1 Level Per Class, and 15th Level Wizard Casting

[koboldish]

Play a goblin with 1 level of every class. Name him Señor Vorpal Kickass'o. Bonus points if you go out and find + buy fixed d20's that turn up 1's more often.

That should keep your group from worrying about you being over powered.

So I saw this while reading a different thread... And it got me thinking... I now want to play this. The only catch is I want at least 15 levels of wizard casting. With one level per class. Is this even possible? Thanks for all of the help, and to the original poster of this idea.

[Chess435]

Yes, it's doable all the way up to 20th level. I don't have the build on me, but I do remember it has the interesting side-effect of giving you a total BAB of 0.

[koboldish]

Sounds fun. Do you remeber how you got 15 levels of casting? That's the one part I can't figue out. With prestiges it's easy, but getting to there is a problem.

[Chess435]

Sounds fun. Do you remeber how you got 15 levels of casting? That's the one part I can't figue out. With prestiges it's easy, but getting to there is a problem.

The build abused some early-entry tricks to cover the first few levels, IIRC.

[koboldish]

Did it have flaws?

[Chess435]

Did it have flaws?

Sorry, don't remember. It probably needed a couple though.

[koboldish]

Phooey. No flaws in the campaign. If you could post the build, that would be awesome. It doesn't have to be for a while. Thanks!

[Kazyan]

*flip flip flip*

If you preface with 4 levels of Druid and 1 of a Full BAB class, and use an early entry trick of your choice, then:

Wizard 1/Spellsword 1/Dragonslayer 1/Abjchamp 1/Master Specialist 1/Mystic Theurge 1/Arcane Heirophant 1/Mindbender 1/Earth Dreamer 1/Incantatrix 1/Elemental Savant 1/Argent Savant 1/Escalation Mage 1/Geomancer 1/Geometer 1

Now to figure out how to remove the first five levels. Gotta get rid of the theurge stuff and the BAB-requirement classes. I'm about to head off, but this might help.

[ArcturusV]

I take it unlike the source your DM isn't willing to let you take 1/11th of a level at a time in 11 different classes.

[koboldish]

No, thats not how leveling works. You choose the next class when you advance a leve, you can't put exp. towards different class levels.

[ArcturusV]

Yeah, I know that's how it is supposed to work in 3.5. Though the character the guy was referencing originally was from a comic called Goblins, and he had something like 1/11th level in 11 different classes. And it'd be interesting enough that if you asked me as a DM to let you do something like that I'd probably figure out a way to make it happen.

[koboldish]

Ah. So... How early can you get into a class that stacks with wizard casting?

[HunterOfJello]

Ah. So... How early can you get into a class that stacks with wizard casting?

Drow Paragon stacks with Wizard starting at level 2.

Master Specialist PrC stacks with Wizard starting at level 3.
Human, Elf, and Half-Elf Paragon also stack with Wizard starting at level 3.


I think those are the earliest entries for stacking with Wizard.

[koboldish]

Alright. I would need LA buyoff to do that though. Or I could just take a level of ninja or something. Would wizard 1/ninja 1 qualify for one of those? If it wasn't a drow?

[Spuddles]

No, thats not how leveling works. You choose the next class when you advance a leve, you can't put exp. towards different class levels.

You could level like that in 3.0. Rather, there were 0th level classes, and you could take two of them at once, so be a fighter/wizard with a BAB of +1 and a few cantrips.

[koboldish]

Ah. I've never played 3.0, sorry.

[Urpriest]

You could level like that in 3.0. Rather, there were 0th level classes, and you could take two of them at once, so be a fighter/wizard with a BAB of +1 and a few cantrips.

Well, sort of. It was a zany variant, used to represent apprentices or something. You weren't supposed to use it past first level anyway.

[koboldish]

Hmm... If it didn't have full casting, what if I wanted to get 20d6 sneak attack? :smallbiggrin:

[JaronK]

You could do it as a Sorcerer using Loredrake and being a Dragonwrought Kobold much easier, simply because a Kobold Sorcerer 1 can have third level Sorcerer casting. But that still doesn't quite give you high enough level spells to actually PrC out, sadly enough.

JaronK

[Zubrowka74]

Well, sort of. It was a zany variant, used to represent apprentices or something. You weren't supposed to use it past first level anyway.

Wasn't that in 2E ? If I recall correctly you could even pick class features left and right until you reached level 1. Sorta like Gesalt.

[koboldish]

My DM banned Loredrake and the web supplement giving more casting :smallannoyed:.

[Urpriest]

Question for you koboldish: is early entry acceptable? If so, which methods does your DM think work?

[koboldish]

Early entry is acceptable for all not completely cheesy and ridiculus methods. LA buyoff is not allowed. Thanks.

[Randomguy]

Here's something I posted earlier:



Race: Human.
1: Beguiler (for skillpoints). Feats: Earth sense, Heighten spell, Earth spell, Spell focus (school of specialization)
2: Wizard. Feats: Scribe Scroll (bonus)
3: Master specialist (via earth spell and heighten spell). Feats: Practiced spellcaster (beguiler), Skill focus (spellcraft) (bonus)
4: Rogue (also for skill points) (Feat rogue varient might be a good idea here). EDIT: NVM, you need sneak attack for Arcane Trickster
5: Ultimate Magus
6: Geometer: Feat: Cooperative Spell
7: fatespinner
8: Pragnostic Apostle
9: Mindbender Feats: Mindsight
10. Unseen Seer.
11. Visionary Seeker (from planar handbook)
12. Wayfarer Guide. Feat: Iron Will
13. Incantatrix (Feat: Quicken spell (bonus)
14. Arcane Trickster
15. Sacred Exorcist Feat: skill focus knowledge (religion)
16. Mage of the Arcane Order
17. Divine Oracle
18. Loremaster Feat: Spell Focus (different school), XX (bonus feat)
19. YY
20. Archmage

If XX = Greater spell focus (abjuration) (one other spell focus must be (abjuration)
then YY = Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil.
If XX = Energy substitution (any) then YY = Elemental savant.

There's also some room for level and feat rearranging in there. For example, archmage could go before YY, but I thought High Arcana would make a nice capstone.


You've got the casting of a level 18 wizard and a level 1 beguiler, with a Cl of 6 for beguiler casting and Cl 19 for wizard casting. That's enough to make you effective on its own, but you've also got mindsight and telepathy, plus a bunch of neat abilities, so you should be okay.

You need 2 flaws for this one, but you can change it so that it's possible without flaws:
Master Specialist only requires that you can cast level 2 arcane spells, not level 2 wizard spells. This means you can take versatile spellcaster and spell focus as your 2 level 1 feats and you'd still be able to qualify. Then, at level 3, take a metamagic feat instead of Practiced Spellcaster, so you can still get into Ultimate Magus. You'd end up with level 17 wizard casting instead of level 18 wizard casting, but it's not that big a deal since you still get 9th level spells.
Alternatively, take Precocious Apprentice instead of Versatile Spellcaster, and it'll work just the same.

If you want to actually be a goblin, you'll need to rearrange things even more.

[Spuddles]

Well, sort of. It was a zany variant, used to represent apprentices or something. You weren't supposed to use it past first level anyway.

Yeah. I liked it for early entry builds.

[koboldish]

Thanks! That's an epic build.