Number of Character Appearances (Improved!)

[Wrecan]

I don't think so. We don't include every time someone gets drunk or nauseated. Heck, Roy is almost continually sleep-deprived!!

[Chronos]

Fair enough. I was just thinking of including it because it has a visible effect (the baggy eyes). Then again, though, I guess drunkenness also has a visible effect in this world, the green bubbles above the head.

[Porthos]

505: Daigo D., Durkon, Elan, Vaarsuvius

[Wrecan]

Right you are, Porthos!


Updated through 505
Daigo D., Durkon, Elan, Vaarsuvius

[Vargtass]

506: Durkon, Vaarsuvius, Elan, Hinjo, Therkla, Therkla's ominous master (telepatic voice). I don't think we can really identify the particular Sea Troll from today's strip in the previous one, can we?

[SoD]

Nope, each sea troll seems to just be a copy of the others, they're all identical.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 506
Durkon, Elan, Hinjo, Kubota's Ominous Ally, Therkla, Vaarsuvius

[SoD]

Should the Little Psion that Could be thrown in? He's sort of a named character with one appearance and there's someone who looks a lot like him in Origin in one panel...

[RMS Oceanic]

Comic 507: Durkon, Vaarsuvius, Lien, Hinjo, Elan, Daigo

[Chronos]

The last panel is a copy of the panel from 504. So Attacking Sea Trolls, Fleeing Wedding Guest with Blue Wine, Fleeing Female Wedding Guest, and Scrag-Fighting Soldier U all have two appearances, now.

I think. It can't really be the same Scrag-Fighting Soldier (you only die once), but can we assume the others are the same?

[Wrecan]

Updated through 507
Daigo D., Durkon, Elan, Fleeing Female Wedding Guest, Fleeing Male Wedding Guest, Hinjo, Lien, Vaarsuvius

I'll accept that the wedding guests are the same. The soldier is likely different, or, at least, interchangeable.

[David Argall]

The trolls seem to rate as tow, or even three appearances, and may reach 4 with the next comic. Maybe Therkla comes back to try for Hinjo again. Troll she flanked before recognizes her, and beats her up before being killed by Elan. Assuming any enemy of the trolls has to be a friend... So we are quite possibly going to have a troll with 4 appearances.

[lordevilweasel]

Couldn't find it on your list, but is it possible you are missing the weasel from the bag of tricks, who appears in both 144 and 174?

[Wrecan]

The trolls seem to rate as tow, or even three appearances, and may reach 4 with the next comic.
Read the fifth Q&A in the FAQ. Generic trolls are not counted.


Couldn't find it on your list, but is it possible you are missing the weasel from the bag of tricks, who appears in both 144 and 174?
The weasel if listed as "hors d'ouevres".

[Wrecan]

Updated through 508
Daigo D., Durkon, Elan, Hinjo, Kazumi Kato, Lien, Vaarsuvius

[Wrecan]

A questions for the group. We don't count multiple appearances in one strip as multiple appearances of one character, but should we somehow note appearances in multiple-strips? Starting with Comic 120, and then in 136, 200 (a quadruple-strip), 250, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277 (a triple), 282, 284, 285, 290, 298, 300, 311, 316, 331, 337, 352, 361, 367, 373, 382, 387 (a triple), 388, 389, 392 (a triple), 393 (a triple), 399, 400, 406 (a triple), 408, 410 (a triple), 413, 420, 421, 422, 424, 426, 428 (a triple), 429, 430, 435, 439, 442 (a triple), 448, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 458, 459, 460, 463, 467, 468, 469, 470, 473, 474, 477 (a triple), 478, 483, 484 (a triple), 485, 490, 498, 499, 500 (a quadruple), and 501 the Giant would occasionally give us double-, triple- or even quadruple-strips, often to make up for publishing delays.

Maybe we count those appearances twice, or maybe we mark it in blue, like we mark appearances in bonus materials in red.

If we were to count it, the following characters would get additional appearances:

Roy +32
Haley +27
Elan +27
Belkar +21
Hinjo +16
Durkon +13
Miko +12
Vaarsuvius +9
Xykon +9
Thog +8
Nale +6
Redcloak +5
Creature in the Darkness +4
Demon Roaches +4
Eugene Greenhilt +4
Shojo +4
Soon Kim +4
Zombie Dragon +4
Celia +3
Daigo D. +3
Julio Scoundrel +3
Kazumi Kato +3
O-Chul +3
A mess of Sapphire Guardsmen +2
Dorukan +2
Eyepatched Cliffport Gaoler +2
Girard Draketooth +2
Grand Larcenist +2
Hobgoblin General +2
Horace Greenhilt +2
Julia Greenhilt +2
Lien +2
Sangwaan +2
Serini Toormuck +2
Windstriker +2
Argent +1
Azure City Blacksmith +1
Azure City High Priest +1
Belkar's Left Shoulder Devil +1
Belkar's Right Shoulder Devil +1
Blue Ninja (dark) +1
Blue Ninja (light) +1
Bureaucratic Deva +1
Captain Axe +1
Chief +1
Committed Cliffport Gaoler +1
Dragon +1
Fiendish Mammoth +1
Gay Cliffport Gaoler +1
General Chang +1
Hades +1
Hobgoblin cleric +1
Huecuva +1
Kraagor +1
Lirian +1
Marduk +1
Mr. Dragon +1
Mr. Scruffy +1
Odin +1
Oracle +1
Pole-arm Emporium cat +1
Pole-arm Emporium clerk +1
Redcloak's Bodyguard +1
Rookie +1
Sabine +1
Sara Greenhilt +1
Skullsy +1
Soldier at the wall +1
Thor +1
Titanium Elementals +1
Zeus +1

Thoughts?

[MCerberus]

Well each page isn't numbered in the archive. Plus you get things like continuing on a common mini-plot that just wouldn't fit on one page, plus splash screens and the like adding nothing. I'd say no.

[Fawkes]

I'm for it. How many new characters would have to be added that only had one appearance before?

[Chronos]

I think that that way madness lies. Plus, there are a few fractional strips: Most recently, 500 was 3 and a quarter, and 501 was 1 and 3/4: Does Durkon's saying "man and wife" count as part of 500, where it is online, or part of 501, where it'll be in the book?


On a completely unrelated note, we probably already hashed this out, but I don't remember: Does Nale disguised as Elan (and vice-versa, of course) count as a representation of Elan, and therefore an appearance for both of them?

[Porthos]

I'm for it because as I understand it, you are using that criteria for the bonus materials in the books. :smallsmile:

For instance, the Xykon/Silver Dragon fight takes place over three pages. But it is known in the book as Comic #198a. Might as well be consistent. :smallsmile:

As for fractionals, I say count them as 1 appearance. Unless The Giant starts combining them in the books (i.e a 1/3rds comic and a 2/3rds comic on the same page). If that happens, we just adjust the count downwards by one. Since we have to make adjustments when the books come out anyway, I don't see it as that big of a deal to double-check how the fractionals are doing. And, FWIW, the only "half strip" that has been collected so far (#50) has been on it's own page, so the people in that half of the strip would be bumped up by one. :smallsmile:

Also, doing it this way would align the strips with the how you count the appearances in Origins and Start of Darkness. And those are full of "continuation scenes".

Yes, I am all about the consistency. :smallbiggrin:

[Wrecan]

On a completely unrelated note, we probably already hashed this out, but I don't remember: Does Nale disguised as Elan (and vice-versa, of course) count as a representation of Elan, and therefore an appearance for both of them?
Yes it does

[AlisdairM]

I''d hate to put all that research to waste :)

Sounds like a good idea to me, with the 'extra total in blue' version.
I don't think I'd like to see the numbers combined, just as the bonus material does not combine. If that were the choice, I'd probably so 'no' instead.

[Yendor]

Kubota's ally gets a name!

509: Daimyo Kubota, Qarr, Therkla

Oh, and in Other Interesting Alterations you need to update "Roy's brother as mortal" with his name.

[Sc00by]

A questions for the group. We don't count multiple appearances in one strip as multiple appearances of one character, but should we somehow note appearances in multiple-strips? Starting with Comic 120, and then in 136, 200 (a quadruple-strip), 250, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277 (a triple), 282, 284, 285, 290, 298, 300, 311, 316, 331, 337, 352, 361, 367, 373, 382, 387 (a triple), 388, 389, 392 (a triple), 393 (a triple), 399, 400, 406 (a triple), 408, 410 (a triple), 413, 420, 421, 422, 424, 426, 428 (a triple), 429, 430, 435, 439, 442 (a triple), 448, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 458, 459, 460, 463, 467, 468, 469, 470, 473, 474, 477 (a triple), 478, 483, 484 (a triple), 485, 490, 498, 499, 500 (a quadruple), and 501 the Giant would occasionally give us double-, triple- or even quadruple-strips, often to make up for publishing delays.

Maybe we count those appearances twice, or maybe we mark it in blue, like we mark appearances in bonus materials in red.

If we were to count it, the following characters would get additional appearances:

Roy +32
Haley +27
Elan +27
Belkar +21
Hinjo +16
Durkon +13
Miko +12
Vaarsuvius +9
Xykon +9
Thog +8
Nale +6
Redcloak +5
Creature in the Darkness +4
Demon Roaches +4
Eugene Greenhilt +4
Shojo +4
Soon Kim +4
Zombie Dragon +4
Celia +3
Daigo D. +3
Julio Scoundrel +3
Kazumi Kato +3
O-Chul +3
A mess of Sapphire Guardsmen +2
Dorukan +2
Eyepatched Cliffport Gaoler +2
Girard Draketooth +2
Grand Larcenist +2
Hobgoblin General +2
Horace Greenhilt +2
Julia Greenhilt +2
Lien +2
Sangwaan +2
Serini Toormuck +2
Windstriker +2
Argent +1
Azure City Blacksmith +1
Azure City High Priest +1
Belkar's Left Shoulder Devil +1
Belkar's Right Shoulder Devil +1
Blue Ninja (dark) +1
Blue Ninja (light) +1
Bureaucratic Deva +1
Captain Axe +1
Chief +1
Committed Cliffport Gaoler +1
Dragon +1
Fiendish Mammoth +1
Gay Cliffport Gaoler +1
General Chang +1
Hades +1
Hobgoblin cleric +1
Huecuva +1
Kraagor +1
Lirian +1
Marduk +1
Mr. Dragon +1
Mr. Scruffy +1
Odin +1
Oracle +1
Pole-arm Emporium cat +1
Pole-arm Emporium clerk +1
Redcloak's Bodyguard +1
Rookie +1
Sabine +1
Sara Greenhilt +1
Skullsy +1
Soldier at the wall +1
Thor +1
Titanium Elementals +1
Zeus +1

Thoughts?

I've been reading this (and the geekery thread) for a long time, dispite not posting in either much (or at all), but I think that this idea is a good one.

1 appearance per comic page rather than per comic reference (strip number) sounds like a sensible solution to me. Just to be clear; a 4 page comic with Roy in every page counts as +4 to Roy's count? If not then I think that what you are doing is flawed. You've not made it clear how you'll deal with triple and quadruple strips is all I think I mean :wink:

[Wrecan]

Just to be clear; a 4 page comic with Roy in every page counts as +4 to Roy's count?
No, it would be a (+3), assuming Roy appears on each of the four pages.

The first appearance of any multi-page comic goes onto the character's regular count. It's only the appearances on subsequent pages in the same comic that go into the parenthetical.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 509
Daimyo Kubota, Qarr, Therkla

[Wrecan]

Blue markers added on!

[Sc00by]

No, it would be a (+3), assuming Roy appears on each of the four pages.

Yes thats what I meant. +1 regular and then +3 blue = +4.

Good to see it implemented!

[Chronos]

510: Eugene Greenhilt, Redcloak (in banners), Roy Greenhilt, Roy's Archon.

I don't suppose anyone can make out red hair on any of those specks? Or see a trace of scribbling behind the rift?

[Wrecan]

Updated through 510
Eugene Greenhilt, Redcloak (on banner), Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Roy's Archon


Although this is a double-strip, there are no multiple appearances.

[Yendor]

The ninjas from 453 are missing their cause of death; the light blue one was killed by the huecuva and the dark blue one by Durkon.

[Wrecan]

Good point, Yendor. Though the huecuva is unnamed, so that remains a "U".

[Chronos]

511: Haley, Slavedriving Hobgoblin Priest, Experienced Hobgoblin Slavedriver, Rookie Hobgoblin Slavedriver

[David Argall]

The three lesser members of the Resistance/Azure City Underground/Sapphire Liberation Front/rebel Alliance/name notwithstanding probably are more likely to appear again than the slavedrivers. Of course, that may well be able to wait for a strip or two.

[Chronos]

The three lesser members of the Resistance/Azure City Underground/Sapphire Liberation Front/rebel Alliance/name notwithstanding probably are more likely to appear again than the slavedrivers.Probably, but the guerrillas only appeared on one page of the strip. The slavers appeared in both, so they get blue listings, as per the recent decision.

[Fawkes]

Interesting alteration!

Haley (Resistance)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 511
Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Priest (+1), Hobgoblin Granary Rookie (+1), Hobgoblin Granary Whip (+1)

[RMS Oceanic]

I know they're not going up until we see them again, but I think the names of the resistance members should be:

Bald Resistance Member
Mustached Resistance Member
Female Resistance Member

Any objections?

[Wrecan]

I think I might just call them "resisters". (Bald resister, female resister, mustachioed resister...) :)

[RMS Oceanic]

I dunno, resisters make them sound like electronic components. I know they're spelt resistOrs, but the point still stands.

[Wrecan]

In all seriousness, given the title of Comic 511, we should probably refer to them as "Guerrillas" -- Bald Guerrilla, Mustachioed Guerrilla and Female Guerrilla.

[RMS Oceanic]

Comic 512: Niu (Female Guerilla), Isamu (Bald Guerilla), Thanh (Mustachiod Guerilla), Haley, Hobgoblin Spellcaster.

[Yendor]

They got names. So much for that, then.

512: Haley Starshine (resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Cleric, Isamu, Niu, Redcloak (on banners), Thanh.

[SoD]

They got names. So much for that, then.

512: Haley Starshine (resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Cleric, Isamu, Niu, Redcloak (on banners), Thanh.

Should he be there as Browncloak? If some random guy is there as Schlubbo No-namezaki then shouldn't Browncloak count?

[Fawkes]

There's more than one browncloak, though. Note that she calls him "the browncloak."

[Hart av Srednak]

Redcloak (on banners)

Is it confirmed that it's Redcloak. I thought it was generic (hob)goblin for (hog/-)goblin rule.

EDIT: I feel so stupid. I finally got to re-check the comic and here he was color-coded for my stupidity

[Wrecan]

Updated through 512
Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Browncloak, Isamu, Niu, Redcloak (on banner), Thanh

[Chronos]

Also note that Browncloak isn't a cleric, after all. Haley calls him "wizard", and Dancing Lights isn't on the cleric spell list. Which doesn't matter, if we're just going to call him "Browncloak", but I just feel like being pedantic.

[Chronos]

513: BrowncloakH, Elderly Slave, Haley, Isamu, Niu, Tsukiko

[Wrecan]

Updated through 513
Elderly Slave, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary BrowncloakH, Isamu, Niu, Tsukiko

[Porthos]

514: Belkar, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Browncloak, Isamu, Thanh, Tsukiko

[Wrecan]

Updated through 514
Belkar Bitterleaf, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Hobgoblin Granary Browncloak, Isamu, Thanh, Tsukiko

[Wrecan]

Updated through 515
Belkar Bitterleaf, Pineappled WightB, Point-Granting WightB, Thanh, Third WightB

[Yendor]

516: Belkar, Thanh, Tsukiko. The wights are the second and third ones Belkar killed, plus the whistle-blower in 514.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 516
Belkar Bitterleaf, Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight

The dead-dead wights are interchangeable at this point, so I can't credit their appearance.

[RMS Oceanic]

#Comic 517: Tsukiko, Thanh (Dominated), Turned Wight, Haley, Isamu

[Wrecan]

Updated through 517
Haley (in resistance garb), Isamu, Tsukiko, Thanh (Dominated), Turned Wight

[Wrecan]

Updated through 518
Haley (in resistance garb), Tsukiko, Thanh (Dominated), Turned Wight

[Vargtass]

Does Haley get an additional blue appearance for being knocked onto the next page?

I imagine this installment to go on the left hand side in the book, with an almost completely blank right hand side...

[RMS Oceanic]

I'd wait 'til #519 before making that judgement.

[Wrecan]

Agreed. I'm curious to see how The Giant puts 518 in a book compilation.

[Vargtass]

519: Haley (in resistance garb), Thanh (dominated), Isamu (as wight), Tsukiko, turned wight.

For the previous discussion on how to solve the 518 conundrum; the Giant will need one full blank page to fit Haley being knocked out of the picture, seeing that this installment did not include a cut-out to allow for her incursion.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 519
Haley (in resistance garb), Isamuu (as wight), Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight

[Lira]

Characters with seven appearances:
Dark Bald Bandit (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0158.html), Dark Cop (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26675), Death Knight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/../comics/oots0426.html)R, Grand Larcenist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/../comics/oots0419.html)B (+2), Leeky's Trees (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0343.html)D, Second Level Bandit (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/../comics/oots0151.html), "Zit Boy (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0093.html)"E.
Umm, why does the link to "Dark Cop" lead to this topic? Shouldn't it link to his first appearance in the comic?

[Yendor]

520: Belkar, Haley (resistance garb), Mr. Scruffy (hurray!), Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight

The one Belkar stabbed isn't Isamu (who doesn't appear to be in frame) or Boots, so it's one of the other two.

By the way, 518 is a right-hand page by my count, assuming 485 starts on the right.

[Wrecan]

Umm, why does the link to "Dark Cop" lead to this topic? Shouldn't it link to his first appearance in the comic?

That's odd. I'll fix that.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 520
Belkar, Haley (in resistance garb), Mr. Scruffy, Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight

Thanks, Yendor! I wouldn't have caught the Turned Wight's appearance if youd didn't point out the numbers.

[Porthos]

521: Belkar Bitterleaf, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), IsamuuB (as wight), Mr. Scruffy, Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight.

Do we have any proof that the Wight that was willing to help Tsukiko is the Turned Wight or not (i.e. by positioning or the number of dead Wights?)

EDIT: Yendor supplied the logic for including the Turned Wight in the following post. Thanks again, Yendor. :smallsmile:

[Yendor]

Yes. There were three remaining wights, plus Isamu. One was killed by Belkar in 520, and one by Haley in 521. Neither have boots, so the Turned one is the survivor.

[Porthos]

Yes. There were three remaining wights, plus Isamu. One was killed by Belkar in 520, and one by Haley in 521. Neither have boots, so the Turned one is the survivor.

I'll edit my post accordingly. I probably would have figured that out eventually, but I'm not completely awake yet (just 95% awake :smallwink:).

Thanks Yendor. :smallsmile:

[Wrecan]

Updated through 521
Belkar, Haley (in resistance garb), Isamu (as wight), Mr. Scruffy, Thanh (dominated), Tsukiko, Turned Wight

[RMS Oceanic]

Comic #522: Haley (Resistance Garb), Belkar, Mr Scruffy, Turned Wight, Tsukiko, Thanh (Dominated), Roy (Skeleton)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 522
Belkar, Haley (in resistance Garb), Mr Scruffy, Thanh, Tsukiko, Turned Wight, Roy

[Michaelart]

I think you can include Roy as a skeleton in "other interesting alterations"

[Chronos]

We came to the decision some time ago that we wouldn't bother tracking characters as corpses. I don't think that a skeleton is sufficiently different from a fresh corpse to warrant different treatment.

[Ancalagon]

What would be interesting to list:

Other Interesting Alterations: Roy (dead) as corpse/skeleton

[Wrecan]

What would be interesting to list:

Other Interesting Alterations: Roy (dead) as corpse/skeleton

I'm not keeping track of corpses in any form. Frankly, there are too many to keep track of in this comic.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 523
Belkar, Elderly Slave, Haley (in resistance garb), Mr Scruffy, Niu, Roy, Thanh

[SPoD]

Updated through 523
Belkar, Elderly Slave, Haley (in resistance garb), Mr Scruffy, Niu, Roy

Two things:

1.) Should Roy count for #523? I thought you just said that you weren't tracking corpses.

2.) You have Nale above Xykon, both tied at 67. But Xykon has many more bonus appearances. I propose that in case of a tie on the "leaderboard", the character with the most red appearances (or blue, if both black and red numbers are tied) should be listed higher. Note also that this is the way you currently have it with V and Durkon, tied at 219 main appearances but with Durkon beating V, 39 to 33, on bonus appearances. So only Nale and Xykon would need to change.

[Fawkes]

When it gets to the point of decomposition, there's a significant art change. Roy as a skeleton is definitely a different form.

[Yendor]

Dead people count. They just don't count separately in Alterations.

Are Thanh's legs visible in the last panel? It's hard to tell.

Alterations still has "Roy's brother", when it should be "Eric Greenhilt".

[TroyXavier]

Just seems to be Roy, Belkar and Mr. Scruffy.

[Yendor]

Well, you can see Thanh's legs on the cart in 522, and it looks to me like they're just visible over the top of Belkar in 523.

Also, the Elderly (ex-)slave has three appearances, but is listed as only having two.

[Wrecan]

On closer inspection, you are right on both counts!

[Sir_Norbert]

524! Haley, Belkar, Mr Scruffy, Thanh, Shojo (sort of), Redcloak (on image)

Belkar in disguise as Shojo as a new "Interesting Alteration".

[Wrecan]

Updated through 524
Belkar (+1) (as Shojo), Haley (+1) (in resistance garb), Male Resistance Cleric (+1), Mr. Scruffy (+1), Niu, Redcloak (on banner), Roy, Shojo (+1), Thanh (dominated) (+1)

[Chronos]

I'll bet Shojo is surprised to see that he has another appearance.

[Shraik]

Just to say, the OotS board game, has released information on the name of the Dwarf Assassin... 'Kaboom' Redaxe

[David Argall]

I can find "Shojo", but not Shojo in 524.

[Caedrel]

I can find "Shojo", but not Shojo in 524.

The likeness or image of a character counts as an "appearance" of that character for the purposes of the count. So Belkar disguised as Shojo counts as an additional appearance for Shojo himself.

[Wrecan]

Caedral is correct. It's also the second question in the FAQ.

[Fawkes]

I had mentioned Kaboom Redaxe before. Is there a reason you're not updating his name into the list?

[Fawkes]

Shojo needs a +1 for being on both pages.

[Yendor]

525: Eugene Greenhilt, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Roy's Archon.

[Wrecan]

I had mentioned Kaboom Redaxe before. Is there a reason you're not updating his name into the list?

We're not including info from the game.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 525
Eugene Greenhilt, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Roy's Archon

And I gave Shojo that extra blue appearance I forgot in 524.

[Yendor]

I count three blue appearances for Mr. Scruffy, in 284, 406 and 524.
Yokyok has five appearances; alive in 348, 351 and 357, and a chip bowl in 358 and 359.
Also, shouldn't Shojo get a bunch more blue appearances for narrating Crayons of Time?

EDIT: Okay, I've gone through the multipage strips and found... several... multipage appearances unaccounted for.


These charcters should have blue numbers:

The Snarl (+2): 274, 275
Two of Soon's paladins (+1): 277
The Dark Cop and Female Cop (+1): 361
The death knight and its skeletal steed (+1): 426
The paladin-turning cleric hobgoblin (+1): 459
Roy's Archon (+4): 498, 499, 500 (2)
The Bearded War Councilman (+1): 501

I have higher counts for:

Mr. Scruffy (+3): 284, 406, 524
Eye of Fear and Flame, aka Skullsy (+3): 426, 455, 469
Huecuva (+2): 426, 453
Zombie Dragon (+5): 300, 429, 430, 442 (2)
O-chul (+5): 413, 448, 475, 477 (2)
Monster in the Darkness (+5): 426, 451, 475, 477 (2)
Sabine (+2): 399, 458
Nale (+9): 337, 361, 367 (Elan), 387 (Elan, 2), 393 (2), 399, 458
Hinjo (+17): 284, 406 (2), 409 (2), 413, 420, 426, 428 (2), 453, 454, 467, 468, 473, 501
Vaarsuvius (+11): 120, 200 (3), 250, 282, 284, 316, 399, 424, 452
Durkon (+17): 120, 200 (3), 284, 316, 352, 399, 426, 428, 429, 454, 455, 467, 468, 473, 501
Belkar (+23): 120, 200 (3), 250, 316, 406 (2), 408, 409, 420, 429, 435, 439, 455, 467, 468, 469, 470, 475, 477 (2), 483, 524
Elan (+28): 120, 200 (3), 282, 284, 285, 311, 316, 367, 387, 388, 389, 392 (2), 393 (2), 399, 400, 421, 426, 429, 454, 455, 467, 468, 478, 501
Haley (+30): 120, 200 (3), 250, 284, 285, 290, 311, 316, 382, 393 (2), 399, 400, 413, 428 (2), 429, 454, 455, 467, 468, 469, 470, 475, 477 (2), 483, 524
Roy (+35): 120, 137, 200 (3), 284, 285, 290, 316, 331, 337, 406 (2), 408, 409, 413, 420, 426, 428 (2), 429, 430, 442 (2), 475, 477 (2), 483, 484, 485, 490, 498, 499, 500 (2)

I have lower counts for:

Celia (+2): 282, 316
Xykon (+8): 300, 429, 430, 442 (2), 448, 459, 484
Warden (+1): 367

I can't find any extra appearances for AC's high priest, or the dockside hobgoblin cleric. (There may, of course, still be inaccuracies in the above lists.)

[Chronos]

526:Belkar, the Flumphs, the Ghost of Lame Monsters Past, Haley (not resistance garb), Isamu, Roy (spirit).

[Yendor]

526:Belkar, the Flumphs, the Ghost of Lame Monsters Past, Haley (not resistance garb), Isamu, Roy (spirit).

...and Niu.

[Porthos]

526:Belkar, the Flumphs, the Ghost of Lame Monsters Past, Haley (not resistance garb), Isamu, Roy (spirit).

Niu is in the flashback as well. :smallsmile:

[Chronos]

No, Niu's hair is longer (almost down to her belt). That's just a Random Female Azurite Soldier, like Kazumi was.

[Yendor]

Her hair must have grown...

Besides, none of the random soldiers have black armor.

[Wolfe]

No, Niu's hair is longer (almost down to her belt). That's just a Random Female Azurite Soldier, like Kazumi was.

I also think that's Niu. Comparing 526 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0526.html) and 513 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0513.html), it looks like a few weeks worth of growth in the same hairstyle.

[Chronos]

Hm, now that I check on it, Kazumi's hair is about the same length, but in a different style (cut on a straight line at the bottom). But with the minimalist art style, I wouldn't expect the Giant to go changing an important identifying characteristic like hair, on what's supposed to be the same character. So it could be a new character. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see any other evidence we could directly connect to that comic.

[Wrecan]

I agree with the others. Until I see another female resistance member in black armor, I think that's Niu.


Updated through 526
Belkar, Flumphs, Ghost of Lame Monsters Past, Haley Starshine, Isamu, Niu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit)

[Chronos]

An easy one, today.

517: Haley (resistance garb), Roy (spirit)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 527
Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Roy Greenhilt (as spirit)

[katyland]

How did you get a Mr. Scruffy smilie?

[Yendor]

How did you get a Mr. Scruffy smilie?

This thread.

Wrecan: no comment on my big list of corrections a few posts back?

[Wrecan]

Sorry, Yendor! I must have missed that post. I'll incorporate those changes right now. Thanks!

[katyland]

Thanks, but what is the code for the Mr. Scruffy smilie? I can't seem to transfer it over just from that other post.

[Wrecan]

Thanks, but what is the code for the Mr. Scruffy smilie? I can't seem to transfer it over just from that other post.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1204323/mr_scruffy.jpg

[katyland]

Thanks for your help!

[Raging_Pacifist]

That smiley is awesome.

[Chronos]

528: Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Niu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit)


And presumably, soon to be Celia.

[Yendor]

528: Haley (in resistance garb), Niu, Roy (as spirit).

Roy's Archon should be a +4.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 528
Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Niu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit)

Thanks Yedor for the blue update!

[Wrecan]

Updated through 529
Celia (in pajamas), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Roy Greenhilt (as spirit)

[greecetrap]

529: Roy Greenhilt (as a spirit), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Celia (in pajamas. I dunno if that counts. :smalltongue: )

EDIT: nevermind. xD

[RMS Oceanic]

530: Roy (Spirit), Haley, Belkar, Celia

[Rockphed]

And they all need a (+1) added to their blue subtotal. They all appeared on both pages.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 530
Belkar Bitterleaf (+1), Celia (in pajamas) (+1), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Roy Greenhilt (as spirit) (+1)

[Yendor]

531: Celia (not in pajamas anymore) (+1) Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Isamu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit) (+1)

Oh, and I missed a couple of Elan's multipage appearances, one in 361 and a second in 387, so he should have (+30) in all.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 531
Celia (+1), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Isamu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit) (+1)

[Yendor]

532: Bird at Air Sigil, Celia (+1), Dorukan (+1), Earth Sigil Guardian, Fire Sigil Guardian, Haley Starshine (+1), Lirian, Roy Greehilt (as spirit) (+1), Xykon

The Earth guardian appeared in 51 (killed by Thog), and the Fire guardian is presumably the one killed off-panel (by Nale) in 52.

[Porthos]

532: Bird at Air Sigil, Celia (+1), Dorukan (+1), Earth Sigil Guardian, Fire Sigil Guardian, Haley Starshine (+1), Lirian, Roy Greehilt (as spirit) (+1), Xykon

The Earth guardian appeared in 51 (killed by Thog), and the Fire guardian is presumably the one killed off-panel (by Nale) in 52.

Since we hear her in Comic #52 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0052.html), this counts as her second appearance as well. :smallsmile:

[Porthos]

532: Bird at Air Sigil, Celia (+1), Dorukan (+1), Earth Sigil Guardian, Fire Sigil Guardian, Haley Starshine (+1), Lirian, Roy Greehilt (as spirit) (+1), Xykon

The Earth guardian appeared in 51 (killed by Thog), and the Fire guardian is presumably the one killed off-panel (by Nale) in 52.

As was noted elsewhere on the board, the Bird at the Air Sigil is almost undoubtedly the one that we hear getting killed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0053.html) by Sabine in Comic #53. Thus this is it's second appearance and it also needs a Killed by Sabine tag. :smallsmile:

[Yendor]

As was noted elsewhere on the board, the Bird at the Air Sigil is almost undoubtedly the one that we hear getting killed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0053.html) by Sabine in Comic #53. Thus this is it's second appearance and it also needs a Killed by Sabine tag. :smallsmile:
Third, actually. It first appeared in 47. And it's listed as Haley having killed it.

[Porthos]

Third, actually. It first appeared in 47. And it's listed as Haley having killed it.

Huh, you're right. :smallredface: But are we sure that Haley killed it instead of Sabine? I'm mostly going by the "nice lack of shooting" line from Sabine. Although we do see a Haley arrow flying by in the distance....

Perhaps Sabine was commenting on Haley missing??? Eh, you're probably right on that score. But it does seem a little sketchy to me.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 532
Bird at Air Sigil, Celia (+1), Dorukan (+1), Earth Sigil Guardian, Fire Sigil Guardian, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Lirian, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit) (+1), Xykon

[Yendor]

533: Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia (+1), Eyepatched Resistance Leader (+1), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Samurai Resistance Leader (+1), Thanh (+1)

[Wrecan]

Quick fingers, Yendor!


Updated through 533
Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia (+1), Eyepatched Resistance Leader (+1), Haley Starshine (in resistance garb) (+1), Knot-topped Resistance Leader (+1), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Thanh (+1)

[Porthos]

534: Niu, Roy (as spirit), Roy's Archon, Shi Bao (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0534.html), Wu Zaho (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0534.html), Madame Xanadu (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0534.html), Rover (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0534.html)U

[Wrecan]

Updated through 534
Madame Xanadu, Niu, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), RoverU, Roy's Archon, Shi Bao, Wu Zhao

[Vargtass]

Yohoo!

535: Thanh, Niu, King of Nowhere, Dwarf Assassin, Shadowdancer, Belkar, Mr Scruffy...

[Chronos]

535: Belkar Bitterleaf, Haley Starshine (resistance garb), "Kaboom" Redaxe, the King of Nowhere, Mr. Scruffy, Niu, the shadowdancer, Thanh.

Edit: Isn't Spot a class skill for ninjas? At least I beat Haley's Hide check.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 535
Belkar Bitterleaf, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Dwarf Assassin, King of Nowhere, Mr. Scruffy, Niu, Shadowdancer, Thanh

Has the King of Nowhere been in the comic before? I think this is the first time.

[Vargtass]

The King of Nowhere has not appeared before, but he was named in the Abbott and Costello homage, where Roy was mistaken for him. Thus, he is a named character with one appearance.

[Wrecan]

I don't think that's his name. That's just a title. The King of Somewhere only go listed with his second appearance.

[Yendor]

536: Gary GygaxA, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Roy's Archon
:smallfrown:

[Chronos]

I don't think that's his name. That's just a title. The King of Somewhere only go listed with his second appearance.Traditionally, though, feudal lords (including kings) can be referred to by the name of their realm. If Baron Pineapple were to show up, for instance, we'd probably accept that as his name, and (assuming Stickland uses the same conventions), that's no different from referring to that guy as the King of Nowhere.

Heck, Daimyo Kubota probably isn't his name, either. It just means that he's the head of the House Kubota.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 536
E. Gary GygaxA, Roy Greenhilt (as spirit), Roy's Archon

Thank you, Giant, for that tribute.

[Wrecan]

Traditionally, though, feudal lords (including kings) can be referred to by the name of their realm. If Baron Pineapple were to show up, for instance, we'd probably accept that as his name, and (assuming Stickland uses the same conventions), that's no different from referring to that guy as the King of Nowhere.

Heck, Daimyo Kubota probably isn't his name, either. It just means that he's the head of the House Kubota.

Well, I'm open to having my mind changed. Any other opinions out there on the King of Nowhere?

[Porthos]

Well, I'm open to having my mind changed. Any other opinions out there on the King of Nowhere?

I'm in favor of bringing in the King of Nowhere. He's distinct and not a No Name Nobody, which are the two main reasons to not include Unnamed People.

[Dalenthas]

I'll vote for King of Nowhere to be added too.

[Fawkes]

I vote to add him.

[Wrecan]

Okay. I'll put him in as soon as the server begins behaving.

[Chronos]

537: Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Mr. Scruffy

Roy's in the cart, of course, but I don't think we can see any of him in this one.

And shouldn't we be tracking (borrowed clothes) as an alteration for Celia? Though it looks like it'll soon become her default.

[Yendor]

Roy's in the cart, of course, but I don't think we can see any of him in this one.
Isn't Mr. Scruffy sitting on his boots?

[Porthos]

Isn't Mr. Scruffy sitting on his boots?

<Ed McMahon>
You are correct, sir!
</Ed McMahon>

Whatever Mr. Scruffy is sitting on sure looks to be in the (more or less) same position as the boots which we can see in this comic. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0527.html)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 537
Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb, with X'd Eyes), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt

[Chronos]

Isn't Mr. Scruffy sitting on his boots?I had considered that, but decided it was probably just part of the cart. I didn't go back to compare to other comics, though, so I'll take your word on it.

[Yendor]

538: Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia (as fiend), Haley Starshine, Mr. Scummy Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt

[Hart av Srednak]

How about Belkar and Haley (disguised as corpses)?

[Vargtass]

Belkar is also disguised as undead...

[Wrecan]

Updated through 538
Belkar Bitterleaf (with X'd eyes), Celia (as Darkblood Gloomgloom), Haley Starshine (with X'd eyes), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt

[Porthos]

539: Roy Greenhilt, Mr. Scruffy, Celia, Haley Starshine, Belkar Bitterleaf, Solt Lorkyurg (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0539.html)B.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 539
Belkar Bitterleaf, Celia, Fox News, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt, Solt LorkyurgB

And I have a feeling that donkey is going to be a character soon enough.

[Dalenthas]

I don't think we should count 539 as an appearance for Roy, as though we 'know' his corpse is in the cart, we don't see enough of it to confirm that. We see some sheets and the tip of his sword. Same for 538 really.

[Wrecan]

Those are the tips of Roy's boots behind Scruffy. That's good enough for me.

[Glorfindel]

#540: Haley (in Resistance garb), Belkar, Celia

[Vargtass]

Also: Donkey!

[Wrecan]

Updated through 540
Celia, Haley Starshine (in resistance garb), Belkar Bitterleaf, Solt's Donkey

[Yendor]

Back to Team Evil!

541: Demon Roaches, Monster in the Darkness, O-chul, Tsukiko, Turned Wight, Xykon

O-chul is apparently no longer paralyzed. (Or maybe paralyzed in a different position. We'll have to wait and see.)

[SPoD]

Should "demon roach with gambling visor" be a separate listing? This is his second appearance.

[Yendor]

Where was the first? I can't recall it.

And now that I look, one is dressed as the Monopoly guy.

EDIT: Never mind, found him (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0369.html).

[Wrecan]

Updated through 541
Creature in the Darkness, Demon-Roach Bookie, Demon-Roaches, O-chul, Tsukiko, Turned Wight, Xykon

[Wrecan]

Announcement: This was a milestone strip as Xykon has reclaimed from Miko the title of Most Frequently Appearing Antagonist!

[Chronos]

542: Acid-Breathing Shark+1, Demon roaches, Gambling Hobgoblin Officer, O-Chul+1, O-Chul-Dangling Hobgoblin 1, O-Chul-Dangling Hobgoblin 2someone, Xykon

I'm not sure whether O-Chul-Dangling Hobgoblin 2's death should be credited to O-Chul or to the shark.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 542
Acidborn Shark (+1), Dead Shark Tank HobgoblinO-U, Demon-roaches, Gambling Hobgoblin, O-Chul (+1), Surviving Shark Tank Hobgoblin, Xykon

I credit the death jointly to O-Chul and the unnamed shark.

[Fawkes]

If you look closely, the wight in 541 is wearing boots. Given the last panel of 516 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html) and the first panel of 517 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0517.html), I think we've seen him before.

Also, I propose we name him Boots.

[Chronos]

Yes, he's acknowledged as the same wight. Currently, he's labeled as "turned wight", since he's the one that Thanh turned.


...O-Chul (who got stuck with the Y footnote signifier because all the other letter in his name were taken)Personally, I would have re-assigned "O" to him. I think we only have one use of the "Killed by the Order of the Stick" footnote (the BBQ sauce trap monsters), and we could just replace that by "BV" for Belkar and Vaarsuvius (who seemed to do most of the work in that fight).

And whatever we use for O-Chul's kills, we might also add a "U" to that hob's footnote, by analogy with Yokyok. O-Chul caused the hob to be killed by the shark, same as Belkar caused Yokyok to be killed by the inn patrons.

[Yendor]

While we're at it, might as well move the lawyers to J for Jones and let Lien have L.

[Wrecan]

Yes, he's acknowledged as the same wight. Currently, he's labeled as "turned wight", since he's the one that Thanh turned.
I'll change him to Booted Wight to make it more clear/


Personally, I would have re-assigned "O" to him. I think we only have one use of the "Killed by the Order of the Stick" footnote (the BBQ sauce trap monsters), and we could just replace that by "BV" for Belkar and Vaarsuvius (who seemed to do most of the work in that fight).
Link (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0099.html). Seems to me they all contributed (except perhaps Haley). I'll change it to B-D-E-R-V. and give O-Chul the O. We're running out of letters anyway.

I have also changed the lawyers' footnote indicator to "J" for "Jones & Rodriguez" so I can give Lien the "L" she deseres, rather than the obscure P. Now if only Tsukiko didn't need a "Z"


And whatever we use for O-Chul's kills, we might also add a "U" to that hob's footnote, by analogy with Yokyok.
Good point.

[Yendor]

The gambler gets a name. Hope he doesn't get to kill anyone, or the lawyers will end up at P for Phil.

543: Creature in the Darkness (+1), Demon Roaches (+1), Demon Roach Bookie, Jirix (+1), O-chul (+1), Redcloak (+1), Tsukiko (+1), Xykon (+1)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 543
Creature in the Darkness (+1), Demon-Roaches (+1), Demon-Roach Bookie, Jirix (+1), O-chul (+1), Redcloak (+1), Tsukiko (+1), Xykon (+1)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 544
O-chul, Redcloak

Miestone strip. O-Chul has surpassed Eugene and Redcloak surpasses Miko!

[Chronos]

Are those World-strands or Snarl-strands we're seeing around the rift? This is the first really good view we've had of it.

[Wrecan]

I think that is not the Snarl. Otherwise, people would be dying. Actually, I'm surprised the Snarl hasn't reached through that gaping hole and snatched a few hobgoblins.

[Yendor]

545: O-chul, Redcloak

Confirmation from Reddy that the Snarl hasn't appeared since the rift opened.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 545
Hobgoblin Experimenters, Human Experiments, O-chul, Redcloak

[Chronos]

Also the Rift Tower Hostages (who may need to be split up into two groups) and Rift Tower Captors. They weren't individually recognizable in the previous comic, but they were identifiable as hobgoblins and humans, and they're in the same place.

[Wrecan]

Good point!

[Porthos]

546: Blue Interrogator (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0546.html), Jirix, O-Chul, Redcloak.

I'd consider adding the Lampshade Hanging Hobgoblin coz it's just too funny not to. But I know the rules, so I'll leave it up to Wrecan. :smallsmile:

[Chronos]

The blue doesn't get listed yet, since this is his first appearance, and he's not given a name.

[Porthos]

The blue doesn't get listed yet, since this is his first appearance, and he's not given a name.

We've listed Unique Looking People before tho, even if they are unnamed. The whole point of not including unnamed people is to not try to differentiate the Nameless Mooks.

Now this is Wrecan's call of course, but he looks Unique enough to me, which is why I listed him. But no biggie if he isn't included. :smallsmile:

[Wrecan]

We've listed Unique Looking People before tho, even if they are unnamed. The whole point of not including unnamed people is to not try to differentiate the Nameless Mooks.

Now this is Wrecan's call of course, but he looks Unique enough to me, which is why I listed him. But no biggie if he isn't included. :smallsmile:

No, we list people who are given a name, even if that name is base don their physical description. We don't list people who look unique. For all we know, that blue skin is just some sort of psionic race, making this guy far from unique.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 546
Jirix, O-chul, Redcloak

[Chronos]

For all we know, that blue skin is just some sort of psionic race, making this guy far from unique.Got it in one (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/blue.htm). The picture is even carrying the same funky gnarled crystal staff.

[RMS Oceanic]

#547: O-Chul, Redcloak, The Azure City Fourteen (My personal name for those threatened with Snarldom)

[Wrecan]

Updated through 547
Hobgoblin Experimenters, Human Experiments, O-chul, Redcloak

[Wrecan]

Updated through 548
Demon-Roaches, Jirix, Redcloak, Tsukiko, Xykon

[Tass]

You forgot to say "milestone: Redcloack passes Xykon"

but I guess that happens all the time.

If only we had saved the data of apearances up to strip n. Then one could make some nice graphs.

[Wrecan]

Than milestone got passed two stips ago.

Today's milestone?

Tsukiko has broken from the rest of the pack and is headed straight for a spot in the top 20... likely to depose Eugene Greenhilt!

[TroyXavier]

For a girl who looked like she might bite it early on, that's quite impressive. Go my favorite necromancer girl.:smallbiggrin:

[Ghastly Epigram]

I have a question regarding the compilation bonus material. Nothing too spoiler-y though I hope (Not sure what the policy is in this thread).

See, it says in the FAQ that you judge it by the page. But at least one strip in No Cure is clearly marked as being a multiple page strip rather than several separate ones. So would that give +1 and +2 for the characters involved, or just +3? If the latter, how come?

[Wrecan]

Character counts in bonus material are based on the physical page, not whether something is "designated" a multi-strip page. If multiple strips ar squeezed onto one page or what have you, it's one appearance.

[Ghastly Epigram]

My phrasing conveyed my question a bit poorly, but I get it now anyway. Much obliged. Keep up the good work! :smallsmile:

[Wrecan]

Updated through 549
Creature in the Darkness, O-Chul

[Vargtass]

... there's also a Grue hiding in O'Chuls dinner fare... :smallbiggrin: ...



... sorry :smallwink:

[Porthos]

550: The Creature In The Darkness, O-Chul

[Wrecan]

Updated through 550
Creature in the Darkness, O-Chul

[Chronos]

Can we start calling him Monster-San instead? It's still not a name, but it's at least a little closer to being one.

[TroyXavier]

Monster-San sounds good to me.

[Yendor]

And we're back to...

551: Daigo, Durkon Thundershield, Elan

No sign of Therkla, Threlka, or Thelkar.

[Chronos]

551: Daigo D, Durkon Thundershield, Elan


Plus a whole bunch of half-orcs, some of whom might re-appear.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 551
Daigo D, Durkon Thundershield, Elan

[Yendor]

552: Crong, Daigo, Durkon, Elan, Gok, Mungu, Other Pursuing Orcs

[Chronos]

Are we going to try to list the pursuing orcs individually? I'm having Sapphire Guard flashbacks, here.

[Porthos]

Are we going to try to list the pursuing orcs individually? I'm having Sapphire Guard flashbacks, here.

Only seven of the orcs are in today's strip and #551. Of those, three are already named. So we only have to describe four of them, which doesn't seem that hard if you ask me. :smallsmile:

Proposed Names:
Spear Wielding Purple Tuniced Female Orc (Upper Left hand corner of Strip #552)
Long Handled Axe Wielding Orc (Middle Left of Strip #552 - I'm not sure if that is an Axe or some other similar weapon - he's the one in a vest)
Green Bearded Scowling Orc (Lower left hand corner of Strip #552)
Long Grey Bearded Scarred Orc (Lower center of Strip #552 - he's the one wielding two axes).


Course, I'm sure someone can come up with better names. :smallsmile:

[Wrecan]

Yes, let's name the orc horde members. They are distinctive enough to warrant it. Especially, since these orcs are undoubtedly coming back for the rescue of the "hostage". But to help us, let's use the following key:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/Wrecan/Orchorde.jpg
Sorcerous orc
(insufficiently distinctive)
Axe-wielding t-shirted orc
Southpaw blue-chevroned orc
Short-heaired female orc
gok
Battleaxe wielding scarred orc
Southpaw purple-chevroned orc
Short-haired longspear-wielding orc
Red-skirted female orc
X-scarred orc
Red-shirted orc
Tan-loinclothed orc
mungu
crong
Lilac-skirted orc
Bare-shirted orc
Goateed orc
Green-shirted orc
Male archer orc
Necklaced female orc
Balding orc
Long-bearded scarred orc

Edit: This also shows Daigo's appalling innumeracy. He estimated there were 20 orcs chasing them. In fact, there are at least 28!

[Wrecan]

Updated through 552
Balding Orc, crong, Daigo D, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, gok, Long-bearded Scarred Orc, mungu, Short-haired Female Orc, Tan-loinclothed Orc

[Yendor]

Edit: This also shows Daigo's appalling innumeracy. He estimated there were 20 orcs chasing them. In fact, there are at least 28!
He said the orcs outnumbered them 20-to-1, which would mean there were 60 of them to their three.

[Wrecan]

He said the orcs outnumbered them 20-to-1, which would mean there were 60 of them to their three.

In which case, when he said the orcs now outnumber them 40-to-1, it means that Elan created an illusion of 60 additional orcs! Of course, we only see six orcs generated by the illusion. Daigo must have dropped a decimal. He needs to brush up on his math. :)

[Yendor]

553: Banjo, crong, Daigo, Durkon, Elan, Lien, mungu, Vaarsuvius

Don't recognize the orcs in panel 5.

[SPoD]

And Orc Chief?

[Chronos]

And Orc Chief?Unnamed with only one appearance. He doesn't get listed yet.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 553
Banjo, crong, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, mungu, Vaarsuvius

[Yendor]

Now we can list him.

554: Banjo, Daigo, Durkon, Elan, Lien, Orc Chief, Vaarsuvius, Vaarsuvius' Birds

[Wrecan]

Updated through 554
Banjo, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, Orc Leader, Vaarsuvius, Vaarsuvius' Birds


Thanks, Yendor! I almost missed "Vaarsuvius' Birds"

[Yendor]

And conveniently, the orc chief and shaman get names.

555: chief grukgruk, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Therkla.

[Porthos]

Interesting point made in the Discussion Thread.

Is Therkla's Dad (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0555.html) the same character as the prisoner who tried to assassinate Hinjo (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0435.html)?

Sure looks like it. And the age difference shouldn't be that bad (15-18 years at most).

Any thoughts?

[Yendor]

Huh. They do look the same. And I guess it would explain how Kubota got a hold of him so quickly.

[Chronos]

If so, he has rather broad tastes in women, since he found both Therkla's mother and Haley cute. And we'd have to assume something happened to Therkla's mom, since the current comic implies that they had a happy marriage.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 555
chief grukgruk, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Therkla (and as young girl)

[Wrecan]

I think I need a little more evidence that her dad is the grand larcenist assassin.

[Wrecan]

Heck one or the other could also be the Shadowdancer of my avatar!

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1/Wrecan/TherklasDad-1.jpg

[Chronos]

Well, we do know at least that the Grand Larcenist isn't the Shadowdancer, unless he somehow managed to make it to the Middle of Nowhere and back between being released from prison and being karmaed by Belkar.

[Wrecan]

How so?

The timeline is:
Therkla's dad raises Therkla. She studies to be a ninja and graduates 1st in her class. Therkla gets job as ninja for Kubota.
Some years later, Miko and OOTS register at the Weary Travelers Inn and Tavern. There, they fight the Shadowdancer, who gets away.
Miko drags OOTS to Azure City in chains and tosses Belkar in jail.
Over the next few weeks (or months) OOTS languishes in jail
OOTS is tried in a mock trial.
OOTS goes to the Sunken Valley to visit the Oracle
OOTS teleports to Cliffport to rescue Julia
OOTS has to walk back to Azure City because Wizard Guy drunk-ports.
OOTS beats up on Linear Guild
Shojo dies, Miko falls, and Hinjo plans for war.
Hinjo offers Belkar and Grand Larcenist a reprieve.
All that is required is that the Shadowdancer leave the Weary Travelers Inn and Tavern and head home to Azure City where he gets arrested for Grand Larceny and is imprisoned in a shadowless cell (which isn't hard in a world with almost no shadows) until Hinjo makes him an offer he could (but didn't) refuse.

Not that I think Therkla's dad is the Grand Larcenist is the Shadowdancer. Only that they could be.

[Nibelung]

The Larcenist and the Shadowdancer cant be the same. Remeber that Thanh was in Nowhere while the war was being battled, and the Shadowdancer was there too.

[Wrecan]

The Larcenist and the Shadowdancer cant be the same. Remeber that Thanh was in Nowhere while the war was being battled, and the Shadowdancer was there too.

Why is Thanh important? Thanh has never been in the same strip as Therkla's dad, the Shadowdancer or the Larcenist.

And we have no idea where the Shadowdancer has been since his Shadow Jump (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0242.html) in strip 242. What makes you think he's still in the middle of Nowhere when we first meet the Grand Larcenist (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0419.html) in strip 419? Months had passed. More than enough time for the shadowdancer to go to Azure City and get himself arrested. Did I miss an appearance of the Shadowdancer after 242? Did the larcenist show up before 419?

[David Argall]

Why is Thanh important? Thanh has never been in the same strip as Therkla's dad, the Shadowdancer or the Larcenist.

See 535, which features Thanh and Shadowdancer, and is described as during the attack on the city.

[Wrecan]

Aha! I had totally forgotten about that strip. You're absolutely right. The shadowdancer and grand larcenist must be two different people. Therkla's dad could be either of them or, more likely, neither.

[Chronos]

I finally got a copy of On the Origin of PCs, and noticed a mistake in the "characters appearing only in bonus material" section. Fido/Rover is listed as having only one appearance (page 6), but he's/they're partly visible in the first panel of page 7, as well.

[Wrecan]

Good catch! Fiixed!

[Chronos]

556: Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, chief grukgruk

[Wrecan]

Updated through 556
chief grukgruk, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan

[Chronos]

557: Banjo, chief grukgruk, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Therkla

[Wrecan]

Updated through 557
Banjo, chief grukgruk, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Grey-Shirted Orc, Lien, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Therkla

[Nibelung]

558: Banjo, chief grukgruk, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, shaman vurkle, Therkla

[Wrecan]

Updated through 558
Banjo, chief grukgruk, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Grey-Shirted Orc, Lien, shaman vurkle, Therkla

[Yendor]

559: Banjo, chief grukgruk (charmed), crong, Daigo, Durkon, Elan, gok, Lien, Long-bearded scarred orc, mungu, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Tan-loinclothed orc, Therkla

That appears to be Balding Orc's axe in the bottom left of the last panel.

Also, a grey-armoured orc appears in 556, 557 and 558. It could be the same one each time.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 559
Balding orc, Banjo, chief grukgruk (charmed), crong, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, gok, Long-bearded scarred orc, mungu, Qarr, shaman vurkle, Tan-loinclothed orc, Therkla


That is definitely the balding orc. You can even see some of his cheek.

[Wrecan]

Yendor, I agree the grey-shirted orc in 556, 557 and 558 is the same orc. Good catch!

[Dalenthas]

#560: Elan, Durkon, Daigo, Therkla, Lien, Banjo, Odysseus, Cyclops.

[Chronos]

Which raises the question: Is this the same Cyclops as appears in Start of Darkness? That one was an S-Man, and this one is an X-Man, as clearly indicated by the letters on their belts.

[SteveMB]

Which raises the question: Is this the same Cyclops as appears in Start of Darkness? That one was an S-Man, and this one is an X-Man, as clearly indicated by the letters on their belts.

Meh. It's not like the original hasn't changed costumes over the years.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 560
Banjo, Cyclops (+1), Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, Odysseus, Therkla

I agree. That's Cyclops+1, until we learn otherwise.

[Chronos]

561: Banjo the Clown, chief grukgruk, crong, Daigo D., Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Lien, shaman vurkle

And introducing, Giggles the Clown.

[SPoD]

Going back to #560 for a minute, isn't the ninja who flies in through the window of stately Therkla Manor one of the ninjas from strip #414 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0414.html)? "Dark blue with grey sash" ninja is the top right ninja in the group of four that attack Roy.