Swordsage has more Skill point than Rogue?

[bendking]

Isn't that a bit strange? I mean, he is already better at combat, and now he has more skill points? Rogue has 8 + int (x4 at first level),
and the Swordsage has 6 + int (x6 at first level) :smallconfused:

[Khedrac]

Generally thought to be a misprint as nowhere does it state that they supersede the default rule of ×4 at first level, some argue that as it was not fixed in the errata it is intentional.
Any DM with sense will say it is ×4 regardless of what the RAW lawyers argue.

[bendking]

So.. houserule that away?

[Yora]

Yes. The x4 modifier is not a class feature but based on the standard table for class advancement. The speed at which you gain standard feats and ability score increases don't change with class either.

[DEMON]

some argue that as it was not fixed in the errata it is intentional.
Any DM with sense will say it is ×4 regardless of what the RAW lawyers argue.

The ToB errata... well that's a joke in an of itself... so yeah, x4 as with all the other classes :smallsmile:

[Curmudgeon]

So.. houserule that away?
It's not exactly a house rule. See the Player's Handbook Errata file, where WotC leaves "minor, typographical errors" to each DM to address. So this mistake has already been addressed in official errata, just not explicitly for this particular typo.

[shaddy_24]

If you check the sample swordsage you also end up in a situation where the number of skill points doesn't match up with what he should have, either with x4 or x6.

Level 5 half elf, Str 14 Dex 15, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 8
Balance +13 (9 ranks, +2 Dex, +2 Tumble)
Diplomacy +3 (+2 half-elf, +2 Sense Motive, -1 Cha)
Gather Info +1 (+2 half-elf, -1 Cha)
Hide +11 (9 ranks, +2 Dex)
Jump +13 (9 ranks, +2 Str, +2 Tumble)
Listen +5 (+1 half-elf, +2 Alertness, +1 Wis, +1?)
Move Silently +11 (9 ranks, +2 Dex)
Search +2 (+1 half-elf, +1?)
Sense Motive +10 (9 ranks, +1 Wis)
Spot +5 (+1 half-elf, +2 Alertness, +1 Wis, +1?)
Tumble +13 (9 ranks, +2 Jump, +2 Dex)

6 skills maxed out, with an extra rank in each of Listen, Search and Spot. Since Search is cross class, that means either an extra 4 skill points not accounted for (which doesn't match with x6 at first level, which would give an extra 12 skill points), or someone forgot that half-elves only get +1 to each of those skills rather than the +2 full elves get.