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gooddragon1
2012-12-05, 11:26 AM
Not that a 1st level character has this much WBL and there's probably better ways to do this such as gate abuse but...

Warforged Wizard with skeletal companion (100 gp) from UA [Martial study and Martial stance to get Blood in the Water Stance) Use a flaw
1 +3 Merciful Keen Kukri (50308 gp)
Another kukri [mundane version] (8 gp)
1 Greater Truedeath Crystal (6k gp)
Luckblade (1 wish) (62,360 gp)
A loaded heavy crossbow (51 gp)
A lot of time
Total Cost: 118,827 gp

Each round you have a 30% chance to crit against your skeleton companion. Your merciful enhancement causes all the damage to become nonlethal which means the skeleton doesn't take any of it but you're still attaining critical hits. After a while you net yourself +1000 to hit and damage (with anything). Fire your crossbow with +1000 to hit and don't roll a 1 (use your luckblade if you do and hope you don't roll another 1). Hit for 1000+whatever damage. The tarrasque drops. Use luckblade wish.

Uncle Pine
2012-12-05, 11:51 AM
How do you expect to get 118,827 gp on a 1st level character? And if you can get all the money you want, why can't you just get two whish scrolls and an item that boosts Spellcraft to kill the Big T? :smallconfused:

demigodus
2012-12-05, 11:56 AM
If you go more then 1 minute without crits, you lose the benefits.

At a 30% crit rate, there is a 2.8% chance after each hit, that you are going to go 10 rounds without getting a crit and lose the benefits.

Ryulin18
2012-12-05, 11:58 AM
There is no point to this build. No one is going to have 118k gp at level 1 and all these magical items. Here's my build.

Level 1 Human fighter.
850,000 strength = +424,995 to attack and damage. +1 for bab
+150,000,000,000 bastard sword.

Always kill tarasque. Use exp to get a cleric to cast wish.

Kazyan
2012-12-05, 12:02 PM
Blood In the Water abuse has been a thing since about 10 minutes after Tome of Battle was published, so I don't see what new ground this is breaking.

Tanuki Tales
2012-12-05, 12:03 PM
There is no point to this build. No one is going to have 118k gp at level 1 and all these magical items. Here's my build.

Level 1 Human fighter.
850,000 strength = +424,995 to attack and damage. +1 for bab
+150,000,000,000 bastard sword.

Always kill tarasque. Use exp to get a cleric to cast wish.

A level 1 character could get that wealth through any of the infinite wealth exploits. Now, off the top of my head, I'm not remembering which ones are applicable, but with enough time, he'd net the wealth.

gooddragon1
2012-12-05, 12:03 PM
If you go more then 1 minute without crits, you lose the benefits.

At a 30% crit rate, there is a 2.8% chance after each hit, that you are going to go 10 rounds without getting a crit and lose the benefits.

Theoretically given enough time you will chain up 1000 crits in a row (within 1 minute of each other).

Ryulin18: Festering Anger Lad does all this with no cost.

Uncle Pine and Others: Note the disclaimers. This is simply another way to go about it that may not have been previously suggested. 8.4k for a candle of invocation nets you pun-pun.


A level 1 character could get that wealth through any of the infinite wealth exploits. Now, off the top of my head, I'm not remembering which ones are applicable, but with enough time, he'd net the wealth.

10 foot ladder to 2 10 foot poles comes to mind.

demigodus
2012-12-05, 02:07 PM
Theoretically given enough time you will chain up 1000 crits in a row (within 1 minute of each other).

A chain of successes (getting a crit off within 10 rounds) will last an average of 35.4 attacks. Each success will take an average of 3.3 rounds. If we define each attempt as lasting until your first failure (so successes capped off with 10 rounds straight of failures), each attempt will last an average of 128 rounds.

On average you will need 2.78 x 10^12 attempts before you stack up your 1,000 successes.

So, on average it will take him 3.56 x 10^14 rounds before he gets together that +1,000 to attack and damage.

So 2.13 x 10^15 seconds, so about 67.5 million years.

Yes, theoretically, if given enough time, he will succeed. First however, he needs to acquire immortality. Seconds, he needs some way to ensure that the Tarresque is within 10 rounds of movement of him for 67.5 million years. If you can restrain the creature that long, you could just make it starve to unconsciousness.

gooddragon1
2012-12-05, 09:58 PM
A chain of successes (getting a crit off within 10 rounds) will last an average of 35.4 attacks. Each success will take an average of 3.3 rounds. If we define each attempt as lasting until your first failure (so successes capped off with 10 rounds straight of failures), each attempt will last an average of 128 rounds.

On average you will need 2.78 x 10^12 attempts before you stack up your 1,000 successes.

So, on average it will take him 3.56 x 10^14 rounds before he gets together that +1,000 to attack and damage.

So 2.13 x 10^15 seconds, so about 67.5 million years.

Yes, theoretically, if given enough time, he will succeed. First however, he needs to acquire immortality. Seconds, he needs some way to ensure that the Tarresque is within 10 rounds of movement of him for 67.5 million years. If you can restrain the creature that long, you could just make it starve to unconsciousness.

Immortality: Warforged
Second Part assumes lots of time but for a higher level character it could be attained by abusing planar time traits.

toapat
2012-12-05, 10:47 PM
Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer

Flaw Feats: Precocious Apprentice (Rope Trick)

not sure what you need after Spellhoarding and Loredrake

Acanous
2012-12-05, 10:52 PM
Elven Generalist Domain Wizard gets one spell per spell level up to 9th at lv 1.

For free, even. With no infinate wealth/wish abuse. Then you have multiple ways of killing the Terrasque.

gooddragon1
2012-12-05, 11:02 PM
I know there are other ways but I'm just presenting this one because it came into my mind.

toapat
2012-12-05, 11:09 PM
Elven Generalist Domain Wizard gets one spell per spell level up to 9th at lv 1.

For free, even. With no infinate wealth/wish abuse. Then you have multiple ways of killing the Terrasque.

That doesnt work. Domain wizard isnt a Generalist Wizard, and you already chose to sacrifice the class feature once. It isnt like paladin where it can be argued that if you are allowed to stack substitution levels, so long as you dont actually trade out Remove disease entirely, you can trade out uses of the abilities to get other 1/day effects. No, when you sell Specialization for Elf wizard, you sell it completely.

Not only that, but RAW you cant even cast a 2nd level Wizard slot without specifically overriding the Min CL3 requirement.