How to protect "My precious"

[Balor01]

No, not The ring, but a creature a very old green dragon is protecting.

First of all: HIGHEST SPELL/SPELLSLOT AVAILABLE IS LVL 5! LVL 5! THAT IS F-I-V-E.*

Anyway, you have a very old green dragon who realized a young human maiden can extend her life. No, maiden will not be eaten, it is enough for her to be visited by a dragon every week and aging process stops. (in fact, dragon will in time grow and get more power, it is only that death will not happen).

Now, such things have a habit of disappearing or being snatched away by white knights (easy to kill) and murderhobo adventurers (tough to kill).

How would a very old green dragon protect the maiden froom greedy little adventurers/paladins/her wannabe-adventurer brother/pesky silver dragon across the mountains/goblins who like shiny things and maidens, etc.

thanks





*Because during each and every of my threads people suggest lvl 9 spell solutions.

[Carth]

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20020920a

If you can extend it, you should be able to recast it daily for 24/7 uptime. Throw antidivination spells on top.

[GnomeGninjas]

Get an eternal wand of flesh to stone and another of stone to flesh. Turn her into a statue, then stone shape the walls of your cave around her. When you need her stone shape the walls back and use the stone to flesh wand.

Alternativly baleful polymorph (would require a scroll) the maiden in to a toad or something and give the toad a object, use locate object to find the object and there for the toad maiden, then use handle animal to get the toad to approach you (it walking up to you probably counts as visiting). At some point the toad will approach the end of it's life span, dismiss the baleful polymorph, kill the maiden, reincarnate and repeat.

[Balor01]

Get an eternal wand of flesh to stone and another of stone to flesh. Turn her into a statue, then stone shape the walls of your cave around her. When you need her stone shape the walls back and use the stone to flesh wand.

You, dear Illiterate sir, really piss (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Flesh_to_Stone) me (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Stone_to_Flesh) off.

Have it bolded. And enlarged.:

HIGHEST SPELL/SPELLSLOT AVAILABLE IS LVL 5! LVL 5! THAT IS F-I-V-E.

Also:


Mostly snakes, but also some birds, fish and even bigger toads will eat toads.

Nice.

Also, thanks Carth. I guess extending it would take spellslots higher then lvl 5, so no on that one, but generally this idea should be semi-doable. The only question is how to pull this off if dragon must be away for a week or two.

[Carth]

Hm, a very old green dragon looks to have a caster level of 11, so if you just give it a ring of arcane might, it can hit CL 12 for a 24 hour duration. If you're willing to use a spell clock (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cw/20070312a), just let the clock sit in the shelter, and that should keep it up reliably.

[Balor01]

Hm, a very old green dragon looks to have a caster level of 11, so if you just give it a ring of arcane might, it can hit CL 12 for a 24 hour duration. If you're willing to use a spell clock (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cw/20070312a), just let the clock sit in the shelter, and that should keep it up reliably.

Could this thing even be built with max access to lvl 5 spell slots? Contingency is lvl 6, so I guess no.



Moderate evocation; CL 14th; Craft Construct, Craft Wondrous Item, contingency, imbue with spell ability, permanency; Price 130,000; Cost 65,000 gp + 5,200 XP.

[Carth]

Ouch, hadn't considered that. You could always just do a custom 1/day item of it I suppose. By my reckoning that would cost 48k if you made it slotless.

Edit: this is a good backup (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magesPrivateSanctum.htm), you can cast it on anything, but it'd ideally be cast on the hidden lodge.

[Invader]

You, dear Illiterate sir, really piss (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Flesh_to_Stone) me (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Stone_to_Flesh) off.

Have it bolded. And enlarged.:

HIGHEST SPELL/SPELLSLOT AVAILABLE IS LVL 5! LVL 5! THAT IS F-I-V-E.



You're kind of a jerk, he was just offering a suggestion.

The correct response would have been "That looks like it would work but like I said I only have access to 5th level spells not 6th". But I'm sure you never made a mistake like that except for the fact that you use DnD wiki otherwise you'd know that you can get stone to flesh on the healers spell list at 5th level so one of his suggestions was perfectly fine.

[TuggyNE]

You, dear Illiterate sir, really piss (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Flesh_to_Stone) me (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Stone_to_Flesh) off.

Have it bolded. And enlarged.:

HIGHEST SPELL/SPELLSLOT AVAILABLE IS LVL 5! LVL 5! THAT IS F-I-V-E.

Dude... no need to overreact, especially given that GnomeGninjas was in fact specifically suggesting a way around that: use of eternal wands.

Despite your careful precautions, it was in no way obvious that "no spell slots over 5th" actually meant "there is no possible way the dragon can use anything other than its native spellcasting ability, and it can't advance or improve on that either".

[Balor01]

you can get stone to flesh on the healers spell list at 5th level so one of his suggestions was perfectly fine.

The same applies for flesh to stone? It can also be a lvl 5 spell? If so, an apology will be in order.

[Invader]

The same applies for flesh to stone? It can also be a lvl 5 spell? If so, an apology will be in order.

Just stone to flesh but the point is before you're incredibly rude to someone perhaps you should be a bit more knowledgable.

[JeminiZero]

Anyway, you have a very old green dragon who realized a young human maiden can extend her life.

Wait, humans live for decades at most. What will happen to the Green Dragon when she dies?


No, maiden will not be eaten, it is enough for her to be visited by a dragon every week and aging process stops. (in fact, dragon will in time grow and get more power, it is only that death will not happen).

What exactly must this visit entail? Is it enough to merely bask in her presence (even if she has been transformed into a toad/statue/preserved in Quintessence (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/quintessence.htm))? Or must they... talk or something?

[Balor01]

Just stone to flesh but the point is before you're incredibly rude to someone perhaps you should be a bit more knowledgable.

I was really holding back. Because every friggin' time people throw such stuff at me.

[DEMON]

Just stone to flesh but the point is before you're incredibly rude to someone perhaps you should be a bit more knowledgable.

Still, Eternal Wands are for arcane spells 3rd level and below. So there were flaws in the above suggestion even if we argue there are ways to get a level 5 version of Stone to Flesh via Healer.

Though there might be some PrCs that have these spells on their lists at lower levels.

[Invader]

Still, Eternal Wands are for arcane spells 3rd level and below. So there were flaws in the above suggestion even if we argue there are ways to get a level 5 version of Stone to Flesh via Healer.

Though there might be some PrCs that have these spells on their lists at lower levels.

Just because he was wrong is not excuse for ignorance or rudeness though.

[Seer_of_Heart]

It works if its in a wand, you just need to make a caster level check to activate a wand which you just need an item to bump your caster level up 1 to activate it 100% of the time(unless there is failure on a nat 1). I don't see why you need to be rude.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

So, is the maiden having a semblence of a normal life a factor in the equation?

Please explain F-I-V-E better. Does it mean the world is effectively E9 so only effects available at that level are accessible in-world? Is the Dragon only using it's own casting or that of a single pet caster and spending no wealth?

[Khatoblepas]

You, dear Illiterate sir, really piss (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Flesh_to_Stone) me (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Stone_to_Flesh) off.


Who says you need a spell slot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/medusa.htm)?

Or Stone to Flesh? (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/breakEnchantment.htm)

Polymorph + Assume Supernatural Ability.

Come on now, don't let your rage get the better of you, think outside the box. Just turn into a Medusa, stone her, and then break enchantment when you need her breathing. The medusa's petrifying gaze isn't a 6th level spell (but is a transmutation), so, break enchantment will work. Stone Shape to hide her in the walls, as suggested.

All 4th level spells and a feat.

Problem solved.

Addendum: If you need to unstone her in order to get the benefit, craft several identical statues to her and use locate object (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/locateObject.htm) to find her.

If you don't? Shrink Item + Permanency, put her in Leomund's Secret Chest (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/secretChest.htm), put the replica in a force chest (http://therafimrpg.wikidot.com/force-chest), and put the force chest in your Hoard Gullet.

Oh, and then wear a whole lot of weapons (armor spikes, gauntlets, a mouthpick weapon) with the Spellblade enhancement charged with all dispel magic spells, so your hoard gullet doesn't get dispelled.

[Balor01]

Allrighty. It saddens me that on almost every thread with limitations I must rage in order to get people to listen, but such is life. There is always someone offering Chaingating solars or Disjunction.

Aaanyway ...


Wait, humans live for decades at most. What will happen to the Green Dragon when she dies?

What exactly must this visit entail? Is it enough to merely bask in her presence (even if she has been transformed into a toad/statue/preserved in Quintessence (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/quintessence.htm))? Or must they... talk or something?

Turning her to stone by polymorphing into a Medusa may extend her existence for a Long time. That is good.

Basking would be the key, yes ... I guess the form is not so important as long as she is alive.


It works if its in a wand, you just need to make a caster level check to activate a wand which you just need an item to bump your caster level up 1 to activate it 100% of the time(unless there is failure on a nat 1). I don't see why you need to be rude.

Can such a wand be made just by access to lvl 5 spells/spell slots?


Does it mean the world is effectively E9 so only effects available at that level are accessible in-world? Is the Dragon only using it's own casting or that of a single pet caster and spending no wealth?

Strongest spell possible is lvl 5. All else just fails.


If you need to unstone her in order to get the benefit, craft several identical statues to her and use locate object to find her.

Hmmm. Is stone form not permanent? And unstoning her takes Stone to flesh, so ... I mean does the "turn to stone" effect end when medusa dies/dismisses this effect?




Oh, and then wear a whole lot of weapons (armor spikes, gauntlets, a mouthpick weapon) with the Spellblade enhancement charged with all dispel magic spells, so your hoard gullet doesn't get dispelled.

How does this prevent dispelling?

Thanks to all constructive contributors.

[Khatoblepas]

Allrighty. It saddens me that on almost every thread with limitations I must rage in order to get people to listen, but such is life. There is always someone offering Chaingating solars or Disjunction.

Sometimes people forget the level of spell, it's no big deal. I thought FtS was 5th level until I reread it.


Hmmm. Is stone form not permanent? And unstoning her takes Stone to flesh, so ... I mean does the "turn to stone" effect end when medusa dies/dismisses this effect?

No. Petrifying gaze is permanent. Unstoning requires Break Enchantment because the Petrifying Gaze is a supernatural transmutation effect which can't be dispelled by Dispel Magic. The original text on BE said "Even instantaneous effects like Flesh to Stone", but as FtS is 6th level, they could only be talking about the Medusa and Co, who, at CR7, would be at just the right level for BE.


How does this prevent dispelling?

Spellblade absorbs the spell cast at you and you can redirect it as a free action on your turn. It's in one of the Faerun books, I'm not sure which.

[Seer_of_Heart]

Can such a wand be made just by access to lvl 5 spells/spell slots?


Is there no way to buy such a wand? Or since I believe you're the DM include it in the dragon's treasure? Have the dragon take leadership as a feat(psionic reformation if necessary) and get an artificer cohort(just need one at least level 9)?

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Either turn her to stone or cover her in Quintessence (Optionally Baleful Polymorph to require fewer Quintessence castings) and store with Extended Hoard Gullet. Take her out once a day to "bask" before recasting Hoard Gullet.

No Polymorph Quintessence has the advantage of keeping her in Pristine unmodified condition forever, which at least has artistic value if nothing else. Also if the dragon is ever killed the girl can be rinsed off completely unharmed.

[Rubik]

Turn her into an elan or a necropolitan (or better yet, a ghost), then take her on adventures and protect her while doing so so that she gets XP (preferably without encountering undead, spellcasters, and other things with supernatural abilities that would ruin her -- go after animals and magical beasts instead, and make her a T1 character). If she gets quite powerful on her own she can protect herself from lower level threats, and if you befriend her so that she likes you, she'll willingly return if forced away from you.

Also, take Leadership or thrallherd. Make her your cohort or thrall. If she dies, get a new one just like her.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Turn her into an elan or a necropolitan (or better yet, a ghost), then take her on adventures and protect her while doing so so that she gets XP (preferably without encountering undead, spellcasters, and other things with supernatural abilities that would ruin her -- go after animals and magical beasts instead, and make her a T1 character). If she gets quite powerful on her own she can protect herself from lower level threats, and if you befriend her so that she likes you, she'll willingly return if forced away from you.

Also, take Leadership or thrallherd. Make her your cohort or thrall. If she dies, get a new one just like her.

I'd go with something on these lines. Make her not want to leave. Instead of escaping you, she'll escape those pesky adventurers to get back.

Have the dragon assume the role of mentor/guardian/only friend/lover instead of jailer. If we've learned anything from Heroic Fantasy, it's that the clear-cut bad guy always loses.

[Rubik]

I'd go with something on these lines. Make her not want to leave. Instead of escaping you, she'll escape those pesky adventurers to get back.

Have the dragon assume the role of mentor/guardian/only friend/lover instead of jailer. If we've learned anything from Heroic Fantasy, it's that the clear-cut bad guy always loses.The universe loves the Separated, Tormented Lovers schtick. So long as they don't off themselves a la Romeo & Juliet, True Love always wins in the end.

Give the dragon some bard levels (or at least some ranks in Craft: Tearjerker) so he can lament his lost love in appropriately heart-breaking verse, thereby persuading the universe (and wandering goodie-two-shoes adventurers) to return his love to him.

[ThatGuyOvaThere]

Buy a candle of invocation, gate a Djinni, make it grant you three wishes. First: Wish for something big to protect her(a loyal elemental maybe? Assuming the Dungeon master will allow this), Second: Something shiny to fight with? and Third: a lesson in friendliness sound like a good third choice to me...

[Kuulvheysoon]

The universe loves the Separated, Tormented Lovers schtick. So long as they don't off themselves a la Romeo & Juliet, True Love always wins in the end.

Give the dragon some bard levels (or at least some ranks in Craft: Tearjerker) so he can lament his lost love in appropriately heart-breaking verse, thereby persuading the universe (and wandering goodie-two-shoes adventurers) to return his love to him.

Isn't there something in Dragons of Eberron for that? Seems like they have a draconic archetype for everything else under the sun...

[herrhauptmann]

Allrighty. It saddens me that on almost every thread with limitations I must rage in order to get people to listen, but such is life. There is always someone offering Chaingating solars or Disjunction.

I'm not seeing any chaingating here.
If you've got issues with people ignoring your restrictions, keep it in those particular threads. Or at least directed at those particular people.
Keep raging and everyone knowledgeable who posts regularly will ignore you. Leaving you with the less knowledgeable or less common posters for help.

Also, there's better sites for your core spellcasting (http://www.d20srd.org/) than the D&D Wiki.



Strongest spell possible is lvl 5. All else just fails.

Put that in your opening statement.
When you say "Highest spell level is 5" we'll assume someone is a caster that isn't high enough level to reach 6th level spells. So Wizard 9 or 10, or Sorcerer 10 or 11.



Can such a wand be made just by access to lvl 5 spells/spell slots?
Wands can't do 5th level spells. But make a scepter from Lost Empires of Faerun. Price calculation is identical to wands.


Spellblade absorbs the spell cast at you and you can redirect it as a free action on your turn. It's in one of the Faerun books, I'm not sure which.
Players guide to Faerun. Flat cost of +6000. Look up Spellblade Tennis here on the forums for more info.

Why does the dragon have to protect her from adventurers and silver dragons and such? If they show up to 'rescue' her from the green dragon, your green should just bolt. They'll escort the woman to town, then she'll return to the nicely appointed home the green dragon gave her as soon as she can.
Dragon should be more worried with protecting itself from those people.

Question:
Are you the DM? If not, don't go overboard on your preparations. In an arms race, the DM will always win and steal whatever he needs when he needs it. After basic protections, focus your efforts on regaining the woman if she's ever kidnapped, or raising her if she's killed.

[avr]

Charm, bribe or otherwise acquire a more socially acceptable protector? Many good-aligned people are more leery of slaughtering dryads than dragons. If you're using spells rather than cash that's well under 5th level too.

[Sith_Happens]

Aren't dragons already immortal?