3.5 - The most official UNofficial fixes/errata for classes?

[Jon_Dahl]

I was reading the Hexblade thread and I found this old gem (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547530/Contacting_Wizards_of_the_Coast_about_Hex_Blades&post_num=11#332210466).

Then I wondered, are there any more fixes like this one? It would be interesting to know what is the most official fighter-fix or monk-fix. Please elaborate why the proposed fix is more official than anything else.

In Hexblade's case, Mike Mearls is the D&D Lead Designer, and while he doesn't seem to be really serious about his ideas about fixing the Hexblade, it's still undeniable officially unofficial... Or something... Find a better wording! :smallsmile:

[Snowbluff]

Dayum, that's pretty awesome.

I heard Practiced Spellcaster was okayed for boosting Eldritch Blast by one of the designers. I'll try and find it something. It's mentioned in the handbook I took over.

[Venusaur]

This (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11610.msg397441#msg397441) is an unofficial shadowcaster fix by the author.

[mattie_p]

This (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11610.msg397441#msg397441) is an unofficial shadowcaster fix by the author.

Should at least post the original one (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?167796-The-Shadowcaster-weak&p=2957649&viewfull=1#post2957649), followed a few months later by an update (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?184955-Shadowcaster-fixes-by-Mouseferatu&p=3273239#post3273239).

[RFLS]

Here's the fighter fix. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2)

[Jon_Dahl]

Here's the fighter fix. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2)

With all due respect, I don't agree with you.

It's a new class. There is no way to associate it with fighters. Yes, it does the same job and it's more powerful, but it's a different class.

[Kazyan]

Here's the fighter fix. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2)

*mouse hovering over text*

It's a sarcastic Warblade link, isn't it.

*clicks*

Called it.

[RFLS]

With all due respect, I don't agree with you.

It's a new class. There is no way to associate it with fighters. Yes, it does the same job and it's more powerful, but it's a different class.

I should have been more clear- when I highlight in blue, it's some form of sarcasm. In this case, I was trying to make fun of the sheer number of times Warblades are referred to as a "fighter fix" on these boards; I wasn't genuinely suggesting that that's what the Warblade class is. I largely agree with you, although I do think that Fighter could have been *ahem* better done, to say the least.

[Runestar]

With all due respect, I don't agree with you.

It's a new class. There is no way to associate it with fighters. Yes, it does the same job and it's more powerful, but it's a different class.

That's the whole point. There isn't really anything wrong with the fighter if you like a melee class that can dish out tons of combat in melee. If you want more options however, there really isn't a way to fix it without an extensive rewrite. And if you are going to revise it until it looks nothing like the fighter of old, why not simply go with a "fix" which already exists, aka warblade?

Anyways, every other revision I have seen simply focuses on boosting the fighter's combat prowess (which doesn't need any more help), while continuing to ignore their traditional shortcomings. Hence, they continue to face the same problems.

For druid, simply go with PHB2's shapeshift and spontaneous rejuvenation variants.

[Snowbluff]

Warblade IS the fighter fix.

They are Full-BaB and get bonus feats.

They can take Fighter-only feats.

They can swap out weapon-specific feats (most of which are fighter-only).

My only complaint is that the Warblade is official.

[Gigas Breaker]

Unarmed swordsage is the monk fix. Don't nobody try to argue about it neither.

[Snowbluff]

Unarmed swordsage is the monk fix. Don't nobody try to argue about it neither.

That's also official.

I'd say Crusader is the Paladin fix, but Crusader's hardly resemble paladins, and they aren't an unofficial errata, either.

[TuggyNE]

How about Dvati?

[Gavinfoxx]

Greenbound Summoning is supposed to be a +2 Metamagic feat. So says the guy that wrote it.

[toapat]

That's also official.

I'd say Crusader is the Paladin fix, but Crusader's hardly resemble paladins, and they aren't an unofficial errata, either.

it also doesnt count because, unlike Fighter and Monk, Paladin actually did get fixed in house.

Alot

[Snowbluff]

it also doesnt count because, unlike Fighter and Monk, Paladin actually did get fixed in house.

Alot

Everybody, Toapat's Paladins.

It's sorta like if I went into every thread with nothing but Swiftblade.

Paladins are alright, but I'd pretty much rather be anything other than a Paladin for a Paladin type build.

[Jon_Dahl]

Thank you all for the replies, but is there any way we could forget about ToB for a moment and see if there's any actual errata to classes? Please, I will pay you, ok?

[Snowbluff]

The Richard Baker secondary FAQ. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19520666/Warlock_Faq_by_Rich_Baker?pg=1)

[RFLS]

Thank you all for the replies, but is there any way we could forget about ToB for a moment and see if there's any actual errata to classes? Please, I will pay you, ok?

You're wrong! Strawberry is bett-...wait, sorry, wrong topic.

[phlidwsn]

Thank you all for the replies, but is there any way we could forget about ToB for a moment and see if there's any actual errata to classes? Please, I will pay you, ok?

How about actual errata to the ToB? aka the ToB Unofficial Errata (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=335.0) (Don't hit link on mobile devices, minmax mobile got hacked)

[Kazyan]

Thank you all for the replies, but is there any way we could forget about ToB for a moment and see if there's any actual errata to classes? Please, I will pay you, ok?

No, there isn't, actually. All ToB discussion must remain ToB discussion. All hail ToB, lest you be chewed out by the vocal minority. HAIL.

[Larkas]

How about actual errata to the ToB? aka the ToB Unofficial Errata (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=335.0) (Don't hit link on mobile devices, minmax mobile got hacked)

That unofficial errata is awesome. I know of a little bit of errata that wasn't really incorporated in the main body of the document, however: link (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=337.0;msg=24333). Not a reason not to use it, though.

[Talionis]

No, there isn't, actually. All ToB discussion must remain ToB discussion. All hail ToB, lest you be chewed out by the vocal minority. HAIL.

Tome of Battle is good at what it does and grants some nice things to the mundane classes that could really use some nice things.

Must mundane (non-magical) classes are vastly underpowered and/or very much one trick ponies. That's why threads like this appear praying for errata to make Fighters and Monks more interesting and more powerful.

3.5 puts way too much of a value on Full BAB.

But to answer the thread, I thought there was some official unofficial errata to Warlocks, but I was having trouble finding a link.

[Talionis]

Minds Eye is official, but it may fall into fixes for some of the weaker psionic classes like Divine Mind: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a

[Sith_Happens]

Unarmed swordsage is the monk fix. Don't nobody try to argue about it neither.


That's also official.

I'd say semi-official, since it's a line in the "Adaptation" section rather than a listed variant class.

[WinWin]

The Tomes. The Tome of Necromancy, Dungeonomicon, Book of Fiends, Races of War plus some unfinished stuff.

[Lonely Tylenol]

The Greyhawk Deities Expanded Domain List (http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/we/greyhawkdeities.html), which in fact includes a number of Faerunian deities and domains, is an unofficial fix for matching up domains with deities written by Sean K. Reynolds, who was one of the authors of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer that it seeks to revise. In addition to the fixes (which are in green), it offers a number of additional suggestions for expanding deities' domain lists (in red).