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Metahuman1
2013-02-21, 11:57 PM
Pretty much what the title says. How would one go about this, and would it even work?

AmberVael
2013-02-22, 12:09 AM
Cunning Surge + Manyshot. Not something that you can get in a build instantly, but when you CAN start doing it, it can get really mean. Shooting off numerous full attacks every round is not something to take lightly.

Generally, Cunning Surge is the ability you want to leverage for combat. If you can get a lot of value on a standard action, Cunning Surge can act as a multiplicative force and really amp up your capabilities.

Aegis013
2013-02-22, 12:09 AM
Sure it would work. Especially if you break out after 8 levels for a full BAB PrC. You don't need Iajustu Focus to have a good fighter type Factotum.

Just use your Cunning Surge for sneak attack damage when available, your SLAs to support your combat style, using things like Heroics for Power Attack until you pick it up yourself and/or Wraithstrike for high accuracy and such stuff.

DangerDanger
2013-02-22, 12:10 AM
It would always work in the same ways it always had. Iajutsu is just the icing on the icing, bro. Give it a little warblade love and you're set for always.

Also, this guy (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88633). I'd say he's still awesome, even without the Iajutsu.

rockdeworld
2013-02-22, 12:36 AM
And on the subject of Haberdash, Alter Self (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19871862/3.5Forms_for_Alter_Self) and Polymorph can turn you into a melee monster.

Gildedragon
2013-02-22, 12:46 AM
Round 1: Try to set up flanking for later (ask rogue to help out), Identify, swift: assassin's stance, full action: attack 1: trip with spiked chain, attack 2: standard attack, both attacks use an alchemical capsule to release the adequate poison.

When they try to stand up and move: trip them again

Round 2: Full attack with chain, try to poison again

Round 2 (alt): if under 100 hp Power Word Pain, run off and hide until the spell kills them.

(edit: use Cunning -insight- to boost damage + attack rolls; use cunning breach to overcome SR. -Cunning surge- for extra actions

Rubik
2013-02-22, 12:56 AM
Just use your Cunning Surge for sneak attack damage when available, your SLAs to support your combat style, using things like Heroics for Power Attack until you pick it up yourself and/or Wraithstrike for high accuracy and such stuff.It's not a good idea to spend inspiration points on sneak attack; it's only 3.5 average damage, after all, and it's not ACTUAL sneak attack, so the various feats that give you additional effects (such as hamstringing your opponents) likely won't work.

The exception, of course, is if you CAN use sneak attack feats (including Craven). THEN it's worth it. Otherwise, no.

Psyren
2013-02-22, 01:09 AM
Per the FAQ, you can spend multiple IP on your sneak attack, bumping it up to respectable levels.

Draz74
2013-02-22, 01:12 AM
It's not a good idea to spend inspiration points on sneak attack; it's only 3.5 average damage, after all, and it's not ACTUAL sneak attack, so the various feats that give you additional effects (such as hamstringing your opponents) likely won't work.

The exception, of course, is if you CAN use sneak attack feats (including Craven). THEN it's worth it. Otherwise, no.

Even then, you obviously only buy 1d6 sneak attack (assuming buying more d6 with more Inspiration is allowed. I think that's obviously the intent, but there's a strong argument that RAW doesn't allow it), just so you can trigger the "real" damage via Craven.

But yeah, personally I think Factotum can be a lot stronger in combat without Iaijutsu or Font of Inspiration than people give it credit for. You have to play it creatively, though, and make opportunistic use of e.g. terrain.

Or dip Warblade and/or Swordsage. That works too. :smallamused:

Rubik
2013-02-22, 01:14 AM
Per the FAQ, you can spend multiple IP on your sneak attack, bumping it up to respectable levels.It's far more worthwhile to spend points boosting your damage and attack bonus with your Int mod and then using Power Attack and 2-handing the latter away if you think you can hit. An Int of 18 (which is low, for a mid-level factotum) can lead to a +12 bonus to damage (which can be critical'd). That's a heck of a lot better for 2 IPs than a measly 7 average damage. And you still have to meet the sneak attack criteria, ensure the critter you're sneak attacking isn't immune, AND you have to roll max damage.

Not a good tradeoff, I think.

Diovid
2013-02-22, 02:21 AM
You could go with somthing like:

Factotum 3 / Warblade 17
Factotum 8 / Warblade 12
Factotum 3 / Swashbuckler 3 / Warblade 14

Now pump up your int, enjoy your skill points and all the other things that now benefit from your int score.

Rubik
2013-02-22, 03:32 AM
You could go with somthing like:

Factotum 3 / Warblade 17
Factotum 8 / Warblade 12
Factotum 3 / Swashbuckler 3 / Warblade 14

Now pump up your int, enjoy your skill points and all the other things that now benefit from your int score.Don't forget to take Able Learner (as a human or some other creature with the Human Heritage feat -- flaws are a must for this, of course). That way you'll get all skills as class skills, forever.