Large and In Charge or Stand Still?

[D4rtagnan]

I am making a level 13 lockdown Crusader/Bard and am trying to decide if I should take large and in charge feat or the feat stand still?

I deal roughly +6d6 sonic damage with each hit, so damage is not a problem. Alos I am large size.

[andromax]

They both essentially do the same thing, although I think in the long run Stand Still is better, as you can force a nigh un-passable Fort save, rather than opposed STR check. You will just need to get a power point reserve.

[Mnemnosyne]

Stand still doesn't require a power point reserve, it's a [General] feat with only Str 13 as a prerequisite, it just happens to have been introduced in the XPH.

[Gwendol]

Large and in charge is vastly superior since it allows you to deal damage as well as push the opponent back. Stand still just allows you to stop the creature (waste the move action), but requires that you forego dealing actual damage (though the DC is determined by a damage roll).

[Mnemnosyne]

True, but stand still does make it considerably harder for the person to escape, if you have a lot of damage. Opposed strength checks are sometimes easier to beat.

But, in general, I think I agree...Large and In Charge does seem better, since it does damage and prevents movement. And usually, if you're optimizing for it, you'll win the strength check.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

I was going to chime in for standstill, because the 3.0 Large and in Charge didn't technically end your opponents movement so they could proceed to move through your threatened squares with their remaining movement. The 3.5 update closed that loophole though.

I also thought there was a feat with LaiC as a prereq with a silly name like "golf swing" that let you launch enemies you caught with LaiC. Maybe it was in a 3rd party book that was violating the OGL by referencing a noncore feat. Couldn't find it just now though, even tried the D&D wiki hoping I could find a 3rd party reference to put my mind at ease.

[Metahuman1]

Where is the Large and in Charge feat from?

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Draconomicon, but first published in 3.0 Sword & Fist. It was in a side bar in a section about playing large creatures rather than in the feat section.

[Person_Man]

Stand Still has a higher chance of success, since the DC of the Reflex Save is equal to 10 + your damage roll. So you'll pretty much have a 95% chance of stopping almost all enemies. (Unless they happen to have Action Before Thought or some other back door to always passing Reflex Saves).

Large and in Charge is an opposed Str check with a +1 bonus for every 5 points of damage you deal. So you'll have a more difficult time of stopping really big/strong enemies, which is not uncommon in the various monster manuals and other supplements. Whether or not you encounter a lot of these or not is highly dependent on your DM. But if you're already Large+ size, then it's probably going to happen. But it has the benefit of dealing damage (which can kill, thus permanently stopping your enemy), unlike Stand Still.

So if you prefer 95% reliability, choose Stand Still. If you prefer to stop (and hopefully kill) the vast majority of mooks but occassionally fail against BBEG, choose Large and in Charge.

[Gwendol]

For a large and presumably strong bardsader, LaiC will in general be better than standstill since you both do damage and have a reasonable chance to stop the enemy. But yes, the DC for standstill will be hard to beat for many monsters.

[andromax]

Stand still doesn't require a power point reserve, it's a [General] feat with only Str 13 as a prerequisite, it just happens to have been introduced in the XPH.

Err, my bad.. I was looking at the D&D tools (http://dndtools.eu/feats/psionics-handbook-30--46/stand-still--2758/) version which appears to be 3.0. Odd.

[Unusual Muse]

Err, my bad.. I was looking at the D&D tools (http://dndtools.eu/feats/psionics-handbook-30--46/stand-still--2758/) version which appears to be 3.0. Odd.

dndtools references both 3.0 and 3.5 instances of feats and spells; if you search from their site using their customized Google search (http://www.google.com/cse?cx=010918785989085430250:jd6tjgonwfu&q=stand%20still&oq=stand%20still&gs_l=partner.3..0l4.4406.5403.0.5683.11.7.0.4.4.1. 174.659.3j4.7.0.gsnos%2Cn%3D13..0.0.1032j147254j11 ..1ac.1.PTFNmR1p9e0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=stand%20still&gsc.page=1), it should bring up both. If you automatically click on the first result that comes up without looking at the second, you may miss the 3.5 version.

EDIT: It occurs to me that references to dndtools might be considered a link to copyrighted content and, as such, should be taken down. Mod, delete this post if appropriate.

[andromax]

dndtools references both 3.0 and 3.5 instances of feats and spells; if you search from their site using their customized Google search (http://www.google.com/cse?cx=010918785989085430250:jd6tjgonwfu&q=stand%20still&oq=stand%20still&gs_l=partner.3..0l4.4406.5403.0.5683.11.7.0.4.4.1. 174.659.3j4.7.0.gsnos%2Cn%3D13..0.0.1032j147254j11 ..1ac.1.PTFNmR1p9e0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=stand%20still&gsc.page=1), it should bring up both. If you automatically click on the first result that comes up without looking at the second, you may miss the 3.5 version.

EDIT: It occurs to me that references to dndtools might be considered a link to copyrighted content and, as such, should be taken down. Mod, delete this post if appropriate.
Hrmm, EPH is OGL, so I think we're good in this case.