agentnone
2013-01-19, 06:10 AM
I'm having an issue convincing my DM that two characters can work together to create a magic item. I'm playing a Cleric and the Wizard in our group has the Scribe Scroll feat. In accordance with the rules, she should be able to scribe a scroll (Feat requirement) with me providing the spell (spell requirement. The PRD/pg 549 core rulebook reads:
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed).
But, he's saying that since I'm a divine caster, and she's arcane, it shouldn't work. Not for scrolls, or potions, or armor. Plus, at the beginning of the magic item tables, it says this (pg 461 core rulebook):
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator's level must be known.
With those two things written in there for people to work together to make magic items, without any direct mention of a difference between arcane and divine spells having any effect on item creation, am I right in my understanding that even if I don't have any item creation feats, I can still help someone who does have one make their item. He's saying no (and I know, he's the DM he makes the rules) but as the RAW/RAI, it's pretty clear that the wizard can take the feats and the rest of the party can help without having to invest in them. Can anyone clear this up for?
Also, for a cookie, can anyone show me where it matters if the caster is divine or arcane? He seems to have it stuck in his head that the two different sources shouldn't be able to intermingle when making items unless the character has access to both. Thanks in advance folks.
-Agent
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed).
But, he's saying that since I'm a divine caster, and she's arcane, it shouldn't work. Not for scrolls, or potions, or armor. Plus, at the beginning of the magic item tables, it says this (pg 461 core rulebook):
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.
It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.
If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator's level must be known.
With those two things written in there for people to work together to make magic items, without any direct mention of a difference between arcane and divine spells having any effect on item creation, am I right in my understanding that even if I don't have any item creation feats, I can still help someone who does have one make their item. He's saying no (and I know, he's the DM he makes the rules) but as the RAW/RAI, it's pretty clear that the wizard can take the feats and the rest of the party can help without having to invest in them. Can anyone clear this up for?
Also, for a cookie, can anyone show me where it matters if the caster is divine or arcane? He seems to have it stuck in his head that the two different sources shouldn't be able to intermingle when making items unless the character has access to both. Thanks in advance folks.
-Agent