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CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-06, 12:24 AM

As it slowly but surely builds.

Hi! Welcome to the NINTH thread of Murphy's Law! As you can probably guess, this is an OOTS-style webcomic. It's comedic, yet with an ongoing, in-depth storyline. It starts out with a multiclass Fighter/Paladin named Lloyd Zephyr looking to organize an adventuring party, and quickly mushrooms from there into something much bigger...

So, yeah...Enjoy!

MURPHY'S LAW

Current comic:

#222: Keeping In Touch
http://i.imgur.com/Sk3LMxP.png

Archive:

#1: Why I Hate Fanservice (http://i.imgur.com/2LdUyx5.png)

#2: Always Use A Pencil (http://i.imgur.com/2lQ5PoK.png)

#3: First Impressions (http://i.imgur.com/7Gl8zA3.png)

#4: Subversions (http://i.imgur.com/YCeGj5Y.png)

#5: Oddly, They Didn't Confiscate His Weapons (http://i.imgur.com/pso8eaH.png)

#6: This Will Work Out Great! (http://i.imgur.com/EvAtyz0.jpg)

#7: Off On The Wrong Foot (http://i.imgur.com/CBHvBzn.jpg)

#8: Well, She IS A Druid (http://i.imgur.com/CZ0Pijg.png)

#9: Don't Worry, The Weasel's Alright (http://i.imgur.com/QJsvpIT.jpg)

#10: Not So Rough (http://i.imgur.com/Hfmz51Q.jpg)

#11: Well, This Isn't Foreboding At All! (http://i.imgur.com/PLJMXjg.png)

#12: Captain Obvious (http://i.imgur.com/YxMrWtJ.png)

#13: Rule Of Cool (http://i.imgur.com/qNYQsB4.jpg)

#14: Roll A Fort Save (http://i.imgur.com/mmMH3mZ.png)

#15: Avenue J (http://i.imgur.com/u7TuP5c.png)

#16: Lloyd Zephyr Is Not A Morning Person (http://i.imgur.com/cXhj822.png)

#17: Actually, Radic Has a Higher Dex Score (http://i.imgur.com/v3Dvfx2.png)

#18: Digging Yourself Deeper (http://i.imgur.com/89tnmBi.png)

#19: Kid In A Candy Shop (http://i.imgur.com/hAbd8QI.jpg)

#20: He Really Should Know The Answer To This By Now (http://i.imgur.com/eWfgk4R.jpg)

#21: Deja Vu (http://i.imgur.com/liXHtWe.jpg)

#22: No More (http://i.imgur.com/PSao1r8.png)

#23: They're Required To Do This Every So Often
(http://i.imgur.com/Xs8oJgR.jpg)

#24: He, At Least, Didn't See That One Coming (http://i.imgur.com/47spTwI.jpg)

#25: Tomorrow's Spells Consist Entirely of Cure X Wounds And Atonement (http://i.imgur.com/gAXqoKZ.jpg)

#26: Seatbelts Help Prevent Whiplash (http://i.imgur.com/aRoLGGG.jpg)

#27: Say What You Will, But He's Got Style (http://i.imgur.com/1tfAnaD.jpg)

#28: Harmful To Minors (http://i.imgur.com/5KqZNuu.png)

#29: Matt's Best Chance (http://i.imgur.com/qerMBas.jpg)

#30: At This Rate, He'll Command An Entire Army By The End Of The Comic (http://i.imgur.com/ve15tyq.jpg)

#31: And You Thought Rogues Got Buckets Of Skill Points (http://i.imgur.com/jjLMYFQ.jpg)

#32: All In Good Time (http://i.imgur.com/7PcPiEo.jpg)

#33: It Doesn't Start With "U" Either (http://i.imgur.com/5ngQ8Nj.jpg)

#34: At Least He's Warm (http://i.imgur.com/312tJZZ.jpg)

#35: Genki If There Ever Was One (http://i.imgur.com/Atu3zuw.jpg)

#36: Ad Campaign (http://i.imgur.com/IgYjVOE.jpg)

#37: This Happens Every Few Weeks (http://i.imgur.com/D395nd9.jpg)

#38: Gonna Need More Duct Tape (http://i.imgur.com/8vrFzaF.jpg)

#39: Critical Communication Failure (http://i.imgur.com/7R6NyI3.jpg)

#40: Insult To Remus (http://i.imgur.com/kGg7A7s.jpg)

#41: That She Lasted So Long Is A Miracle In Itself (http://i.imgur.com/gHqRtSu.jpg)

#42: She Didn't Mean The Liches Or Necromancers (http://i.imgur.com/ATQq9na.jpg)

#43: Meanwhile, Thousands Of Miles Away (http://i.imgur.com/QvTpTrC.jpg)

#44: Matt Could Have Told You Years Ago (http://i.imgur.com/DJRl0LJ.jpg)

#45: 240 Proof (http://i.imgur.com/ayauAUJ.jpg)

#46: Divination, How I Love Thee (http://i.imgur.com/025Fdrp.jpg)

#47: A Rare Quiet Moment (http://i.imgur.com/yZjOwNg.jpg)

#48: A Familiar Occurrence (http://i.imgur.com/7AkOpuA.jpg)

#49: Think Fast (http://i.imgur.com/vv0ocCa.jpg)

#50: Miss Exposition (http://i.imgur.com/hlojNOv.jpg)

#51: Iris Said To Squick Him Out (http://i.imgur.com/on0lDgi.jpg)

#52: Every Single Time (http://i.imgur.com/MckAuPA.jpg)

#53: He Didn't See Panel Five (http://i.imgur.com/tHA7EHI.jpg)

#54: All Aboard The Plot Train (http://i.imgur.com/U5wHbua.jpg)

#55: Ursa Saphrin (http://i.imgur.com/rTxNLrW.jpg)

#56: But Seriously, They're Safe (http://i.imgur.com/M7fJU3N.jpg)

#57: Story Arcs Start Slow (http://i.imgur.com/v9O9eK8.png)

#58: Presumably For His Height (http://i.imgur.com/IsNoq4m.jpg)

#59: Like Electric Guitars, But More Explodey (http://i.imgur.com/zJoSiNu.jpg)

#60: On Patrol (http://i.imgur.com/oqJUIai.jpg)

#61: They Should Schedule A Meetup (http://i.imgur.com/t5puOqA.jpg)

#62: That's Fewer Than Half (http://i.imgur.com/tjDfIfB.jpg)

#63: Mission Possible (http://i.imgur.com/QESMbtB.jpg)

#64: Matthew "Deathwish" Silver (http://i.imgur.com/2pXkfPJ.png)

#65: Baby Steps (http://i.imgur.com/ow2LUo6.png)

#66: Denial Ain't Just A River (http://i.imgur.com/qM0VhbR.jpg)

#67: The Best Wizards Are Unpredictable (http://i.imgur.com/rCF5Kfe.jpg)

#68: But It Just Might Work (http://i.imgur.com/eTYB26M.png)

#69: Unexpected Greeting
(http://i.imgur.com/heFLwz5.png)
#70: Why I Won't Use Foreign Languages (http://i.imgur.com/2rRCccL.jpg)

#71: Not Private Enough (http://i.imgur.com/m2GZs5u.jpg)

#72: Paladins Can Bluff Too (http://i.imgur.com/NDFHIgJ.png)

#73: Some Would Say Yes (http://i.imgur.com/RkWkZ0p.png)

#74: A Fitting Punishment (http://i.imgur.com/JzUFzTj.png)

#75: Come On, Let's Get Real (http://i.imgur.com/NfJly5A.png)

#76: Ostensibly Heroic Kleptomaniac (http://i.imgur.com/H4bvtjs.png)

#77: She's Conflicted Too (http://i.imgur.com/EvIEEci.jpg)

#78: Not A Bluff Check (http://i.imgur.com/Isorloj.jpg)

#79: Resolutions, Wishes, And Prayers (http://i.imgur.com/3aXZaQI.png)

#80: Knowledge: Religion (http://i.imgur.com/bbgpW2B.jpg)

#81: No, She Wasn't Listening Before (http://i.imgur.com/xrEKntf.jpg)

#82: As The Stories Say (http://i.imgur.com/VomR6hj.jpg)

#83: Collective Guilt (http://i.imgur.com/67RWbj2.jpg)

#84: Fir Saw It Coming (http://i.imgur.com/ALaxqwT.jpg)

#85: She'll Actually Be Sensible For Once (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ShellActuallyBeSensibleForOnce.png)

#86: Talk About Timing (http://i.imgur.com/NqGNwfB.png)

#87: I Don't Know Either (http://i.imgur.com/8zLoiu3.png)

#88: The Montage Mobile (http://i.imgur.com/drUkwSQ.jpg)

#89: Golden Eagle Shipping And Trading (http://i.imgur.com/TRKVZBD.jpg)

#90: More Appropriate As Comic 99 (http://i.imgur.com/GnBl5ZU.jpg)

#91: Dun Dun DUN (http://i.imgur.com/PPyBhGA.png)

#92: The Abridged Edition (http://i.imgur.com/a209Mqq.jpg)

#93: Ever Heard Of Milgram? (http://i.imgur.com/WVXKKUF.jpg)

#94: They're Serious (http://i.imgur.com/SDB7GpS.jpg)

#95: Tin Soldiers And Kago's Coming (http://i.imgur.com/TaTG5cq.jpg)

#96: Help, Help, They're Being Repressed! (http://i.imgur.com/39IUSkq.jpg)

#97: What Did You Think (http://i.imgur.com/XxK9a90.png)

#98: Lockstep (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/Lockstep.png)

#99: Hyperbole? (http://i.imgur.com/11OSToJ.jpg)

#100: Don't Cut Your Hands (http://i.imgur.com/FiTohL7.jpg)

#101: A Paladin, Not A Killing Machine (http://i.imgur.com/g0UeI7g.png)

#102: Fair For Its Time (http://i.imgur.com/ZxFOoB6.jpg)

#103: Bad Time To Haggle (http://i.imgur.com/XbLvw06.jpg)

#104: On That Note, It's Lamplight (http://i.imgur.com/OQdNbei.jpg)

#105: A Bit Of An Inside Joke (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ABitOfAnInsideJoke.png)

#106: Astrid's Seal Of Approval (http://i.imgur.com/YGYTKHJ.png)

#107: No, I Don't Know The Spell (http://i.imgur.com/h0AJnCr.png)

#108: Mr. Fixit (http://i.imgur.com/saVYrrZ.png)

#109: Just As He's An Angel (http://i.imgur.com/n75cIwX.png)

#110: What They'll See (http://i.imgur.com/7wFoXGO.png)

#111: News To Them (http://i.imgur.com/ntzxzkS.png)

#112: Awesome By Analysis (http://i.imgur.com/jbUfSVh.png)

#113: Would Be More Dramatic If They Had Chairs (http://i.imgur.com/gx3yAUy.jpg)

#114: Guess Who's Not Sleeping Tonight (http://i.imgur.com/YJSjnK8.png)

#115: For The Love Of Astrid, Don't Turn Around (http://i.imgur.com/HltLRlb.png)

#116: This Can Only End Very, Very Badly (http://i.imgur.com/dE0yexR.png)

#117: Oh Dear God (http://i.imgur.com/c8ZByz9.png)

#118: It's Not Like She's Going Anywhere (http://i.imgur.com/wnpl3Qu.jpg)

#119: Devotion (http://i.imgur.com/CYCA6TX.jpg)

#120: A Cleric By Any Other Name (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/AClericByAnyOtherName.png)

#121: Barely Breakable Vow (http://i.imgur.com/cFFMiAt.jpg)

#122: Seven Drunken Strips (http://i.imgur.com/CWkRksw.png)

#123: Infirvention (http://i.imgur.com/mQCQioj.jpg)

#124: Not So Much Singing As Screaming (http://i.imgur.com/wLaD5v3.png)

#125: Here She Comes To Save The Day (http://i.imgur.com/bYRCGmG.png)

#126: It's Every Adventurer's Best Friend (http://i.imgur.com/VHYLRuV.png)

#127: Graphical Representation: Not To Scale (http://i.imgur.com/rxuHW6a.png)

#128: What Else Does She Have (http://i.imgur.com/jbe2Byo.jpg)

#129: The Boy Prince (http://i.imgur.com/dst1G5m.jpg)

#130: For The Record, She's Not (http://i.imgur.com/6SWFnPe.jpg)

#131: There's Theocratic, And There's Theocratic (http://i.imgur.com/dlGUct7.jpg)

#132: And All The Characters Merely Players (http://i.imgur.com/DAjM2aF.jpg)

#133: Hear No State Secrets, See No State Secrets, Speak No State Secrets (http://i.imgur.com/iNaTrpX.jpg)

#134: The Merchants Of Runite (http://i.imgur.com/VPSNElZ.png)

#135: Just Business (http://i.imgur.com/HfoHLYE.jpg)

#136: Family Values (http://i.imgur.com/fSOuhBN.jpg)

#137: Except For Those Fire Ones (http://i.imgur.com/DT0ooHh.png)

#138: Rogues' Creed (http://i.imgur.com/7YIHRtF.png)

#139: Not To Mention The Cart (http://i.imgur.com/BNRO7X5.png)

#140: I'll Be Shocked If You Didn't See It Coming (http://i.imgur.com/70qAwJn.png)

#141: Going Meta (http://i.imgur.com/Bg03lmp.png)

#142: Actually, You Kind Of Did (http://i.imgur.com/sgVxYPc.png)

#143: Again, A Weekly Occurrence (http://i.imgur.com/bxe1RZv.png)

#144: A Little Self-Indulgence (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/ALittleSelfIndulgence.png)

#145: You're Looking Several Blocks Over (http://i.imgur.com/cSeiyZr.png)

#146: But What About The Halberd? (http://i.imgur.com/mEbyOb5.png)

#147: Convenience (http://i.imgur.com/ECh4E2t.png)

#148: It's Really Not That Big (http://i.imgur.com/OihhqJ2.png)

#149: Steamy (http://i.imgur.com/ROsCYDd.png)

#150: NPC's Never Move (http://i.imgur.com/sBI8skq.png)

#151: She's Not Kidding (http://i.imgur.com/OAjDe8m.png)

#152: Think Of The Potential (http://i.imgur.com/cL9fQky.jpg)

#153: Basic Manners (http://i.imgur.com/EMW54Pp.jpg)

#154: We'll Return To The Humor After These Messages (http://i.imgur.com/MJm6uZN.png)

#155: Obligatory Filler (http://i.imgur.com/74yCQ5C.jpg)

#156: No Checks Necessary (http://i.imgur.com/Jvryv29.png)

#157: Of Course He Won't (http://i.imgur.com/xvf92On.png)

#158: And Even Harder To Get (http://i.imgur.com/gKbQyVt.png)

#159: Fear The Day She Discovers Fanfiction (http://i.imgur.com/b36RIjw.jpg)

#160: Never Gamble With A Dragon (http://i.imgur.com/DB0idkv.png)

#161: Overpowering His Entire Class (http://i.imgur.com/dANPuMF.png)

#162: Any Fresher And She'd Be Alive (http://i.imgur.com/TdjZ6AG.jpg)

#163: Shove Her In An Animus And See What Comes Out (http://i.imgur.com/F0G89uq.png)

#164: Reaction Shots (http://i.imgur.com/npxTdBs.png)

#165: Class Nutritional Warfare (http://i.imgur.com/KM7fJU3.png)

#166: I Think It Is That Spicy (http://i.imgur.com/vvORygA.png)

#167: Don't Drink From It (http://i.imgur.com/v5ClnUi.png)

#168: Also, He's Chaotic (http://i.imgur.com/ruunYyw.png)

#169: Always Someone Better (http://i.imgur.com/JmGTHja.png)

#170: The Moment You've All Been Waiting For (http://i.imgur.com/LOsuI2U.png)

#171: Tinder Has No Idea (http://i.imgur.com/FH1Sktv.jpg)

#172: Just Before Means A Few Decades (http://i.imgur.com/sX0Wikl.png)

#173: Who Learned Nothing (http://i.imgur.com/QkVHZQn.jpg)

#174: Oscillating Wisdom Score (http://i.imgur.com/a9S5o6T.png)

#175: Loose Lips Sink Ships (http://i.imgur.com/7G5vZ9r.png)

#176: Yes, Even When He Sleeps (http://i.imgur.com/cwtcUhQ.png)

#177: He Actually Made A Listen Check (http://i.imgur.com/5piX6W6.png)

#178: Party Pooper (http://i.imgur.com/Isuztau.png)

#179: It's All About Timing (http://i.imgur.com/3TitPUe.jpg)

#180: Well, He Screwed Up Big-Time (http://i.imgur.com/nSIZ4tP.jpg)

#181: Boxed Assassin (http://i.imgur.com/4gnEpy2.png)

#182: Sniffing Them Out (http://i.imgur.com/oUxiSaF.png)

#183: What? It Was Hot Out (http://i.imgur.com/pLAh62O.png)

#184: Merry Band Of Traitors (http://i.imgur.com/n5M6gJK.png)

#185: Why Sense Motive Should Be A Class Skill (http://i.imgur.com/xgAZIGN.png)

#186: Should Have Used That Earlier (http://i.imgur.com/QnRB9tT.png)

#187: Like That Ever Works (http://i.imgur.com/M77AMXD.png)

#188: Who Won't? (http://i.imgur.com/qQdmktK.png)

#189: Oops (http://i.imgur.com/xYo2FQC.png)

#190: No Reset Button For You (http://i.imgur.com/UldjnpQ.png)

#191: It Still Counts (http://i.imgur.com/AF4DKYe.png)

#192: Book Of Gambits (http://i.imgur.com/kJ2V9h2.png)

#193: Wait Until Photography's Invented (http://i.imgur.com/S78EvDu.png)

#194: A Whole Lot Of Running To Do (http://i.imgur.com/JCYtFyV.png)

#195: Be Glad It's Not Miles Peakane (http://i.imgur.com/3PMgirZ.jpg)

#196: Fifteen Years, Eight Months, And Twelve Days (http://i.imgur.com/8W6Gvuw.png)

#197: Off By A Timezone And A Half (http://i.imgur.com/dOTrIWh.png)

#198: Savoring The Moment (http://i.imgur.com/ek0vi0j.png)

#199: I'll Take That As A Yes (http://i.imgur.com/aHjguO2.png)

#200: Leaping For Martyrdom (http://i.imgur.com/GlIdNt7.png)

#201: Practice Makes Competent (http://i.imgur.com/BvAMKnQ.jpg)

#202: Well, That Is The First Step (http://i.imgur.com/mDh2a1g.png)

#203: Not The Best At Comforting (http://i.imgur.com/RziMaMs.jpg)

#204: Oh You Did Not Just Say That (http://i.imgur.com/evVtUo5.jpg)

#205: Fir Should Have Known Better (http://i.imgur.com/VMkBbt0.png)

#206: Enough (http://i.imgur.com/JnJPlYx.jpg)

#207: Yes, She Actually Calls It That
(http://i.imgur.com/mZbqPiw.jpg)

#208: Better Late Than Never (http://i.imgur.com/1OlnksI.png)

#209: On The Shoulders Of Giants (http://i.imgur.com/qNMEWEV.jpg)

#210: That's A Very Good Question (http://i.imgur.com/fRZkLmq.jpg)

#211: He's Just Resting (http://i.imgur.com/sFY29zZ.jpg)

#212: No, But It Is Homebrew (http://i.imgur.com/IAeFkhF.jpg)

#213: More Drama Than Required (http://i.imgur.com/T3W2q7z.jpg)

#214: But Knowing Is Another Story (http://i.imgur.com/u8ih0uS.png)

#215: Tastes Like Chicken (http://i.imgur.com/ix2I0aX.png)

#216: Congratulations On Your Promotion (http://i.imgur.com/uNgwVFK.png)

#217: Now Taking Bets For The Next Surprise (http://i.imgur.com/tr9UkLT.png)

#218: The Boy King (http://i.imgur.com/EL0BFBp.png)

#219: Smile, You're Going Home! (http://i.imgur.com/kX1xtws.png)

#220: They'll Sleep On It (http://i.imgur.com/7Rtg5zc.png)

#221: The Arcane Equivalent Of Failing Your Driver's Test (http://i.imgur.com/7BtVtUL.png)

Please critique!

Qwertystop

2013-02-12, 10:18 PM

Woo! New thread!

Should have named it for the extra pages last time.

EDIT: Wow, first! Surprise!

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-12, 10:19 PM

At last! Our long-awaited thread has arrived! Hurrah! *updates bookmark*

Athedia

2013-02-12, 11:25 PM

YAY! Happy Dance Time! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANKuKQvT-Js)

super dark33

2013-02-13, 12:35 AM

Yheyheyheyhey!

Mutant Sheep

2013-02-13, 12:43 AM

And much happiness was had.:smallbiggrin:

OoTLink

2013-02-13, 01:39 AM

Yay :D At the top of my bookmarks :) Even ahead of Giant's comic.. bwahahhaa

Elemental

2013-02-13, 03:02 AM

Excellent. A new thread.

And it smells like... Bitter almonds?
Wait a minute...

Asta Kask

2013-02-13, 05:44 AM

We were last left with an awkward silence. Who will break it and how?

My prediction is that Serrin will try to switch the subject... quickly!

Elemental

2013-02-13, 05:47 AM

Hopefully to her wounds so she can get something done about them.
Alternatively, she'll just go back to Lloyd and have him finish the whole healing thing.

Admiral Harkov

2013-02-13, 06:24 AM

Hopefully to her wounds so she can get something done about them.
Alternatively, she'll just go back to Lloyd and have him finish the whole healing thing.

Moment chosen by Janine to make her entrance in search of some support.

Asta Kask

2013-02-13, 06:34 AM

Hopefully to her wounds so she can get something done about them.

This is Serrin we're talking about. She's probably back to inventing the new Gwaihir 2000 Figurine of Wondrous Power (seats 6, uses AppleMaps).

Miopic

2013-02-13, 06:40 AM

and the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and lions, GET ON WITH IT!

The Succubus

2013-02-13, 08:09 AM

Asta Kask

2013-02-13, 08:15 AM

Janine's Theme Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuHdUkuRi0)

I think her bikini top is held up by magic.

Mutant Sheep

2013-02-13, 08:23 AM

Elemental

2013-02-13, 08:23 AM

I really don't get why Radic is so angry about this. Unless Janine actively seduced her brother so that he'd break up with his girlfriend, then I don't really see the problem with him and Janine having cuddle time together, especially if it'd make both of them happy for a little while. Ripping Janine's head off - not cool, Radic.

Janine is, in my mind anyway, a very frustrating person to deal with. With what happened to her when she was growing up, it left her emotionally vulnerable, so she seeks out intimacy to prove her own worth even when it really doesn't. I think that because of everything, Janine doesn't really understand what friendship is.
Then step in Radic. Radic is probably Janine's only friend who's willing to help her get through everything. Most people would either distance themselves or take advantage of her. She's probably got a lot of stress from having to keep Janine in line most of the time anyway, and then she hears this about her own brother?
It was a bit much, but this is a serious betrayal at the best of times made no easier to handle by Radic's constant having to deal with Janine. Even the kindest people can get angry.

Take note of the panel before Janine tells her, it shows she's had to go through this with Janine many times before.

AntiMatter101

2013-02-13, 09:40 AM

I like the title, we don't get many 1-worded ones, but it's perfect on several levels.

Really looking forward to the next comic, I'm interested in Serrin's reaction/perspective on the matter. This is getting better by the minute!

HalfTangible

2013-02-13, 10:25 AM

Athedia

2013-02-13, 10:26 AM

I have had plenty of outbursts when I was frustrated and felt people hadn't been listening. I usually regretted it later, but it does wonders for making people change. They hate it when you yell at them.

Coffee can attest to my occasional outburst I believe.

Asta Kask

2013-02-13, 10:53 AM

Sounds like Janine and Radic both need to make a visit to the self-termination booths. The computer wants them to be happy. To be unhappy is treason.

Crystalwind

2013-02-13, 11:14 AM

Been a long-time follower and Murphy's Law fan. I have to say, I really like the depth of character. Even Matt's actions make perfect sense now (in fact, a while back, during the date arc where he's trying to prove himself, I associated best of all with him), and it's really shocking how well-designed everyone was from the start. Though, admittedly, Janine's logic still manages to evade me at times. Keep up the great work.:smallsmile:

SamBurke

2013-02-13, 11:18 AM

New Thread Speed: Activated.

super dark33

2013-02-13, 11:26 AM

New Thread Speed: Activated.

Full speed ahead!
Come on crew! We have the 10th milestone to get to!
Andalè andalè arriba arriba!

SamBurke

2013-02-13, 11:32 AM

Full speed ahead!
Come on crew! We have the 10th milestone to get to!
Andalè andalè arriba arriba!

BRING. IT. ON.

We're the Murphy's Law Fanbase. NOTHING moves threads faster than us.

EDIT: With the exception of "How will Belkar Die?" Threads and the MLP Crew. But that's an obvious exception.

Lix Lorn

2013-02-13, 12:01 PM

SamBurke

2013-02-13, 12:05 PM

A lot of people would consider their best friend's siblings to be off the table. I think this is because of how awkward it would be if you broke up, since the best friend would be torn.

There was even a Psych episode about this!

Miopic

2013-02-13, 03:43 PM

oop forgot to subscribe to the thread

MoleMage

2013-02-13, 05:30 PM

New thread subscription applied. Resuming lurking activities.

SamBurke

2013-02-13, 05:37 PM

New thread subscription applied. Resuming lurking activities.

I used to be a lurker like you. But then I took a Murphy's Law to the Knee.

Lix Lorn

2013-02-13, 05:50 PM

There is a button for making a subscription under 'thread tools' at the top of the page, and IIRC the mods much prefer you use that than make miniposts. :smallsmile:

SamBurke

2013-02-13, 06:19 PM

There is a button for making a subscription under 'thread tools' at the top of the page, and IIRC the mods much prefer you use that than make miniposts. :smallsmile:

This is the third time someone's pointed that out.

Each time, it blows my mind... I forgot it even existed. :smallredface:

MoleMage

2013-02-13, 07:40 PM

This is the third time someone's pointed that out.

Each time, it blows my mind... I forgot it even existed. :smallredface:

I did use that originally. I just couldn't resist the urge to join in the first page of explosiony comments.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-13, 10:50 PM

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-13, 11:05 PM

I think both. Janine did get out of hand, but she had her reasons and Radic was a little harsher than necessary.

Basically, we should side with Serrin.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-13, 11:08 PM

I think both. Janine did get out of hand, but she had her reasons and Radic was a little harsher than necessary.

Basically, we should side with Serrin.

Yeah probably, though I would be quite scared of spending a lot of time in her company... at least without having some sort of elemental protection (or better yet, damage immunity).

Asta Kask

2013-02-14, 05:42 AM

And now, in deferring to Coffee's chosen profession, is a video of a cute girl dismembering a wolf. (http://www.youtube.com/user/thebrainscoop) (It's for science!)

The Succubus

2013-02-14, 06:10 AM

A lot of people would consider their best friend's siblings to be off the table. I think this is because of how awkward it would be if you broke up, since the best friend would be torn.

It's a fair point but the way I see it *someone* is eventually going to want to spend Happy Fun Cuddletime with my siblings. I'd rather it was someone I was fond of.

Elemental

2013-02-14, 06:28 AM

New thread!!! Yay!!!

I am confused.. who should we side with in this "discussion"? Radic or Janine, my gut says that we are supposed to sympathize with Janine; but for some reason I agree with Radic that Janine did cross boundaries she should not have, though I do think she reacted in the worst way possible. [/SIZE]

The correct answer is, we should side with neither, but instead to sympathise with both.

It's a fair point but the way I see it *someone* is eventually going to want to spend Happy Fun Cuddletime with my siblings. I'd rather it was someone I was fond of.

That is definitely true. But the timing was completely off. There's a time to make a move, but immediately after a bad breakup isn't really the best of them...
I also think Radic wants Janine to have a meaningful relationship that isn't just Happy Fun Cuddletime. She's hoping Janine will stumble across what love really means, instead of trying to get together with every man she wants to respect her. As I've said, they've probably had this discussion so many times before that it's driving Radic insane.

Asta Kask

2013-02-14, 06:58 AM

Which opens another explanation to why Janine doesn't try to jump Matt. She doesn't care whether Matt respects her or not. That rings really true.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-14, 09:15 AM

I think Janine does care somewhat about looks and she probably doesn't find Matt attractive enough... or she recognizes that Matt only has eyes for Radic.

Asta Kask

2013-02-14, 09:50 AM

Matt has the Will score of a sloth. She could probably seduce him without breaking a sweat. She just needs to ask him if he's ever been with an experienced woman and then kiss him. He'd be putty in her hands (well, not all of him obviously).

SamBurke

2013-02-14, 11:28 AM

I think Janine does care somewhat about looks and she probably doesn't find Matt attractive enough... or she recognizes that Matt only has eyes for Radic.

I think I'll put it down to Janine's growth as a character, and her desire to truly be a good friend to Radic.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-14, 12:06 PM

I think I'll put it down to Janine's growth as a character, and her desire to truly be a good friend to Radic.

That too I guess.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-14, 12:18 PM

I'm not saying anything. :smallamused:

SamBurke

2013-02-14, 12:44 PM

I'm not saying anything. :smallamused:

1. You just said something.

2. That's no fuuuuuun! :smallfrown:

Lix Lorn

2013-02-14, 12:55 PM

It's a fair point but the way I see it *someone* is eventually going to want to spend Happy Fun Cuddletime with my siblings. I'd rather it was someone I was fond of.
This is an excellent way to think, but not a common one. xD

That is definitely true. But the timing was completely off. There's a time to make a move, but immediately after a bad breakup isn't really the best of them...
Also, this.

Clistenes

2013-02-14, 12:58 PM

Yheyheyheyhey!

Yheyheyheyhey!
I'm gonna sing a song for you,
I'm gonna show you a thing or two,
So have a seat my dear if its all the same,
just sit back and relax WHILE I EAT YOUR BRAINS!
na na na gonna eat your brains,
br-br-brains
na na na gonna eat your brains

Sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation. :smalltongue:

Matt has the Will score of a sloth. She could probably seduce him without breaking a sweat. She just needs to ask him if he's ever been with an experienced woman and then kiss him. He'd be putty in her hands (well, not all of him obviously).

Animals have pretty decent wisdom scores. Matt probably has the wisdom score of a Belkar.

About Janine, Coffee said earlier that Janine doesn't go after Matt because of Radic, among other reasons (and she's probably focusing on Lloyd too much to give any attention to Matt).

It's a fair point but the way I see it *someone* is eventually going to want to spend Happy Fun Cuddletime with my siblings. I'd rather it was someone I was fond of.

Well, Radic probably wants her brother to have a meaningful relationship, and not a guilt-ridden roll in the hay with her nutty friend. We often hold our relative's relationships to great standards...how many people can´t stand the boyfriends or girlfriends of their parents, children or siblings because "they aren't good enough"? Radic likes Janine, but she probably loathes her twisted view of "love" precisely because she likes the rest of her personality.

Asta Kask

2013-02-14, 02:38 PM

t209

2013-02-14, 03:32 PM

So poor Janine. Outside, she's a cleric with penchant for bed. But inside, her lust was caused by the perverted master.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-14, 03:43 PM

Now that you mention it, sloths seem very serene and at peace with their surroundings. Until a jaguar eats them. Maybe they are the contemplative mystics of the animal kingdom?

Anyway, Matt has a poor Will save so I doubt he could resist sampling Janine's delicacies for long.

Even if Matt has a low will save, unless Janine used a spell like Charm Person or Suggestion he wouldn't have to make a save as Will saves != will power in game terms. As there is no actual rule for that kind of stuff I would probably rule that trying to seduce someone would be either a diplomacy or a bluff check depending on the intentions of the seducer.

MoleMage

2013-02-14, 07:48 PM

Pathfinder has a trait that gives you a bonus to diplomacy and bluff if the other person is attracted to you, so it's probably fair to say that they're at least related skills.

Note that bluff is countered by wisdom too. Diplomacy is countered by experience (or in DnD by circumstances).

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-14, 08:18 PM

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-14, 11:06 PM

Well rogue do have sense motive as a class skill and there is a point where skill ranks will give more benefit that stat bonus; but I doubt Matt has invested in it (though considering he does likes to use bluff he should invest in it, a master liar shouldn't fall into someone else's lie)

He almost certainly has put at least a fair amount of ranks into Bluff if not the max possible based on his reaction in an earlier comic I'm too bothered by studying I should be doing to find.

Silverraptor

2013-02-14, 11:13 PM

Basically, we should side with Serrin.

Yes, everyone should.:smallbiggrin:

Miopic

2013-02-15, 06:45 PM

I used to be a lurker like you. But then I took a Murphy's Law to the Knee.

you,... you... YOU

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-15, 07:01 PM

And this is why I love you guys.

I'm in a glut of prelims but I'll work on the comic a bit tonight. Don't know how far I'll get though.

Qwertystop

2013-02-15, 07:48 PM

I used to be a lurker like you. But then I took a Murphy's Law to the Knee.
No. There is only one time that joke works:

I used to like called shots. Then I took an arrow to the knee.

SamBurke

2013-02-15, 09:29 PM

No. There is only one time that joke works:

That's why I changed it?

Also, Murphy's Law (The actual principle) is that the worst possible thing can and will happen.

Guess what the WORST POSSIBLE THING is?

An Arrow to the Knee Joke.

COSMIC IRONY.

SERVED.

HalfTangible

2013-02-15, 09:37 PM

That's why I changed it?

Also, Murphy's Law (The actual principle) is that the worst possible thing can and will happen.

Guess what the WORST POSSIBLE THING is?

An Arrow to the Knee Joke.

COSMIC IRONY.

SERVED.
I would think the worst possible thing that could happen to this thread would be either a solar radiation burst that wipes out the internet or for Coffee to lose her arms.

.......

*knock on wood. ALL of the wood!!!*

SamBurke

2013-02-15, 10:12 PM

I would think the worst possible thing that could happen to this thread would be either a solar radiation burst that wipes out the internet or for Coffee to lose her arms.

.......

*knock on wood. ALL of the wood!!!*

I tempted fate once like this. I said, "Hey, I wonder if this plane we're on isn't an infernal death trap that will doom the entire planet." Based entirely on that statement, the GM made it happen.

I thought I was horrible. Look at YOU!

Hiro Protagonest

2013-02-15, 10:21 PM

I tempted fate once like this. I said, "Hey, I wonder if this plane we're on isn't an infernal death trap that will doom the entire planet." Based entirely on that statement, the GM made it happen.

Yeah, it's even worse when you say stuff like that at a game table because the GM gets ideas.

Then again, one of my theories of the origins of our universe is that "real life" is actually an RPG, with "angels," "spirits", "souls", whatever you want to call them as the players, and "God" as the GM.

It also works as a deviant of the "real life is a simulation" theory.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-15, 11:33 PM

If I ever DM I doubt I'll be that cruel. I doubt.

Drakeburn

2013-02-15, 11:43 PM

If I ever DM I doubt I'll be that cruel. I doubt.

But where is the fun in that? (looking from the DM perspective that is :smalltongue: )

Anyways, I wouldn't be so cruel either if I ever had the chance to DM a game. I would prefer having a balance: being merciful and generous to my players while putting them into insane situations for my own amusement. :smallbiggrin::smalltongue:

Hiro Protagonest

2013-02-15, 11:46 PM

But where is the fun in that? (looking from the DM perspective that is :smalltongue: )

Anyways, I wouldn't be so cruel either if I ever had the chance to DM a game. I would prefer having a balance: being merciful and generous to my players while putting them into insane situations for my own amusement. :smallbiggrin::smalltongue:

So... you'd be a Killer Monty Haul Dungeon Master?

The players think the gear they're getting is too powerful...

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-15, 11:47 PM

Honestly, that's what I'd do too.

Athedia

2013-02-16, 12:06 AM

No, give them magic items that they have to figure out uses for, but you haven't planned for them to be useful. A sock that always smells of feet, a hairtie that makes hair oily, a pebble that talks (one campaign I was in had a Pebble of Answers, Stone of Questions, Brick of Knowledge, etc... We had to turn them on and off and they once got into an argument inside a dungeon. They gave mostly useless information, or biased info. But we had so much fun with them. Once I was sneaking and needed a distraction so I threw my Pebble against a wall and when someone asked if anyone heard it, the Pebble started talking. Everyone in our group eventually got some variation of a INSERT ROCK HERE of INSERT THING HERE.)

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-16, 12:09 AM

Drakeburn

2013-02-16, 12:11 AM

The players think the gear they're getting is too powerful...

And cue the drow war party riding on spiders.

I'd rather think of myself as merciful and generous overlord toying around with the "mortals" until the reach the end, where I'll deliver the final blow. :smallbiggrin:

HalfTangible

2013-02-16, 12:27 AM

Or I could have you guys come across a deep abandoned city...filled with incredibly detailed stone statues of dragons...or perhaps have you guys successfully negotiate with a drow in her own home...

Your things sound like incredible fun though.

When I played DnD, I would throw random things onto my characters mid-game to try and shock the other players. Some highlights:

-My hobgoblin druid wanted to be a prostitute
-Dropkicking a gnome over fence
-Setting myself on fire to get rid of ticks (this one got me killed, but everyone was laughing so hard it was worth it)
-A druid I was playing was secretly a blackguard... thaaaaat fell in love with the party paladin for no apparent reason. (Turned out said Paladin was actually an angel) [The secretly being a blackguard was planned ahead of time. Falling in love with the paladin/angel? Not so much]
-Pretending to be a revenant, come to smite a man for eating his daughter alive (said man never had a child, so he just sort of stared at me and asked if I was high)
-Attempting a rap battle against a beholder (guess how THAT ended... wrong, the beholder's head exploded)

... I might've made some of those up

Athedia

2013-02-16, 12:45 AM

My group once needed to get close to someone to kill them. So we kinda sorta forced another character (one of my friends) into prostitution. And sold her... when the paladin found out he bought her back, in exchange for the promise she would give up drinking (character was an alcoholic)

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-16, 12:47 AM

Athedia

2013-02-16, 12:49 AM

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-16, 12:53 AM

Well... she had left the table for a little since her character was passed out in a bar.... She was cool with it though.

She was the DM for my 2nd ed game. We played with Charisma split into Charisma and Comeliness and she let me use my 17 Comeliness character to flirt my way into anything.

Pffft. Oh god. That sounds hilarious. And good on her! How successful were you with that?

How did the split work?

(Also, do you know what's going on IC? I do, but just wondering if you do as well.)

Athedia

2013-02-16, 01:00 AM

Some idea, I think Shiny went off on the quest by himself.

Since we are at a table when we split the DM asks us as we go around what each of us would like to do, then plays a little with one group before moving onto another. If someone attempts to talk to someone that they are not near, the message still gets heard, because it is shouted across the town. We got kicked out of a town once for that.

EDIT: As for how it went. We got what we needed.
EDIT2: As for more campaign talk message me.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-16, 01:02 AM

Silverraptor

2013-02-16, 04:27 AM

Or I could have you guys come across a deep abandoned city...filled with incredibly detailed stone statues of dragons...or perhaps have you guys successfully negotiate with a drow in her own home...

Your things sound like incredible fun though.

We should totally play a DnD game again together. In fact, I haven't played DnD for a long while. I would like to start up again.

Admiral Harkov

2013-02-16, 06:41 AM

Heh, nice stories.

I wonder if in table top is like in NWN (CRPGO) and giving results whether rolls fail or succeed hav funny effects.

I was DM in a module for a bit and, since I'm evil DM, in a spot roll (or any skill roll that can work that way) I didn't say "you see what you need if your roll beat the DC and nothing if your roll didn't", but "if your search was enough I'll tell you what relevant thing you noticed; but if it's not enough, I'll tell you notice something that's worthless". That meant some times the quest dragged on and on, but some times it was amusing.

One time a group of PCs stumble upon the corpse of a recently murdered man in the woods. They investigate. "Roll search". *Not enough*. "Okay, you notice there is a really big bee hovering by the tree closer to you". Cue the party's druid interrogating the bee. I decided to cut them some slack for amusement points and let the bee have passed something relevant and hint the way to keep looking (in an obviously very vague manner, since animals aren't supposed to grasp any complex concept in FR). Unfortunately it had become so late I had to log and there wasn't the chance to follow up :(; but I found it amusing how the players would work with whatever I told them even if it should've been more than obvious that the roll was a failure and hence, my answer was random useless things, that should be recognized like such by their characters. But it was also something that allowed for some fun moments and good playing by them. Like the instance exposed, which was much fun and good played, actually.

Lix Lorn

2013-02-16, 10:40 AM

We should totally play a DnD game again together.
Totally seconded.

SamBurke

2013-02-16, 11:06 AM

Totally seconded.

Totally infinity'd.

Miopic

2013-02-16, 12:12 PM

Totally infinity'd.

I'm in for this is it happens

super dark33

2013-02-16, 12:36 PM

We should totally play a DnD game again together.

Oh yeah.
It's time to put this knowledge to use again.

SamBurke

2013-02-16, 01:00 PM

Oh yeah.
It's time to put this knowledge to use again.

But this time, we need to have COFFEE DM it. Or Alagesian, I suppose... :smallbiggrin:

Seriously, though.

Asta Kask

2013-02-16, 01:14 PM

Seriously? Coffee is studying at college and writing and drawing a webcomic. My guess is that the only way you'd get her to DM would be to convince her that sleeping is for losers.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-16, 01:18 PM

Seriously? Coffee is studying at college and writing and drawing a webcomic. My guess is that the only way you'd get her to DM would be to convince her that sleeping is for losers.

Asta's right. I'm already in one PbP and that's enough.

SamBurke

2013-02-16, 01:52 PM

Seriously? Coffee is studying at college and writing and drawing a webcomic. My guess is that the only way you'd get her to DM would be to convince her that sleeping is for losers.

I wasn't serious about Coffee, no.

Though I once had a lecturer proclaim, repeatedly, that we should listen to him because "Sleep is for the dead." And I quoth.

I could have pointed out Animate Dead, but decided not to.

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-16, 02:01 PM

sleeping is for losers.

That's my motto :smalltongue:

Lix Lorn

2013-02-16, 03:26 PM

I wasn't serious about Coffee, no.

Though I once had a lecturer proclaim, repeatedly, that we should listen to him because "Sleep is for the dead." And I quoth.

I could have pointed out Animate Dead, but decided not to.
Liliana agrees. (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=244245)

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-19, 11:50 PM

Prelim week+Fire Emblem=Little time to work on the comic. Last prelim's next Tuesday, so expect an update by the middle-end of next week. I'm really sorry, guys.

Elemental

2013-02-20, 12:26 AM

Perfectly understandable. Don't sacrifice your education on our account.
After all, we're not paying you anything.

MoleMage

2013-02-20, 02:05 AM

Plus Fire Emblem is awesome.

CWater

2013-02-20, 04:19 AM

Yeah, education comes first:smallsmile:

Also, I sympathise with your hurry -_-
...I wish I had your motivation myself.

SamBurke

2013-02-20, 11:38 AM

Yeah, education comes first:smallsmile:

Also, I sympathise with your hurry -_-
...I wish I had your motivation myself.

I know, right? She's so motivated...

Silverraptor

2013-02-20, 02:05 PM

Prelim week+Fire Emblem=Little time to work on the comic. Last prelim's next Tuesday, so expect an update by the middle-end of next week. I'm really sorry, guys.

We can wait. Fire Emblem is very, very important.:smalltongue:

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-20, 04:35 PM

We can wait. Fire Emblem is very, very important.:smalltongue:

Very, very, very, very, very important! You forgot about 3 verys :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-20, 07:47 PM

So who else thinks this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPTamRd4n1M&list=PLC5AE6E1EEA630D30) would double as Rust's theme pretty well?

Asta Kask

2013-02-20, 08:04 PM

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV43HVl59c0)

Here I sit on watch,
guarding the house,
defending the hall from the foe.

The wind wafts
Gibich's son
on his way to woo a wife.
His helmsman is
a hero bold
who will defy danger for him.
His own bride
he brings back to the Rhine;
but to me he brings - the ring!
You sons of freedom,
cheerful companions,
gaily sail away!
Though you deem him base,
you will yet serve
the Niblung's son.

CWater

2013-02-21, 12:11 AM

So who else thinks this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPTamRd4n1M&list=PLC5AE6E1EEA630D30) would double as Rust's theme pretty well?

Not bad, sounds sinister enough:smallamused:

Themrys

2013-02-21, 04:36 AM

Janine is, in my mind anyway, a very frustrating person to deal with. With what happened to her when she was growing up, it left her emotionally vulnerable, so she seeks out intimacy to prove her own worth even when it really doesn't. I think that because of everything, Janine doesn't really understand what friendship is.

What exactly happened to her?

I got the impression that she was sexually abused or raped, for a long time repeatedly. She is completely messed up.
It's kind of common for women to measure their self-worth in terms of attractiveness, but she seems willing to kiss men who aren't attractive to her just to "prove her worth".
Which is not normal, even for someone who has grown up in a world that objectifies women, and who feels very insecure.

But it seems the man who has done that to her is just considered "dangerously possessive", not a criminal of the worst sort? How can that be?

I sympathize with Janine in that discussion, and honestly cannot understand how someone can talk like this to her when all she did was sleep with a man who was willing; even though it might not have been a wise decision.
Normally you would expect the person who hasn't been through a breakup to be wiser, but after what happened to Janine she can't be expected to make sensible decisions for other people.

Now, her molesting men is different, she should be called out on that, and I would actually understand anger in that context. But this doesn't seem to be what happened.

Draconi Redfir

2013-02-21, 04:46 AM

What exactly happened to her?

I got the impression that she was sexually abused or raped, for a long time repeatedly. She is completely messed up.
It's kind of common for women to measure their self-worth in terms of attractiveness, but she seems willing to kiss men who aren't attractive to her just to "prove her worth".
Which is not normal, even for someone who has grown up in a world that objectifies women, and who feels a bit insecure.

But it seems the man who has done that to her is just considered "dangerously possessive", not a criminal of the worst sort? How can that be?

Pretty much sums it up. i believe what happened is that she was told it was the only good thing she was good at the entire time, with it being the only sort of reinforcement she got as she was growing up, it became burned into her mind that "if it came up so much it must be true!" or the like.

As for the final question, most likely he prevented her from telling anybody, or anyone who was aware of the relationship, was not aware enough to know what was fully going on, and just assumed he was over protective or the like from what they did in public.

They were also both clerics, so some "god says it's okay" shenanigans may also be involved.

Themrys

2013-02-21, 04:51 AM

As for the final question, most likely he prevented her from telling anybody, or anyone who was aware of the relationship, was not aware enough to know what was fully going on, and just assumed he was over protective or the like from what they did in public.

Probably. It's just that ... if I can deduce from what she talks like that she has been raped/abused then why can't a cleric whose job seems to be healing people, see that?
Okay, maybe he's only healing bodies and doesn't want to see the truth for some reason. Of course my deduction can be wrong, but I think he should have asked what exactly happened after she told him what this Johan did to her.

I do hope she gets some help soon. Not just accusations, not even explanations. It is obvious explanations aren't enough to change her messed-up way of thinking.

Draconi Redfir

2013-02-21, 04:57 AM

There's always a degree of tue-seeing when it comes to readers of a story, we can see how characters act in private, and can take our knowledge from that. however in public the character may act very differently, and any times their privacy was interupted, it may warrent nothing more then an odd look and an assumtion they were merely doing something the interupter was unaware of.

For example assume darth vader loved kittens, so much so that his private quarters is filled to the brim in the small felines, wich he spends all of his free time cuddling and playing with. He's still the exact same darth vader we and the rest of the star wars cast are aware of, it's just that when nobody is looking, he likes to cuddle kittens.

Clistenes

2013-02-21, 05:33 AM

What exactly happened to her?

I got the impression that she was sexually abused or raped, for a long time repeatedly. She is completely messed up.
It's kind of common for women to measure their self-worth in terms of attractiveness, but she seems willing to kiss men who aren't attractive to her just to "prove her worth".
Which is not normal, even for someone who has grown up in a world that objectifies women, and who feels very insecure.

But it seems the man who has done that to her is just considered "dangerously possessive", not a criminal of the worst sort? How can that be?

For what I've read, I got the impression that orc, Quark,had her as a slave or something while she was a child, and he was the first to abuse her and teach her that she was good only as a sexual object. Later, when she was fourteen she met the priest guy, Johan, who at the beginning was nice to her, taught her how to be a cleric, gained her trust...and then pressured her into having sex, telling her that he would kick her out if she didn't comply, reinforcing her idea that people would want her only for sex.

Johan probably was careful enough that he couldn't be accused of rape, just of having sex with female novices (he used brainwashing, emotional blackmail and the threat of kicking out Janine and Roxy, not overt violence).

Mina Kobold

2013-02-21, 07:24 AM

I sympathize with Janine in that discussion, and honestly cannot understand how someone can talk like this to her when all she did was sleep with a man who was willing; even though it might not have been a wise decision.
Normally you would expect the person who hasn't been through a breakup to be wiser, but after what happened to Janine she can't be expected to make sensible decisions for other people.

I think Radic's anger was at the fact that Aludean was emotionally vulnerable and probably feeling at fault for the relationship ending (My understanding of "getting over a bad breakup", but I could easily be miustaken. ^_^') and Janine implied having used this to get sex. Essentially, Janine was reinforcing the idea that Aludean was only useful for sex and never for anything more.

While indeed, Janine very much deserves sympathy and comfort (I really wish I could hug fictional characters now! >_<), that does not make the actions excusable. Janine broke Radic's trust and tried to gain something from someone, while knowing that their emotional state would make it difficult for them to say no. What has happened to Janine is a much greater wrong, but we need rights to fix that, not to ignore the smaller wrong. :smallsmile:

Themrys

2013-02-21, 09:33 AM

I think Radic's anger was at the fact that Aludean was emotionally vulnerable and probably feeling at fault for the relationship ending (My understanding of "getting over a bad breakup", but I could easily be miustaken. ^_^') and Janine implied having used this to get sex. Essentially, Janine was reinforcing the idea that Aludean was only useful for sex and never for anything more.

I'm not sure whether Janine really wanted sex in the first place. She is so messed up I can imagine that she slept with him to get him to trust her, she said that "worked".

He was emotionally vulnerable, but then, so is she, all the time. And she doesn't even seem to be able to understand that a man might actually want to say "no", so I don't think she consciously took advantage of his vulnerability.

Of course she has, if I recall correctly, done some things that could be called molestation, but calling her a slut is the wrong course of action here. That's not what "slut" usually means.

@Clistenes: I can't even remember an orc - read the first part of the comic too long ago I guess. But yeah, that does make sense. Slavery would mess her up like this.

Asta Kask

2013-02-21, 11:20 AM

Someone needs to supply Serrin with a Mass Orgy spell and a lot of dwarven beer.

ETA: I wonder if the team would be powerful enough to stop Darth Rosenberg?

SamBurke

2013-02-21, 11:32 AM

Someone needs to supply Serrin with a Mass Orgy spell and a lot of dwarven beer.

ETA: I wonder if the team would be powerful enough to stop Darth Rosenberg?

You meant to say Janine, right...?

Right? :smalleek:

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 11:47 AM

SamBurke

2013-02-21, 12:07 PM

I suppose I should have known Lix would want that spell...

HalfTangible

2013-02-21, 12:12 PM

I suppose I should have known Lix would want that spell...

I'd've thought Lix would've been the one to invent that spell... or at least she would have already had it

SamBurke

2013-02-21, 12:24 PM

I'd've thought Lix would've been the one to invent that spell... or at least she would have already had it
I presumed the word "mass" was new.

Asta Kask

2013-02-21, 12:35 PM

You meant to say Janine, right...?

Right? :smalleek:

Janine doesn't need the spell. She needs serious therapy.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-21, 12:39 PM

All will be clear in the prequel~! But seriously, I love you guys and your analyses.

Asta Kask

2013-02-21, 01:52 PM

I do themes instead of analyses.

Lloyd Zephyr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f13rDfQNf0Q)

Like a blade of a sword I am forged in flame
Fiery hot
Tempered steel fire-bright to the night I take
I fear not
Now compelled by something I cannot see
I go forth surrendering to history

Your glory, I swear I ride for thee
Your power, I trust it rides with me
Your servant, I am and ever shall I be

Through a dream
I have a come to an ancient door
Lost in the mist
I have been there a hundred times or more
Pounding my fists
Now inside, the fire of the ancient burns
A boy goes in and suddenly a man returns

I gave my word and gained a key
I gave my heart and set it free
There's no turning back from this odyssey
Because I feel so alive suddenly
And I wonder, is this really me?

Love theme for Radic and Matt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_RKO5ozLVo)

I gotta tell you what I'm feelin' inside, I could lie to myself, but it's true
There's no denying when I look in your eyes, girl I'm out of my head over you
I lived so long believin' all love is blind
But everything about you is tellin' me this time

[Chorus:]
It's forever, this time I know and there's no doubt in my mind
Forever, until my life is thru, girl I'll be lovin' you forever

I hear the echo of a promise I made
When you're strong you can stand on your own
But those words grow distant as I look at your face
No, I don't wanna go it alone
I never thought I'd lay my heart on the line
But everything about you is tellin' me this time

[chorus] - yeah!

I see my future when I look in your eyes
It took your love to make my heart come alive
Cos I lived my life believin' all love is blind
But everything about you is tellin' me this time

Tinder's Theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ITf7u4XRA)

Give me your gold
Gold, gold
Gold, gold
Gold, gold
Gold

Blue moon is walking
These lips are smoking
Big time disaster
My heart gets faster

My pot is melting
Doctors consulting
Destiny
Give it to me

This is your show
And it's old and it's a wonder
This day I give it to you
Give it to you

Give me your gold
Give me your gold

You got a nugget in your pocket
Got a nugget in your hand
You got a nugget in your pocket
Got a nugget for a grand

So forget your hesitation
Take a dozen invitation
Like it's for a great confusion
Like it's for a grand illusion

Clouds, love, stars, colors

Goldrush Goldrush, rush

You got a nugget in your pocket
Got a nugget in your hand
You got a nugget in your pocket
Got a nugget for a grand

So forget your hesitation
Take a dozen invitation
Like it's for a great confusion
Like it's for a grand illusion

Clouds, love, stars, colors

Gold

Take it into the night

Gold

Thoughts?

CWater

2013-02-21, 04:08 PM

I approve of the metallishness of the first two:smallbiggrin::smallamused:

HalfTangible

2013-02-21, 08:55 PM

I presumed the word "mass" was new.

It's a frikken ORGY spell! Of course it's mass! How do you do a single-target orgy spell?!

Don't answer that.

enderlord99

2013-02-21, 09:04 PM

What's the difference between something being implicit or explicit?

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 09:06 PM

It's a frikken ORGY spell! Of course it's mass! How do you do a single-target orgy spell?!
Well, I'd assume-

Don't answer that.
Aww.

enderlord99

2013-02-21, 09:13 PM

I'm guessing that word is considered PG13 because it occasionally means "big party in Ancient Rome," even though that's clearly not what you're talking about?

I'm guessing it's also okay to use the word "intercourse" whenever we want, and it would still be okay for this forum, because it could be used to mean "conversation?"

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 09:29 PM

I'm guessing that there's more leeway when it's related to the subject, and if you try to game the system, they come down on you like a tonne of bricks. :smallmad:

enderlord99

2013-02-21, 09:43 PM

I'm guessing that there's more leeway when it's related to the subject, and if you try to game the system, they come down on you like a tonne of bricks. :smallmad:

I'm not claiming that the rules are too strict, or too lax; nor do I plan to "game the system," as you put it. However, I would appreciate if the rules were more consistent in how strict or lax they are. I would also like all the rules to be publicly posted, rather than just the ones currently here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?a=1). I mean, as it is, sometimes I feel like I'm playing Mao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(game))!:smallannoyed:

Mutant Sheep

2013-02-21, 09:47 PM

I'm not claiming that the rules are too strict, or too lax; nor do I plan to "game the system," as you put it. However, I would appreciate if the rules were more consistent in how strict or lax they are. I would also like all the rules to be publicly posted, rather than just the ones currently here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/announcement.php?a=1). I mean, as it is, sometimes I feel like I'm playing Mau!:smallannoyed:

Well, moderators are people, and people vary. It is expected they use impartial judgement, but people are hardly consistant in anything we do. What rules manage to sneak up on you that aren't mentioned in the Forum Rules page you linked?

enderlord99

2013-02-21, 09:53 PM

What rules manage to sneak up on you that aren't mentioned in the Forum Rules page you linked?

I don't know! If I did, there wouldn't be a problem, would there?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-21, 10:04 PM

Guys, come on...

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 10:09 PM

I think Coffee would prefer we not argue about Our Benevolent Overlords in her thread. On the most basic level, it's not what the thread is for.

Coffee! Totally random question caused by my latest obsession, are oozes around in... my memory is telling me Aequar?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-21, 10:31 PM

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 10:33 PM

I like oozes! I could link my stuff about them, but it'd be unfair to hijack the thread. Also it's mildly not boardsafe.

Anything special about Aequarian oozes? :smalltongue:

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-21, 10:34 PM

I like oozes! I could link my stuff about them, but it'd be unfair to hijack the thread. Also it's mildly not boardsafe.

Anything special about Aequarian oozes? :smalltongue:

Uh, no? Not that I know of.

Lix Lorn

2013-02-21, 10:38 PM

This is clearly a MAJOR hole in your cosmology! :smalltongue: You should definitely invent something right now.

Or, yknow, ignore the silly Lixie. Either works. :smallwink:

Silverraptor

2013-02-21, 11:34 PM

I think Coffee would prefer we not argue about Our Benevolent Overlords in her thread. On the most basic level, it's not what the thread is for.

Shhhh! Lix! You're not suppose to- "There is no mind control citizen. Go back to your fun."

Elemental

2013-02-21, 11:51 PM

Yeah, it's Aequar. And yeah, there probably are...why?

Of course there are. Sooner or later, some wizard's bound to try and create a new minion. How else do all these creatures that can only exist through crazy magic come into existence?

MoleMage

2013-02-22, 12:20 AM

Of course there are. Sooner or later, some wizard's bound to try and create a new minion. How else do all these creatures that can only exist through crazy magic come into existence?

Wizards aren't the only sources of crazy magic. Don't forget insane gods and random variances in ambient magic levels.

And sorcerers.

Which reminds me of an idea I had once where an epic-level wizard was always wanting to create new life forms, but to research epic spells of that magnitude is ridiculous (it takes something like four seeds). So he would just round up all the low-level spellcasters he could and make a big circle of people giving up 1st or 2nd level spell slots to mitigate the high DC for the spell. And whenever anyone got uppity he'd throw off some high level spell to demonstrate how he could erase them from ever existing and yell "Get back in the circle!"

Tangent on a tangent.

Asta Kask

2013-02-22, 03:08 AM

super dark33

2013-02-22, 03:34 AM

Octopuskitten? Hawkpike? Tardigrade-shark?

Tigerpig. Most definitely Tigerpig.

Draconi Redfir

2013-02-22, 04:04 AM

This is amusing. xD Can I quote part of it?

Be my guest!:smallbiggrin:

Asta Kask

2013-02-22, 07:26 AM

Rust's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfmrX_WlM2w)

I was there through the ages
Chained slaves to their cages
I have seen you eat your own
I'm the cycle of pain
Of a thousand year old reign
I'm suicide and salvation
The omen to nations
That you worship on all fours
I'm the infection and famine
That's knocking at your door
That's why you're feeling so

Unholy
Oh, I was created by man, you know I'm....
Unholy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I am the incubus
I lay the egg in you
The worm that burrows
Through your brain
But you are the beast
That calls me by my name

You send your children to war
To serve bastards and whores
So now you know
You created me

On the day that you were born

Unholy
I was created by man,
yeah I'm the Lord of the flies, you know I'm

From the left hand of power comes the father of lies
- Unholy!

[Instrumental break]

I lay you down to sleep
Your soul to keep
Better cross your heart before you die
And now you know
Know that you are mine

That's why you're feeling so
Unholy, Unholy, Unholy - Unholy!!

Edit: Why WaterCW likes my choices:

http://i.imgur.com/zRDq4.png

How do I get the image smaller?

SamBurke

2013-02-22, 01:50 PM

It's so true, Asta. All the best ones are from the Baltic states... At least the songs are usually in English. :smallbiggrin:

Mina Kobold

2013-02-22, 02:10 PM

What's the difference between something being implicit or explicit?

Implicit is implied, but not stated outright (ie. you have to read between the lines). Explicit is directly stated, usually without obfuscation. :smallsmile:

In this case, it is explicit that Mass Orgy refers to sex involving multiple people, but everything beyond that is implicit. I think it is kind of like how one can talk about a war without getting into explicitly describing violence. ^_^'

I'm guessing that word is considered PG13 because it occasionally means "big party in Ancient Rome," even though that's clearly not what you're talking about?

I'm guessing it's also okay to use the word "intercourse" whenever we want, and it would still be okay for this forum, because it could be used to mean "conversation?"

If you mean the forum filters, they are supposed to filter swearing. Intercourse and orgy can refer to sex, but are not considered vulgar, while the name of a certain white whale is (Filters cannot tell context, sadly). ^_^

On the topic of orgies, apparently the Danish equivalent (Orgie) can refer to a wild party, a feast of alcohol, and a secret religious worship (primarily those celebrating Dionysus), but not sex. How Roman-tic! X3

Octopuskitten? Hawkpike? Tardigrade-shark?

A part toadstool, part toad? A Toadtoad!

Or a three-dimensional porcupine? Those being the second, sixth and 42nd dimensions, of course. :3

Anitar

2013-02-22, 08:09 PM

I'm pretty sure the combo-beast you're looking for is the Hawktopus. It has eight wings, vicious talons, and a fun name.

MoleMage

2013-02-22, 08:24 PM

I'm pretty sure the combo-beast you're looking for is the Hawktopus. It has eight wings, vicious talons, and a fun name.

This may be the best possible animal combination possible. That's twice as much possible as normal animal combinations.

Asta Kask

2013-02-23, 08:05 AM

Good. Now we need a picture of the fearsome Hawktopus.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-23, 11:39 AM

Mina Kobold

2013-02-23, 12:07 PM

Well I had one of the worst possible ways to wake up this morning (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/mit-lockdown-man-body-armour-gun) (my best friend goes to MIT and I was up before the all clear report went out).

Eep! Glad your friend was not in danger, but that is a terrible thing to wake up to! ;_;

Hope the rest of the day will have much less scary surprises and news. :smallsmile:

Asta Kask

2013-02-23, 12:48 PM

Well, let's hope the day can't get worse.

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-23, 12:51 PM

Well, let's hope the day can't get worse.

No, no, don't say that! Whenever you say that, things do get worse!

Coffee, I hope the rest of your day goes better. That sounds terrifying. :smalleek:

Lix Lorn

2013-02-23, 04:21 PM

Meep. I hope so too. :smalleek:

SamBurke

2013-02-23, 05:09 PM

No, no, don't say that! Whenever you say that, things do get worse!

Coffee, I hope the rest of your day goes better. That sounds terrifying. :smalleek:

Coffee, I will be praying for you. I hope your... you know what, I'm not even going to tempt fate.

Break a... :smalleek:

NOPE. NOT EVEN ONCE.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-23, 05:11 PM

Haha, thanks. I just talked to him and everything's okay. But seriously, thank you all. :smallsmile:

Silverraptor

2013-02-23, 05:27 PM

Thats good to hear. I've been through many lockdowns myself, and its always a little nerve-racking. Glad it worked out.:smallsmile:

SamBurke

2013-02-23, 05:33 PM

Thats good to hear. I've been through many lockdowns myself, and its always a little nerve-racking. Glad it worked out.:smallsmile:

How common are they out where you are?

Qwertystop

2013-02-23, 05:38 PM

Thats good to hear. I've been through many lockdowns myself, and its always a little nerve-racking. Glad it worked out.:smallsmile:

Where I went to 5th grade, they happened maybe twice a week for a few weeks because of high-schoolers trying to get out of... I can't remember if it was midterms or finals. They put up bomb-threat posters and such, and everyone had to run out.

This wasn't something that would have affected us (different building, down the street), except that the place the high school evacuated to was the recess-area for the 4th-and-5th-grade school (still not sure why there was a separate building for that), and some former students would always come up to our class to say hi to the teacher.

Asta Kask

2013-02-23, 06:34 PM

Haha, thanks. I just talked to him and everything's okay. But seriously, thank you all. :smallsmile:

Is this one of the Twins?

Silverraptor

2013-02-23, 10:27 PM

How common are they out where you are?

I have alot of memories of lockdowns.

First one I was in, I was in 2nd grade and didn't know what a lockdown was. Schoold never taught me before hand. It was recess, and suddenly the bells were going off earlier than normal, and they were going off constantly rather than a few seconds. I was confused, but was making my way back to my class, which was on the opposite side of the campus. Some random teacher was yelling at me from her door incoherently, as well as at other students around me. I contined toward where my class when suddenly I felt myself being dragged into the teachers classroom, where I've never been before. I kept trying to say that my classroom and teacher were on the opposite side of the campus, but I kept being shushed at. Then the lights were turned off and I was shoved under a desk with 3 other students I didn't know, but they were 4th and 5th graders atleast. I had no idea what was going on, since the school decided to, oh, forego teaching me what a lockdown was in kindergarden or 1st grade.:smallannoyed: The cause of the lockdown, some 5th graders decided that it would be a good idea to throw some rocks at a beehive they found just off campus through the chainlink fence.

Most other lockdowns happened when a robbery or a suspect happened in the area. These happened atleast 1 or twice every 2 years. Then there was one lockdown in middle school when it started hailing heavy, though that was probably more for the PE classes outside than the rest of us (Where I'm at, hail and snow don't exist.)

And then, twice in high school, same year, once in each semester. The school was placed in lockdown because the police got an anonymous phone call twice that a student had a gun in their backpack. Both times happened when I was in geometry class. Both time happened when we were in the middle of a major test. And both times, the teacher told us we'd take the test the next day, and didn't change it at all, so we got the same questions where we could study and prepare for that night. The calls were faked, but swat was called in both times. It was humourous one time where the students in my class were texting their friends in the music department, the place one of the gun's were rumored to be, and were starting to panic that their friends weren't responding back. After 10 minutes of them freaking out, I finally said, "Guys. The police are probably there and searching their bags. So of course they won't respond back to you."

So yeah, I'm no stranger to lockdowns.:smallamused:

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 02:40 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

Silverraptor

2013-02-24, 02:42 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

*Raises hand*

Though, if we want technicality, I think I already did this once.:smalltongue:

Mina Kobold

2013-02-24, 02:52 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

Don't know how many others, but I would certainly love to. ^_^

Athedia

2013-02-24, 02:56 PM

If you would take me...

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 02:59 PM

*Raises hand*

Though, if we want technicality, I think I already did this once.:smalltongue:

Heh, yeah, but Aequar proper.

Don't know how many others, but I would certainly love to. ^_^

Thank you.

If you would take me...

Of course I would. I'd take anybody, though I think only you and Admiral, maybe Cavelcade would accept.

Asta Kask

2013-02-24, 02:59 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

I'd give it a try. What rules are we using?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 03:02 PM

I'd give it a try. What rules are we using?

3.5/homebrew for Aequar, maybe a touch of pathfinder? It would be a relatively short city campaign with a plot but with lots of optional sidequests. It would take place in Runite about 100 years before Murphy's Law.

Athedia

2013-02-24, 03:07 PM

I have an idea for a city campaign that I have wanted to try out for a bit. A bounty hunter (ranger focusing on cities). Would that work?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 03:10 PM

I have an idea for a city campaign that I have wanted to try out for a bit. A bounty hunter (ranger focusing on cities). Would that work?

Of course it would. And that would actually work out pretty well.

I'll be playing an elven necromancer. Don't worry, I think I know how to handle a DMPC. He'll just be support, flavor, and there to help you guys out if you get really stuck. And if I'm getting too overbearing, don't be afraid to smack me over the head. Oh, and those of you who are playing will get a special treat: Unless things go completely pear-shaped, the campaign might become part of the Aequar canon. :smallwink:

Of course, I'll still be doing this comic.

Asta Kask

2013-02-24, 03:15 PM

Oh, we'll find some way to screw up. No campaign survives first contact with the players. :smallsmile:

Silverraptor

2013-02-24, 03:26 PM

Sweet!:smallbiggrin: Let me know when your starting.:smallsmile:

Lix Lorn

2013-02-24, 03:38 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?
Me me me me me :smallbiggrin:

Asta Kask

2013-02-24, 03:39 PM

3.5/homebrew for Aequar, maybe a touch of pathfinder? It would be a relatively short city campaign with a plot but with lots of optional sidequests. It would take place in Runite about 100 years before Murphy's Law.

Pathfinder is better balanced, although the Cleric, Druid and Wizard classes are still far ahead of the rest. I'd recommend level somewhere between 5 and 9 which is what most people consider the 'sweet spot' of the system.

But before you decide, remember that sleep is good.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 03:40 PM

It wouldn't be for a few weeks anyway. And I like a very rapid posting style.

Miopic

2013-02-24, 03:50 PM

as I asked before may I be in, gnome bard all the way! also I am unfamiliar with aequar may I have a link to something of it

Asta Kask

2013-02-24, 03:52 PM

That would be the world of Murphy's Law.

Dusk Eclipse

2013-02-24, 04:07 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

Me!!!!!!!!

Maquise

2013-02-24, 04:17 PM

I'm probably too late to the party this time around, but I do think it would be interesting.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 04:21 PM

Heh, thanks. Wow, I really wasn't expecting this much of a response.

I won't be able to do anything for a week and a half, maybe two weeks, but I'm not doing more than 5 players. I might post a recruitment thread with more details tonight.

super dark33

2013-02-24, 04:42 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

Yes.

Time to make a world fear me :smallamused:.
:smalltongue:

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-24, 06:19 PM

I just noticed that Radic says by Gaia, that's a nice touch. I probably should go back and reread the whole thing and see what little things I've missed.

Asta Kask

2013-02-24, 06:58 PM

It wouldn't be for a few weeks anyway. And I like a very rapid posting style.

Would that make it difficult for me (who live in a very different time zone) to participate? I mean, would most of the posting take place in the middle of the night for me?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 08:03 PM

Would that make it difficult for me (who live in a very different time zone) to participate? I mean, would most of the posting take place in the middle of the night for me?

No, not at all. I like roleplaying anyway.

I just noticed that Radic says by Gaia, that's a nice touch. I probably should go back and reread the whole thing and see what little things I've missed.

Heheh, yep. That's the earth god, whom Radic worships.

Devmaar

2013-02-24, 08:17 PM

Hey, out of curiosity, how many of you guys would want to play a game set in Aequar?

I would be but I wouldn't hesitate to cede a place to the people who actually post in this thread.

I suppose this should be my traditional 1/thread(ish) post to say I'm still following and loving the comic.

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-24, 08:19 PM

Heheh, yep. That's the earth god, whom Radic worships.

That's why I thought it was such a nice touch, it does make thematic sense for a druid to worship gaia. I'd do it in my irl game but I doubt we're ever going to play again because of all these scheduling and other issues :smallfrown:.

SamBurke

2013-02-24, 10:47 PM

Heh, yeah, but Aequar proper.

Thank you.

Of course I would. I'd take anybody, though I think only you and Admiral, maybe Cavelcade would accept.

I AM SO IN. SO IN. In, in, in.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 11:19 PM

Heh, wow, wasn't expecting this. Though there'll only be a few spots open. I'll make the 16 thread now.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-24, 11:40 PM

Okay, here's the recruitment thread. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14772539#post14772539) Please note I probably won't be able to start the game until next week at the earliest. Sorry.

Athedia

2013-02-25, 12:24 AM

You have to review the characters too.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-25, 12:44 AM

Of course I will.

OoTLink

2013-02-25, 02:33 AM

lol I'd post interest but I barely know anything about DnD outside of OOTS, your comic, and well.. MUDs.. kinda. :elan: I don't think it'd be wise

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-25, 08:18 PM

lol I'd post interest but I barely know anything about DnD outside of OOTS, your comic, and well.. MUDs.. kinda. :elan: I don't think it'd be wise

Feh, Wise wisdom is for fools :smallbiggrin:. I probably have an irl wisdom of ~8 :smallwink:.

SamBurke

2013-02-25, 08:21 PM

Feh, Wise wisdom is for fools :smallbiggrin:. I probably have an irl wisdom of ~8 :smallwink:.

I believe I have similar Wisdom, actually. Not sure though.

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-25, 08:39 PM

Feh, Wise wisdom is for fools :smallbiggrin:. I probably have an irl wisdom of ~8 :smallwink:.

What the heck did I just write, I really need sleep :smallannoyed:... Wise wisdom?

R_G_R

2013-02-25, 08:50 PM

Woah I just read all of it and it was awesome...

Silverraptor

2013-02-25, 08:52 PM

What the heck did I just write, I really need sleep :smallannoyed:... Wise wisdom?

This post made me lol. Thank you.:smallbiggrin:

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-26, 01:49 AM

I would have volunteered to join the game, but everyone took all the spots first.

Oh well. Let me know if there's an unbalanced party, okay? I'm always willing to fill gaps.

Athedia

2013-02-26, 01:57 AM

Make a character, spots aren't guaranteed. Who knows Coffee might like yours best.

Asta Kask

2013-02-26, 06:23 AM

Make a character, spots aren't guaranteed. Who knows Coffee might like yours best.

DON'T make a character, you might crowd me out. :smalltongue:

SamBurke

2013-02-26, 11:03 AM

DON'T make a character, you might crowd me out. :smalltongue:

Psssssh. Asta, she said you had a reserved spot if you make a character. So no such danger! Come on, Purity! Join the fun! You know you want to. :smallwink:

Asta Kask

2013-02-26, 11:13 AM

I made a character, but it's not going in there. It didn't fit.

SamBurke

2013-02-26, 11:42 AM

I made a character, but it's not going in there. It didn't fit.

Uh... Try... another one? I dunno.

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-26, 12:41 PM

All right, all right, if you insist. :smalltongue: I think I've got an idea for a human ranger.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-26, 12:42 PM

I made a character, but it's not going in there. It didn't fit.

You can try again.

All right, all right, if you insist. :smalltongue: I think I've got an idea for a human ranger.

There's already a ranger in the group, I think. So far I've got one or two spots taken and two or three open, I think.

Athedia

2013-02-26, 12:42 PM

Except that. Human ranger is MINE! ALL MINE!

Asta Kask

2013-02-26, 12:44 PM

You can try again.

I'd be happy to, but what are you looking for? My plan with Dr Cornelius was to use my Heal skill as Forensics. Gathering evidence from bodies, etc. And kill stuff, obviously. :smallsmile:

What do we need? I'm fairly flexible so PM me with a suggestion and I'll build a character around it.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-26, 12:48 PM

I'd be happy to, but what are you looking for? My plan with Dr Cornelius was to use my Heal skill as Forensics. Gathering evidence from bodies, etc. And kill stuff, obviously. :smallsmile:

What do we need? I'm fairly flexible so PM me with a suggestion and I'll build a character around it.

No, that would work, it's just that I wasn't too sure about the personality.

Asta Kask

2013-02-26, 01:42 PM

Too flamboyant?

If I play down his foppishness and play up his compassion and sense of duty to the poor, would that work? He is a deeply pious man, it's just that he likes fine clothes and good wine. What are the precepts of Astrid anyway?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-26, 01:45 PM

It's because you're a mercenary group, part of a guild. Though you can still help the poor.

Asta Kask

2013-02-26, 02:08 PM

I see. I'll think about it and come back tomorrow.

PurityIcekiller

2013-02-26, 05:55 PM

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-26, 05:56 PM

I really didn't expect this to get such a response. You guys are amazing. I have an exam tonight, and then I'll work on the comic, try to get a few panels done.

SamBurke

2013-02-26, 05:59 PM

Aw, dang it. I'm pretty sure anything else I can come up with has already been taken too, and I don't know if I could do things better than those who have already applied. Oh well, I'll wait for another campaign unless a spot opens up later (I doubt any will).

There's lots of room if you want to be half tank half utility caster... it depends on what Coffee's build will do, I suppose.

McDouggal

2013-02-27, 07:14 AM

I'd sign up for this, but (a) I'm a lurker, and (b) my DND experience is pretty strictly 4th edition.

If you want me to play a meattank fighter, I'll see what I can do to roll one up. If you want me to play something much more complicated, I'll probably suck it up.

Unless it's primarily roleplay. I love roleplaying. :smallbiggrin:

*rereads big 16* oh, it's primarily roleplay, with some combat. -_- How the hell did I miss that? Imma work up a character concept over the next couple days.

SamBurke

2013-02-27, 09:34 AM

MonkOfAnarchy

2013-02-27, 05:46 PM

Dude wtf does your webcomic exist? Because all your links just link back to themselves

Crystalwind

2013-02-27, 06:06 PM

Dude wtf does your webcomic exist? Because all your links just link back to themselves

Huh. I tried some of the links and they worked just fine.

Silverraptor

2013-02-27, 06:41 PM

Dude wtf does your webcomic exist? Because all your links just link back to themselves

They all go to photobucket with the direct link.

Seer_of_Heart

2013-02-28, 09:35 PM

They all go to photobucket with the direct link.

They have been glitching for my friend, about 15% of the time it was not a direct link and took it to a weird photobucket page that was too small to read. :smallannoyed: Luckily clicking the link 2/3 times ended up getting a direct link but it was still odd.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-02-28, 09:47 PM

Okay, that is really weird. I'm not having any problem, so I'm not sure where it is. Maybe a server thing? I'm really sorry for the inconvenience, guys.

Crystalwind

2013-03-01, 01:52 AM

I just had this problem too. Just right click near the bottom of the image and click "view image" in the menu that appears (at least, I presume it would be called that even outside Firefox, but whatever browser you have, there's always going to be an option like that), and you get to the comic full-sized.

PurityIcekiller

2013-03-01, 03:52 AM

I've had a problem sort of like that, but only the first time I click the links. The second time, they work fine.

leakingpen

2013-03-01, 10:15 AM

i would sign up for the rpg, but im busy with school myself atm. sigh, calculus... But next time!

Zweisteine

2013-03-02, 11:35 PM

I too am having issues viewing the old comics. It seems that I am being redirected to the photobucket page for the images.
However, I can not do as Crystalwind suggested, as I am using an iPod touch to read the comic, and have no way to view the picture alone.

This is where I am redirected when I try to go to the first page: http://m909.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/caffeineincluded/WhyIHateFanserviceRedo.png.html?o=253

Othesemo

2013-03-02, 11:59 PM

I too am having issues viewing the old comics. It seems that I am being redirected to the photobucket page for the images.

I've had this problem as well. I solved it at the time by just zooming in, so it's not terribly pressing, but still something to check out.

M@XWeru

2013-03-03, 04:51 AM

Hey, glad to see this thing is still churning on. It's been a while since I was here, but at least one thing has remained. ;P

How much of this did you have planned out from that first 'fan service' comic anyway?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-03-03, 11:02 PM

Yep, I'm still plugging away. And..hm, I honestly can't remember anymore, heh!

Two and a half panels and text to go. I'm going to get this up tomorrow night.

Zweisteine

2013-03-04, 10:07 PM

Zooming in doesn't help me at all.

CoffeeIncluded

2013-03-04, 10:16 PM

That is really weird, and I'm sorry I can't help you.

EDIT: Are you using firefox?

New comic, finally! Hopefully this one won't have problems.

#207: Yes, She Actually Calls It That (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/YesSheActuallyCallsItThat_zps9d6fdf4f.png)

Savannah

2013-03-04, 10:20 PM

I suspect the problem is that you're using the link to the comic in your album, not the direct link for that image. The screen that I get from that latest comic link doesn't let me zoom in properly. If I click on "Direct Link" down to the bottom right, I get this (http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/caffeineincluded/YesSheActuallyCallsItThat_zps9d6fdf4f.png) which works properly.

enderlord99

2013-03-04, 10:35 PM

Serrin! Flaw in your logic:

You know what else is fun? Explosions.

...And we see how well that turned out, Miss I-can-fly-with-a-fireball-spell.

Mutant Sheep

2013-03-04, 10:39 PM

Randomguy

2013-03-04, 10:40 PM

Unicorn hunting license? ROFLMAO. :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin:

It certainly does explain Radic's reaction, though. Also, its nice to see Janine's problem finally being addressed.

EDIT: Hey, this was mentioned before in the last panel of this comic. (http://s909.beta.photobucket.com/user/caffeineincluded/media/MattsBestChance.png.html) And probably a few other times as well, I should re-read this.

Lix Lorn

2013-03-04, 10:57 PM

:smallfrown: That was... :smallfrown: Gah. "Free love is fun! That justifies whatever she did, even though I know that Janine has legitimate problems!" Liking sex and being Janine are very very different creatures.
That's what the comic said. Janine DOES have problems. But the things Radic shouted at her weren't about those problems. They seemed to be about sex.

Or so I would assume Serrin thinks.

Mutant Sheep

2013-03-04, 11:20 PM

That's what the comic said. Janine DOES have problems. But the things Radic shouted at her weren't about those problems. They seemed to be about sex.

Or so I would assume Serrin thinks.

Radic stepping down so easily to that argument just irks me, but that's because I would not take arguments given by a bleeding halfelf with jagged bits of metal in her back on something that "feels good" being good seriously.

They weren't about how sex is wrong, though. They were very angry statements on how Janine had slept with Radic's brother for little to no reason other than he was available, even if not initially willing. I don't even know how Serrin got the idea that Radic was denouncing sex, because I didn't read that. She didn't say anything about how sex was wrong, she said that Janine was "looser than rotten rope" and a slut, because she fits those descriptors pretty well. She isn't a flipped copper piece from a whore because the copper piece isn't even necessary. None of it was a condemnation of sex as recreation, it was objecting to Janine sleeping with anyone she feels the need to so that she can satisfy her own ego and sate her insecurities, objections or intentions of the other party be damned.

Serrin then came in and defended Janine with a Free Love argument, even though that is completely different than what Janine does. I think Radic was terrible cruel, and that those words had no need to be said. But "What other reason could you possibly need" does not justify Janine and I don't know how it could shut down Radic so easily. She didn't show any unreasonableness when it comes to sexuality, she just got very angry when she found out that Janine took advantage of her brother so she could feel better about herself. "Love and sex don't work like that" does not imply that Radic somehow doesn't know that sex is fun, and I don't see how being told that sex is fun could be a mind changing statement.
(Sorry about my constant editing. It's a problem.:smallsigh:)

Silverraptor

2013-03-04, 11:25 PM

Did Photobucket change how their images are linked now?:smallmad:

CoffeeIncluded

2013-03-05, 12:07 AM

That was a very good analysis, Mutant Sheep.

You're right. That's what Radic's condemnation was. But Serrin didn't hear that. All she witnessed was Radic calling Janine a slut, and Janine running out of the room crying. She didn't observe anything else. Radic backed down because she realized that she went a bit too far with what she said.

Crystalwind

2013-03-05, 12:31 AM

Mutant Sheep

2013-03-05, 12:41 AM

Wow. That was really mature of Radic, admitting that she had been too harsh mere minutes after she had gone over the edge. I'm impressed with her, and if I were in that situation and I got angry over that, I wouldn't be able to calm down and fess up that fast.

This is probably why I got so worked up. Radic is taking responsibility and avoiding conflict by not exasperating the issue. I would get more angry if an elf came in bleeding and started berating me over my angry reaction to information like that. But I have never liked the "it feels good, so it cant be wrong to do" argument, and in this case it doesn't even work because of widely divergent circumstances! I would be angrily defending myself (and probably insulting Serrin for jumping to the wrong conclusion and then yelling at me) instead of calming down and seeing how being an angry yelling lunatic doesn't help my case.:smallredface:

OoTLink

2013-03-05, 01:24 AM

@Crystalwind & Mutant Sheep: If you have enough experience at it, you can eventually see when you've flown off the handle on something and catch it before you do something really stupid. :smallbiggrin:

It takes practice though xD I'm guessing Radic has seen plenty of stress in her life. +1 to Serrin.

There are so many good metaphors for a unicorn hunting license - perhaps hunting for a mythical creature (your being of desire), or because you're just too busy doing other stuff. Some of my friends would acknowledge that I've asked them "What's so great about sex anyway?" xD

:sigh:

super dark33

2013-03-05, 01:39 AM

Curses on mobile photobucket!
No zoom!

Edit: and now it's fine.

Unicorn hunting liscense? Wait you NEED one of those?!

CWater

2013-03-05, 02:19 AM

*snip*
Hmm, yes, I agree with many points here. Radic's reaction...I don't know. It does not entirely not-make-sense (sorry for the confusing negations), but she seems to be able to calm down very quickly, after getting so worked up just a moment ago.
Then again, may it's just the whole sex discussion that bugs me. Probably an entirely personal thing, I've too often heard those arguments Serrin's making used in a very annoying way, so well...:smalltongue:

Also, the photobucket thing is annoying:smallmad: Someone there hasn't thought things through properly before making changes..

OoTLink

2013-03-05, 02:30 AM

Oh yea. I could make unicorns extinct if I keep the license any longer. xD

Asta Kask

2013-03-05, 09:29 AM

And I continue to post theme songs. Just because I can.

Janine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjBzzpI_744)

Matt (this is who he wants to be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjyVjMnD9s)

Radic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCObZ6Kodi0)

So, what do you think?

CoffeeIncluded

2013-03-05, 09:34 AM

Radic's always been pretty level-headed, which is why it didn't take much for her to realize she went off the handle and needed to apologize.

I think Serrin's main philosophy is, "Does it feel good? Do you want to do it? Does it not hurt anybody? Then what's holding you back?"

Asta Kask

2013-03-05, 10:02 AM

She's a wiccan? "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will" (An means If in this context)

Silverraptor

2013-03-05, 12:09 PM

Asta Kask

2013-03-05, 01:18 PM

A person can be sensible in her advice and yet clueless about herself.

Lix Lorn

2013-03-05, 01:20 PM

A person can be sensible in her advice and yet clueless about herself.
I can attest to this. I give good advice. DXD

Asta Kask

2013-03-05, 01:34 PM

A person can be sensible in her advice and yet clueless about herself.

I can attest to this. I give good advice. DXD

I wasn't going to say anything...

Crystalwind

2013-03-05, 08:25 PM

A person can be sensible in her advice and yet clueless about herself.

That basically sums up my life.

SamBurke

2013-03-06, 10:39 AM

I can attest to this. I give good advice. DXD

Advice about WHAT, though? :smallwink:

Seer_of_Heart

2013-03-06, 10:52 AM

Oh yea. I could make unicorns extinct if I keep the license any longer. xD

Are you a mage? http://mangafox.me/manga/boku_wa_tomodachi_ga_sukunai/v04/c017/18.html

:smalltongue:

Lix Lorn

2013-03-06, 11:39 AM

Advice about WHAT, though? :smallwink:
Most things, it seems. Mainly relationship advice, despite my susprising lack of experience.

Asta Kask

2013-03-06, 11:39 AM

Advice about WHAT, though? :smallwink:

English literature and hugs.

SamBurke

2013-03-06, 11:48 AM

English literature and hugs.

Ah, well! I should have known.

"Hugs." :smallbiggrin:

Asta Kask

2013-03-08, 08:17 PM

She can explain Chaucer to you while hugging you. Just imagine.