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Cicciograna
2012-11-29, 07:44 AM
Hello Playground! The campaign I'm currently playing in is reaching its conclusion, and I've been asked to DM the next one. Number of player should be 4 or 5: I'd like it to be mid- to high-magic but I'd like to ban the game breakers from Tier 1 and 2.
This is the class list I was planning to let my players pick from:


Barbarian (PF version);
Bard;
Druid (with some tweaks: Aspect of Nature variant, spell progression and spellcasting mechanic as per the Bard's - and even so this class may break the game);
Paladin (PF version);
Ranger (PF version);
Rogue (maybe PF version, not being really familiar with it - suggestions?);

Crusader;
Swordsage;
Warblade;

Incarnate;
Soulborn (Person Man's fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119121));
Totemist;

Binder (no online vestiges);
Shadowcaster (with Mouseferatu fixes plus maybe something from this post (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11610.msg397441#msg397441) - suggestions accepted);
Truenamer (Kyeudo fix (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120488));

Psychic Warrior (for a different flavour of monk)

Beguiler;
Dread Necromancer;
Factotum;
Warmage.

(note that I'm not quite familiar with the last four classes - your suggestions are highly appreciated on them).

Do you think I need some other asset for my players? Note that I've banned The Big 9ers and the other troublemakers. Advice for other classes and/or other matters?
If relevant, I plan to play with the Wound/Vitality Points system.

Andreaz
2012-11-29, 08:43 AM
Add Inquisitor and Magus to your list, they're both T3 and very fun.

Factotum is a rogue-light with excellent action economy, ability synergy and minor spellcasting. It can fill in for almost everything.

Dread Necro, Beguiler and Warmage are full casters specialized in a school and with class features to accompany them. Dread Necro becomes undead-ish and specializes in - guess what - necromancy.
Beguiler goes with illusion and gets tricks related to feinting and skillmonkey stuff.
Warmage is a blaster, no more no less.

Psychic Warrior (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/psychic-warrior) and Rogue (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue)both are much better in their PF versions, so I recommend it.

Finally, I recommend using the PF races, or converting the odder races to PF rules (they get a net +2 to their abilities at the least)


I'm not sure i understand what is "Monkish" about a psychic warrior, but that's another issue.

Cicciograna
2012-11-29, 03:19 PM
Factotum is a rogue-light with excellent action economy, ability synergy and minor spellcasting. It can fill in for almost everything.

Dread Necro, Beguiler and Warmage are full casters specialized in a school and with class features to accompany them. Dread Necro becomes undead-ish and specializes in - guess what - necromancy.
Beguiler goes with illusion and gets tricks related to feinting and skillmonkey stuff.
Warmage is a blaster, no more no less.
Okay, I should have probabily been a little more clear :smallsmile:
I know what these classes are, and their basic mechanics: however I've never seen them in action, and was wondering if they are suitable for the game I have in mind (delineated by the other classes). Assuming the soundness of the Tier System they should not be trouble, but I'd tought to ask on the forum nonetheless.


Add Inquisitor and Magus to your list, they're both T3 and very fun.
OTOH I've never seen these two. Where are they from, and what kind of roles can they assume?


Psychic Warrior (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/psychic-warrior) and Rogue (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue)both are much better in their PF versions, so I recommend it.

Finally, I recommend using the PF races, or converting the odder races to PF rules (they get a net +2 to their abilities at the least)
Good.



I'm not sure i understand what is "Monkish" about a psychic warrior, but that's another issue.
When I read the XPH, an Unarmed PsyWar stroke me as a pretty nifty Monk, that is all.