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silverwolfer
2013-01-20, 06:54 PM
Now some folks say that a level 5 Raptoran gets to keep wings becuase they are a EX or a mode of transport or something like that. Does that hold true for a Goliath greater build that allows them to count as a large instead of medium creature?

GenericMook
2013-01-20, 07:06 PM
You'd lose that. From the Dragonborn entry in Races of the Dragon:


Other Racial Traits: You lose all other racial traits of your original race, including bonus feats, skill bonuses, attack bonuses, save bonuses, spell-like abilities, and so forth. Two specific instances warrant clarification.

• If your original race granted you a nonspecific bonus feat (such as the one gained by a human at 1st level), any feat can be lost, so long as it is not a prerequisite for another feat you have.
• If your original race granted bonus skill points, you should deduct an appropriate amount of skill points from your current skill ranks. The specific skills affected are up to you, but the DM’s input might be required to adjudicate tricky situations (such as multiclass characters who might have purchased ranks of various skills as both class skills and cross-class skills).

Goliaths lose Powerful build because of that. Raptorans, on the other hand, keep their flight because of another clause.


Speed: You retain your original base land speed, as well as any other modes of movement possessed by your original race. Other racial traits related to speed or movement, such as the dwarf’s ability to move at full speed in medium or heavy armor, are lost.

Cog
2013-01-20, 08:19 PM
Goliaths lose Powerful build because of that.
You missed a detail:

Size: You retain your original size. If the original race had
powerful build as a racial trait, it is also retained.

silverwolfer
2013-01-20, 08:45 PM
:O how is that never talked about

Cog
2013-01-20, 08:58 PM
:O how is that never talked about
Personally, -2 Dex is bearable, but -4 seems a little rough to eat. Worse, you'd lose that fabulous +2 to Sense Motive.