds to tie itself in knots wondering how to say that at normal speed, and how they sung it so fast.


Oh good, I'll travel back in time, make it succeed, and be like Archbishop Turpin, except without dying. :smalltongue:

You're certainly kickass enough to wield a broadsword with one hand as you charge around a battlefield simultaneously blessing and damning the combatants.


I'm quite fascinated by this discussion, and would like to join, but am scared by the amount of text there. I should probably read Aquinas to understand your posts... wait.

Not necessarily. I've not read very much of Aquinas at all, but I know enough of the surrounding schools and what preceded and followed him to engage in the discussion.
Now come, discuss with us!


Curly, why did you change your gender in the first place?

I think it was very early on in the year, there was some idiot going around being vaguely sexist so I proceeded to troll the person by claiming to be male IRL and only being female online or something.
This person was really not very nice, and so I proceeded to screw with him. Or her. I forget which.


Join in! You need not to know anything! It's more fun that way! Merry philosophy times are ahead of us!

Yes Blue, let us engage in the Socratic method and make a mess out of everything! Your turn to throw out a theologian/philospher/historian/linguist/etc.


Why DID Curly do that? And more importantly, why did I not notice or care? :smalltongue:

For troll lulz. And because you knew I was a girl and didn't really need to look at the gender sign. Also I think it was at a point where you weren't as active in RB.


I again missed the grande posts I would have enjoyed, but meh. Instead of quoting, I will just state my will.

1;Teddy:I agree with Curly, your wall-o-tech discussions are much less interesting to me than these philosophical "I am in love with Aquinas"-"But Locke is famouser!" discussions.:smallbiggrin: Geddit? Wall o' TECH?

It's not that they're less interesting, but it takes a lot more to understand even the basics of coding whereas just reading the Wikipedia page on a philosopher/theologian/idea can give you at least a footing from which to understand the conversation.

That done?
Done?
Good. I've been writing this for about half an hour and my tea's stone cold.

EDIT:
Oh noes. Church music discussion. Incoming quotestorm!


You are now pumped (www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFFHaz9GsY). You're welcome.

edit:

If you don't know, that was originally written to be often used in funerals.

That always amused me how the later orchestral composer made something so angry (in Verdi's case) out of a solemn declaration about the end of the world and the Last Judgement.
Got to say, of all the variations of dies irae I've heard and performed, Verdi's s just my favourite for being so big and angry and large. It really does feel like the end of days.



I need to learn latin and choral composing; I now know the name of this magnificent piece, my eternal gratitude.

You didn't know? It's probably one of the most famous short Latin pieces in the world. Certainly one of the most frequently interpreted.


You should also listen to Mozart's similarly awesome rendition of Dies Irae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1C-GXQ1LdY). It is also very good stuff. It's very fitting considering the fact that Dies Irae is about Armageddon.

I've sung this particular version! The altos didn't get many elaborate lines (in my opinion), but the chorals here are more impressive than in Verdi, but I prefer the musical composition in Verdi. It's bigger.
Mozart's Dies Irae . . . seems to peter out in power ending comparatively weaker.


*explodes from overpumping*

The... awesome... :smalleek:

Yep. Good angry music. That said, I love the Dies Irae that plays in the background throughout much of Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame, particularly in the opening song.
I will love that film forever in spite of those three colossal flaws.
And Hellfire forever. I will never stop talking about the genius of (most of) the music in this film.


Indeed it is. I find choral music quite impressive, mainly due to my inability to sing or compose for singers; but also because of the sheer scale of gathering such a number and getting it to sing different tonalities which result in an amazing pleasant (and amazing sound).

Gregorian Chants in particular tend to be fantastic but the Classical and Baroque pieces are also wonderful. Carmina Burana is however probably still my favourite, even if the lyrics are emo poetry.

Oooh! Ooh! Oooh! DP, link to the Byzantine liturgies and those thingies from the Eastern Orthodox Church! It was that wasn't it? Definitely Orthodox. In . . . Aramaic I want to say?


Can't say I'm familiar with Carmina Burna. As far as really sad Gregorian chant goes, nothing beats Stabat Mater in my opinion.

Gregorian chants are wonderful. Shame I lost a good number of my links to them during a crash about a year ago.

[AsteriskAmp]

It can actually get much worse.
Back midway through first or second year of uni I attended a series of lectures by a man called Professor Valentine Cunnigham (http://www.ccc.ox.ac.uk/Fellows/f/32/) (and yes, everyone called him Professor Valentine) about the Bible, midrash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash) and whatnot. Where it gets interesting is that he is very much the stereotypical Oxford Don: eccentric, a little forgetful, prone to ramblings and so on (but alas, no pipe). And so we would get spoken lectures with untranslated Biblical Hebrew that, in the handouts (if he remembered them) would be written in Hebrew script, with a reference to a version of the Bible, some transliteration and then five articles/books/etc. debating the precise translation of this particular phrase, its midrash, where it mirrors other parts of the Bible and so on.
FOR ONE SENTENCE.
While everyone then busily scribbles, "Hebrew sentence x on handout" and tries to catch up with what he just said the Professor them name drops several authors, extremely specific Biblical hermeneutic terminology and interpretative themes and points.
This is just for . . . I think it was the first sentence in the Bible. In the first lecture.
This wasn't a speciality lecture of anything mind you. There were first years in the audience. There were PhD students and Professors in the audience. They were sometimes confused too.
Oh, and this wasn't in the Theology Faculty or anything.
This was the English Faculty, and there were actual professors with actual religious orders to their name (one from Blackfriar's, a PPH founded by Domnicans!) sitting in his lectures getting slightly confused.
So it can most definitely get worse.I had a philosophy professor which explained why this came to happen and the term for it. She referred to it as "cultural inbreeding"; some branches of humanities, specially those which have limited employment options directly related, normally produce academics; which in turn means they report to other people versed in their area, and end up teaching to people interested in said area; this results in never having to simplify their ideas and generates the expectancy from them that their audience will have read the same material the he or she has. This is compounded throughout generations which in terms makes the reading material even more hermetic to outsiders and increases the volume of references to references.

In turn, newcomers are taught this is normal and they eventually become part of said academic structure. The problem appears when an outsider tries to vaguely discern what the hell is even happening and finds out the references have references.

The sciences avoid this (or mostly those outside pure physics and pure mathematics) due to having to explain it to common day people from time to time, and due to teaching structures having to make a part of what they do accessible to newcomers. Most people don't know how exactly air resistance works, most can't calculate it, but everybody knows it exists and what it does in general terms; which in turn doesn't work for more specialized humanities because explaining conditioning in merely Pavlovian terms is counterproductive, because Heidegger is more complex than "the thinginess of the thing" and because while Martinet's theory is clean and easy to explain and seems perfectly logical, it is only one theory and there are alternatives and empirical disproving is extremely hard, even with Neurolinguistics.

I know, I'd need to understand mathematics and physics and computers and all sorts of things. You though, read half a dozen books and you can at least give a considered opinion with reasons to back it up.Same with the qualitative aspects of many sciences though, reading a small volume of literature might allow one to have a clear but not quantitative understanding of the working of many complex issues. The problems crop up when very specific issues are brought up, which is something that eventually happens in both places.


L'Academie Francaise is actively against loan words and foreign words, taking them almost two years to think of an acceptable French version of an e-mail (c'est un corriel), and the English term is absolutely not allowed to be used in anything official (even just an office-word e-ma- courriel) let alone the official French dictionary.
It is a shame really as so much English is derived from French or a bastardised version of it. I mean, I can see where l'Academie's coming from, but being so restrictive and prescriptive over its language is patriotism to the point of absurdity. I vaguely remember a mentioning of Cultural Protectionism in terms of not just the L'Academie Francaise but also the French government; it seems they still haven't taken well to the end of Paris as the capital of anything but France (no longer neither the cultural nor the intellectual nor the economic capital [not that it ever was the last] of the world). I recall heavy payments being required for the use of non-French words in French media.


That always amused me how the later orchestral composer made something so angry (in Verdi's case) out of a solemn declaration about the end of the world and the Last Judgement.
Got to say, of all the variations of dies irae I've heard and performed, Verdi's s just my favourite for being so big and angry and large. It really does feel like the end of days.
That was the aim of most orchestral composers in terms of holy music, either make it a rage storm or something so depressing it would make a german slightly curve his lip. As it happens angry music tends to normally have more marked bass, the bass's (or in general lower pitched sounds) wavelength has been proven to affect the brain in interesting ways; a music teacher of mine once commented the reason churches used organs is because the resonance does affect the way you perceive the situation, coupled with the lower pitch sounds it make one sink into a more contemplative state.



You didn't know? It's probably one of the most famous short Latin pieces in the world. Certainly one of the most frequently interpreted.I knew the sound, not the name. My knowledge of music is limited in terms of sung music.


Oooh! Ooh! Oooh! DP, link to the Byzantine liturgies and those thingies from the Eastern Orthodox Church! It was that wasn't it? Definitely Orthodox. In . . . Aramaic I want to say?I have to say I'm mostly lost at what is being said in here though. I had not heard before of the Byzantine liturgies and Carmina Burana is in Latin, German and French from what I remember.

[DraPrime]

Blech. I will never understand you coffee lovers. When I was an exhausted student in the midst of an essay crisis I ran on tea, water and food from the nearest (or best) kebab van.

*swigs coffee*

You see, if you drink enough caffeine you develop a tolerance for it, which means that tea doesn't do it. Besides, throw in some good cream and sugar and you have a pretty solid beverage. Kebabs are the best; they're pretty much all I subsist on while traveling in Europe. Forget trying local cuisine, the Turks have got me covered. No doubt all my ancestors who fought in Poland's many battles with the Turks are rolling in their graves at that sentence.


Yeah yeah, us and our poor temperate climate bounded by the Gulf Stream. That said, exactly one week ago (as of 01:04 am,aka, the writing of this sentence) I was almost up to my knees in freezing cold flood waters after the river burst its banks and basically flooded the main flat part of our village.
I really must put those pictures up tomorrow.
I even got in the local newspaper.
And the weather's basically gone along the same rout for the past month: cold, wet and miserable, with periods of wetter wet and colder cold. last night it was so cold I could literally see the mist rolling off the river and the frost forming around me as I walked home.

Ah, so that's what that was about. As I was getting on my plain in Heathrow I saw the BBC broadcasting some story about torrential downpours in England. Frankly I was baffled by why that was news, but flooding certainly is a significant event. I hope no kebab stands got washed out, that would be awful.


L'Academie Francaise is actively against loan words and foreign words, taking them almost two years to think of an acceptable French version of an e-mail (c'est un corriel), and the English term is absolutely not allowed to be used in anything official (even just an office-word e-ma- courriel) let alone the official French dictionary.
It is a shame really as so much English is derived from French or a bastardised version of it. I mean, I can see where l'Academie's coming from, but being so restrictive and prescriptive over its language is patriotism to the point of absurdity.

Would it be rude of me to point out to them that they speak some weird sort of Germanicized Celtic/Latin thing?


Ooh, perhaps. :smallamused: It just depends on exactly how often he mumbled his way through his ideas.

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/L/Martin-Luther-9389283-1-402.jpg

Ladies...here I stand, and I can do no other. :smallcool:

Oddly enough, there is a guy at the seminary who looks almost exactly like Martin Luther. We wouldn't stop teasing him about it the moment we noticed the resemblance.


So he sounds like Neitzsche, but with a sense of humour? I could get behind that. However I keep getting distracting because his name is Kierke - suspiciously like it could be Danish for 'church', and with cognates to 'kirk' which is a Scottish dialectal form for 'church'.
Also James T. Kirk.
Look, I've been watching the good films and TOS again lately. I need my slash.
Oh, there's another existentialist I hate: Kafka. Almost as miserable as Thomas Hardy.

Kierkegaard is different from Nietzsche because he actually believes in morality and being good to other people. Both are very focused on the individual, but in very different ways. Existentialism is odd as a school of philosophy, because it's not really united in belief like Platonism or Thomism are, but rather in what it pursues, which is how one is to exist as an individual. Obviously some common threads show up, but it is extremely varied.


Oh, how dull. I was expecting something more than a group of grumpy Christians. Not one little scandal at all?

No scandals were involved in its founding, unless you find the Puritans scandalous. I mostly think of them as being the source of one of my favorite Blackadder episodes. "Cold is God's way of telling us that we need to burn more Catholics!" Heh. Harvard was actually a Puritan seminary at first, so I suspect that a few of the men behind the Salem witch trials were educated there, so there's a scandal for you.


You'll turn me into a Thomist yet won't you? And when that happens you shall rejoice at converting one of the disbelieving masses into a follower of the Angelic Doctor.
Even if he doesn't have a sonic screwdriver.
here's a thought for you: is the Angelic Doctor the Doctor? :smallrevelation!:

Yes, Curly, join us! It'll be awesome! Sadly, St. Thomas Aquinas is not a time lord. I'm pretty sure Aquinas would actually have something interesting to say about the Doctor. From how I understand his view on the soul-body relationship, he'd actually believe that the two are bound so closely together that one can't simply just give an entirely new body and personality to someone and have it be the same person. In other words, the Doctor has died a bunch of times only to be replaced by an entirely new being constituted out of the same matter and with the same memories. There are currently ten dead men somewhere in the afterlife watching the eleventh man at this moment. I privately hold to this theory for my own amusement, even though I realize that in the show the Doctor is the same man in every body that he has.


You've never heard it before?!
I do wish there were better version online though; the Anuna one is just fine for the chorus, but gaudete - rejoice! Stop sounding so solemn and demanding about it. You're meant to be filled with joy and celebration for Christ has been born and it is a miracle. At least in the choral sections there's a sense of wonder, but the soloist sounds too forceful to really get across the joy one's meant to feel upon hearing the news.
I've listened to a few versions on YouTube, and one of the more amusing ones is Steeleye Span (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDc2FD-vy8M) (or however it's spelt) because the Latin seems a little unsettled, and then they get to ex Maria virginae (sp?) where they actually pronounce it 'virgin-ay' which makes it really jarring seeing as I'm almost certain 'veer-ginae' is how it should be pronounced.
Also Christus as opposed to Chreetus. It just doesn't seem to fit. Especially as one of the guys in the background sounds like he's just speaking the words with a very thick Somersetshire accent.
Ex Mar-ria vir-gin-ay Gow-day-tay indeed.

Also: Anuna sing Fionnghuala (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Uv5RFOyM). My brain proceeds to tie itself in knots wondering how to say that at normal speed, and how they sung it so fast.

You should hear how I sometimes pronounce Latin. It's not that things are wrong, so much as that I have a hybrid accent. The fact that I'm American comes across strongly in my voice, but I also have Polish mixing in there. No doubt if there was some Roman who knew modern accents he'd have a very hard time figuring out where I'm from judging by my voice. This only happens with foreign languages though. I have a completely normal American accent when I speak English. Well, a New England accent really. American English is diverse enough that there is really no one accent.


You're certainly kickass enough to wield a broadsword with one hand as you charge around a battlefield simultaneously blessing and damning the combatants.

This has been my dream ever since I joined the seminary.


EDIT:
Oh noes. Church music discussion. Incoming quotestorm!

I was wondering when you were going to get in on the action. :smallamused:


That always amused me how the later orchestral composer made something so angry (in Verdi's case) out of a solemn declaration about the end of the world and the Last Judgement.
Got to say, of all the variations of dies irae I've heard and performed, Verdi's s just my favourite for being so big and angry and large. It really does feel like the end of days.

I've always been a big fan of Mozart's version as far as orchestral arrangements go. Granted, Verdi has that phenomenal booming drum, and buckets of bombast, but I just find Mozart to have written a more beautiful version of the hymn.


I've sung this particular version! The altos didn't get many elaborate lines (in my opinion), but the chorals here are more impressive than in Verdi, but I prefer the musical composition in Verdi. It's bigger.
Mozart's Dies Irae . . . seems to peter out in power ending comparatively weaker.

It definitely has less fire to it...but there's just something about Mozart's version that just moves me more. I don't know what it is, but it's there.


Oooh! Ooh! Oooh! DP, link to the Byzantine liturgies and those thingies from the Eastern Orthodox Church! It was that wasn't it? Definitely Orthodox. In . . . Aramaic I want to say?

Very well my dear Cirrata. First, Serbia has some great music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKYGnVVRJE) from the monastery of High Decani. I find it fun to listen to because my knowledge of Polish allows me to pick up a lot of what is being said in Serbian. Now, if Serbian is not your thing, then perhaps some wonderful Greek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJODxvgkfE0) would suit you better. Byzantine music was written around very consonantal languages such as Greek, Old Church Slavonic, Aramaic, Arabic, etc. This means that it does very well in being adapted to English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNEXeYShbsE). That piece is quite nice, since it is the oldest known Christian hymn that does not appear in the New Testament. By the way, I mentioned that Byzantine music was written for Arabic. The Melkites used it for a rather interesting flash mob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZS9o6NLnM&list=FLabJvrdkzGpe27ibiWVhlfg&index=58&feature=plpp_video) in Lebanon. Basically, Byzantine chant is awesome.

edit:

I should also throw in a mention of Templar music. Before they were supressed they had some truly majestic music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEXNKDVs8Sw) Just listen to how incredibly low some of them can sing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSuyUFiEYo). It's impressive. I'm quite sad that they got put down. The other knightly orders managed to survive to modern day. The Hospitalers even still have a standing army!

extra edit:

Speaking of knightly hymns, I am a big fan of Bogurodzica (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLBVi4wnFM), a hymn sung by Polish knights before battle.

[MoonCat]

Soooo much things.

Yeah. I'm sorry guys, I hve so many things I want to tell you, but then it's too late, but then I don't want to go on becuase I have ever more stuff to tell everyone, but if I don't go on, it stacks up, and if I don't tell about all the good things, I'm sad.

Compromise, I shall tell one things from last week, pretend the last five weeks before that had nothing interesting in them, and move onwards with a feeling of regret!

ION: Guys, remember that night I was telling y'all about my AmazingTM decision to, upon being assigned a month and a half to do a project, not even begin until 9 PM the night before it was due?

Well, I got over a hundred percent on the project, and the test on it the next day, which I took after two hours of sleep.

Can I get some worshippers? I really want worshippers. :smalltongue::smallbiggrin::smallwink:

And in other news, I'm finally making friends! Although, small sad thing, a few days ago, a kid form the grade below me (the grade that I used to be in), informed me that most of that class dislikes me. I'm not sure why. I haven't been in that school system while being in their grade since fifth.

Actually, I'm more perplexed about the circumstances in which I got mentioned to the students (which caused one of them to apparently call me a bitch and then have much of the class agree with him.(And I don't even know the person who caleed me that. At elas,t I don't recognize the name.)). Apparently, while they were in middle school, a teacher I never had who I've never met, used some of my work from a grade years below her classes as an example for something. Wha-?

<HUGS FOR EVERYONE I PROMISE I WONT VANISH FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT>*

*Unless another vehicle crashes into something and cuts off the entire internet/phone system for my city again. That happened this morning too.

[Mynxae]

Soooo much things.

Yeah. I'm sorry guys, I hve so many things I want to tell you, but then it's too late, but then I don't want to go on becuase I have ever more stuff to tell everyone, but if I don't go on, it stacks up, and if I don't tell about all the good things, I'm sad.

Compromise, I shall tell one things from last week, pretend the last five weeks before that had nothing interesting in them, and move onwards with a feeling of regret!

ION: Guys, remember that night I was telling y'all about my AmazingTM decision to, upon being assigned a month and a half to do a project, not even begin until 9 PM the night before it was due?

Well, I got over a hundred percent on the project, and the test on it the next day, which I took after two hours of sleep.

Can I get some worshippers? I really want worshippers. :smalltongue::smallbiggrin::smallwink:

And in other news, I'm finally making friends! Although, small sad thing, a few days ago, a kid form the grade below me (the grade that I used to be in), informed me that most of that class dislikes me. I'm not sure why. I haven't been in that school system while being in their grade since fifth.

Actually, I'm more perplexed about the circumstances in which I got mentioned to the students (which caused one of them to apparently call me a bitch and then have much of the class agree with him.(And I don't even know the person who caleed me that. At elas,t I don't recognize the name.)). Apparently, while they were in middle school, a teacher I never had who I've never met, used some of my work from a grade years below her classes as an example for something. Wha-?

<HUGS FOR EVERYONE I PROMISE I WONT VANISH FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT>*

*Unless another vehicle crashes into something and cuts off the entire internet/phone system for my city again. That happened this morning too.

MOONIE! *tackle hugs* We missed you!

[DraPrime]

MoonCat, you're alive!

*super hug*

It has been so very long since I last saw you. Mostly due to my own absence, but still, it's good to see you again.

[MoonCat]

@My-My: How long HAS it been? I kind of can't tell what day it is anymore, my brain got fried.

@DP: Heya! I saw yer post in the Goodbye thread, but I figured I'd say hi when I got back.

ION: Vaguely irritated because I can't I can't find my English copy of Death Note: How To Read, so I have to read it in French to find the info I'm looking for. And I'm not at my peak when it comes to reading a differently language right now. I can't barely do English.

(For the record, that last sentence I didn't do on purpose, I am genuinely that fried right now. I left it because I thought it would be an example.)

[Devmaar]

ION: Guys, remember that night I was telling y'all about my AmazingTM decision to, upon being assigned a month and a half to do a project, not even begin until 9 PM the night before it was due?

Well, I got over a hundred percent on the project, and the test on it the next day, which I took after two hours of sleep.

Can I get some worshippers? I really want worshippers. :smalltongue::smallbiggrin::smallwink:

While your achievement is noteworthy, I fond the concept of any assignment in which it possible to score over 100% severely annoying, so I'm afraid I cannot grant you worshippers.

And huzzah for friends! The friends I have made this term can now comfortably be called a few, long gone the days when I was happy to have reached a plural.

[MoonCat]

While your achievement is noteworthy, I fond the concept of any assignment in which it possible to score over 100% severely annoying, so I'm afraid I cannot grant you worshippers.

And huzzah for friends! The friends I have made this term can now comfortably be called a few, long gone the days when I was happy to have reached a plural.

Yeah, I know the feel. Have ye seen the epic Ponder Stibbons thing about 110%?

[Devmaar]

Not that I remember, was it in one of the books?

[MoonCat]

Not that I remember, was it in one of the books?

Yeah. It's either Unseen Academicals or the Last Hero.

[Qwertystop]

Oh, almost forgot:

SAT Completed!

EDIT: The 110% thing? That was something like 110% being impossible because if you get better you've just made the 110% bigger? That was Academicals. Don't quite see what's so epic about that, I was trying to tell phys. ed. teachers that since I learned what "percent" meant.

[Devmaar]

I just googled The Last Hero and... I don't think I've read it...

I thought I'd read all the Discworld novels...

I need to take a minute...
Think through some things...


Also I need to go to sleep. It's after 3am and I want to get up in time to do chores before D&D

[MoonCat]

Oh, almost forgot:

SAT Completed!

EDIT: The 110% thing? That was something like 110% being impossible because if you get better you've just made the 110% bigger? That was Academicals. Don't quite see what's so epic about that, I was trying to tell phys. ed. teachers that since I learned what "percent" meant.

Weeel, I liked it. Which reminds me, I now know the root of the word pedant. ^.^


I just googled The Last Hero and... I don't think I've read it...

I thought I'd read all the Discworld novels...

I need to take a minute...
Think through some things...


Also I need to go to sleep. It's after 3am and I want to get up in time to do chores before D&D

It's beautiful. It's got the most lovely artwork, and I love it. I think i got my copy in Belgium.

My Pratchett-related regret at the moment is that I don't possess Eric with the pictures. :smallfrown::smallfrown::smallfrown:

[DraPrime]

So as I write my essay (page thirteen!) I have come across an interesting question. If a person was born without any ability to sense anything, could they think at all? No sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, and no taste. Nothing. Would they really be capable of thought?

It seems not to me. First of all, we are almost entirely dependent on language for our thought. I find myself incapable of just thinking up a language for myself on the spot when I think. I've always got either English or Polish going through my head, or some mixture of the two. I suppose I could think in terms of emotions like happiness or anger on a basic level, but I've experienced these emotions in reaction to things I have experienced through the senses. So then I don't have any means of thinking.

Then there's the problem that I have nothing to think about. If I had never experienced anything, what would I think about? Perhaps some sort of sense of my own existence? Yet it seems to me that I know my own existence because I think. I think, therefore I am as the saying goes. So if I don't think, how would I even be able to sense my own existence? It seems to me that a person with no senses simply couldn't think. They'd be unconscious.

[Blue Ghost]

So as I write my essay (page thirteen!) I have come across an interesting question. If a person was born without any ability to sense anything, could they think at all? No sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, and no taste. Nothing. Would they really be capable of thought?

It seems not to me. First of all, we are almost entirely dependent on language for our thought. I find myself incapable of just thinking up a language for myself on the spot when I think. I've always got either English or Polish going through my head, or some mixture of the two. I suppose I could think in terms of emotions like happiness or anger on a basic level, but I've experienced these emotions in reaction to things I have experienced through the senses. So then I don't have any means of thinking.

Then there's the problem that I have nothing to think about. If I had never experienced anything, what would I think about? Perhaps some sort of sense of my own existence? Yet it seems to me that I know my own existence because I think. I think, therefore I am as the saying goes. So if I don't think, how would I even be able to sense my own existence? It seems to me that a person with no senses simply couldn't think. They'd be unconscious.

I think you're on to something. Conversely, I don't think it's possible for a conscious person to have no senses at all. If a person has no sense of the outside world, how would they know of a self to distinguish from that which is not self? How would that even work?

Hi Luna! Welcome back~ :smallsmile:

[AsteriskAmp]

So as I write my essay (page thirteen!) I have come across an interesting question. If a person was born without any ability to sense anything, could they think at all? No sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, and no taste. Nothing. Would they really be capable of thought?

It seems not to me. First of all, we are almost entirely dependent on language for our thought. I find myself incapable of just thinking up a language for myself on the spot when I think. I've always got either English or Polish going through my head, or some mixture of the two. I suppose I could think in terms of emotions like happiness or anger on a basic level, but I've experienced these emotions in reaction to things I have experienced through the senses. So then I don't have any means of thinking.There is a case of a village, in Nicaragua I believe, where a government plan shunned out a massive community of deaf people, illiterate deaf people to the middle of nothing. They had no language at all or an idea of it. Their offspring had no knowledge of sign-language or language at all but they managed to build their own from scratch before the age of 12. It can also be argued that our brains are wired towards certain lines of development, there is a neurological reason to us developing such mental structures, at least in terms of language.

While thought without language seems impossible, we have no way to determine if it is in fact impossible because we are able to formulate images or sounds (while this both derive from senses), in terms of emotions one would have to determine if there is such thing as in vacuo emotions or all of them have a context.

There has been research (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4265763.stm) into whether language allows you to perform complex operations, mainly in people who lost their language capability and not the speech itself. While it there is no case of absolute loss of the concept of word meaning, the fact that this people have no trouble performing mathematical operations while lacking the ability to produce grammar seems to suggest that language may just happen to be part of the way we communicate (which a person with no conception of other on his surroundings wouldn't have the need for) what we have already conceived.

Then there's the problem that I have nothing to think about. If I had never experienced anything, what would I think about? Perhaps some sort of sense of my own existence? Yet it seems to me that I know my own existence because I think. I think, therefore I am as the saying goes. So if I don't think, how would I even be able to sense my own existence? It seems to me that a person with no senses simply couldn't think. They'd be unconscious.A person with no sense would be senseless, but not unconscious, it could imagine; and potentially formulate a reality that is beyond us because you could say we are tampered by experience. Which is part of the Cartesian argument IRC, that we can imagine reality and as such should not trust it as the scholastic did; and not the other way around, that we imagine what we see in reality.

I think you're on to something. Conversely, I don't think it's possible for a conscious person to have no senses at all. If a person has no sense of the outside world, how would they know of a self to distinguish from that which is not self? How would that even work?
Because there is no perception of other phenomenon they wouldn't have to distinguish themselves because it is all they would know exists.

It also depends on how one defines consciousness. Being aware of differentiating between the environment and oneself and being aware of being oneself do make a difference when hypothetical arguments such as this are made.

EDIT: This person is also capable of movement even if unaware what it entails, it at the very least recognizes it has movable appendages even if it doesn't know what they are and what they are for.

EDIT TO EDIT: Pinker, a linguist, makes a similar question to yours, at least in linguistic terms of thought. Nietzsche also deals with the issue of how we think about thinking when he mentions that we only notice our rational discursive thought and forget about the giant iceberg of non-intentional and non-rational thoughts.

Weeel, I liked it. Which reminds me, I now know the root of the word pedant. ^.^Root being the Italian "Pedante" which means teacher.

[HalfTangible]

I tried to write 'HalfTangible' in gallefreyan (the fan version)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/HTGallifreyan.png
I'd be willing to bet it looks like putting 'there' to mean 'they are'.

[Mynxae]

@Moonie - It's been at least a whole RB thread, perhaps two. So a week or two I'd say? :smalleek:

ION: Well, there goes what I had planned to be a great night. So angry. :smallfurious: If I hadn't re-organised the person who was coming yesterday to stay tomorrow instead, I'd have already left for Ele's place because himself, his family, heck even the environment of his house, calms me down. :smallmad:

[MoonCat]

@Moonie - It's been at least a whole RB thread, perhaps two. So a week or two I'd say? :smalleek:

ION: Well, there goes what I had planned to be a great night. So angry. :smallfurious: If I hadn't re-organised the person who was coming yesterday to stay tomorrow instead, I'd have already left for Ele's place because himself, his family, heck even the environment of his house, calms me down. :smallmad:

TWO?? I posted in the forty-somethingth page of the last thread!!!! <headdesk>

[Mutant Sheep]

@Moonie - It's been at least a whole RB thread, perhaps two. So a week or two I'd say? :smalleek:

ION: Well, there goes what I had planned to be a great night. So angry. :smallfurious: If I hadn't re-organised the person who was coming yesterday to stay tomorrow instead, I'd have already left for Ele's place because himself, his family, heck even the environment of his house, calms me down. :smallmad:

That is hardly long. Why, I remember, I went a whole 13 years without posting here. :smalltongue:

@Moon And that was at least 5 days ago. :smallwink: :smallbiggrin: And I didnt say this yet, but its nice to see you Moonz. :smallsmile: Youw as all *not posting* and I was all *chat with knee*

[Amidus Drexel]

I'm afraid that if I go to sleep, I'll wake up and we'll be on page 20 or something.


So as I write my essay (page thirteen!) I have come across an interesting question. If a person was born without any ability to sense anything, could they think at all? No sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, and no taste. Nothing. Would they really be capable of thought?

It seems not to me. First of all, we are almost entirely dependent on language for our thought. I find myself incapable of just thinking up a language for myself on the spot when I think. I've always got either English or Polish going through my head, or some mixture of the two. I suppose I could think in terms of emotions like happiness or anger on a basic level, but I've experienced these emotions in reaction to things I have experienced through the senses. So then I don't have any means of thinking.

Then there's the problem that I have nothing to think about. If I had never experienced anything, what would I think about? Perhaps some sort of sense of my own existence? Yet it seems to me that I know my own existence because I think. I think, therefore I am as the saying goes. So if I don't think, how would I even be able to sense my own existence? It seems to me that a person with no senses simply couldn't think. They'd be unconscious.

May I assume that the ability to sense temperature and vibrations are also denied to this person? This hypothetical person doesn't seem to have much of a nervous system. :smalltongue:

When you are conscious, your senses are active; when you are unconscious, they are (to a large degree) not. Should your senses not be active, this would imply unconsciousness. But even unconscious people (ones that are sleeping, anyway), can sense things (loud noises, bright lights, touch, etc.), so maybe I need a new definition for unconscious. Similar to a coma, perhaps? I'm not sure where to go from there.

As far as for what someone without senses would think about, I'll go out on a limb and say language, logic, and math (in that order).


TWO?? I posted in the forty-somethingth page of the last thread!!!! <headdesk>

Don't worry; it was only last thread.

[MoonCat]

Don't worry; it was only last thread.

Yes, I am vaguely aware that fifty pages and then some more haven't gone by since I drowned in stuffness.

EDIT: Wow, I just checke,d and it was longer than I thought. :smalleek:

[DraPrime]

My essay is done. Yes. Done. I am so happy. Granted, this is only the first draft that was due, so I'll have to work on it, but it's done for now. My professor isn't even grading this first draft. All I need is the requisite number of pages. I tried to make it at least competent, if not necessarily good, and I think I have succeeded. I'd dance a merry jig if I were not so tired.

[Amidus Drexel]

My essay is done. Yes. Done. I am so happy. Granted, this is only the first draft that was due, so I'll have to work on it, but it's done for now. My professor isn't even grading this first draft. All I need is the requisite number of pages. I tried to make it at least competent, if not necessarily good, and I think I have succeeded. I'd dance a merry jig if I were not so tired.

Congratulations!

15 pages is a lot better than two sentences of gibberish that constitute most of my rough drafts. :smallamused: I do better when I can get in the right frame of mind and just write the final copy.

[AsteriskAmp]

My essay is done. Yes. Done. I am so happy. Granted, this is only the first draft that was due, so I'll have to work on it, but it's done for now. My professor isn't even grading this first draft. All I need is the requisite number of pages. I tried to make it at least competent, if not necessarily good, and I think I have succeeded. I'd dance a merry jig if I were not so tired.Here, have some jazz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyocyn8aduE&feature=plcp).

[DraPrime]

Here, have some jazz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyocyn8aduE&feature=plcp).

*looks at video description*
*sees name of the pianist*

Whoa. That is quite cool.

[Amidus Drexel]

Here, have some jazz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyocyn8aduE&feature=plcp).

Splendidly done, sir!

And now, I retire to bed.

Can we not get past, say, page 8 in the next ten hours? Please?

[Blue Ghost]

My essay is done. Yes. Done. I am so happy. Granted, this is only the first draft that was due, so I'll have to work on it, but it's done for now. My professor isn't even grading this first draft. All I need is the requisite number of pages. I tried to make it at least competent, if not necessarily good, and I think I have succeeded. I'd dance a merry jig if I were not so tired.

Hurrah! This is a cause for celebration. *spins*

I don't have much writing to do right now, but in high school, I'd always finish my papers in a single draft. I'd try to add new things on my second draft, but usually I'd decide that it was good enough, make a few style changes, and call it good.

[DraPrime]

Hurrah! This is a cause for celebration. *spins*

I don't have much writing to do right now, but in high school, I'd always finish my papers in a single draft. I'd try to add new things on my second draft, but usually I'd decide that it was good enough, make a few style changes, and call it good.

I usually write in one draft, but the professor required this, so I wrote it this way. Honestly, I'm glad it happened because I would have procrastinated a lot and ended up writing as I did now when the essay really was due.

[AsteriskAmp]

*looks at video description*
*sees name of the pianist*

Whoa. That is quite cool.*bows*

Thanks.


Hurrah! This is a cause for celebration. *spins*

I don't have much writing to do right now, but in high school, I'd always finish my papers in a single draft. I'd try to add new things on my second draft, but usually I'd decide that it was good enough, make a few style changes, and call it good.I believe the main revision would be those by indication rather than by free will.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Panicked about being behind on my Christmas shopping for a whole half hour before I realized I had finished already. Huzzah! Now I get to take advantage of all the Christmas sales for myself.

[LaZodiac]

*Best Friend*

Mooooooooooooooooooooooony!

*tacklehugs*

Sorry I missed you being online, was at work being awesome. Sunday's a day off some come online for sure! I missed you so much! I even had to take your turn in DND (and I crit :smallamused:)

[MoonCat]

@DP: Cool! I love finishing a worky thing, it's always so satisfying. Even first drafts.


Mooooooooooooooooooooooony!

*tacklehugs*

Sorry I missed you being online, was at work being awesome. Sunday's a day off some come online for sure! I missed you so much! I even had to take your turn in DND (and I crit :smallamused:)

I'm yer best friend? <heart warms>

I notice,d I was desperately trying to catch up when I realized the last post I saw was the one announcing my turn.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I could say just about anything couldn't I?

Anyone know where I can get a good Greek virgin girl? I need Greek virgin blood to complete the offering to Ba'al.

What do you do for a harpoon wound? I told my sister to stay out of the garage and now look! She's bleeding out!

I got these two suitcases full of money and I can't keep them in my house because we're "fumigating". I need to stash it at one of your houses until the "exterminators" leave if you catch my meaning.

Sometimes I intentionally cut myself shaving just to feel something.

[Mutant Sheep]

I dont believe in first drafts. MY FIRST WORK IS MY FINEST WORK. :smallbiggrin:

AUGH. POST ABOUT CHRISTMAS SHOPPING!:smalleek: IT ONLY JUST TURNED DECEMBER YOU ******* ADS!:smallfurious:

Edit: Well, genuine Greek blood can be a hard find. Would Crete count? :smallwink:

(Seriouser, however, when you are a new person to the Banter, the only effective way to be recognized and adressed is by adressing the regulars with a thought provoking response, giving them a great first impression and scaring them into replying to you. :smalltongue:)

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I dont believe in first drafts. MY FIRST WORK IS MY FINEST WORK. :smallbiggrin:

AUGH. POST ABOUT CHRISTMAS SHOPPING!:smalleek: IT ONLY JUST TURNED DECEMBER YOU ******* ADS!:smallfurious:

Yeah. December's a write-off because it's just so packed and so much of a hassle. Shipping takes too long, stores never stock what you're looking for. The unwritten rule is that if you're still shopping in December you've left it too long.

Thanks for noticing my post and making my funny little bit about people not paying attention to me irrelevant. Whatever. I'm keeping it.

[DraPrime]

I could say just about anything couldn't I?

Anyone know where I can get a good Greek virgin girl? I need Greek virgin blood to complete the offering to Ba'al.

What do you do for a harpoon wound? I told my sister to stay out of the garage and now look! She's bleeding out!

I got these two suitcases full of money and I can't keep them in my house because we're "fumigating". I need to stash it at one of your houses until the "exterminators" leave if you catch my meaning.

Sometimes I intentionally cut myself shaving just to feel something.

:smallconfused: :smalleek:

I hope none of those are true, particularly that last one.

[Dimonite]

Splendidly done, sir!

And now, I retire to bed.

Can we not get past, say, page 8 in the next ten hours? Please?

You realize we can't promise that, right? I, for one, fully expect to wake up to a new thread tomorrow, especially given that upon refreshing the page in the other tab, I found that there have been four new posts while I was writing this short message.

[Mutant Sheep]

Hey, that last one is a great way to wake up in the morning! :smalltongue: Nothing jolts you awake like a bleedin' gash across your lip.

[AsteriskAmp]

I could say just about anything couldn't I?

Anyone know where I can get a good Greek virgin girl? I need Greek virgin blood to complete the offering to Ba'al.Greece might be a good starting point.

What do you do for a harpoon wound? I told my sister to stay out of the garage and now look! She's bleeding out!You find a whale and transplant the wounded tissue to it and replace it with whale fat.

I got these two suitcases full of money and I can't keep them in my house because we're "fumigating". I need to stash it at one of your houses until the "exterminators" leave if you catch my meaning.You can leave it next to the Tesla Coil next to the suspended human brain in my basement.

Sometimes I intentionally cut myself shaving just to feel something.You may have CIPA.

[HalfTangible]

I tried to write 'HalfTangible' in gallefreyan (the fan version)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/HTGallifreyan.png
I'd be willing to bet it looks like putting 'there' to mean 'they are'.

Also did 'Lazodiac' at Lala's request.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/LaZodiacGallifreyan-1.png

[AsteriskAmp]

Also did 'Lazodiac' at Lala's request.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/LaZodiacGallifreyan-1.pngWhich alphabet are you using?

[MoonCat]

HT, can you do MoonCat?

Also, Crunk, isn't it worse now that you know that we do read your posts, but, in your opinion, don't bother to respond?

[LaZodiac]

I'm yer best friend? <heart warms>

I notice,d I was desperately trying to catch up when I realized the last post I saw was the one announcing my turn.

Mooooony! Yes, you're my best friend :smallsmile:

[DJ Yung Crunk]

You find a whale and transplant the wounded tissue to it and replace it with whale fat.

You calling my sister a whale?

Also this jazz track is quite good, I must say. Do "Strange Meadowlark" next!

[Mutant Sheep]

I'm my OWN best friend. Well, me and imagination. And perscription medications. Them too. And *lists inane number of inanimate objects, sneaks in actual person, continues with list of random nouns*

Also, Moooooonieeeeeeeeeeeee.... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:smalltongue: IT IS ALMOST 10 PM..... YOU SHOULD GET TO BEDDDDDDDDDD...:smallbiggrin:

[Dimonite]

I'm my OWN best friend. Well, me and imagination. And perscription medications. Them too. And *lists inane number of inanimate objects, sneaks in actual person, continues with list of random nouns*

Also, Moooooonieeeeeeeeeeeee.... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:smalltongue: IT IS ALMOST 10 PM..... YOU SHOULD GET TO BEDDDDDDDDDD...:smallbiggrin:

Well if that ain't the black sheep calling the black cat black I don't know what is. (Yeah, I maimed that idiom pretty hard there). Where you and I are, it's about midnight, ya silly ship.

[Elemental]

Oh yes, blame Britain for everything! It's always their fault! Next thing you'll be blaming us for the Spice Girls! Oh wait . . .
Next thing you'll be blaming us for the Franco-Prussian war!

Hmm... Finding a method by which England can be blamed for the Franco-Prussian War? Easy. I've already managed to blame a certain individual for every major war in the latter half of the twentieth century and the twenty-first century thus far.

Okay... Here we go... England was over a period of some time forced to give up their control over continental territories, and thus, their political influence in the strategic territory of Flanders was lost.
If they had kept their influence, then they would have intervened in the events leading up to the Franco-Prussian War in order to protect their interests.
It's simple really.



Oh good, I'll travel back in time, make it succeed, and be like Archbishop Turpin, except without dying. :smalltongue:

And I'll travel back in time to stop you.
For the Empire!
Because, you know, without it, I wouldn't be alive, or if I was, I'd be living somewhere in Wiltshire.



3;Teddy again: Doesn't most EVERYONE celebrate the Eve, rather than teh true day? Most of the celebrations are held on the Eve, with the day itself being solely a second Thanksgiving, complete with turkey. (For my familia, at least)

No. We celebrate the day here. Going to my Auntie's place to spend Christmas with Mum's family and we might do something soon afterwards with Dad's family.
I remember when I was little, we used to spend the morning and early afternoon at Granddad's old place in Woodford, then the evening at Nanna's and then the rest of the day at Grandma's.
It was an all day Christmas with various grandparents extravaganza. Christmas lunch and Christmas dinner!



The Hapsburgs were so ridiculously inbred and had married into (I think) all the major Royal families by this point they couldn't help but marry their own cousins.
That said, the kingdoms of Castille and Navarre (and later just Spain) really took it to extremes.

The Kingdoms of Aragon, Galicia and Leon are upset that you quite neatly forgot their existence. I mean... The Kingdom of Spain was formed from the union of Aragon and Castille through the marriage of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille.



I should also throw in a mention of Templar music. Before they were supressed they had some truly majestic music. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEXNKDVs8Sw) Just listen to how incredibly low some of them can sing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSuyUFiEYo). It's impressive. I'm quite sad that they got put down. The other knightly orders managed to survive to modern day. The Hospitalers even still have a standing army!

extra edit:

Speaking of knightly hymns, I am a big fan of Bogurodzica (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLBVi4wnFM), a hymn sung by Polish knights before battle.

Weren't they put down because their leaders converted to Lutheranism? Wait, no... That's the Teutonic Order.
They both start with T. That's my excuse.



Also did 'Lazodiac' at Lala's request.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/LaZodiacGallifreyan-1.png

Cool. How do you do them so I can steal your method and set myself up as a rival company?

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I hope none of those are true, particularly that last one.

They're all completely true as you can tell by the serious tone in my voice.

[Dimonite]

They're all completely true as you can tell by the serious tone in my voice.

Because we can all clearly hear your voice over text.

Seriously, bluetext for sarcasm!

[AsteriskAmp]

You calling my sister a whale?

Also this jazz track is quite good, I must say. Do "Strange Meadowlark" next!No, I'm not; I'm proposing moving the wound to a whale so that she is no longer wounded by a harpoon.

Thanks; I'll try, but I can't promise anything considering I have finals and I'd need to acquire the sheet music for it first.

I'm my OWN best friend. Well, me and imagination. And perscription medications. Them too. And *lists inane number of inanimate objects, sneaks in actual person, continues with list of random nouns*

Also, Moooooonieeeeeeeeeeeee.... HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:smalltongue: IT IS ALMOST 10 PM..... YOU SHOULD GET TO BEDDDDDDDDDD...:smallbiggrin:I'm sorry, but prescription medications have another best friend, someone which he has known for longer than you...

[DraPrime]

Weren't they put down because their leaders converted to Lutheranism? Wait, no... That's the Teutonic Order.
They both start with T. That's my excuse.

Yeah, the Teutonics went Lutheran. They were past their zenith anyways. The lands east of Germany can be blamed for that, since they did not take too kindly to the Teutonic invasion on their turf. There is actually a Teutonic order that's still Catholic, but it's not longer really a knightly order like the Hospitallers are. The Templars got suppressed in the 14th century due to political pressures put on the Pope by the French king. It's a shame, since I rather liked them.

[Mutant Sheep]

Yeah, the Teutonics went Lutheran. They were past their zenith anyways. The lands east of Germany can be blamed for that, since they did not take too kindly to the Teutonic invasion on their turf. There is actually a Teutonic order that's still Catholic, but it's not longer really a knightly order like the Hospitallers are. The Templars got suppressed in the 14th century due to political pressures put on the Pope by the French king. It's a shame, since I rather liked them.
*insert Assassin's Creed historical BS here*

Hospitalers are the people who do the word making, I believe. :smalltongue:

I actually only know the Teutonic Order(s) from a novel I read years ago, Empire Total War, and the adjective referring to post medieval knighthood. :smallconfused:

[DraPrime]

*insert Assassin's Creed historical BS here*

Hospitalers are the people who do the word making, I believe. :smalltongue:

I actually only know the Teutonic Order(s) from a novel I read years ago, Empire Total War, and the adjective referring to post medieval knighthood. :smallconfused:

Hospitallers are kind of awesome. They've managed to survive to this day, and still have actual soldiers. Heck, quite a few countries recognize them as sovereign, and have diplomatic relations with them. They are pretty much a modern group of knights, and not the kind of knight that the UK does now, where it's just an honorary title. No, it's straight up modern day chivalry and such. I kind of want to join. Sir Dragonprime has a nice ring to it. Though it is actually hard to join, since it is by invitation only. However, I know for a fact that they do let priests in, so it's possible...

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Because we can all clearly hear your voice over text.

Seriously, bluetext for sarcasm!

Don't take that tone with me!

[Mutant Sheep]

I know they were pretty much Malta: The Independant Theocratic Democracy for a while, but what state legitimately recognizes them as a sovereign state? I'm pretty sure they still have that prostat'in and Pope-obeying thing, which should just make them either vassals or representatives of Rome. I would TOTALLY support them doing a drive with CRS to do... something. I dunno, it'd be really cool. :smalltongue:

[Mynxae]

I know they were pretty much Malta: The Independant Theocratic Democracy for a while, but what state legitimately recognizes them as a sovereign state? I'm pretty sure they still have that prostat'in and Pope-obeying thing, which should just make them either vassals or representatives of Rome. I would TOTALLY support them doing a drive with CRS to do... something. I dunno, it'd be really cool. :smalltongue:

I've always wanted to learn Maltese. Both so it'd be easier when I visit Malta (and I plan to visit sometime in the future) to be able to speak the native language, and because I wouldn't think many people would know it. So I could just babble to them in Maltese and they'd be like 'What the duck are you on?' :smallbiggrin:

[DraPrime]

I know they were pretty much Malta: The Independant Theocratic Democracy for a while, but what state legitimately recognizes them as a sovereign state? I'm pretty sure they still have that prostat'in and Pope-obeying thing, which should just make them either vassals or representatives of Rome. I would TOTALLY support them doing a drive with CRS to do... something. I dunno, it'd be really cool. :smalltongue:

You can find the 104 countries that recognize them here (http://www.orderofmalta.int/diplomatic-relations/862/sovereign-order-of-malta-bilateral-relations/?lang=en). Whatever their strange international status is, one cannot deny that they are totally awesome. I love these guys so much.

[Mutant Sheep]

You can find the 104 countries that recognize them here (http://www.orderofmalta.int/diplomatic-relations/862/sovereign-order-of-malta-bilateral-relations/?lang=en). Whatever their strange international status is, one cannot deny that they are totally awesome. I love these guys so much.

They did some doctor work in Italy, I remember seeing a documentary on that nunnery/monestary place in WW2 where they ASKED THE POPE IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BOMB IT BECAUSE A BUNCH OF NAZIS WERE HIDING THERE. Were like, millennia old structures and stuff. And 'Murica kindly asked the Vatican, made sure it was confirmed, then BOMBED THE CRAP OUTA IT. :smallcool: Somehow the Hopitalers were involved, I dont remember. Was a old documentary. :smallconfused:

And to give this post SOME logical substance: Today is now Sunday. WHAT HAPPENED TO SATURDAY? :smallmad: (Tommorow's today and today is yesterday!:smallsigh:)

[Elemental]

Yeah, the Teutonics went Lutheran. They were past their zenith anyways. The lands east of Germany can be blamed for that, since they did not take too kindly to the Teutonic invasion on their turf. There is actually a Teutonic order that's still Catholic, but it's not longer really a knightly order like the Hospitallers are. The Templars got suppressed in the 14th century due to political pressures put on the Pope by the French king. It's a shame, since I rather liked them.

Probably because once you're done invading and converting the Lithuanians the Christianity, there's not a whole lot to be done. And states started by militant religious orders usually go nowhere because everyone else wants their land and don't particularly want them around once the crusading's done.
Yes, I did read about the Catholic remnant of the Teutonic Order. I just can't remember anything about it.

It is a bit of a shame. Particularly as we all know they did it because the King of France wanted their money, and as a religious organisation they were probably exempt from taxation.

[Teddy]

Philosophy is on that regard very similar to mathematics in that it does not acquire knowledge from observation but by using deduction from original logic based constructions and bases it's strength in internal consistency not correlation to reality.

Based on the observation that philosophical discussions seem to revolve around who were the least and most wrong, whereas mathematics barely ever mentions those being wrong to start with, I'd say that it still differs quite a lot. Also, mathematics isn't really open to discussion, and are the original logic based constructs of philosophy even set? It doesn't really seem that way at all times...


Oh no, it's supposed to be Summer right now. We for some reason have spring climate though.

Well, that's quite intriguing...


The wrap is normally the shortest part, some stores even do it for you if Swedish society even barely mimics our retail culture for festivities.

The problem isn't that wrapping will take time (hopefully), but that I have to do other things with the package after the wrapping is done, and those things will possibly take quite a bit of time, meaning that I'm actually rather short of time...

You're right, however, in that most shops will wrap the gift for you, or at least provide you with the means to do it yourself, but that's not really an option in my case.


1;Teddy:I agree with Curly, your wall-o-tech discussions are much less interesting to me than these philosophical "I am in love with Aquinas"-"But Locke is famouser!" discussions.:smallbiggrin: Geddit? Wall o' TECH?

Yeah, guess why I usually don't talk much about my programming endeavours in here. There are those who would understand me, but they don't tend to hang around these parts, and I suppose my great achievements don't look especially great in their eyes when taken into perspective that they're just small school assignments...


3;Teddy again: Doesn't most EVERYONE celebrate the Eve, rather than teh true day? Most of the celebrations are held on the Eve, with the day itself being solely a second Thanksgiving, complete with turkey. (For my familia, at least)

I've always gotten the impression that you Troglanders celebrate Christmas Day. Of course, I suppose that depends on where in Amerikat you live. In fact, I hypotesise that the further north you live, the greater the likelyhood that you celebrate Eve rather than Day, as Christmas happens just a few days after the Winter solstice, and here up north, that means the day is short, dim and most likely grey, whereas the eve is long, dark and glorious, especially when you brighten it up with lots of candles and Christmas lights.


It can actually get much worse.
Back midway through first or second year of uni I attended a series of lectures by a man called Professor Valentine Cunnigham (http://www.ccc.ox.ac.uk/Fellows/f/32/) (and yes, everyone called him Professor Valentine) about the Bible, midrash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash) and whatnot. Where it gets interesting is that he is very much the stereotypical Oxford Don: eccentric, a little forgetful, prone to ramblings and so on (but alas, no pipe). And so we would get spoken lectures with untranslated Biblical Hebrew that, in the handouts (if he remembered them) would be written in Hebrew script, with a reference to a version of the Bible, some transliteration and then five articles/books/etc. debating the precise translation of this particular phrase, its midrash, where it mirrors other parts of the Bible and so on.
FOR ONE SENTENCE.
While everyone then busily scribbles, "Hebrew sentence x on handout" and tries to catch up with what he just said the Professor them name drops several authors, extremely specific Biblical hermeneutic terminology and interpretative themes and points.
This is just for . . . I think it was the first sentence in the Bible. In the first lecture.
This wasn't a speciality lecture of anything mind you. There were first years in the audience. There were PhD students and Professors in the audience. They were sometimes confused too.
Oh, and this wasn't in the Theology Faculty or anything.
This was the English Faculty, and there were actual professors with actual religious orders to their name (one from Blackfriar's, a PPH founded by Domnicans!) sitting in his lectures getting slightly confused.
So it can most definitely get worse.

No doubt!

And that's the good part with my field, because while you won't understand a word if you're uninitiated, once you learn the terminology and start to understand how a computer actually works, you can generally understand everything if you get a little time to think about it (nothing is alleviated by an unpedagogic lecturer, but still). Sure, you can be thrown off by the description of a complex algorithm or a poorly documented line of code, but that's about it...


I know, I'd need to understand mathematics and physics and computers and all sorts of things. You though, read half a dozen books and you can at least give a considered opinion with reasons to back it up.

Well, you could always assume that what I say is right is right, and what I say is wrong is wrong, but yeah, as I said, there is a reason to why I usually celebrate my digital victories as my physical self, rather than my virtual self.


I do know how to use Task Manager thank you very much! Just about.
And as I was only using Firefox, and only had eight tabs (seven of which were open to text-only sites (i.e. no videos, ads and very few links)) open I had no idea why it was so laggy. And when I thought there were secret things going on in the background Task Manager said 'lolnope, only Firefox'. And then I looked on the Processes tab and was intimidated so I pretended it didn't exist.
And I'm the best computer user in the house.

Well, personally I believe that the Programs tab only was included to endow the layman a sense of professionality, and could argue that you know nothing before you can read the Processes tab, but hey, I'm biased. :smallamused:

Now, if you actually wishes to be able to make some sense of it, I suggest that you sort it in descending order after memory usage, as that'll generally put the interesting parts at the top, and let you see if any process suddenly explodes in consumption. Even the CPU-intensive processes tend to appear on the top with that order. Just don't end any processes if you don't know what they are. :smallwink:

Also, if you've been running Firefox continually for a few days, that might explain why it acted so laggy. In order to prevent this from happening, I suggest that you try the menu Tools > Options (or Firefox > Options > Options, if you don't use the menu bar), go to the Advanced tab, go to the Network sub-tab and check the box that should be named something along the lines of "Put aside automatic cache management". That will make Firefox stop eating up your memory, which probably is wise for it not to do.

None of this is really neccessary for a regular computer user, and since restarting the computer both solves the problems caused by a long-running Firefox session, and is prudent to do from time to time anyway, do with this whatever you like.


Ha! We broke the forum's page limit! Possibly. We're that talkative.

Yes. Yes you are. :smallamused:


ION: Guys, remember that night I was telling y'all about my AmazingTM decision to, upon being assigned a month and a half to do a project, not even begin until 9 PM the night before it was due?

Well, I got over a hundred percent on the project, and the test on it the next day, which I took after two hours of sleep.

Can I get some worshippers? I really want worshippers. :smalltongue::smallbiggrin::smallwink:

Well, as already has been pointed out, getting a grade above 100% sounds stupid (unless you had bonus points and thus broke the maximum), if that's not 100% of passing limit, but that doesn't really sound like such an achievement unless it was a really hard test...
...
Right, yeah, since I'm pretty sure that you didn't mean the second, well, that's quite well done, and certainly not something I'd managed to do that well, which means that a few great things can be said about your ability to learn.

And I'm not really a pious person, so you won't get much worship from me, but you can have a thumbs up and an acknowledging nod for work well done:
*thumbs up*
*acknowledging nod*
:smallsmile:

Also, I'd have something interesting to write to the rest of your post, but my mind says nope, so I guess I'll just have to settle for returning your hugs with a hug:
*bearhugs*


So as I write my essay (page thirteen!) I have come across an interesting question. If a person was born without any ability to sense anything, could they think at all? No sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, and no taste. Nothing. Would they really be capable of thought?

It seems not to me. First of all, we are almost entirely dependent on language for our thought. I find myself incapable of just thinking up a language for myself on the spot when I think. I've always got either English or Polish going through my head, or some mixture of the two. I suppose I could think in terms of emotions like happiness or anger on a basic level, but I've experienced these emotions in reaction to things I have experienced through the senses. So then I don't have any means of thinking.

Then there's the problem that I have nothing to think about. If I had never experienced anything, what would I think about? Perhaps some sort of sense of my own existence? Yet it seems to me that I know my own existence because I think. I think, therefore I am as the saying goes. So if I don't think, how would I even be able to sense my own existence? It seems to me that a person with no senses simply couldn't think. They'd be unconscious.

I think that without impressions, the brain wouldn't get the stimuli required to develop from the infant stage, and any unused parts, which would be quite many, would quickly start to deteriorate, possibly proving fatal in the end.


No. We celebrate the day here.

Seeing how this should almost be the brightest day of your year, I think that's hardly surprising. No reason to celebrate an eve that never happens when the day is warm and inviting (and so very unseasonal for my Nordic brain).

EDIT:
I found a gift wrap that satisfies me at our local grocer's store. More and more pieces of my puzzle are falling into place, I could call my endeavours finished right now, but I'll give myself one more week. After all, I might turn this from good to epic!

[LaZodiac]

Oh, I forgot to say it yesterday, but I'm feeling much better now, soooo....


BOOOOOOGIES!

...and then I got cripplingly sick again :smallsigh:

[HalfTangible]

Which alphabet are you using?

A fan one, Circular Gallifreyan. (http://timeturners.wikidot.com/circular-gallifreyan)


HT, can you do MoonCat?

Also, Crunk, isn't it worse now that you know that we do read your posts, but, in your opinion, don't bother to respond?

I can try :smalltongue: Gimme a while...

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/MoonCatGallifreyan.png

[Mynxae]

If you like, or have heard of WoodenToaster's music on Youtube (brony music artist, very good), then you should listen to this piano cover of Rainbow Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=z_CCOZhbZ9w&feature=endscreen). It's very well done. :smallbiggrin: *pokes Ele to listen to it*

[AsteriskAmp]

Based on the observation that philosophical discussions seem to revolve around who were the least and most wrong, whereas mathematics barely ever mentions those being wrong to start with, I'd say that it still differs quite a lot. Also, mathematics isn't really open to discussion, and are the original logic based constructs of philosophy even set? It doesn't really seem that way at all times...Bertrand Russel pretty much proved the idea that everything done before was wrong to a certain extent. And right now Mathematics is seeing which one is least wrong, Determinacy or Choice. Mathematics also has several fringe systems which aren't normally taught but do exist; there are even alternate number systems, some which have the infinitesimal as a number. And functions are still being studied, and considerations into what should be made elementary and what not are always being made. Oh, and there is still studying in turns of what should constitute the basic axioms, even if ZFC is the general accepted choice there is quite a fair amount of criticism towards it and alternate systems do exists.

Mathematics is rather open to discussion and they are still trying to see who is the wrongest.


Well, that's quite intriguing...
The longer it last the better though.

A fan one, Circular Gallifreyan. (http://timeturners.wikidot.com/circular-gallifreyan)I believe there is an online translator for it from the one who developed the writing system.

[HalfTangible]

I believe there is an online translator for it from the one who developed the writing system.

Tried. It's a java program, and according to my comp, it's loaded with errors before it even compiles.

[Amidus Drexel]

You realize we can't promise that, right? I, for one, fully expect to wake up to a new thread tomorrow, especially given that upon refreshing the page in the other tab, I found that there have been four new posts while I was writing this short message.

My wish was granted. :smalltongue: :smallbiggrin:



I've always gotten the impression that you Troglanders celebrate Christmas Day. Of course, I suppose that depends on where in Amerikat you live. In fact, I hypotesise that the further north you live, the greater the likelyhood that you celebrate Eve rather than Day, as Christmas happens just a few days after the Winter solstice, and here up north, that means the day is short, dim and most likely grey, whereas the eve is long, dark and glorious, especially when you brighten it up with lots of candles and Christmas lights.


I don't know about the rest of the country, but I celebrate both, although that's probably because I have too many relatives to visit in one night.

ION: A friend of mine announced via facebook that he got a tattoo, but didn't tell us what it was. I don't think he's gotten a serious guess yet. :smallamused:


Tried. It's a java program, and according to my comp, it's loaded with errors before it even compiles.

Well, there's your problem.

[LaZodiac]

Tried. It's a java program, and according to my comp, it's loaded with errors before it even compiles.

Well, it IS a Java program.

[Qwertystop]

I tried to write 'HalfTangible' in gallefreyan (the fan version)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/HTGallifreyan.png
I'd be willing to bet it looks like putting 'there' to mean 'they are'.

Okay, what the heck is that?

[Eon]

Well, it IS a Java program.

Well, at least it's not one of my Java programs. I'm still surprise I didn't break the computer.


By the way: Working on those drawings, but with swim season beginning recently... Well, let's just say I've been quite busy and quite tired.

Also, hello PagonDrime!

[HalfTangible]

Well, it IS a Java program.

Hi-ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!

...

Seriously though, there's too many for it to be the maker's fault. It might just be the version of JGrasp I'm using. I delibrately didn't update it so it would stay consistent with the version used by the school.

[AsteriskAmp]

Tried. It's a java program, and according to my comp, it's loaded with errors before it even compiles.Odd, works perfectly fine for me.

Doing math in Gallifreyan looks even better.

[Mutant Sheep]

If you like, or have heard of WoodenToaster's music on Youtube (brony music artist, very good), then you should listen to this piano cover of Rainbow Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=z_CCOZhbZ9w&feature=endscreen). It's very well done. :smallbiggrin: *pokes Ele to listen to it*

...

*looks around for whetstone*

*sharpens gigantic scary-looking sword menacingly*

[MoonCat]

I've always gotten the impression that you Troglanders celebrate Christmas Day. Of course, I suppose that depends on where in Amerikat you live. In fact, I hypotesise that the further north you live, the greater the likelyhood that you celebrate Eve rather than Day, as Christmas happens just a few days after the Winter solstice, and here up north, that means the day is short, dim and most likely grey, whereas the eve is long, dark and glorious, especially when you brighten it up with lots of candles and Christmas lights.

Well, as already has been pointed out, getting a grade above 100% sounds stupid (unless you had bonus points and thus broke the maximum), if that's not 100% of passing limit, but that doesn't really sound like such an achievement unless it was a really hard test...
...
Right, yeah, since I'm pretty sure that you didn't mean the second, well, that's quite well done, and certainly not something I'd managed to do that well, which means that a few great things can be said about your ability to learn.

And I'm not really a pious person, so you won't get much worship from me, but you can have a thumbs up and an acknowledging nod for work well done:
*thumbs up*
*acknowledging nod*
:smallsmile:

Also, I'd have something interesting to write to the rest of your post, but my mind says nope, so I guess I'll just have to settle for returning your hugs with a hug:
*bearhugs*

Trogland is such a melting pot, it's mainly based on the tradition of the country that had the most immigrants in one location back in the old days. So it varies, and then we forget why it was different in the first place.

Anyway, my family does it Christmas Eve, except for on the years we just do everything December 5th because my Dad's Dutch and no one was going to be in the same two countries on the actual day. (There was also the year my parents got a huge work project, and took six hours off for Christmas before returning to work...)

I'm not sure I follow you there. Also, the 'over a 100%' didn't apply just for the test, for the entire project. On the test I just scored full points.Anyway, I did a longer project subject than necessary, so my entire grade was multiplied by a thing, and that's why.

NOO! I want WORSHIPPERS!

Aww, can you tell me over IM? I like hearing your thinky things, specially if they're interesting, why 'nope?'


Oh, I forgot to say it yesterday, but I'm feeling much better now, soooo....


BOOOOOOGIES!

...and then I got cripplingly sick again :smallsigh:

YOU WERE SICK?!?!


A fan one, Circular Gallifreyan. (http://timeturners.wikidot.com/circular-gallifreyan)

I can try :smalltongue: Gimme a while...

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy293/HalfTangible/MoonCatGallifreyan.png


BOOYAH! THat's awesome, thanks! I look like a diseased Pacman/fish!

[LaZodiac]

YOU WERE SICK?!?!

Yes! And I am sick, currently.

[MoonCat]

Yes! And I am sick, currently.

Awww. :smallfrown: <hugsandsoupythings>

[LaZodiac]

Awww. :smallfrown: <hugsandsoupythings>

Thanks Moony :smallsmile:

Aside from being sick I'm doing great, so don't worry!

[Dallas-Dakota]

You know how it takes a lot of financial planning to set up a company?

I'm going to try and pull a all-nighter and do it in one night. Because my deadline is tomorrow.

Wish me luck, I will keep you updated. Which defintely is a good spendage of time.:smalltongue:

[Blue Ghost]

You know how it takes a lot of financial planning to set up a company?

I'm going to try and pull a all-nighter and do it in one night. Because my deadline is tomorrow.

Wish me luck, I will keep you updated. Which defintely is a good spendage of time.:smalltongue:

There's a story behind this, I presume?

Luck!

[Amidus Drexel]

You know how it takes a lot of financial planning to set up a company?

I'm going to try and pull a all-nighter and do it in one night. Because my deadline is tomorrow.

Wish me luck, I will keep you updated. Which defintely is a good spendage of time.:smalltongue:

Good luck!

Tell us how it goes when you aren't busy!

[Qwertystop]

Deadline for setting up a company? What?

Generally deadlines are when you're actually working for a company. Or it's homework.

[enderlord99]

http://s18.postimage.org/i3g3nm7uv/The_qwik_brown_foks_jumps_over_the_lazee_dog_42.pn g