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Temotei
2012-12-17, 07:09 PM
Quick question: Is there an equivalent to mettle and evasion for Reflex and Will saves? I can't think of one off the top of my head and searches thus far haven't turned anything up.

StreamOfTheSky
2012-12-17, 07:11 PM
Most forms of Mettle *do* apply to will saves as well as fort. Goliath's Mettle of Mountains or whatever rogue racial sub. level is about the only example of fort-only mettle I can think of in 3E.

Temotei
2012-12-17, 07:13 PM
Most forms of Mettle *do* apply to will saves as well as fort. Goliath's Mettle of Mountains or whatever rogue racial sub. level is about the only example of fort-only mettle I can think of in 3E.

I'm asking if an ability that covers Reflex and Will saves at the same time exists.

StreamOfTheSky
2012-12-17, 07:14 PM
Oh. None that I'm aware of, then.

Dusk Eclipse
2012-12-17, 07:14 PM
At the same time? None as far as I know.

Temotei
2012-12-17, 07:26 PM
Alright, then. Thanks, guys.

Flickerdart
2012-12-17, 07:33 PM
The reason that Mettle covers two saves while Evasion covers one is that the vast majority of Reflex effects are "Reflex half", while most of Fortitude and Will effects are "Fort/Will Negates". Throwing another save on top of Reflex for Evasion would have been breaking the power balance that exists between the two abilities, which is why WotC didn't do it.