Bard Done Right?

[scurv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Qsma7OGcp6A

Please list other links if you know any!

[The LOBster]

Maybe it's just my love for crazy things that would be impossible on our world, but I envision bards in my setting as a class that uses Magic Music to attack, buff, and debuff others. Their instrument IS their weapon!

So basically, Demyx from Kingdom Hearts.

[1337 b4k4]

I personally always envisioned bards as a sort of "puppet master" combatant. Rather than mixing it up mano a mano or even directly casting buff/debuff spells, I always envisioned a more peid piper approach. A bard doesn't go marching down the halls of a dungeon because his flute playing protects him from monsters or puts them to sleep, he goes marching through dungeons because he's driving a veritable army of enchanted cave rats or goblins before him, ready to do his bidding.

[scurv]

I don't know, Motivational speech and 30'000 +1's. But bard is a versatile class/concept.

[holywhippet]

Depends on edition I suppose. The 300 speech would fit in with a 2nd edition bard quite well:


The music, poetry, and stories of the bard can also be inspirational, rallying friends and allies. If the exact nature of an impending threat is known, the bard can heroically inspire his companions (immortalizing them in word and song), granting a +1 bonus to attack rolls, or a +1 bonus to saving throws, or a +2 bonus to morale (particularly useful in large battles) to those involved in melee. The bard must spend at least three full rounds singing or reciting before the battle begins. This affects those within a range of 10 feet per experience level of the bard.

While the 3rd edition bard song is more of a spur of the moment thing.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Maybe it's just my love for crazy things that would be impossible on our world, but I envision bards in my setting as a class that uses Magic Music to attack, buff, and debuff others. Their instrument IS their weapon!

So basically, Demyx from Kingdom Hearts.

You mean Sona from League of Legends.

[Averis Vol]

You mean Sona from League of Legends.

except, well, she can't quite give epic speeches, unless, ofcourse, you prefer:

"Pling pling pling, strum pling strum strum strum, PLING! PLING! PLING!"


:smalltongue:

[Arcanist]

So basically, Demyx from Kingdom Hearts.

I'd say "DANCE WATER! DANCE" but... I just have to much dignity... :smallfrown:

[tbok1992]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ) is how a PC bard is done right.

And this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmSt1oEIshE) is a high-level NPC Bard done right.

[Hiro Protagonest]

except, well, she can't quite give epic speeches, unless, ofcourse, you prefer:

"Pling pling pling, strum pling strum strum strum, PLING! PLING! PLING!"


:smalltongue:

She and Morgan Freeman both learn sign language, and he becomes the translator.

Alternatively, she takes out a bow and plays this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uplUvP_Qg). By herself. Or this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cT8MsQRqPE).

[Averis Vol]

I prefer this (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E1a_jGtSVhM/UHS99BFmNlI/AAAAAAAAAOI/TzLO30FPOjw/s1600/talesofvaloran013.png) version :P

[Alejandro]

Edward. :)

[scurv]

I would watch anything with Morgan Freeman in it! If the man played a bard I do not care what edition it is. He would show us how it is done.

[WitchSlayer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmGS4I0XNj4

This is clearly bard done right

[Seharvepernfan]

A successful bard defeats his enemies and accomplishes his objectives without making an attack or getting attacked. He uses stealth/persuasion/knowledge/enchantment/illusions to bypass obstacles, misdirect enemies, and get proxies to take his place in fights (and buff them while he's at it). If he must participate in a fight, he's most likely tricking a wand of scorching ray into thinking he's a sorcerer.

[scurv]

Links of awesomeness please, not rules lawyering.

[Chilingsworth]

Links of awesomeness please, not rules lawyering.



Well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2faiEGBJyM) always struck me as bardish. Will that do? :smallsmile:

[scurv]

chilling you have linked nightwish, you are forgiven!

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I think the word that i use to define the bard class is inspiration.

[Chilingsworth]

chilling you have linked nightwish, you are forgiven!

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I think the word that i use to define the bard class is inspiration.

Hmm, forgiven, huh? :smallconfused:

In anycase, not sure how close this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmOZC0a4IVg) is to the D&D concept of a bardic performance. It sure seemed to serve a similiar purpose in universe, though. (I'd guess it could be modeled by a Words of Creation-augmented facinate/mass suggestion bardic music use.) Actually, the songstress dress sphere from FFX-2 would be a decent candidate for a bard done right, if alittle lightheartedly.

Also, though not a combat use, for bards done right see: Skyrim.

[PersonMan]

A successful bard defeats his enemies and accomplishes his objectives without making an attack or getting attacked. He uses stealth/persuasion/knowledge/enchantment/illusions to bypass obstacles, misdirect enemies, and get proxies to take his place in fights (and buff them while he's at it). If he must participate in a fight, he's most likely tricking a wand of scorching ray into thinking he's a sorcerer.


Links of awesomeness please, not rules lawyering.

I'm not seeing how "I think a bard is not a direct-force-of-awesome kind of guy, but a sneaky kind of guy whose moments of awesome are when his plans all come together and are therefore hard to link to videos/music of" is "rules lawyering".

I mean, I could just as easily say "real game stuff please, not just premade music stuff" and it would be just as out of place, IMO.

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More on topic, I once had a bard concept who would play stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFdWFSenyWc) solo to buff/debuff, depending on the situation.

[SowZ]

Hmm, forgiven, huh? :smallconfused:

In anycase, not sure how close this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmOZC0a4IVg) is to the D&D concept of a bardic performance. It sure seemed to serve a similiar purpose in universe, though. (I'd guess it could be modeled by a Words of Creation-augmented facinate/mass suggestion bardic music use.) Actually, the songstress dress sphere from FFX-2 would be a decent candidate for a bard done right, if alittle lightheartedly.

Also, though not a combat use, for bards done right see: Skyrim.

I don't know, I like my bards to know more than two songs...

[Chilingsworth]

I don't know, I like my bards to know more than two songs...

Fair point. But, those bards know every song that exists in their world, so it's not their fault!

[The New Bruceski]

Inspire courage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4CQc1MSso

[nedz]

The best bards all take the DFI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEKBT99GSY) feat.

And the obligatory Barbarian dip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk) — No talking.

[FerhagoRosewood]

When speaking of great bards, I think you can look no further than...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121210051602/protagonist/images/4/44/Eddie-riggs-1-.jpg

[Concrete]

Next time I do a bard, he'll be modeled after this song.

Warning,: Language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LxyhCJpsM&list=FL3LYGICPKBwF03sFYBbq1kg&index=3

[Darius Kane]

A Bard solving a crisis. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt7ERxkG6k)

[Juntao112]

A bard sneaking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJg6Duzzf4)

(Don't worry. He can do that. (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?327699-Shiver-Me-Timbers-It-s-Black-Jack-Wellesley!))

[HC Rainbow]

Maybe it's just my love for crazy things that would be impossible on our world, but I envision bards in my setting as a class that uses Magic Music to attack, buff, and debuff others. Their instrument IS their weapon!

So basically, Demyx from Kingdom Hearts.

Seeker of the Song does this, Kind of. Launching lightning bolts with their music and fire waves. Pretty rad I would say.