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Gillric
2013-03-26, 10:14 AM
ive got another RL session Friday anyway so no worries

Gillric
2013-03-26, 11:04 AM
what was the XP on that one? Probably pretty high.

Dekkah
2013-03-28, 10:10 AM
How much in an hurry are you?

If you search the corpses for loot (I now you search Kodan, that is for others)., roll a perception.

DO you take time to take the ears?

DO you take time to cure the fallen mount (one is still alive but unconcious)?

DO you take as short rest here or more first?

Shadow_Elf
2013-03-28, 10:13 AM
I think we have time to loot carefully and rest a moment; we've a reputation to uphold, after all, and we just wouldn't be the Ear Slicers unless we go slicing ears.

Gillric
2013-03-28, 10:22 AM
I concur with Shadow. We should have time to loot thoroughly before we head out. Ashe will collect all the ears.

How many mounts did we manage to collect without the fallen one? If we are short, we will want to revive it obviously. A short rest is probably in order but I will leave that decision to the others.

Perception: [roll0]

Arq Kujos
2013-03-28, 12:23 PM
I concur with Shadow. We should have time to loot thoroughly before we head out. Ashe will collect all the ears.

How many mounts did we manage to collect without the fallen one? If we are short, we will want to revive it obviously. A short rest is probably in order but I will leave that decision to the others.

Perception: [roll0]

I also think we should cut off the ears. I also want to use my mount that I reclaimed to carry out the bodies of the warriors who died this battle. Unless they decide to retreat alone, then I'll take it and use it as needed.

Leewei
2013-03-28, 02:06 PM
It looks like we're pretty much all in agreement. Let's collect our priestess and head for Bord-Eau.

Dekkah
2013-03-28, 02:55 PM
I am still giving you a little time to discuss (you might have some stuff to discuss about with Rikard or someone else) and share that loot.

Then I'll move things forward (back to Liana and toward Bord-Eau)... probably tommorow.... if not then it will be mondayor tuesday.

Shadow_Elf
2013-03-28, 02:58 PM
If the enchant on the flaming axe were transferred to a staff, would I be able to use it as an implement?

Also, can the wolves carry two people? We have 6 NPCs (two of which are dead), 5 PCs and Liana, for 12 total bodies. The whole point of going out was to improve our speed by getting mounts... but we won't gain any speed if half of us are on foot.

Dekkah
2013-03-28, 03:07 PM
Yeah, two person can ride the wolves. They might tire faster if you try to push them (like fleeing or something), but it can work.

Dekkah
2013-03-28, 03:08 PM
Also, once in the city, where do you plan to go first?

Dekkah
2013-03-28, 03:13 PM
As for the fire enchant, I tryed it in the builder, and putting in on a querterstaff does indeed add it up if you equip it and work with the staff expertise feat, so yeah, it would work.

Arq Kujos
2013-03-28, 03:14 PM
If the enchant on the flaming axe were transferred to a staff, would I be able to use it as an implement?

Also, can the wolves carry two people? We have 6 NPCs (two of which are dead), 5 PCs and Liana, for 12 total bodies. The whole point of going out was to improve our speed by getting mounts... but we won't gain any speed if half of us are on foot.

Rikard is a master blacksmith. With time and the right tools, I can disenchant the magic weapons and use them enchant any weapon you want.

Leewei
2013-03-28, 06:46 PM
Also, once in the city, where do you plan to go first?

Escort our priestess to wherever she wants to go. Once this is done, assist the party with anything they need. Lastly, head to a tavern of Rikard's choice and throw 100gp on a wake for the fallen dwarves and men.

Gillric
2013-03-28, 08:04 PM
well, there is another matter to be resolved after we reach town that Ashe will discuss with the others shortly. That will probably need to be high on the priority list.

Shadow_Elf
2013-03-28, 08:06 PM
When we pick up Laina, can we ask Xelmoyr if we will be allowed to return there without her in future? A magically sealing secret base in the middle of the no-man's land would be a real boon in future adventures.

NotScaryBats
2013-03-28, 11:23 PM
I know Transfer Enchantment, so we can get that badass enchant on whatever will fit it <3

Shadow_Elf
2013-03-29, 01:26 PM
I would like the added +Enh, since I make a lot of attack and damage rolls with my AoE powers. Would have to wait until we reach town, though, since Ace doesn't have any non-magical decks of cards to transfer it to.

Dekkah, can I use the active ability on a +3 Flaming Deck(Staff) to make my implement powers deal fire damage? It seems not to specify "weapon attacks".

Arq Kujos
2013-03-29, 02:37 PM
Hey guys, I just wanted to let you all know that this week is my spring break, so I'll be on less than usual due to a lot of traveling. I should be able to post every other day, and maybe if I'm lucky it won't be an issue at all, but I just wanted to let you know if it does prevent me from posting.

Arq Kujos
2013-03-29, 02:49 PM
Lastly, head to a tavern of Rikard's choice and throw 100gp on a wake for the fallen dwarves and men.

One day Leewei, you'll find yourself in need of a favor. Know that on that day, I shall be there to have your back. :smallamused:

Gillric
2013-04-01, 11:35 AM
I added all of the items to the loot bank for now. Is there anything that anyone is taking at this point?

Leewei
2013-04-01, 12:04 PM
Monique has the bonemail. Bolerum wants the Couters of Second Chances (no arm item).

Gillric
2013-04-01, 12:09 PM
Alright with me. Ashe doesn't need any more rerolls and the rest of the items are of absolutely no use to me.

Arq Kujos
2013-04-01, 02:34 PM
I don't want anything. Let me know if you guys can think of anything you need or want and I'll see if I can't forge it for you in the next few days.

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 09:21 AM
Sorry for my longer than anticipated absence.
I am back now and am working on my IC reply.


I dont see why it would not work Shadow , so yeah, using it as implement would let you change the element type to fire if you want (note that they dont stack element type to my knowledge... it change the power element completly I think)

Gillric
2013-04-02, 09:51 AM
If it says change it means change not add. There are some items that specifically say they add a type of damage instead of changing it.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-02, 09:54 AM
As we increase in level, we will probably end up facing more trolls, so the ability to make any of my spells fire might come in handy.

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 10:04 AM
ALright, you are in the city now!! HUrray!

What do you guys want to do next?

Note that you are still at the gate and can chat with the guard there if want.

Leewei
2013-04-02, 01:08 PM
Bolerum would certainly expect Rikard and the surviving dwarves and men to attend. Other PCs are very welcome -- the courage in battle of those who fell bought us precious time, and may have won the battle for us, after all.

Bol will spend 100gp (unless someone objects) to get the good liquor flowing. A couple of deer carcasses should make a suitable feast.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-02, 01:20 PM
Agreed with Bol's honouring the two that died. It's fitting. Also glad we had that battle standard, or Rikard would have lost nearly his entire squad... Ace will attend the festivities, though will drink only sparingly.

Dekkah, how many Auguries does that net me? Three?

Also, on one of the middle days, since the damage won't really matter, Antoine will touch Kodan's ear without his ring on, and also pat Rikard on the back without his ring on (on different days).

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 01:48 PM
Are you trying to hide it to Rikard or do you tell him what you are doing? :smallamused:

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-02, 01:52 PM
I don't try to hide it, but I don't warn him either.

Of course, when I blank out for 18 seconds and get a massive headache, he probably has questions for me :smalltongue:.

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 02:05 PM
I bet he does... If you dont hide it, then you might want to tell here a little about it to Arq (you can always roleplay it IC if you wish - just mention that you did that two days ago when you post :smallbiggrin:)

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 02:09 PM
I also assume Rikard will want to join Bolerum for drinks (he already said so sooner).

Does Monique and Ashe also go? And do they get drunk like Bolerum plan to?

(I noted that Antione go easy on drinkage).

Gillric
2013-04-02, 02:45 PM
Ashe will not attend, he might have to go tie something to a tree.....

NotScaryBats
2013-04-02, 03:08 PM
Monique has wizard stuff to do - she will buy Sending Ritual and learn it if poss. Otherwise, learn one of her other rituals on her to do list.

Dekkah
2013-04-02, 04:53 PM
BTW, we kinda skipped throught 3 days. I assume Rikard and the other discussed during that trip.
If there is anything you wanted to share about your character during that trip, you can do it Ic or simply here (if you feel it is necessary).

That is the complicated part of having character join up lol.

Gillric
2013-04-02, 05:17 PM
I subtracted the gold for the ritual from the loot bank.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-02, 06:07 PM
Ty, I think this ritual will come in handy a lot.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-02, 06:09 PM
Ace needs to learn a bunch of rituals too... but he also has to retrolevel to regain his missing powers and ritual levels, which will take time and require an instructor. I feel like rituals would be a lot more practical if they took 1 or 0.5 hrs per level, instead of 8 hours no matter what. Heroic tier PCs don't always have days to just sit around learning. Sometimes, there's an angry army of goblins that needs its butt kicked.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-02, 08:17 PM
Lol yeah I hear ya. C'est la vie
I haven't really used 4th ed rituals very much so am looking forward to using them extensive ly on this character for a neat magical feel

Arq Kujos
2013-04-02, 10:24 PM
Wow, so many things happened to me while I was gone today. Hard to get a response to it all. I apologize if my post is a bit disjointed.

Dekkah
2013-04-03, 07:10 AM
About the rituals, I did realise this.

I actually have something that will happen pretty soon to help the ritualist :smalltongue:

I'll give Bolerum and Antione a chance to reply to Rikard before moving things forward.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-03, 07:31 AM
I think I will wait for Bole to speak first.

Dekkah
2013-04-03, 07:43 AM
hahahaha, Rikard put you on the spot :smalltongue:

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-03, 08:06 AM
hahahaha, Rikard put you on the spot :smalltongue:

Not exactly! I know basically what Ace will say, but this whole thing was Bolerum's idea, so I thought it apt to wait for him.

Leewei
2013-04-03, 08:13 AM
Heh. I'll have something a bit later this morning. :smallsmile:

Arq Kujos
2013-04-03, 08:14 AM
Ace miss a spotlight? That doesn't sound like the old sorcerer I remember.

Also, what was the deal with the ring/no ring touching?

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-03, 08:18 AM
When Ace is not wearing his ring, touching anything is wont to give him a vision about the subject, usually at the cost of a substantial sum of psychic damage :smallsigh::smalltongue:. Since we were in a situation where the damage didn't matter, figured I would try to get a vision of Rikard (and maybe spy on Kodan's past, but that did not work as planned).

But messing with the future is risky business, so I'm not saying what I saw unless it becomes important :smalltongue:.

EDIT: Oh, and Ace totally plans to steal the spotlight. Hence why he's saving best for last, of course! :smalltongue:

Arq Kujos
2013-04-03, 08:20 AM
Ahh, ok. That's fine. Rikard just thinks you are messing with dangerous forces, but really doesn't want to pursue it more than that. Begrudging respect and all that for comrades. :smallamused:

Gillric
2013-04-04, 10:42 AM
Ashe will just head to bed until tomorrow.

Leewei
2013-04-04, 10:50 AM
Same for Bolerum, after he's properly honored the dead. He'll make a wonderful impression meeting Bord-Eau's high mage while sporting a hangover.

Gillric
2013-04-04, 11:02 AM
I hope the meeting in the morning doesnt take too long. Ashe has somewhere to be at noon. Will also need to talk someone into going with him, preferably Bol or Monique.

Dekkah
2013-04-04, 12:52 PM
Well Ashe, you can always tell her you have other things to do :smallamused:

Later tonight or tommorow morning, I'll move thing to the meeting.
While I dont have concluded Martin meeting with Monique in her private thread yet and didnt get everynoe reply, I assume you all will go.

Leewei
2013-04-04, 01:11 PM
Bol will, but between his headache and general disinterest in magic, he'll be very inclined to accompany Ashe.

Dekkah
2013-04-04, 06:43 PM
Bolerum endurance [roll0]
Rikard endurance [roll1]

Leewei
2013-04-04, 08:26 PM
One of the benefits of Versatile Plate is that the armor skill penalty only applies when the armor isn't activated. Bol's check should be 2 higher as a result.

Arq Kujos
2013-04-04, 09:07 PM
Thanks for the roll Dekkah. I'll be returning home tomorrow, so I should be back to a normal posting schedule soon. :smallbiggrin:

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 08:43 AM
Good your versatile armor made the difference (anyway I forgot about it and you sure slept without your armor anyway).

I forgot to say it IC, but Rikard and Bolerum both start their day with one less surge...could had been worste :smalltongue:

Leewei
2013-04-05, 10:14 AM
As inebriated as Bol got, he may well have forgotten to take it off. :smallbiggrin:

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 12:11 PM
We are nearing the end of this chapter. You guys will get some downtime soon (I am sure Monique will love that!!).
It will get clearer as you speak with Flammemorte, but I am giving you some head's up right now so you can think about what your character may want to do (roughly 3 weeks - unless you decide to jump into something else right away... which I doubt lol).

Just letting you know that there is some basic oppotunity for all of you to simply help Williams army, but I am sure some of you have other plans (Monique and Antione for sure lol).

Gillric
2013-04-05, 12:51 PM
well, depending on how my other meeting goes, could probably through in with them during the downtime to keep Ashe busy.

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 01:15 PM
I do expect some of you will want to simply help the armies, but other might want to do some ritual learning, research for personnal quests, etc.

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 02:09 PM
I just ask in private to each of you about your personnal quests.
Let's see what you know/remember/think your group quest are?

I can start with the obvious one :smallwink::
1 - Stop the goblin invasion.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-05, 02:12 PM
2 - Assemble the chest of never.
3 - Defeat the Coloured Daggers guild in the north.

Gillric
2013-04-05, 02:15 PM
Well, it was collect the Chest of Never, I don't think we ever agreed on assembling/using.......

Coloured Daggers??????? Is this a personal quest, as I don't recall hearing anything about that group......

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-05, 02:18 PM
I was using assemble as a synonym for collect.

Well, Green Dagger is the guy who tried to steal the food from Bord-Eau. Red Dagger killed him and escaped from Ace's clutches. They're a group of mobsters in the north who are trying to profit (and might even be responsible for) the goblin invasion. Didn't Ace explain this when he rejoined the party?

I guess it might not be a group quest perse, but we first encountered them as a group.

Gillric
2013-04-05, 02:23 PM
I think somewhere's along the way some of that information got left out as I don't recall most of that. Well, I remember Green, we fought him in the warehouse. I recall that Ace and the Thieve's Guild were dealing with Red. But that's about it.

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 02:24 PM
I did use private thread to discuss with each of you about personnal quest (mostly for quest that are personnal - Like Ashe Natura quest), but you are free to discuss them here with the group too if you want BTW.

If we take the Chest of never, it all started as a personnal quest for Monique... good to see you all took it in as a group quest! (that will make Monique desire easyer to come by!)

The colored daggers isnt a personnal thing for Antione... but some of you are probabyl unaware about this possible quest as most of the ground work was done by Ace there.... that is actually why I am calling this "let discuss our quest here"... so you all learn about the possibilities, then can make plan to acheive some of them, drop some, etc.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-05, 02:43 PM
The goblins that retook the circle were there LAST time we went through. Remember, this most recent time, we had Liana with us. We didn't encounter resistance when we left on our most recent trip until we exited the ruins.

Leewei
2013-04-05, 02:59 PM
True -- they were just outside, though.

Gillric
2013-04-05, 03:13 PM
So now you plan to lie to the mage about the armour????

Dekkah
2013-04-05, 06:40 PM
Seem like that monique and Antione are not talking about it. :smallamused:

Gillric
2013-04-05, 06:42 PM
oh joy, this can only end well...

Gillric
2013-04-05, 06:54 PM
well, so much for honour and integrity....

Leewei
2013-04-05, 07:37 PM
Bol's a bit torn. Flammemorte's treated fairly with the group, but he won't betray Monique or Antoine -- his battle-siblings. He's biting his lip hard and hoping for an explanation later.

Gillric
2013-04-05, 08:01 PM
yea, Ashe def doesn't like the way this is going. I'm about to either excuse myself from the meeting or spill, undecided on which, though will probably go with the former.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-05, 10:43 PM
I didn't necessarily want to hide it, I wanted to consult. That is why I opened Jorge's telepathy channel, so we could determine what we wanted to do. Antoine doesn't care if she knows, but Monique seems to.

Also, he's good at heart, but Antoine is a con artist, a card shark and a charlatan. He has no moral qualms with lying if the situation calls for it. He's just not sure whether this is such a scenario.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-05, 10:47 PM
Monique has never trusted Flammemorte, partly because she's jealous of her power, but also partly because of her demeanor. Either way, the bard doesn't want to tell anyone about the Chest, even the most trusted people.

The way she sees it, the more people who know about it, the worse. Especially if they are more powerful than us.

But, since we probably haven't discussed this ic, feel free to interpret her actions as you see fit.

Dekkah
2013-04-06, 08:10 AM
For those who might have read the last Ic post, check it out again, I added some more dialog from Flammemorte (to move thing forward a bit more).

I realise I am adding a few more discussions here lol.

Right now there is 4 discussion running at the same time :

Rikard introduciton
The chest of never
Your report about the enemy troops.
Flammemorte job offer

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-06, 10:29 AM
So much is going on!

Antoine can only really weigh in on the last one (he'll talk to Monique about the Chest later, but not in Flammemorte's presence), so I'll wait for a few conversation threads to die down before I add to the confusion by replying to the last one.

Dekkah
2013-04-06, 03:59 PM
Ok Shadow
It is up to you really, I dont mind having many conversations going on. I can even separate each one with an header if that would help you guys (though some may overlap sometimes :smallbiggrin:).

Dekkah
2013-04-06, 04:09 PM
I've added headers splitting the discussion by subjects so my reply make some sense... note that in every reply I do from now on, I'll keep every subject that arent completed. That is even if she doesnt say anything in the reply, so you know she await an answer on that subject from a previous question... so no subject get forgotten along the way. I'll remove the header only once I beleive it is done (she doesnt ask anything else), but know that you can always reopen any subject and add on it even if I beleive it is completed.

Gillric
2013-04-08, 10:36 AM
Monique has never trusted Flammemorte, partly because she's jealous of her power, but also partly because of her demeanor. Either way, the bard doesn't want to tell anyone about the Chest, even the most trusted people.

The way she sees it, the more people who know about it, the worse. Especially if they are more powerful than us.

But, since we probably haven't discussed this ic, feel free to interpret her actions as you see fit.

The line in the the sand has been crossed.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-08, 10:47 AM
I don't get why Ashe is so "disgusted". We never discussed what we were going to say or not say ahead of time, and honestly, I'm kind of with Bats on this one. Flammemorte is kind of a bitch, and she's definitely more powerful than us; I'm not saying we shouldn't have told her, but I also don't think not telling her is "disgusting".

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 10:49 AM
The line in the the sand has been crossed.

Ummm... I guess that is some expression I dont know lol.

BTW, Flammemorte is expecting an answer for each subject still (I know I did not ask a direct question for the Chest... but she did ask to see the log... so she expect you to show it or say something aboutit :smalltongue:)

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-08, 10:53 AM
It's a partner to the phrase "drawing a line in the sand" which means taking a place with no borders and creating one (like saying "okay, we'll rob the place, but we won't kill anyone". Not killing anyone would be the "line in the sand".) Crossing the line in the sand usually means that someone has either switched teams in a conflict or has broken a limit/agreement imposed by the group.

Gillric
2013-04-08, 10:53 AM
In case you haven't picked up on it yet. Ashe believes firmly in honour and integrity to the point that he will die for it. Standing up to that guard would be an example.

He works with Narth for much the same reason. Narth does not find the Snake clan to be honourable and has acted with honour in his dealings with the party.

Ashe also doesn't like the chest of never, and doesn't think anyone should have possession of an item as powerful as it is reputed to be, as evidenced by his initial opinion from the last meeting with Flammemorte when he said it should be destroyed. Now someone is lying about having a portion of said item to someone who has never done anything against Ashe and has thus fairly treated us fairly as far as Ashe can see.

This definitely does not sit well with Ashe.

EDIT: Also, Ashe knows of at least one occasion where Monique tried to hide things from the party as well.

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 11:11 AM
Ok, that make sense (I had half guessed the expression meaning by decudtion, but I prefered to ask about it to be sure).

And I have no problem about any of your character actions/decision, ... as long as everyone remember than this is a game and keep thing in Character.

From the explanation I get here, this is all about your character way of veiwing things and it is fine (it is actually very good to me). But you guys be careful not to rise this to personnal level.

I'll reply Ic soon about Ashe demands.

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 11:14 AM
Gillric, a small question :
You rise during the Chest of never discussion right?
I know we are running many discussion at once, but i must ask because shaking your head like that and rising to get away when she does her job offer would make her react differently :smalltongue:

Gillric
2013-04-08, 11:16 AM
When it becomes clear that Monique intends to conceal possession of the item in question.

Gillric
2013-04-08, 11:32 AM
to be clear, I didn't exactly wait for her permission to leave....

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 11:42 AM
Well, I'll adjust my IC post :smallwink:.

But it wont change anything much, beside the fact that she tell the same thing while you leave.

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 11:47 AM
A small note for everyone :
Ashe leaving doesnt change anything else that happens (even thought it happened before some other subject). She keep the same passive attitude and keep the dicussion flowing as if nothing happened.

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 12:00 PM
I consider the goblin report is a done subject (unless someone want to add something to it)

I deleted and reposted to add the last lines and so everyone get noticed of the changes.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 02:16 PM
Not arguing the point, just don't remember the specifics (this game has been going for a year and a half!) when did Monique lie to you in the past? Was it when she said she could cast illusions to make herself look like Mr. Green?

Gillric
2013-04-08, 02:17 PM
you did go to great lengths to not reveal that you were a shifter at first though it didn't get by Ashe's passives

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 02:20 PM
Yes, I don't believe Monique has ever admitted to being a Changeling. Not that anyone has pressed the matter, as far as I recall, but she feels it is a horrible ability and growing up, her father used to resent her for it.

So, she is quite ashamed of it, even though it has proven quite useful. That is also why she is so careful to keep to the one red haired, green eyed persona and not flit around as it suits her fancy.

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 02:21 PM
Psiclone : I'd like a bluff check please (I'll keep in mind that she have -2 from your helmet). :smallwink:

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 02:24 PM
Shadow : I am curious which book you will give to Flammemorte (if there is one specific or you simply give her some history book from the dead Tiamat priest collection).

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-08, 02:28 PM
I do not remember any instances of Monique lying to the party that were not about concealing the fact she was a changeling.

Antoine was not there for that, but her honour battle with the goblin probably more than cancels those white lies out, doesn't it?

Also, I do not remember Ashe objecting to Jieung's underhanded tactics when he personally assassinated most of a camp of goblins in their sleep, or when he left to poison Gramliz (which admittedly was pretty ballsy, not gonna lie, but poisoning is not all that honourable a methodology).

As for books, if she asks I will give her a few from Lenor's collection, saying that if she wants more, he's happy to lend her a few more when she is done with those, but he doesn't want to burden her with a mountain of books.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 02:30 PM
Monique tries to keep her cool and bluff it up here.
[roll0] I think that's everything 4Cha, 5training, 3level, 2racial. Does my set give me a bonus...?

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 02:38 PM
Shadow : I just realised that Flammemorte doesnt know about your change.
You might not want to elaborate on it, but Monique calling Antione kinda spur a new subject (if you wish to go that way).

Also, when you produce a few books from lenors, (do it Ic please), roll a D20 please (you can call it a fate dice!))

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-08, 02:43 PM
Alright. I think I also will likely need a Bluff check, to cover not remembering which book has the relevant information. Man, Monique kind of lied us into a corner here :smalltongue:.

And I just went over our last meeting with Flammemorte to be sure, and you're right. It was after I started changing my headers to Antoine, but I never actually mentioned it to her IC.

Fate Die: [roll0]
Bluff Check: [roll1]

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 02:48 PM
Haha, yeah, if Monique hadn't been up til 1 AM studying arcane secrets, she probably would be on her game a bit better, but...

I was trying to say you should present her with one of the books that details the history of the place and say it is the one I was talking about, but you might have a better idea.

All I told her is I found 'a journal, written by a citizen'

EDIT also, is my ability Inspire Competence a secret thing I can do or is it obvious? Like, could I do it for Bluff now, or in the future, or is it like 3.5 where that would be like says "Bluff, bluff, bluff your way out of this situation!" a la Elan from OOTS

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 03:07 PM
I'd say you can use it now and it should not be evident for Flammemorte. Otherwise it is pretty much lame (Like Elan is suposed to be lol).

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 03:13 PM
Lol okay ill boost our bluff now then <3

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 03:17 PM
Do I recognize either of these books?
All I really need is one that either talks first person about the last few days, or one that mentions specific buildings, so I can say we saw those same structures on their sides underground.

Do I know of any in our collection that fit this criterion?

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 03:25 PM
Psiclone : I give a 25 percent to have such a book [roll0]

Dekkah
2013-04-08, 03:26 PM
Sadly no, there isnt a book you recall that can help you in your idea.

Note that it was a good idea :smallbiggrin:

Gillric
2013-04-08, 05:38 PM
Also, I do not remember Ashe objecting to Jieung's underhanded tactics when he personally assassinated most of a camp of goblins in their sleep, or when he left to poison Gramliz (which admittedly was pretty ballsy, not gonna lie, but poisoning is not all that honourable a methodology).

The goblins do not act with honour themselves, they murder civilians and farmers after all. While on the other hand, Flamemmorte has always been honourable in her dealings with the party to the best of Ashe's knowledge.

Another difference is one takes place within the walls of a mostly secured city, and in fact, in Flamemmorte's own home. The other takes place on the field of war in a very potentially dangerous situation.

Taking out the leader of an enemy force by poison may be a dirty way to die, but it also provides the opportunity to save countless civilians. Other than Monique's self proclaimed jealousy on the matter of the mage, there is no strategic gain or civilian loss of life prevented by lying about the possession of a portion of the Chest of Never.

Honesty is a huge part of integrity and many moral codes, including most military ones.

Leewei
2013-04-08, 06:18 PM
Flammemort, who assisted us in getting the Chest of Never, wants to see it destroyed. Monique doesn't want to lose her awesome new armor. A reasonable person would conclude that she is lying to keep something nice that is hers. Bolerum is dull and battle-focused (not reasonable). He still isn't comfortable with lying to a potentially powerful ally, but his odd code of honor keeps him clamped up about it.

The problem is that Flammemort might be able to help us find and destroy the other bones, and may be able to reveal her rival's activities to us if we are forthright with her about the Chest of Never. There may be some real campaign consequences if she's kept in the dark, and the bad guys (who have already tried removing her from play) are given an advantage. Potentially worse than this, an NPC who has been willing to cast rituals for us beyond our level may decide we're not worth it any longer.

Both in and out of character, I'm fine with what Monique is doing -- I just hope there are some good reasons for it.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-08, 07:47 PM
I just think it's what she would do. I as a player have always had a weird vibe about this mage, also, so maybe that's part of it (that's why I've always rolled insight vs her since Monique met her)

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 08:42 AM
BTW : I do like to read your character idea/philosophy/thoughts like that.


I consider Rikard discussion done (on FLammemorte side) unless he want to add stuff or ask stuff to the mage.


The chest is waiting on Monoique reply.

Antione story is waiting on Antione reply.

Flammemorte quest is waiting on Antione reply about red dagger and/or any question you might have .

NOTE : You can join in any of the discussion even if you arent directly linked to it.

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 12:00 PM
My last reply should conclude the Chest of never subject unless you guys have something to add there.

Antione story await a reply from him.

The dagger's quest also await at least Atoines reply and possibly question on your part if you have any.

Zigoto's quest have no real questions, but you might have some to ask.

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 12:52 PM
That was quite a cool idea to use Antione helmet ability to make get an image of Zigoto's with Flammemorte instruction! :smallwink:

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-09, 01:14 PM
Yeah, that was an excellent idea! I am really getting the bang for my buck with this Hat of Disguise :smalltongue:.

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 01:19 PM
Hell yeah, and who made it for you? :smalltongue:

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 02:06 PM
We are getting near the end of your meeting with Flammemorte.

I want your opinion on something (everyone):

I am not planning to have you run throught an other goblin encoutner (I was meaning Kodan encounter to be the last I do about that - you killed enough of these for now and goblins encounters are getting too easy for you :smalltongue:).
So I was mostly planning to narate the 24 next days and the big battle, but if you want one last goblins battle I can provide it.
What is your opinion on this?

Actually forget that, I just got an idea for the battle. I will narate teh 24 hours, but there will be a battle.

Also, I asked IC, but if you guys have something special you need to do/what to be done (training, researchon subjects, item creation, etc.) during the 24 days , tell me.

One of the default action is to help the army cleanse the land until the final assault.

Antione : Auguries/training.

Monique : Did not say yet but I assume ritual learning :smallbiggrin:

Ashe :

Bolerum :

Rikard :

Arq Kujos
2013-04-09, 02:18 PM
I want Rikard to do two things. One, I want him to do whatever is necessary to start winning over contracts to fill from the nobles and city of Bord-Eau. Whether that means training their guards, working on helping secure their personal estates, or even drinking with them at whatever events I can get into; then that is all ok with me.

I also want to take the time to train city guardsmen in shield fighting and phalanx tactics so they stand a better chance of holding together when the battle happens. I will also train with them and see if I can't secure for myself some kind of commission as some kind of officer of the city army when it attacks.

Dekkah
2013-04-09, 02:25 PM
Antione : Auguries/training with FLammemorte.

Monique : Did not say yet but I assume ritual learning

Ashe :

Bolerum :

Rikard : Train new soldiers and search contracts/contacts for Rocville.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-09, 03:08 PM
Yes, I do want to learn my rituals and read my books <3

Dekkah
2013-04-10, 01:39 PM
BTW, if you guys have nothing to really discuss with Flammemorte or Grok anymore. I can finish this meeting with some monologue from Grok (reporting to everyone - though tI am not sure if Antione want that) and an final monologue from Flammemorte.

Just tell me if you want that.

Arq Kujos
2013-04-10, 01:48 PM
I'm ready to go work with William.

Gillric
2013-04-10, 06:13 PM
lol, as long as you guys do something.... Dekkah has put Ashe in a holding pattern until you catch up time wise

Dekkah
2013-04-12, 08:11 AM
Ok, as Shadow_elf made me realise, Kallik was a dragonborn (duh!0.
I updated the IC post from GRok to fit it.
He actually say relatively that same thing : There is rumors than his dragoninc heritate instinct took over... he dont beleive it.

I'll post the end of the breakfast as soon as I have time, but you guys still can add to it if you have question or wants informaitons.

Where do you guys want to go next?

Dekkah
2013-04-12, 09:00 AM
AS I mention IC, I am nearly to the point of doing a general naration about what happens.

Still, I'll probably have some stuff to do with each of you in your private threads before I completly move forward.

If there is something you guys have to do as a group, post about it Ic.

Otherwise,I think you all will go your seprate ways (doing your own personnal activities) for the next 24 days or so (though those staying in the city will still see each others from time to time.)

You guys got some well earned downtime lol (which Bolerum seem to plan using to go kill more goblins lol)

Leewei
2013-04-12, 12:38 PM
Bolerum is definitely interested in sorties against the goblins. If other adventurers have plans that require his presence, he'll cooperate with them instead.

Dekkah
2013-04-12, 12:48 PM
I keep forgetting that you arent aware that William is out of town yet lol.

William actually is with Constable Farland in the forest to the north of the lake(LE Grand Boisé).

So, going with him, means you go out of town with Marcil Whitehand (doesnt come back until the Fort-Du col thing is done).


Rikard training troops would happens in the city (a new bunch is being trained - Mostly volunteers milicians put up to date with warefare strategy) to reinforce the big assault on the fort .

Antione obviously will stay in the city.

Monique probably will as well (easyer to master rituals in a safe inn than in a forest camp)

Ashe, well this is still up to debate as I am waiting to see what you guys do, but i expect he more than likely will leave north.

Gillric
2013-04-15, 09:30 PM
twiddle my thumbs until I get the ok to do more stuff....

Dekkah
2013-04-16, 08:13 AM
SOrry guys, I have been busy lately.

I'll try to organise my next reply soon.

None of you seem to have any replies concerning what you do next... so I guess I'll start the general naration of the next 24 days soon) (and will work some of your actions in your private threads).


Know that this I probably wont have much reply time this week though... so it may take some time to move forward (sorry)

Arq Kujos
2013-04-16, 08:17 AM
Its ok. We all get busy from time to time. I'm sure we've all got personal stuff to do as well, and we've got plenty to keep us (and by that I mean me) busy in private threads right now. Good rp takes time.

Dekkah
2013-04-16, 09:11 AM
Ok, I assume most of you will go your separate ways for personnal stuff after Flammemorte meeting. You still can play Ic if you do stuff with others, but I'll ask what you do in private thread.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 03:35 PM
Hey guys, Monique has time on her hands, the Enchant Magic Item Ritual, the Transfer Enchantment Ritual, and time on her hands.

is there anything anyone wants me to make for them, transfer for them, or whatever?

I could also potentially research a rare recipe for you if you have one on your wishlist (there's a really cool sword out there somewhere... the Sentinel Marshal Enchant I think. Does something like, Gain an item bonus to initiative checks equal to weapon's enhancement bonus, When you use this weapon to reduce a nonminion enemy to 0 hp you gain 6 temp hp. Utility power Encounter Free Action Trigger you hit an enemy using this weapon. Effect UEoNT, you gain +2 to all defenses vs the triggering enemy.

I had that on a Genasi swordmage of mine, and it ruled. I think Ashe and Bol have really good weapons, but if you want me to try to research that one, I will do it for you.

EDIT: Also, I could buy Disenchant Magic Item, then go about DEing our lame items and turning them into either Residuum (one step closer to useful than a +1 Magic Sword) or then using said Residuum to enchant something else IE Resplendent Gloves.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-18, 04:20 PM
Ace would like the Flaming enchant from Kodan's weapon placed on a deck of playing cards, if Monique has the time. The ability to make Stone Blood and my other spells deal fire damage will be handy if we face any more Trolls in this war.

Gillric
2013-04-18, 04:24 PM
Ashe is going for more of a focus on Crits, so the weapons I am looking to get don't appear until about level 13 so no real help there, lol

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 05:17 PM
Anything you want to last you for the seven levels until then?

@ Antoine yeah no problem

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-18, 05:19 PM
I should probably also acquire better armor/neck slot items at some point. Will have to look through the compendium to see what is appealing, though. And we wouldn't be able to craft anything but plain old +2 Magic ourselves.

Leewei
2013-04-18, 05:34 PM
In another level or two, Bol would want his existing gear upgraded to +2. His old greatsword can be converted to residuum.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 05:49 PM
IIRC there are cool +2 items that are level 6 and do something neat, but my friend stopped paying for DDI, so I don't have all the lore I could ever hope for at my fingertiips anymore lol

Leewei
2013-04-18, 06:25 PM
I think there are weapons and armor that change types as needed. Bol's pretty much just about hitting people with a length of iron, though.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 06:32 PM
I dunno, but let me know if anyone (Even you, Rik!) want me to make you anything <3

Arq Kujos
2013-04-18, 06:58 PM
I wonder if there is anything I can do to help you, since I'm a blacksmith who can forge magic stuff. I bet we could team up and make even more amazing stuff! Or at the least, I can craft the masterwork armor that you guys would want.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 07:18 PM
Oh? Did you, like, take ritual caster or is it a theme or something? I didn't know that was a thing.

Dekkah
2013-04-18, 08:23 PM
You should keep in mind that you can only emchant item up to level 6 (i think).

Also, note that if you simply upgrade an item you have to an higher bonus but with the same power (Like a +1 flaming sword to a +2 flamming sword), I let you pay the difference between both items in gold (component). This works only for upgrades and cannot be used to change the item power (which you have to sell or disenchant)

Leewei
2013-04-18, 08:26 PM
There are feats that let you enchant over your level. The cost in gold gets pretty steep, though, so few players ever end up using those.

NotScaryBats
2013-04-18, 08:33 PM
Yeah, and it doesn't look like anyone wants me to do anything other than swap the deck to +3 Flaming.

I will spend the rest of my time in research if that's okay, looking into the stack of books we've got and stuff <3

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-18, 10:51 PM
Try to stay away from any Divination rituals we've picked up while you're prioritizing what you want to learn. Ace has Divination Mastery, which lets him cast one for free each day, so he's more efficient with those. He'll be picking up some rituals during the downtime as well; we should try to make our ritual books as complementary as possible, I think.

Dekkah
2013-04-19, 06:52 AM
Well there is some minor magic items that may be worth it for slots where you dont have items or some wonderous items that can be useful sometimes.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-19, 11:13 AM
Well there is some minor magic items that may be worth it for slots where you dont have items or some wonderous items that can be useful sometimes.

This is very true. The priorities IMO, were the bags of holding and the map of unseen lands. But there are more simple items with great effects! If any of our melee fighters have not got em' yet, Iron Armbands of Power are a great wrist item @ level 6.

Leewei
2013-04-19, 01:16 PM
Bol just picked up a different set of wrist items. He normally has a +3 item bonus against orcs and goblins (many enemies we fight), and a daily +1 item bonus to damage UEE for fights with other creatures.

His daily and encounter powers often have riders that only process on a hit, so a daily re-roll is preferable even without the item bonus to damage.

Dekkah
2013-04-22, 09:02 AM
I did not forget you BTW, I was just busy the last couples of days.

I shall be able to reply today and forward your private threads.

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-22, 11:11 AM
Bats, any chance you have a list somewhere of all the Rituals we haven't learned yet? Antoine will have some time to learn as well, and he's a true blue Ritual Caster now instead of just a pseudo-one.

Dekkah
2013-04-29, 08:16 AM
Hurray, the forum is back!.
I'll do as Shadow did in his game and ask everyone to reply here to tell me if you guys are still around.


Also, I should post IC soon to forward to the evening (where I assume you all return to the Inn) so you guys can discuss among yourselves of what you plan to do next (a few of you had some discussions in their private thread and I know a few have quesitons for some others of the group).

Note , I know some of you are still in some dicussion in the private thread, but i beleive it is alsot done for the most part (you still can keep the discussion going though).

Gillric
2013-04-29, 08:27 AM
checking in

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-29, 08:35 AM
Still here, of course :smalltongue:

Arq Kujos
2013-04-29, 08:53 AM
Whoever finally cast Revive on the Forums, thank you.

I'm still here.:smallbiggrin:

Leewei
2013-04-29, 08:41 PM
I'm around. I just changed jobs. For the time being, my internet access is restricted to evenings.

So, if Bolerum wanted a few friends to trash goblins and retake Fort-du-Col, would you all be up for it?

Arq Kujos
2013-04-29, 08:42 PM
Beyond down for it. :smallsmile:

Shadow_Elf
2013-04-29, 09:14 PM
Ace will be there for the big battle at the Fort, of course, but he's skipping out on the skirmishes leading up to it. Mages gotta study :smalltongue:.

Arq Kujos
2013-04-29, 09:26 PM
What better way to train new recruits than OJT. On the job training is best training. :smallsmile:

Gillric
2013-04-29, 10:42 PM
I'm around. I just changed jobs. For the time being, my internet access is restricted to evenings.

So, if Bolerum wanted a few friends to trash goblins and retake Fort-du-Col, would you all be up for it?

Ashe will need to discuss something to do with this item with Bolerum

Dekkah
2013-05-01, 08:07 AM
Ok, I poked Bats with a PM to see if she still is around.

I am still waiting for you to discuss out things, but if you think you are done, I can move things forward without you sharing stuff (and asking others what you wanted to know)

NOte : if someone want a chance to speak with only one person, simply assume you will have that chance sometime during the evening and roleplay it (you can spoiler with an header telling only that person should read it if you want)

Arq Kujos
2013-05-01, 08:43 AM
I had planned to help Bolerum with the assault on the fort, but I think I ought to be training new recruits and focusing on preparing the city to repel a goblin counter attack.

Dekkah
2013-05-01, 10:33 AM
Arq, the way I really see this, you all will participate in the Fort Assault .... which will happen in 24 days.

Until that point, each of you have different things they will do.
As an exemple, Bolerum plan to leave the city with Marcil Whitehand to join up with William army to work on preparing the area for the Fort assault (meaning they will hunt down as much goblins in the forest to break they camp, reduce their moral and supplies, thin their rank as much as possible, force the enemy back to the fort, etc.).

Meanwhile, Antione will simply stay in the city to train with Flammemorte, learn ritual and do other personnal stuff/research, but in the end, he will go with Flammemorte and join with William army (and Bolerum).

So you actually have to decide what you want to do. Those who stay in town, have up to 22 days there if they join with Flammemorte to use her magic to hasten the travel, or 19 days if they go out with the supporting army that will leave the city to help William (it takes longer for them as they have to travel the regular way)

Gillric
2013-05-01, 02:42 PM
Just posted an IC reply. Ashe will try to get a chance to talk to only Bolerum.

Dekkah
2013-05-03, 09:05 AM
Still no news from Bats... I'll wait until next monday and see what I'll do about it.

I shall also start forward the game monday.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-03, 01:10 PM
Gillric, for loot-bank related things, do you prefer we post here in OOC or in the loot bank thread itself?

Either way, Antoine claimed the +3 Flaming Great Axe and had Monique convert it over to a deck of cards. I have added it to his sheet.

Dekkah
2013-05-03, 01:27 PM
Keep it here please... so I see it (rarely check your loot bank).

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-03, 01:33 PM
Sure, will do.

There's some rituals I would like to purchase while we are in town. Ancestral Whispers, Inquisitive's Eyes, Hunter's Blessings and Find Traps. These are all divinations, and would give Ace some more options for what to do with his free 1/day divination.

Ancestral Whispers gives me training in one skill for 24 hours; good for skill challenges, or to use before an extended rest if I still have my freebie cast lying around. Level 6.

Inquisitive's Eyes will let me look at a scene several hours in the past. Could be useful for hunting down the Daggers later. Level 8 (I can cast it b/c of a feat).

Hunter's Blessing lets me use Arcana to help track someone. Good for looking for Daggers or our errant evil mage. Level 5.

Find Traps is pretty self-explanatory; lets me check an entire area for traps at once using Insight. Level 4.

Gillric
2013-05-05, 02:59 PM
I second the statement of keeping those posts here, I will update the loot bank as they come up.

NotScaryBats
2013-05-05, 07:15 PM
I'm sorry, you guys. The last weeks the forum has been down showed me how much time I spend on the damn thing, and I'm going to be seriously limiting my Internet use so I can help out around the house more and be with my family.

So, I've got to drop out of the game. I had a really good time and you guys are all awesome. I'm sorry I couldn't stay longer, and I had big plans, but I need to focus on my marriage.

<3 you all, and I will miss you!

Dekkah
2013-05-05, 07:39 PM
Allright .
Sorry to see you go.
If you ever come back and want to oin again, contact me in PM.

Take care and congrats on your marriage!.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-05, 07:40 PM
I'm sorry, you guys. The last weeks the forum has been down showed me how much time I spend on the damn thing, and I'm going to be seriously limiting my Internet use so I can help out around the house more and be with my family.

So, I've got to drop out of the game. I had a really good time and you guys are all awesome. I'm sorry I couldn't stay longer, and I had big plans, but I need to focus on my marriage.

<3 you all, and I will miss you!

Sorry to hear it, Bats, but real life always comes first. Take care!

Arq Kujos
2013-05-05, 08:07 PM
I hate that you spent so much time on the forums. We'll certainly miss you Bats. Take care of yourself. If you ever need anything, please feel free to ask. Good parties go beyond just PC's and gaming groups. :smallsmile:

Leewei
2013-05-05, 08:51 PM
Take care, NotScaryBats. You were a lot of fun to play with!

Leewei
2013-05-05, 10:54 PM
Well, then -- mind if I roll up a leader?

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-05, 11:01 PM
Would that Leader still be Bolerum, or a different character?

Arq Kujos
2013-05-05, 11:04 PM
I don't know. I think we ought to throw some feelers out and see if we can get a new person. Its always more fun to have more players to scheme and plot play with. :smallsmile:

Leewei
2013-05-06, 05:00 AM
Would that Leader still be Bolerum, or a different character?

I was thinking a different PC, but I suppose I could re-spec Bol to make the plot a bit less oddball.

Dekkah
2013-05-06, 08:22 AM
If you like Bolerum and do it only to balance the group, it isnt necessary.
I can adjust the battles to work with the fact yuou have no healer (or simply recruit an other player if need be). The original group forthis game lost their leader and kept playing with 3 player and we never replaced him. I'll just put more healing potion and use less heavy strikers/smaller group/etc. I can adpat the game (I make the enemy group before every battle since I never really know where you are going, so the enemy group used for the other group doesnt match in power/level.

But if you wish ot change (for any reason), I dont mind at all (either respec or create a new can work well enough). If you need an opportunity/reason to leave I can provide one easyly (the goblin war will be fought.... and Greenbane was to move on (Little spoiler here, sorry), but it could be that Bolerum will want to move on with it to find other goblins to slay). While I have thought of some stuff in Bolerum future, I wont have any problems to fit these in a new character if need be (it havent really started yet).

So Leewei, what do you wish to do?
Keep Bolerum, Respec Bolerum or create a new character?

The choice is yours.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-06, 08:36 AM
As far as healing and defending goes, Rikard is still pretty beastly. He can buff himself and take quite a beating. A healer would be awesome, though I'd be sad to lose a good war comrade like Bolerum from RP stand point.

I vote for either keeping Bolerum as he is, or refluffing him as a healer. Either way would be good to me.

Leewei
2013-05-06, 08:32 PM
I'll try keeping him as-is and carrying around a metric ton of healing potions for a bit. We'll see how it goes.

Dekkah
2013-05-07, 06:01 AM
Ok, that works.
Also, most of the time, characters tend to adjust themselves to compensate (take protective or healing power/multi-class into leader/etc.)

For now, I'll use Monique as an NPC (she wont use all her powers, but will be there to heal and spam her at-will in the next fight)

Gillric
2013-05-07, 06:10 AM
I'll try keeping him as-is and carrying around a metric ton of healing potions for a bit. We'll see how it goes.

Make sure you grab at least the second version instead of the base ones. 25 per instead of 10 would be better.

Leewei
2013-05-07, 06:17 AM
While true, I don't think I can buy those until level 9. Of course, if we find any, that's a different matter. :smallsmile:

Dekkah
2013-05-07, 06:18 AM
You guys can shop still if you need to.
Also, I allow (optionnal) you all to do some retrain if you want to adjust your characters since Monique left (you just leveled anyway).

Arq Kujos
2013-05-07, 06:26 AM
Wait, what level are we?

Gillric
2013-05-07, 06:40 AM
well, if we would be running off the basic potion, I don't think relying on that is a good idea.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-07, 06:53 AM
well, if we would be running off the basic potion, I don't think relying on that is a good idea.

Lacking a leader is going to require a lot better group synergy and resource management. I think that at this point, we'd be better off having Bolerum take some super damage powers and let him handle big solos. I ought to focus on smaller add groups thanks to my "self healing" abilities.

Dekkah
2013-05-07, 06:56 AM
Oh well, you did one big battle after the level up (you entered just after the level up Arq... my bad).
Stil,, I grant you a retrain if you want it to compensate for loosing Monique :smallwink:

I'll try to move thing on now I guess.

Bolerum and Gillric : Are you planning to bring Marcil Whitehand with you to travel with Narth? If so, we will roleplay this :smallbiggrin:

If you are against it, I'll simply assume Bolerum will return to see him and tell him he will not travel with him and meet him later at Williams camp.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-07, 07:00 AM
That's ok. I just wanted to make sure I was the same level as everyone else so I'm not dragging people down.

Gillric
2013-05-07, 07:13 AM
Ashe is a single target striker that works best in a one on one situation.

As for the Marcil question, I think it would be best to not travel with him. I don't think Narth would agree to it.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-07, 09:49 AM
Isolating yourself from the group is risky, but you seem to handle it fine. Perhaps our best strategy would be to build a core group of myself and Ace, and have you go off and eliminate targets and have Bolerum play an offensive striker-style to help thin the herd of minions and bring the pain to bigger guys. That way, we can burn through encounters and you two can fall back as needed.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-07, 10:28 AM
Antoine has you covered on the Minions front. Part of my reasoning for reclassing to Witch was because we lacked at-will AoE powers and Dekkah LOVES minions :smalltongue:.

Dekkah
2013-05-07, 10:30 AM
Well now that you have an anti minion, i wont ever use them again!! lol

Seriously, minions were quite adequate in the large goblin army setting.


But you are right, I like to use minions in general.

Dekkah
2013-05-07, 12:24 PM
Ok, Started to write the post... it will take some time.

Not sure I'll post today.. sorry

Dekkah
2013-05-09, 09:44 AM
Ok, posted what happens with Ashe and Bolerum.

I'll post Rikard next, then Antione.

Sorry for the long delays here... I just have less than usual time right now.

Gillric
2013-05-09, 10:49 AM
Thoughts on making this a three pronged attack?? There is the potential to use the secret passage to come out in the main building as well.

Dekkah
2013-05-09, 12:40 PM
I'll have a final meeting about the attack planning with the principal people after I post everyone up to the 23rd.

But you already know that the goblins found the secret tunnel and closed up the reinforced door, which make it virtually impassable (if you dont remember, it is a trap door on the floor opening in an open tunnel 30-40 feet bellow). Without someone to open the sealed door and lower a rope, well it is nearly impossible to attain (you can always suggest ideas if you have some in the final warmeeting).

Dekkah
2013-05-09, 02:29 PM
If some of you already read the Rikard part, know that I just added a sentence when he meet up Flammemorte (I had forgotten I meant to say that lol).


As the group is dismissed, Flammemorte ask Rikard to stay a moment, and tell Rikard that she will arrange a meeting with Bord-Eau merchant council official after the fort is taken, letting Rikard understand that she assume he will still help afterwards on seeking those responsible for all this, which is part of this buisness.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-09, 02:32 PM
Are we allowed to read what the others did? I assume so, because they're in the public thread, but I wanted to check to be sure.

Dekkah
2013-05-09, 02:42 PM
Yep, I wrote it in the first spoiler after BOlerum and Ashe turn.


I kinda assume you will all learn about this once you have some time toggether (sharing stories beside the firecamp ETC.... what isnt really done IC, but that should happen to your characters).

Arq Kujos
2013-05-09, 02:43 PM
If some of you already read the Rikard part, know that I just added a sentence when he meet up Flammemorte (I had forgotten I meant to say that lol).

Rikard will most certainly be ok with that.

Gillric
2013-05-09, 03:46 PM
I'll have a final meeting about the attack planning with the principal people after I post everyone up to the 23rd.

But you already know that the goblins found the secret tunnel and closed up the reinforced door, which make it virtually impassable (if you dont remember, it is a trap door on the floor opening in an open tunnel 30-40 feet bellow). Without someone to open the sealed door and lower a rope, well it is nearly impossible to attain (you can always suggest ideas if you have some in the final warmeeting).

Ah, I had forgotten that they found it.

Leewei
2013-05-09, 10:36 PM
How blocked up is it? Maybe Bol can go take a look. He's pretty good at climbing and breaking things.

Also, what healing potions and similar items could PCs have purchased prior to departing the city?

Dekkah
2013-05-10, 12:37 PM
It is basicly a trap in a large cavern celling 30-40 feet high, which lead into a small room, with a single tunnel linked to the fort keep (hidden passage). It is made not to be busted (stone trap door in the celling, reinforced with some metal on the other side- made to be locked from the inside)

You actually did not know yet that it was blocked, as you did not knew if the goblin found the hidden passage. But some scout did take the time to check it out and it is now closed which indicate that the goblins found it (you left the trap door open when you fled).

I am not saying it is impossbile to use the passage.. but you have to explain how you'd do it.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-10, 01:47 PM
Explosives? :smalltongue:

Dekkah
2013-05-10, 01:51 PM
Do you have some?:smallamused:

Arq Kujos
2013-05-10, 01:59 PM
Do you have some?:smallamused:

*Sits on keg of dwarven ale* Over my dead, not really dwarven body. :smalltongue:

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-10, 01:59 PM
Hmm... well, Antoine has a witch feature that lets him retrain a spell after each extended rest. Would a fireball spell be enough to bust through?

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 12:16 PM
Hmm... well, Antoine has a witch feature that lets him retrain a spell after each extended rest. Would a fireball spell be enough to bust through?

Maybe not by itself, but if you stuck a few cases of explosive alcohol near it, the concussive force, especially if we could focus it, would probably enable us to make some form of make-shift cannon to blow the door open.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 12:38 PM
If a three-pronged attack is actually preferable, then a daily power and a couple casks of alcohol is worth it. I get the impression it may not be necessary to win this fight, however.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 12:40 PM
If a three-pronged attack is actually preferable, then a daily power and a couple casks of alcohol is worth it. I get the impression it may not be necessary to win this fight, however.

There is no kill like over kill. :smallbiggrin:

Dekkah
2013-05-13, 01:31 PM
I dont think fireball +alcool would really explode that much. It would produce a lot of fire... but that would do little on a foot thick stone door (in my opinion - you are free to convince me otherwise).

Dekkah
2013-05-13, 01:34 PM
Oh, and started the war meeting...

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 01:40 PM
If its a stone door, we can pick the frame away, loosen the steel bars, and open the door once we destroy it. Did my dwarves come with me? I just need a construction crew.

Dekkah
2013-05-13, 01:51 PM
Yeah, your four rememianning mens (2 human, 2 dwarves) are in the camp.

Leewei
2013-05-13, 02:21 PM
Not that I'd volunteer Antoine for this in-character, but he could sneak into the fort and scout the place out.

Maybe we could sneak a small strike force (i.e. PCs) into the fort to kill the giants or fort's commanders in their sleep. Does Flammemorte have any tricks up her sleeve that could help do this?

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 04:17 PM
Antoine is not all that stealthy, and his silver tongue took a hit when he lost his chaos magic, and his stealth modifier's pretty low (even if I buff it with Ancestral Whispers, it won't be amazing). I am not sure he'd be able to successfully infiltrate the keep... Jieung's squad of ninja might be able to, though.

Speaking of Ancestral Whispers, do I have permission to spend the gold on purchasing those three rituals I was looking to purchase while in town?

Leewei
2013-05-13, 04:38 PM
I sure don't mind.

Gillric
2013-05-13, 04:40 PM
If Flammemorte has access, either the Knock or Stone Shape rituals should get us into that room from below.

Leewei
2013-05-13, 04:42 PM
If Flammemorte has access, either the Knock or Stone Shape rituals should get us into that room from below.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 05:00 PM
Antoine has learned Knock from Lenor's old Ritual Book. If that would not work, given that Flammemorte is a sculptor, she almost certainly has Stone Shape.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 06:00 PM
Antoine has learned Knock from Lenor's old Ritual Book. If that would not work, given that Flammemorte is a sculptor, she almost certainly has Stone Shape.

Freaking sweet. :smallsmile:

Dekkah
2013-05-13, 07:22 PM
Should I assume that you ask Flammemorte for Stone shape?
You might want to do that Ic....Antione have enough arcana to know about the ritual existance

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 07:30 PM
I just realized something crazy. Thanks to my dragonmark, I know Knock too. :smallconfused:

Mark of Warding [Dragonmark] Reflavored to Rune of Warding
Benefit: Whenever one of your powers grants a bonus to a defense, increase that bonus by 1.
Whenever you mark an enemy, that enemy takes a -3 penalty to attack rolls for attacks that don't target you instead of the normal -2 penalty.
You can master and perform rituals in the warding category and the Fluid Funds (page 118), Knock (PH 307), and Leomund's Secret Chest (PH 3 0 7) rituals as if you had the Ritual Caster feat.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 07:32 PM
Well, you can learn Knock; have you? :smalltongue:

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 07:34 PM
Well, you can learn Knock; have you? :smalltongue:

Does Ace offer tutoring? :smallbiggrin:

Edit: Sorry Shadow. He'll always be Ace to me.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 07:36 PM
It'll take eight hours at some juncture, but Ace can teach him it. It won't cost anything if you're willing to work from my ritual books; if you want your own copy, that's the market price.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 07:41 PM
It'll take eight hours at some juncture, but Ace can teach him it. It won't cost anything if you're willing to work from my ritual books; if you want your own copy, that's the market price.

We can work that out later. Kinda late now. Perhaps seeing it makes Rikard think of the usefulness of it when it comes to things like, oh I don't know, secret dwarven vaults in his homeland. :smalltongue:

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 07:57 PM
You know Shadow, I think I might start working on a Warding Spell Book for Rikard. Dwarven Runes of protection would be right up his alley. I bet once we get this done with, Flammorte will be happy to teach me some of these rituals. I guess I'll need to start saving up.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 07:59 PM
In general, we keep communal funds and just ask permission for purchases. So don't worry about "saving up" :smalltongue:.

So, if knock or stone shape will get us through, the party can lead a strike force into the heart of the keep and divert the giants' attention from the army's advance. What daily spell should I swap for to make their day a nightmare, I wonder?

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 08:06 PM
In general, we keep communal funds and just ask permission for purchases. So don't worry about "saving up" :smalltongue:.

Rikard always carries his weight. :smallsmile:


So, if knock or stone shape will get us through, the party can lead a strike force into the heart of the keep and divert the giants' attention from the army's advance. What daily spell should I swap for to make their day a nightmare, I wonder?

Whatcha got? We probably want something that works on sound rather than sight since we'll be in tunnels. Lines and wall spells might not be bad, either.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 08:11 PM
Well, the giants won't be in the confined spaces. We want to sneak in and rush the courtyard, which is probably where they are staying.

I can take Glitterdust to blind them, but I can almost guarantee that without significant forced movement, I won't be able to hit both with one spell.

Oh, I know. I can turn one into a frog, and then if I get the chance, suffocate it in a bag of holding. That should do the trick.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 08:22 PM
Well, the giants won't be in the confined spaces. We want to sneak in and rush the courtyard, which is probably where they are staying.

I can take Glitterdust to blind them, but I can almost guarantee that without significant forced movement, I won't be able to hit both with one spell.

Oh, I know. I can turn one into a frog, and then if I get the chance, suffocate it in a bag of holding. That should do the trick.

We've got to get through the tunnels first, which are likely to be trapped and crawling with goblins. Still, if its a frog, stick in a pot of water and boil it slowly. He'll never notice until he's dinner.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 08:29 PM
Given that he gets a save every 6 seconds until he turns back, I need to do something swift to contain him. It's not a super-powerful spell.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 08:31 PM
Given that he gets a save every 6 seconds until he turns back, I need to do something swift to contain him. It's not a super-powerful spell.

Do you have a bag of holding big enough to hold a giant?:smallconfused:

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-13, 08:36 PM
No... I am not actually sure what happens if the spell wears off while he is in the bag.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-13, 08:36 PM
That might be worth discussing with Flammorte.

Dekkah
2013-05-15, 08:35 AM
I did not find anythingin the rules (beside if something make you grow in too small a place= fail and stunned).... but I dont think it is applicable here since the magic ends... you have to take your normal shape (it isnt magic the would make your grow).

That being said, you would have to still catch the creature and put it in the container
I'd go for a grab action for sure.

Now I am thorn in what to ask for putting the creature in the container.
The normal thing would be a minor.... but that is a little easy.

An other thing I fear is to start using this as common mean to defeat an enemy (like solos).... which would be easy to do as a group.

Solo play.
Antione Foe To Frog
Rikard try to grab, minor put in bag.
If failed, Bolerum try to grab, minor put in bag
ETC.


So for now, I'll still leave it as a Minor, but I'll grant a save to the monster to struggle enough to prevent you from stowing it... which will help protect solos from that tactics.



So :
Standard : Grab to pick up the creature.
Minor : Stow, but creature have a save to foil it (by struggling)

Does that sound fair?

EDIt : ALso, I may change it if I see it is too abusive. Foe to Frog is already a nice and decent spell ;). But I do like the out of the box idea :smallwink:

Arq Kujos
2013-05-15, 08:47 AM
Can I see the exact text of the spell? I'd like to read it so I can understand it better.

For example, what would happen if Rikard caught the frog, and then tried to crush it in his hands?

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-15, 11:16 AM
Foe to Frog:
A billowing cloud of green fog surrounds your foe. When the fog dissipates, your enemy is gone, and a minuscule creature such as a frog, a newt, or a mouse stands in its place.
Daily Arcane, Implement, Polymorph, Transmutation
Standard Action Ranged 10
Target: One creature
Attack: Intelligence vs. Fortitude
Hit: The target turns into a Tiny beast of your choosing (save ends).
Miss: The target turns into a Tiny beast of your choosing until the end of its next turn.
Effect: As a Tiny beast, the target is dazed, and the only actions it can take are to move its speed or shift. All of the target’s equipment transforms with it. If it takes damage from any source, this effect ends.

Sure, that is fair. Plus, Solos with their +5 bonus to the saving throw would not stay a frog for long if we don't grab it right off the bat. Rikard would not be able to crush it, as soon as he applied the pressure it would change back and he'd have a giant in his hands :smalltongue:.

Leewei
2013-05-15, 12:06 PM
If they were asleep, we could grab it and drop it in the other giant's mouth. If we were near the wall, we could chuck it off (bull rush, maybe).

That power seems wide open to abuse. Mind you, the power's write-up doesn't change the creature's defenses. A frog with Hill Giant AC and fortitude would be difficult to shove about, even if it was dazed.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-15, 12:13 PM
The thing is, aside from some Page 42 creativity, this power's actually just a single-target save-ends not-quite-even-a-stun with no damage on it. And most elites and solos will change back pretty darn quick with their save boosters.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-15, 12:16 PM
Its not as bad some of the old polymorph tricks of 3.5. I like it for giving us, even if its only 1 turn, time without two giants to deal with. I still think We ought to find a caldroun of burning pitch and dump him in there. Even if he turns back, he'll be taking fire damage for at least a few turns.

Arq Kujos
2013-05-15, 06:49 PM
We really ought to recruit a leader after this combat encounter. Just my two cents.

Gillric
2013-05-15, 06:51 PM
We really ought to recruit a leader after this combat encounter. Just my two cents.

I second that

Arq Kujos
2013-05-15, 06:54 PM
We ought to throw out a recruitment thread. I want to see some people scrap for the position so we get a really dedicated person. Not saying anything bad about Bats, cause Bats was cool in my book, but we need a leader.

Shadow_Elf
2013-05-15, 09:36 PM
Leader is the most important role in party, but I'd be interested in seeing how a party functions without one, even if just for a little while.