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gooddragon1
2013-02-12, 07:36 AM
Is there any reason a neutral good crusader couldn't learn aura of perfect order?

I read on a guide somewhere (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10068815&postcount=5) that you must be lawful but I couldn't find any supporting text about that.

Darrin
2013-02-12, 08:01 AM
Is there any reason a neutral good crusader couldn't learn aura of perfect order?

I read on a guide somewhere (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10068815&postcount=5) that you must be lawful but I couldn't find any supporting text about that.

There is no alignment restriction on those stances/maneuvers. Some of them have alignment descriptors (such as [Law]), but this is not part of the prereqs. As per the paragraph at the top of ToB p. 44, those descriptors may interact with some other maneuvers, powers, spells, or abilities, but have no game effect by themselves.

Some strikes require your target to have a particular alignment, but I can't find any such rule that says the Crusader must have a particular alignment to take a particular [descriptor].

Jack_Simth
2013-02-12, 08:30 AM
Is there any reason a neutral good crusader couldn't learn aura of perfect order?

I read on a guide somewhere (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10068815&postcount=5) that you must be lawful but I couldn't find any supporting text about that.

Aren't Crusaders required to have one of the extreme alignments anyway?

Kelb_Panthera
2013-02-12, 08:34 AM
Aren't Crusaders required to have one of the extreme alignments anyway?

Just any non-neutral. That's 8/9 possible alignments.

Darrin
2013-02-12, 08:35 AM
Aren't Crusaders required to have one of the extreme alignments anyway?

Yes, but being Lawful Good does not prevent you from taking manuevers/stances with [Chaos] or [Evil] descriptors.

gooddragon1
2013-02-12, 08:36 AM
Aren't Crusaders required to have one of the extreme alignments anyway?

Actually, this is what I thought it meant until someone pointed out the text "or a combination of these principles" to me (unless good evil or chaotic lawful are allowed alignments...). They can't be true neutral but otherwise any alignment works. They must stand for something.

Furthermore, I believe that's what the guide writer meant and thus he must have interpreted it as a binding restriction which would make some of those "require" an alignment component.