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sambouchah
2012-12-25, 02:16 AM
Does anyone know a way to greatly reduce my arcane spell failure while wearing bigger armor?

JaronK
2012-12-25, 02:28 AM
Runesmith is a PrC that can get rid of all somatic components from your spells if you need. Spellsword does a lesser effect. Or you can just use Mithral Feycraft Armor with Thistledown Padding to drop 20% failure off any armor.

JaronK

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2012-12-25, 02:34 AM
Runesmith prestige class, Races of Stone, negates all arcane spell failure.

Mithral, DMG, -10%, price varies.
Twilight armor enchantment, PH2 p21, -10%, +1 equivalent ability.
Thistledown Suit, Races of the Wild p168, -5%, 250 gp.
Spellsword 1, Complete Warrior, -10%, qualify with Dragonslayer 1 for no loss of spellcasting.

A +1 Twilight Mithral Breastplate with a Thistledown Suit has a 0% ASF. Change it to Full Plate with a level of Spellsword and it's still 0%.

Forget about wearing any armor at all, and cast (Greater) Luminous Armor from BoED every day. Greater Mage Armor (SC) is a suitable substitute, and Improved Mage Armor (UE) is actually better than Greater Luminous Armor at 10th+ level if you don't want the luminescence.

sambouchah
2012-12-25, 02:35 AM
Runesmith is a PrC that can get rid of all somatic components from your spells if you need. Spellsword does a lesser effect. Or you can just use Mithral Feycraft Armor with Thistledown Padding to drop 20% failure off any armor.

JaronK

What book is in runesmith in?

Anderlith
2012-12-25, 02:36 AM
Magus from Pathfinder. Duskblade in 3.5.

Feralventas
2012-12-25, 02:53 AM
Pathfinder has a feat, Arcane Armor Training, reducing ASF by 10%.
Shadowsilk armor out of the Tome of Magic has a reduced ASF to begin with, as well as granting some stealth bonuses, but seems to only be available as Light armor; whether this can be inlaid in medium or heavy would be a DM call.

JaronK
2012-12-25, 03:01 AM
What book is in runesmith in?

As the poster above you mentioned, it's in Races of Stone. It's a REALLY good dwarf only PrC.

JaronK

Norin
2012-12-25, 05:39 AM
Also spellsword prc and that feat... battle caster?

Cranthis
2012-12-25, 12:27 PM
As the poster above you mentioned, it's in Races of Stone. It's a REALLY good dwarf only PrC.

JaronK

I think another book changed that.

Also, the twilight armor enchantment reduces whatever armor by 10% as well as having armor made of Mithral reduces by another 10%

Unusual Muse
2012-12-25, 12:33 PM
1. Dip a level of Fighter and take the Armored Mage ACF from Complete Mage, which lets you cast in light armor. Use the above methods to reduce the effective armor type down to light. Enjoy your extra hit points and bonus feats.

Cranthis
2012-12-25, 12:38 PM
1. Dip a level of Fighter and take the Armored Mage ACF from Complete Mage, which lets you cast in light armor. Use the above methods to reduce the effective armor type down to light. Enjoy your extra hit points and bonus feats.

That only applies to spells who's level is (fighter levels +1) or lower.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2012-12-25, 02:41 PM
1. Dip a level of Fighter and take the Armored Mage ACF from Complete Mage, which lets you cast in light armor. Use the above methods to reduce the effective armor type down to light. Enjoy your extra hit points and bonus feats.

You would be better off with a level of Spellthief and Master Spellthief, plus Battle Caster a few times as it looks like he's wanting to use heavy armor.

Unusual Muse
2012-12-25, 03:17 PM
You would be better off with a level of Spellthief and Master Spellthief, plus Battle Caster a few times as it looks like he's wanting to use heavy armor.

I know... just being completist. :smallsmile:

Rubik
2012-12-25, 03:26 PM
A Metamagic rod of Still Spell will negate somatic components 3/day (or on every spell you cast, if you spend 5/3 the cost of the rod). If you want to add more metamagic effects to a spell through a rod, simply add the cost of the new rod to the old via the item creation rules in the MIC (or the suggestions in the DMG, which are almost identical).

JaronK
2012-12-25, 04:06 PM
I think another book changed that.

Also, the twilight armor enchantment reduces whatever armor by 10% as well as having armor made of Mithral reduces by another 10%

Runesmith was never changed after Races of Stone.

JaronK

TroubleBrewing
2012-12-25, 11:01 PM
Man, RoS has some really, really good classes. Shadowcraft Mage, Deepwarden, and now I finally read Runesmith. No somatic components from 1st level, stupid easy to qualify for, AND it's a 5/5 casting class? REDONK.

Cranthis
2012-12-25, 11:07 PM
Runesmith was never changed after Races of Stone.

JaronK

I was thinking Runecaster.

JaronK
2012-12-26, 12:46 AM
Man, RoS has some really, really good classes. Shadowcraft Mage, Deepwarden, and now I finally read Runesmith. No somatic components from 1st level, stupid easy to qualify for, AND it's a 5/5 casting class? REDONK.

Don't forget the whole "turn anything into a spell like ability" thing. And then remember that spell likes never take more than a standard action to cast.

JaronK

Urpriest
2012-12-26, 01:21 AM
Feycraft and Githcraft are templates that both reduce ACP by 5% from DMGII. Justifying both can be...dubious.

Rubik
2012-12-26, 01:59 AM
Feycraft and Githcraft are templates that both reduce ACP by 5% from DMGII. Justifying both can be...dubious.Half-fey githyanki. Or possibly a gith/pixie couple? If a dragon can shag a human, that's definitely no stretch of the imagination.

JaronK
2012-12-26, 02:05 AM
It has to be a githyanki on the astral plane influenced by a fey character.

JaronK

Ravens_cry
2012-12-26, 03:38 AM
Pathfinder has a feat, Arcane Armor Training, reducing ASF by 10%.
Shadowsilk armor out of the Tome of Magic has a reduced ASF to begin with, as well as granting some stealth bonuses, but seems to only be available as Light armor; whether this can be inlaid in medium or heavy would be a DM call.
One thing to note about AAT is it takes a swift action to use, so never will your armoured mage cast an (unstilled) quicken spell.

TypoNinja
2012-12-26, 05:47 AM
Everyone always forgets the Master Craft items from Dragon #358. I donnou why, its got the Savage Tide path in it, which was really fun too.

Mastercraft items introduced a whole bunch of non-magical modifiers to armor and weapons. Caster armor has 5% less ASF off the top, and since its a crafting method, apply it to anything else and stack that sucker up.

Yuki Akuma
2012-12-26, 06:57 AM
People forget about it because it's in a magazine that not everyone read.

Actual books are much more likely to be owned by the majority of people on the site.

Ravens_cry
2012-12-26, 01:08 PM
People forget about it because it's in a magazine that not everyone read.

Actual books are much more likely to be owned by the majority of people on the site.
Not to mention there is a lot of things in that source that, even if they owned the magazine, no sane DM would allow.

Darrin
2012-12-26, 01:32 PM
I know... just being completist. :smallsmile:

No one mentioned Blended Quartz from A&EG. -20% ASF, but unfortunately incompatible with mithral. However, it's a little easier to get full plate down to 0% ASF:

-20% Blended Quartz
-10% Twilight
-5% Thistledown or Feycraft or Githcraft
-----
-35% ASF total

If you combine Thistledown with Feycraft and Githcraft (dubious maybe, but doable... Githyanki are susceptible to charm person), you can get up to -45% ASF, enough to cancel out Heavy Plate (Races of Stone).

Combine blended quartz with twilight, feycraft, githcraft, and a dip into Spellsword, and you can knock the ASF on a tower shield (50%) down to 0%.

TypoNinja
2012-12-26, 03:06 PM
People forget about it because it's in a magazine that not everyone read.

Actual books are much more likely to be owned by the majority of people on the site.

A shame, the Savage Tide path was all kinds of fun.