[3.5] Highest possible ability scores?

[Flickerdart]

Disclaimer: We all know about the old Shambling Mound + Persisted Thunderhead and Cancer Mage tricks that give infinite ability scores, and Pun-Pun also has very big ability scores. Please don't bring them up.

Disclaimer 2: Epic rules are wack, and should not be considered seriously. That means boosting CL arbitrarily high also doesn't count - you get 20 max and you're stuck with it.

Disclaimer 3: Turning into something with huge scores doesn't count. If you're going to use stats from a fancy beastie, you're getting them through obscene ECL or not at all.

Disclaimer 4: Permanent scores only, please. Being able to get +one billionty Intelligence for one round doesn't make you the smartest guy the rest of the time.

You want to be the strongest guy around. You want to outthink the brightest minds there are. Boosting skill ranks and stacking things is for chumps; the smartest person should have the biggest Intelligence score! Everyone else can get +5 from levels, +5 from tomes, and +6 from trinkets, but you're going to do one better, which is why I won't be mentioning inherent or enhancement bonuses unless they are bigger than those above.

Any
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Human Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Half-elf Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Chameleon | PrC | RoD | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | At levels 4, 7, and 10
[/table]


Strength
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
War Hulk | PrC | Web (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20030914a) | N/A |
3.5 | +20 | +2 per level, prerequisites
Orc | Race | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +4 | 0 LA
Orc Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | After 3 levels
Llolth-touched | Template | MM4 | 93 | 3.5 | +6 | +1 LA
Dragon Disciple | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +4 | +2 at levels 2 and 4
Warshaper | PrC | CWar | 90 | 3.5 | +4 | At level 2, while transformed
Silithar Muscles | Graft | LoM | 217 | 3.5 | +2 | Untyped
Wild | Template | Dragon #?? | ?? | 3.? | +2 | +0 LA
Arm of Nyr | Graft | DotF | ?? | 3.0 | +2 | Untyped
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Dexterity
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Silithar Tendons | Graft | LoM? | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | Untyped
Muckdweller | Race | SK | ?? | 3.? | +6 | LA 0
Jermlaine | Race | MM2? | ?? | 3.0 | +6 | LA 0
Arm of Nyr | Graft | DotF | ?? | 3.0 | +2 | Untyped
[/table]

Constitution

{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Mongrelfolk | Race | RoD | 98 | 3.5 | +4 | LA 0
Dragonborn | Template | RotD | 8 | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Llolth-touched | Template | MM4 | 93 | 3.5 | +6 | +1 LA
Dragon Disciple | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | +2 at level 6
Dwarf Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Stoneblessed | PrC | RoS | 123 | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Warshaper | PrC | CWar | 90 | 3.5 | +4 | At level 2, while transformed
Silithar Bones | Graft | LoM | 217 | 3.5 | +2 | Untyped
Arctic | Template | Dragon #?? | ?? | 3.? | +2 | +0 LA
[/table]

Intelligence
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Old ages | Age category | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | up to +3 | Some creatures age differently
Dragon Disciple | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | +2 at level 8
Fire Elf | Race | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Elf Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
[/table]

Wisdom
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Old ages | Age category | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | up to +3 | Some creatures age differently
Jermlaine | Race | MM2? | ?? | 3.0 | +6 | LA 0
Anthro Bat | Race | SS | ?? | 3.0 | +6 | LA 0
Anthro Toad | Race | SS | ?? | 3.0 | +6 | LA 0
[/table]

Charisma
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Old ages | Age category | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | up to +3 | Some creatures age differently
Gnome Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Hellbred | Race | FC1 or 2? | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Star Elf | Race | ?? | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Lesser Aasimar| Race | ?? | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Spellscale | Race | RotD | ?? | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Magic-Blooded (Spark) | Template | Dragon #?? | ?? | 3.? | +2 | +0 LA
[/table]

I'd like to compile this into a master list (as far as I know, none such exists yet) eventually, so keep throwing suggestions this way!

[AmberVael]

While they're fairly expensive, it's worth noting the Silithar Grafts from Lords of Madness. Silithar Muscles, Tendons, and Bones add +2 to Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution respectively, and don't actually have a type bonus.

Half-Giant + Primordial Giant gives you +4 int and +4 cha for +1 la, which may be worth noting. It's not as impressive as Lloth-touched, but I've found that raising intelligence and charisma is generally harder than the physical scores.

Evolved undead likely should get a mention, since you can stack it indefinitely for its ability bonuses.


If you want to mention Dragon Magazine material, Half-Minotaur should probably get a mention, since it drastically increases strength and also gives a decent con bonus, at least for small and medium sized creatures.

[Tantaburs]

Lolth touched Half minotaur orge
LA 4/RHD4/X 2/Warhulk 10

Belt of giants strength +6
level Bonuses +3

Assume starting with an 18 gets you 18 +12(half minotaur), +6 (lolth touched), +10 Orge, +20 War hulk, +3 level bonuses, +6 belt.

For a total of 75 strength

[VGLordR2]

If you go with the interpretation that the Racial Variants from Dragon Magazine can be applied to any race (and not just PHB races), you can get +2 Strength from Wild, +2 Constitution from Arctic, and +2 Charisma from Magic-Blooded.

[rockdeworld]

I think this has been done already. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19861650/The_3.5_CO_Board_Thread_of_World_Records)
Also worth noting: Pun-pun gets NI stats.

On a site note: why do you cap CL at 20, and remove the ability to change forms? ELH aside, that means you can't get more impressive stats by Shapechanging into a Solar.

Edit: Also, while that link lists the highest STR score as 187, the
Baby Shump (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19873078/Hulking_Hurler_build&post_num=963#338560114)
CN male Symbiotic Paragon Savage Vampire Ankholian Ravenous Nether Hound Fleshvigor Evolved Favored Spawn of Kyuss Cauldron Spawn Bodak Gravetouched Web Mummy Mummified Living Wall Juju Zombie Shadowslain Scion of Kyuss enlarged Corpse Bone Ghoulish Ghastly Dry Lich Greenbound Half-Lemorian Fiend Half-Air Elemental Half-Earth Elemental Half-Fire Elemental Half-Water Elemental Half-Celestial Epic Pseudonatural Half-Farspawn Wood Element Gelatinous Blightspawned Thomil Demonically Fused Magma Element Spellwarped Corrupted by the Abyss Half-Illithid Woodling minute form Half-Machine Twenty-nine-Headed enlarged Half-Dragon (Adamantine) Half-Dragon (Amethyst) Half-Dragon (Arboreal) Half-Dragon (Battle) Half-Dragon (Beast) Half-Dragon (Black) Half-Dragon (Blue) Half-Dragon (Brass) Half-Dragon (Bronze) Half-Dragon (Brown) Half-Dragon (Chaos) Half-Dragon (Copper) Half-Dragon (Chromium) Half-Dragon (Cobalt) Half-Dragon (Concordant) Half-Dragon (Crystal) Half-Dragon (Deep) Half-Dragon (Emerald) Half-Dragon (Ethereal) Half-Dragon (Fang) Half-Dragon (Force) Half-Dragon (Gold) Half-Dragon (Green) Half-Dragon (Howling) Half-Dragon (Iron) Half-Dragon (Nickel) Half-Dragon (Oceanus) Half-Dragon (Prismatic) Half-Dragon (Pyroclastic) Half-Dragon (Radiant) Half-Dragon (Red) Half-Dragon (Rust) Half-Dragon (Sapphire) Half-Dragon (Shadow) Half-Dragon (Silver) Half-Dragon (Song) Half-Dragon (Steel) Half-Dragon (Styx) Half-Dragon (Tarterian) Half-Dragon (Topaz) Half-Dragon (Tungsten) Half-Dragon (White) Half-Dragon (Chiang Lung) Half-Dragon (Li Lung) Half-Dragon (Lung Wang) Half-Dragon (Pan Lung) Half-Dragon (Shen Lung) Half-Dragon (T’ien Lung) Half-Dragon (Tun Mi Lung) Half-Dragon (Yu Lung) Were-Forestmaster awakened Paragon Savage Mineral Warrior Stonebone Remade Lolth-touched Half-Iron Golem Warbeast Dungeonbred Titanic Blood Ghoul Squid Ka-Tainted Madborn Reptilian Dark Thrall of Onysablet Hooded Pupil Katane Ghul Genden Fetch Half-Satyr Half-Ogre Half-Minotaur reduced Dragon Vassal (Yellow) Half-Scrag Skorenoi Taint-blood Wendigo Lost Tarterian (Shator) Proto Draconic Corrupted Beast of Xvim Voidmind Chimeric (Black) Bloodrager Quorbound Kaiju Forestmaster Dungeonbred Spirit of the Woods Warbeast Titanic Savage Mineral Warrior Stonebone Remade Blood Ghoul Lolth-touched Magebred Half-Brass Golem Squid Half-Ogre Tauric Maenad enlarged Blightspawned Forestmaster Paragon Stonebone Remade Half-Machine Voidmind Tarterian (Shator) Draconic Woodling, Savage Lost Proto Mineral Warrior Half-Brass Golem Bloodrager Corrupted Lolth-Touched Blood Ghoul Cave Troodon Fighter 2/Barbarian 1/Hulking Hurler 2 gets 4501 STR at ECL 10.

[Juntao112]

The Chameleon grants ability score bonuses which can be assigned to any stat.

[Darius Kane]

Warshaper 2: +4 str and Con.

[Flickerdart]

On a site note: why do you cap CL at 20, and remove the ability to change forms? ELH aside, that means you can't get more impressive stats by Shapechanging into a Solar.

You just answered your own question there. Turning into whatever you feel like makes things too easy, whereas a simple resource of "if you want to jack up an ability score for PO purposes, this is how" is, I feel, infinitely more useful.

[Amechra]

I've got a trick somewhere that can pretty much give you a +14 (a bit lower for some of them) to any mental stat. Pretty much permanently.

You kinda need a friendly Circle Magic user with some slight CL optimization (you pretty much need, if I remember correctly, a CL of 48 to pull this off; good thing +8 CL isn't that hard to grab if you know what you're doing...)

Also, that 75 strength build can be used to generate a +18 Enhancement bonus to Strength, which can be "stored" on a duplicate build, and then looped back.

Seriously, though, my tricks for this need really, really high Caster Levels.

If you want a quick temporary boost, are level one, and have a crazy DM that allows Dragon Magazine, may I suggest a nice Barbarian with the Whirling Frenzy ACF, Khyber's Fury, Ettercap Lodge Berserker, and Reckless Rage feats, and a nice refluffing to get past those feat requirements?

When you enter a rage, you get +8 Strength, +8 Constitution, +2 to Reflex saves and saves vs. Poison, and an extra attack on a full attack, with all attacks at a -2 penalty.

The only drawback is a -2 to AC (-2 to AC from Reckless Rage; Khyber's Fury increases that to -4, and Whirling Frenzy gives a +2 to AC.)

Not exactly what you were looking for, but it really counts at 1st level, eh?

[Snowbluff]

Horseshoes of Flame. Give good all around stats. They are horse shoes though. Good luck nailing the to yourself after you pass the UMD check.

[Hirax]

Minmax boards have a good handbook that you could peruse, once they're back online.

[Tantaburs]

Horseshoes of Flame. Give good all around stats. They are horse shoes though. Good luck nailing the to yourself after you pass the UMD check.

If you were to polymorph yourself into a centaur put the horseshoes on when the spell ended would the horseshoes still be on?

[Morph Bark]

Lolth touched Half minotaur orge
LA 4/RHD4/X 2/Warhulk 10

Belt of giants strength +6
level Bonuses +3

Assume starting with an 18 gets you 18 +12(half minotaur), +6 (lolth touched), +10 Orge, +20 War hulk, +3 level bonuses, +6 belt.

For a total of 75 strength

Half-Minotaur grants +4 Strength. To many it gives another +8 because it increases their size category from Medium to Large. However, since Ogres are already Large, their size is not increased.

[BowStreetRunner]

Here is a list of 3.5 PrCs that grant Ability Score Bonuses (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255377) from an earlier thread.

[Vaz]

Saintly Magic Blooded Fey touched Unseelie Fey Lesser Aasimar is +12 Charisma for +2LA I think.

Venerable for +3.

Courtier 18, Crane Clan, Doji's Blessing x6; gets +12 Charisma

Cloak of Charisma +6

+5 for Level Growth
+5 from Tome.

So that's 51 right there; which using the above Circle Magic for a further +14 to Cha.

There isn't too much you can do with that though; Marshal 1 lets you shift that Attribute to any other score ; but with Venerable and the Templates can giving you -7 to Physical Scores a low BAB, and consequently only 1 other level to key some useful ability off, it is not all that useful aside from as an NPC, or for any other SAD Character in Gestalt (Marshal whizzes his Cha bonus to another stat; since when are you not your own Ally - alternatively take Dvati.

If you also have any other Characters which depend on Sky-high Stats, you can just Motivate it; it certainly makes up for -7 to Con (Slightly). It particularly works on a high Dex character to get an Initiative out the wazoo to act before you take Damage - -4 HP a level is fairly horrendous.

[killem2]

Probably not the best idea, but, casting a permanent enlarge person helps. Though highly limited because it can only effect humanoids.

The Anthropomorphics from SS, can get pretty stupid as well.

A petal with templates for CHA can get pretty ridiculous.

[Mato]

Race: Primordial Half-Giant*
Class: Sorcerer 19** / Prestige Bard 1
Items: Runestaff of being Awesome (see below), Horseshoes of Flame, Spellcasting Services, Wand of Righteous Aura, Worm of Minauros.
*take 0 levels in half-giant for base traits only.
**Can be any PrC, for post purposes Persist's cost is considered to be mitigated by any means.

The Setup
You'll need to either take Arcane Disciple for the Fey, Mysticism, and Diabolic Domains and then either keep them or craft a Runestaff then retrain out those Feats (or hire some smook to do it for you).

Hire a spellcaster to cast Wish on you five times in a row, it's slightly cheaper than buying a Tome of Leadership. Then UMD being a member of the "Horse" race and nail those Horseshoes to the back of your hands and bottoms of your feet. No pain no gain.

FC1's Faustian Pact (pact insidious) doesn't fully change your alignment and lets you pick up a +1 bonus to any ability score for five out of the nine available points (@9 you're LE). If you are already Evil aligned, welcome to the dark side :)

Being awesome
As part of your morning preparation cast and Persist the following spells.
1. Greater Visage of the Deity, 9th lvl, UMD Good, +4 unnamed.
2. Nixe's Grace, 6th lvl, +8 enhancement.
3. Devil's Ego, 3rd lvl, +4 profane.
4. Righteous Aura, 4th lvl via metamagic wandgrip, +4 sacred.

Sustained: 42 = 18 (base) + 4 (primordial) + 5 (level) + 2 (age) + 1 (pact) + 1 (worm) + 5 (inherent) + 6 (shoes)

24+ Hour Buffed: 62 = Sustained + 4 (visage) + 8 (enhance) + 4 (sacred) + 4 (profane).

Temp Buffed: 68 = Buffed + Luhix (1 hour, reusable, +2 alchemical), Snowsong (10min/cl, 6th lvl spell, +4 moral)

Allowed? Additions
Command (update conflicts): +4 competence.
Ability Enhancer (dragon): +2 to any ability bonus provided by a transmutation spell.
Fell Energy (dragon): As above, but as +1 metamagic & requires undeath.
Magic-Blooded (dragon) +2 unnamed.

***

Possible Charisma at +0 LA, a single level of caster advancement (which a runestaff can fix), and no any class specific increases.
90 (+40) = 18 (base) + 4 (primordial) + 2 (magic-blooded) + 5 (level) + 2 (age) + 1 (pact) + 1 (worm) + 5 (inherent) + 6 (shoes) + 4 (competence) + 8 (visage) + 12 (enhance) + 6 (sacred) + 8 (profane*) + 2 (alchemical) + 6 (moral)
*both visage & devil's ego change you're type from undead to outsider, you'll have to find a way to reobtain the undead type between casting those spells.

[VGLordR2]

Ability Enhancer (dragon): +2 to any ability bonus provided by a spell (side effect; only need 2 wishes for a +5 bonus)


Ability Enhancer only applies to spells from the Transmutation school.

[Mato]

Corrected.

Note: Devil's Ego, Visage of the Deity, and Nixies' Grace are Transmutation. Snowsong is Enchantment and Righteous Aura is Abjuration.

[Snowbluff]

If you were to polymorph yourself into a centaur put the horseshoes on when the spell ended would the horseshoes still be on?

I guess, but you had six limbs as a centaur, and 4 a a person. Where fo the other Horseshoes go?

I would say just wear them around your neck or something...

[herrhauptmann]

Stoneblessed get a +2 Con.
Halforc paragon gets a +2 str (Halforcs get both half orc, and orc paragons if they wish)


Like Killem said, permanent enlarge person. Or psionic expansion for strength.

I might be wrong, but a combination of Girallons Blessing, and Fuse Arms (SC for both) should grant a strength boost. They might be viable for permanency, which puts them in range of your guide.

[rockdeworld]

You just answered your own question there. Turning into whatever you feel like makes things too easy, whereas a simple resource of "if you want to jack up an ability score for PO purposes, this is how" is, I feel, infinitely more useful.
Ah, PO. Ignore my first post then. It seems I was the only one confused about that too.

[Mato]

Dumber than a box-o-roxxers but can beat you over the head with one

Dread Warrior* Wild Proto Dragonborn Water Orc Barbarian 1
Str: 36/40 (+13/+15) = 18 (base) + 4 (orc) + 4 (proto) + 2 (wild) + 4 (dread) + 4 (enhance) + 4 (rage)
Intelligence: 2 = 14 (base) - 2 (orc) - 2 (proto) - 2 (wild) - 6 (dread)
Charisma: 2 = 14 (base) - 2 (orc) - 4 (proto) -2 (wild) - 4 (dread)
*Requires an 11th level Cleric with corpsecrafter to force the 'la -' template on the build, then die to give up control.

Technically 1st level with no LA increase.

[Snowbluff]

Dumber than a box-o-roxxers but can beat you over the head with one

Dread Warrior* Wild Proto Dragonborn Water Orc Barbarian 1
Str: 36/40 (+13/+15) = 18 (base) + 4 (orc) + 4 (proto) + 2 (wild) + 4 (dread) + 4 (enhance) + 4 (rage)
Intelligence: 2 = 14 (base) - 2 (orc) - 2 (proto) - 2 (wild) - 6 (dread)
Charisma: 2 = 14 (base) - 2 (orc) - 4 (proto) -2 (wild) - 4 (dread)
*Requires an 11th level Cleric with corpsecrafter to force the 'la -' template on the build, then die to give up control.

Technically 1st level with no LA increase.
How about the Feral Template for SS? :smallsmile:

[Mato]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure things like Feral, Loth, a Furious weapon (turns rage into greater rage) and of course 19 more levels could improve that value just a hair.

Just saying...

['Able' Xanthis]

Isn't there a spell from Oriental Adventures, I think its their Shadowlands expansion or the one on blood magic, that allows you to permanently up your Charisma after dancing with evil spirits or something. I know I've read of it before.

[Mato]

When I get home I'll look it up, but if you're right.

THANKS!

['Able' Xanthis]

It seems we are looking for the guy who wants to be the very best at everything so in this sense the real test is the fact we can't dump stats. That's painful to min-maxers.

[Flickerdart]

Doesn't have to be at everything - if you have a big enough hammer, everything is a nail. :smallamused:

['Able' Xanthis]

Aw, I thought we had an honest to goodness challenge on our hands. It would be awesome to see a character who had mid-20's in all stats without magic items and such, just him.

[Gandariel]

Something interesting to see would be this:

With the restrictions given by the OP (no epic or infinite stuff, normal cl, no becoming another monster)
Provide the 20th ECL character with the highest score TOTAL, that is the sum of his Str,Dex,Con,Int,Wis and Cha scores. Character is created with 32 Point buy.
The scores must be permanent (Persisted is fine)(Only REALLY permanent stuff)

[Kazyan]

Let's see. Start with a Greensnake Naga (the optimization swiss army knife) and throw in a couple of levels of Warshaper for +4 Str/Con when in alternate form. [Shapeshifter] makes that work, so we don't have to deal with the "Alternate Form isn't sufficient" thing. That leaves 17 levels to be a DMM:Persist Cleric. Giant Size, Greater Visage of the Diety, Divine Snowsong, etc.. Anyone want to crunch the numbers?

[rockdeworld]

It would be awesome to see a character who had mid-20's in all stats without magic items and such, just him.
Astral Deva with 20 point buy: Str 22, Dex 20, Con 20, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 :smallsmile:

Anyone want to crunch the numbers?
The OP said no to persisted spells (or regular), since they're not permanent.

[Gandariel]

The OP said no to persisted spells (or regular), since they're not permanent.
Oh, i didn't see that. Correcting my own post.

Also,

Astral Deva with 20 point buy: Str 22, Dex 20, Con 20, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20 :smallsmile:


OP also said no monstrous forms :smallsmile:

[rockdeworld]

OP also said no monstrous forms :smallsmile:
See Disclaimer 3 :smalltongue:

[Sgt. Cookie]

I don't know if this counts, as it's technically permanent but can be lost at any time, but a Maximised, Empowered Awaken cast on any tiny or smaller plant, which then becomes the guest of a Symbiote (Savage Species, page 131), can give you a base 27 to ALL your mental ability scores for LA 1.

[Melcar]

becoming a lich and then demi lich give a total bonus of + 12 to int wisdom and charisma

[Gandariel]

awaken doesn't work (because it has no listed LA or such, it can't be played by a PC)

Lich thing is cool, but how many LA is that?

[rockdeworld]

Lich thing is cool, but how many LA is that?
Also unlisted, and in the ELH.

[Sgt. Cookie]

awaken doesn't work (because it has no listed LA or such, it can't be played by a PC)

Irrelevant, the Symbiote template overrides the LA statistic.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Demilish is at least +4 LA since you need to be lich first and prohibited by the 20 CL cap.

For base creature I suggest the humble Marrulurk (Sand), +2 str, +4 con, +6 dex, +6 wis +4 cha. One might want to do some level drain shenanigans to get rid of the monstrous humanoid RHD.

[Anthrowhale]

Marrulurk is pretty good.

Savage Species Anthropomorphic Animals also have many possibilities.

ECL 3:
L Baleen Whale: +20

ECL 4:
M Cheetah: +22
M Leopard: +22
M Wolverine: +22
L Cachalot Whale: +24

ECL 5:
M Brown/Polar Bear: +20
L Elepahant: +24
L Orca Whale: +26

[Flickerdart]

I'm trying to add the exact values of all the stuff people have posted to the OP. There aren't any stats or requirements listed for a bunch of things though, and sources would be neat as well...anyone mind lending me a hand?

[AmberVael]

I'd be willing to help out, if there is something particular that you're looking for.

Perhaps I might suggest putting things in a format something like Person_Man used for X stat to Y bonus? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732) If you do that, then different people could work on different abilities and just go from there. And we'd know exactly what information to give.

[Flickerdart]

Done and done.

[AmberVael]

Added in what I know about the Strength stuff, just quote and copy paste for it.
Edit: And constitution


Strength
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
War Hulk | PrC | Web (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20030914a) | N/A |
3.5 | +20 | +2 per level, prerequisites
Orc | Race | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +4 | 0 LA
Orc Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | After 3 levels
Llolth-touched | Template | MM4 | 93 | 3.5 | +6 | +1 LA
Dragon Disciple | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +4 | +2 at levels 2 and 4
Warshaper | PrC | CWar | 90 | 3.5 | +4 | At level 2, while transformed
Silithar Muscles | Graft | LoM | 217 | 3.5 | +2 | Untyped
Wild | Template | Dragon #?? | ?? | 3.? | +2 | +0 LA
[/table]

Constitution
{table=head]Name | Type | Book |
Page # |
Edition | Bonus | Notes
Mongrelfolk | Race | RoD | 98 | 3.5 | +4 | LA 0
Dragonborn | Template | RotD | 8 | 3.5 | +2 | LA 0
Llolth-touched | Template | MM4 | 93 | 3.5 | +6 | +1 LA
Dragon Disciple | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | +2 at level 6
Dwarf Paragon | PrC | SRD | N/A | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Stoneblessed | PrC | RoS | 123 | 3.5 | +2 | At level 3
Warshaper | PrC | CWar | 90 | 3.5 | +4 | At level 2, while transformed
Silithar Bones | Graft | LoM | 217 | 3.5 | +2 | Untyped
Arctic | Template | Dragon #?? | ?? | 3.? | +2 | +0 LA
[/table]

[Melcar]

In the Path of Magic, Path of Faith and Path of Shadow books from Legends and Lairs, are som Legendary classes. Its like prestige classes just realy powerful/overpowered. Some of these classes give a stat bonus of up to a maximum of 5, depending on at what level you choose the ability. And since ets called a legendary bonus it will stack with almost anyting!

[Deophaun]

The Arm of Nyr in Defenders of the Faith. Untyped +2 Strength and +2 Dexterity bonus for good characters that need an arm replaced.

[Flickerdart]

Added the Arm. DotF is 3.0, right?

[AmberVael]

Some smaller additions-

The Wild, Arctic, and Magic-Blooded (Spark) templates (under Str, Con, and Cha respectively) are all found in Dragon Magazine #306.

Arctic is on page 61, Magic-Blooded is on page 64, Wild is on page 65.

It was released in April 2003, which I believe was before the 3.5 update.


Silithar Tendons, under Dexterity, can be found in precisely the same place as the other Silithar Grafts (Lords of Madness, page 217).