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LordShotGun

2013-02-26, 03:30 PM

League of Legends XLIV:
*SQUAWK* Who's there? *SQUAWK* League of Legends XLIV who?

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NA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name

0tt3r | 0tt3r
9mm | cwcriner
Adumbration | Benefice
aethernox | aethernox
Alemil | Alemil
Alter | AlterForm
Anarion | Anarion55
Anonomuss | OpticalSage
ArcanistSupreme | Arcanist Supreme
Arbitrarity | Arbitrarity
Archangel Yuki | Yocham
assassin89 | nineballcirno
Astrella | Sirroelivan
AtwasAwamps | AtwasAwamps
Aurenthal | Estor
Averis Vol | AverisVol
Baron Corm | Baron Corm
Baxter | Thefettered
BinaryMage | BinaryMage
Blueiji | Blueiji
BobVosh | BobVosh -or- VoshBob
Bookboy | Keledrath
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Bliss Authority | Companion N00b
Caradryan | Ying Quliang
Castleraven | Castleraven
cdstephens | cdstephens
Chess435 | Chess435
Copacetic | Azbu
Creed | Moarzed
CrnvorousMeece | CarnivorousMeece
Croverus | Croverus
Cute_Riolu | Cute Riolu
Dallas-Dakota | MustacheMan
Dante & Vergil | Raphiezar
Darius Macab | Hawkfrost000
Darth Mario | Darth Mario
Daverin | Daverin
Dentrag2 | Callinectes
dgnslyr | GANKERLagann
Dichotomy | Kaellin
Dire Ferret | Guvna Kit Kit
Djinn in Tonic | The Djinn
Dogmantra | Dogmantra
douglas | DouglasM
Doxkid | Doxkid
Dragonus45 | Dragonus45
Drager0 | Drager0
Dragor | Supernaturalist
Draken | Draken Frosthand
DrakeRaids | DrakeRaids057
Dralnu | TomerIsHot
dukexx | JacksonHicks
Duos | DapperGuy
efdf | efdf
EifieFlare | EifieFlare
Elagune | Chopstyx
Eldariel | Elealar
EndlessWrath | Andurin
Epicfaillol | Ether Master
Errandir | Ramses III
EternalMelon | EternalMelon
faith | Ferrovax101
FantomFang | FantomFang
Faulty | FaultyClockwork
Fawkes | Count Fawkes
FeverFox | Alcopop
Flarowon | Kruin Avabruc
Flechair | Master Zealot
Folytopo | Folytopo
Forrestfire | Forrestfire15
Frankelshtein | McFinkelstein
Fredaintdead | Fredthefighter
Gallus | Anechois
Geigan | Geigan
Giant Panda | Le Shirrif
gimliggamer | Wizard Warlock
Gizladlo | Gizladlo
glemis | glemis
Godskook | Bethor Kookalian
Gourtox | Gourtox
Gruffard | Gruffard
Grytorm
hamiltond465 | Duodecimus
Hanuman | HanumanXoO
Happy Gravity | Deimosaur
Hatevah | Hatevah
Incomp | Incomp
InyutheBeatIs | Believe Inyu
Istari | IstariK
Ivellius | Ivellius
Jamin | CapZich
JKTrickster | ZenTrickster
Joran | Jorana
KaizoMK | KaizoMK
Kara Kuro | RaptorKitty
Kciemir | Ghostface Ki11ah
Kettle | Kettle747
king.com | kingcom
Kinslayer | HaunterReqiuem
Kirbot | Kirbot
kmchii | kmchii
knightMARE|Sir Wiffleston
Kopaka | Portent
Kotarus | Adrameleck
Kwazey | Kwazey
LegoShrimp | LegoShrimp
LightWraith | TheLightWraith
Lil Shiro | Mizz Mitchell
litewarior | litewarior
Lix Lorn | ElixiaLorn
Lonely Tylenol | If I Had a Hifi
Lord Generic | Lord Generic
LordShotGun | LordShotGun
LostEnder | LostEnder
Low-Key | TheFuzziestBear
lvl 1 sharnian | StarryEagle
Lyxie | Lyxie
Maeglin_Dubh | Tycho Velius
Makensha | Jarbis
MammonAzrael | MammonAzrael
Manticoran | Manticoran
MasatoHyuga | MasatoHyuga
Master_Rahl22 | Goltoth
master256 | QWERTYSTOP
Math_Mage | Mathmage
Mattarias, King. | Mattarias
Malmagor Andrigal | Madmal
Maxios | Maxios20
McCerberus | MCerberus
McDougal | McDouggal
Meatshield#236 | Meatshield236
Merellis | Merellis
Mike_the_Mystic | Kraemer
Milskidasith | Milskidasith
Mindfreak586 | Mindfreak586
Mirrinus | Parallaxal
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Moklok | KokoBWare
Mr. Mud | Proposal
mrcarter11 | Mrcarter11
mrzomby | mrzomby
Mtg_player_zach | MtgPlayerZach
Mushroom Ninja | Mushroom Ninja
Mutant Bunny | WhollySpart
Nadevoc | Xenik
Nanoblack | IwearSILLYhats
Nargan | Naryuk
Necroticplague | Yamidamian
Neoseanster | Neoseanster
NeoVid | NeoVid
neXianXavia | neXianXavia
NotAEvilToaster | NeonPie
oblivion6 | warcrown10
Octopus Jack | Thalric
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Nsev
Pie Guy | Qwazes
pilvento | Kandrass
PhoeKun | PhoeKun
Poison Fish | Baron Von Flib
Postmodernist | Postmodernist
Protecar | Godreig
Protecar | Atk
Psychotic | SquirrelFish
Qaera | Qaera
ragingrage | ragingrage
Raistlin1040 | Sanevale
Rama | Nargus
Raroy | setokaibasmt
RationalGoblin | AtillathePun
Raveypoos | Rhaviewoos
recklessabaddon | recklessabaddon
revolver kobold | A Magic Kobold
Reynard | Duke Reynington
Sallera | Sallera
Saveducks | ElGrandisimo
Serpentine | Lady Serpentine
Shades of Gray | PierreAbelard
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker65
Shadowleaf | Shadowdancing
Shadow Lord | ShadowLordgiantitp
Shadowy | DJPON3Vinyl
ShortOne | LittlePoppy
SidCoolios | Irazel
Silverraptor | Silverraptor
Siosilvar | Siosilvar
Sircarp | Sircarp
SirSigfried | LibertarianSDR
Slash_712 | Catfud
sofawall | sofawall
sonofzeal | sonofzeal
St. Viers | St.Viers
Starfols | Starfols
SuperPanda | Lokilar
SweetRein | Riot Reinboom
TalonDemonKing | TalonDemonKing
TechnOkami | Techn0kami
Temotei | Temotei221
Terazul | Allegretto
term1nally s1ck | silverdevilboy
tesla_pasta | generictownsman
Thanatos 51-50 | Thanatos Erebus
The_Ditto | Ditto11
The_Fiery_Tower | TheFieryTower
TheGlowingRogue | I Glow In Dark
Themage | SirPelletheGreat
Thethan | Thethan
The Rabbler | Paco H Jones
The Shadowmind | The Shadowmind
The Valiant Turtle | Valiant Turtle
Thrantar | Thrantar
Thrawn183 | Thrawnyboy
throtecutter | throtecutter
toasty | toastymow
Tono | Tono Chou
Treayn | Treayn
tribble | Smallbluedot
Tychris1 | Tychris1
u-gotNOgame | UGNG -or- Sirius Amory
userpay | userpay
Vauron | Vauron
Volatar | The Volatar
Vwulf DeMarcus | NinjaXeq
wandiya | wandiya
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Winthur | Seyruun
WyvernLord: WyvernThornKing
woodzyowl | Woodzyowl
Zabel_Zarock | Jon Talbain
Zeful | Zeful
ZeltArruin | ZeltArruin
Zemro | Shivic
ZeroNumerous | ZeroNumerous
Zeteni | Zeteni
Zinc | El Jaun Zinco
zolga | TheZolga[/table]

EU Server--West
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Acromos | Crannoch
Adumbration | Adumbration
Anonomuss | Anonomuss
Azimov | Sidhe de Athame
Brother Oni | MarineHK4861
Cheers | Sam vds
Cyborg Mage | Cyborg Mage98
Eldariel | Elealar
Even Human | SlyGuyMcFly
Gauntlet | Isva
HalfDragonCube | giantmudkip
Krazzman | Viskerin
Maxymiuk | Maxymiuk
Mc. Lovin | B1GB1RDB4G3L
Miscast_Mage | MiscastMage
Morph Bark | Morpheus Bob
Nargan | Naryuk
Outsideheaven | Outsideheaven
PersonMan | Scarge
Reb46 | Reb46
Reynard | Duke Reyn
Runhidesurvive | Jmack10
Saph | StarSaph
shadowwalker64 | shadowwalker64
Talesin | Fridgecake
term1nally s1ck | Silverdevilboy
That'd_be_me | AntiLocke
TheGeckoKing | Alpharis Omega
Volatar | VolatarUK
Winterwind | DreamingHeart
Ziren | Zirenoid
zolga | MasterZolga[/table]

EU Server--Nordic & East
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Dada | Scrattlebeard
darksolitaire | Darksolitaire
Posca | LDRC
Rockbird | Rockbird[/table]

EU Server--Unspecified
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
Abakus | Terpfen
Alemil | Alemil
Ayra | Ayramatao
Darwin | DarwinBeGood
Endoperez | Endoperez
Heliomance | Sidhe de Grian
Kurrel | GrinningOni
littlebottom | Littlebottom
lord_khaine | Lord_khaine
Narazil | Narazil
Narkis | Narkis
Penthar | Malderon
Raviepoos | Skittles Unicorn
Shadowleaf | AncientPharma
Socratov | Mbutu
Voidhawk | Sidhe ne Awk
Zefir | Einerwie
Zombywoof | Zombywoof[/table]

SEA Server
{table=head]Forum Name|Game Name
abadguy | Smite Thy Enemy[/table]

MUMBLE
Download here! (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/)
Our main means of communication is a mumble server, playing host to a variety of games, including LoL. We're quite a tight knit community, get to know us! Hanging about is a good way to find a game, and if you don't fancy playing something there's always a good chance of a friendly chat. Contact Djinn_in_Tonic via PM if you have a question or want to donate money to keep the server running.
Address: fish.mumbleboxes.com
Port: 36003

Admins: Djinn_in_Tonic (Djinn); Darth Mario; ShortOne (LittlePoppy, Raven); Dogmantra; Nano (Nanoceraptor).

STREAMS
Some of us run streams. You can watch them here.
Legoshrimp (http://www.twitch.tv/legoshrimp)
Silverraptor (http://www.livestream.com/silverrapter?t=527242)
McDouggal (http://www.twitch.tv/McDouggal)
GUIDES
Sometimes people write guides and post them in this thread. Other times pro players write guides that people then post in this thread. They often end up here.
General
A General Guide to Support (http://tpesports.net/index.php?site=articles&action=show&articlesID=32), by Math Mage
Guide to General Common Jungler Set-Ups (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12409551&postcount=575), by Mtg_player_zach
Small Guide to Jungle Counterpicking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379254&postcount=98), by Winthur
General Guide to AD Carries (http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9234)
Seizing the fourth digit: Playing your way out of Elo Hell. (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=341821) by Math_Mage
Faulty and Raistlin's Quick Build Database: Notes and Stuff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10942497&postcount=1004) by Faulty and Raistlin
Turning Skill Into Elo: Solo Queue Mindset And Methodology (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1220673) by MathMage
How to be a Good Team Leader (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1374492) by Darth Mario

Specific Champions:
Be warned. These guides are, by and large, outdated. Some (if not much) of the information referenced in these guides has been made obsolete as a result of League's natural patch cycle. If you're looking for information on a champion, you'll have better luck at SoloMid.net (http://solomid.net/guides.php?champ=&sort=2&display=4&x=98&y=9) or LolPro.com (http://LoLPro.com). Alternatively, ask the thread!
Riven 101 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12579737&postcount=204), by Arbitrarity
Highly Artistic Blitzcrank guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12380155&postcount=115), by Dogmantra
Laser Bear Udyr (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9657101&postcount=39), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Rammus: Can't touch this (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=258919), by Math_Mage
Twitch (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board
[URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10267058&postcount=1448), by Djinn_In_Tonic
Jungle Akali (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10498621&postcount=1358) by Djinn
How to play everyone's favourite Lightning Squirrel (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10518034&postcount=154) by Dogmantra
Lee Sin (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=636475) by Dralnu
Super Serious Rumble Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11052926&postcount=904) by Dogmantra
OH SNAP Morgana Can Jungle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11295698&postcount=1238) by Dogmantra
Anivia Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11514141&postcount=845) by Eldariel
Tristana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11938481&postcount=1029) by MathMage
CLASSY VIDEOS FOR CLASSY PEOPLE*
Watching these videos makes you a classier person. Fact.
Jungle Janna! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC6wm9iaNmM)
How to Win Every Game in League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM)
Panic at the Nexus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7WlCbaLI3I)
Sunfire Cape Sunday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgjfX6crjrg)
Season One Trailer with Commentary (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/season-one-trailer-commentary)
D-Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHp4VJ47v0)
Insanity Mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGKN1Adzckk&feature=related)
(Truly, Truly) Outrageous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7S05vI-BU&feature=related)
I'm just a noob (Ryze Ryze Ryze again) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1T-pgaZY&feature=related)
e.o.n Shen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs_cGUPQ3M&feature=related)
Vendrim-Ionia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3E2UQMe3k&hd=1)
Pwn ur FACE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9VSDt0EN4)
Your -Epic- Dreamhack comes true! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKCs1CyBFLg)
Ezreal Custom Skin Spotlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-HoAPlg-c)
I Just Got Ganked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpNVN33fj4Y&feature=channel_video_title)
Keep Feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaR0frKc4a0)
Champion Rap Battles -- Brolaf vs. Gentleman Cho'Gath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ-r300BVFI)
Combinasion BOOM! League of Legends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzsXR4sM_Y)
All in the Cards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9d3342IXSs)
No One Ganks Like Garen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4uiTQsRJg)
Rammus Taunts Everyone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8Q4PM4PXM)

COMICS AND PICS
It's like your eyes are getting a massage.
LoL Comic (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=48169) by Elagune
Learn Your Alphabet (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6264/g28376.png) by Dogmantra and Pierreabelard (with a mention in Summoner Showcase #36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy7JWV-HA28&feature=feedu)!)
Chibi Champions (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=763895) by pika7
Gender Swaps (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=606416) by ShowMeYourMoves
Champion Flowchart Guides (http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=608154) by Renekton Bot
Patch Day Comic (http://i.imgur.com/kHtwk.jpg) by DaemianFF
TRAVEL BACK IN TIME: PREVIOUS THREADS
Proof we're not all experiencing collective haullucinations.

League of Legends XLIII: Now with 100% more Leagues. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270068)
League of Legends XLII: I Hope The New Champ Is Vi-able (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266201)
League of Legends XLI: Fish Are Friends, Not Food (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263722)
League of Legends XL: Season on Hold 'till Morello Gets Gold (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261213)
League of Legends XXXIX: Harrowing in the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14079780#post14079780)
League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13921041)
League of Legends XXXVII: Thread Name Delayed for Further Testing on PBE (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253343)
League of Legends XXXVI: Thread Now Invisible When You're Not Looking (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250948)
League of Legends XXXV: Jayce, the Defender of Soon™ (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248760)
League of Legends XXXIV: No Exceptions (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246004)
League of Legends XXXIII: Game of Mundo (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13142848#post13142848)
League of Legends XXXII: Cupcakes and Kittens and Squirrels. Oh my! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237600)
League of Legends XXXI: I'll Start My Own Team! With TF And Janna! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234631)
League of Legends XXX: Must be Summoner Level 18 to View (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231927)
League of Legends XXIX: Are Nerfs Vayne In This Grave Situation? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229460)
League of Legends XXVIII: Ahri-Vederci, Dodge. Hello, Viktory. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12466887)
League of Legends XXVII: Your Sister's Hotter (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225730)
League of Legends XXVI: We've officially jumped the shark (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223894)
League of Legends XXV: Who is your Summoner, and what does he do? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221849)
League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219436)
League of Legends XXIII: gunbladeface.jpg (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217744)
League of Legends XXII: Teamwork OP, Nerf Nao (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215725)
League of Legends XXI: For The Love Of God Amumu, Stop Crying! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213794)
League of Legends XX: Riot's in the Playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211977)
League of Legends XIX: 15 million players, and nary a Morgana (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210332)
League of Legends: XVIII: ┻━┻ ︵（╯°□°）╯ (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207908)
League of Legends XVII: Gondor Has No Tank, Gondor Needs No Tank (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205488)
League of Legends XVI: Alas, Poor Game Balance, I Knew Him, Morello (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203298)
League of Legends XV: Robots Are Better Than Trees (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201024)
League of Legends XIV: We're So Broken That We're OP! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198948)
League of Legends XIII: Our Skill is Hard to Deny (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196765)
League of Legends XII: It's Worth It Because I Said So In The Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194886)
League of Legends XI: It's Hard to Post Like This in Heels (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192695)
League of Legends X: Armored Armadillo Delivers Ambiguous Affirmative (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10646164#post10646164)
League of Legends IX: New Thread Available! Only 6300 IP! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188076)
League of Legends VIII: Gali-Os: They're idolicious! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185516)
League of Legends 7: Truly, Truly Outrageous! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182486)
League of Legends 6: Jannaaaaaaaaaa! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178334)
League of Legends 5: Tall Grass Used Garen! DEMACIAAA! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173805)
League of Legends 4:CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWCAW (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169616)
League of Legends 3: You only need to click once (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164008s)
League of Legends Goes Where It Pleases 2 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158135)
League Of Legends: We post where we please. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139094)

New Thread up!!!

Draken

2013-02-26, 03:36 PM

Yay. Squawks.

Sallera

2013-02-26, 03:40 PM

Big number in the header needs updating, and the previous thread should be added to the spoiler.

Dallas-Dakota

2013-02-26, 03:47 PM

Damnit, just too late, I wanted to vote for Mathmage's.

Math_Mage

2013-02-26, 03:50 PM

TFT

2013-02-26, 03:59 PM

Off the top of my head:

Zyra e w r q w combo (Assuming you land e) I guess more generally e w combos on her too, because the position of the seed is really important.

Timing Leona r e w q

Thresh q q r e (or q q e r) combo

None of them are too hard, especially compared to some of the timings you mentioned, but they take a couple of tries to get completely right. If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

Sallera

2013-02-26, 04:03 PM

Does Yorick count? I had some fun baiting and ghouling Blitz grabs the other day; got interesting trying to get the blind ones.

Actually, on that note, how does Yorick stack up as a support in general? I've probably won roughly half my support matches with him so far, so I'm guessing it's not that bad, and he's the only champ so far I've really enjoyed in the role, but I'm wondering whether he's going to be less viable once I hit 30 and start moving up a little further. (And if that is the case, are there other supports with similarly strong harassment and sustain I should look into? Sona has seemed somewhat similar when I've faced her, but disturbingly squishy.)

The_Ditto

2013-02-26, 04:06 PM

Yeah, ok, so I'm a brain dead oaf who can't read and posted to the old thread.
Oh well :)
Hopefully this bumps this thread back more recent.
(Sorry :smalleek:)

Anarion

2013-02-26, 04:09 PM

I'm looking for AD and support micros that need practicing. Caitlyn's EQ combo, Ali's WQ combo, Lulu's EQ, anything Tristana might do during her jump, blinking out of Blitz grabs with Ez/Trist/Corki, timing stealth and reappearance with Vayne, positioning to land Twitch's ult, etc. If I'm missing instances, let me know.

Spinning with Corki to stay safe while maximizing his machine gunning.

All of Kennen's stun combos (QWE, EWQ, W(passive)WQ, W(passive)WE, W(passive)RWQE double stun, etc.)

Note that Lulu's EQ was changed in the most recent patch to have a smaller aoe near Pix so it's not a guaranteed hit on the guy you nail with E anymore. You also might want to consider Lulu's teamfights because all of her QWER need prioritization and can be hard to target.

Landing perfect Sona ults

Miss Fortune+Amumu or J4 ult comboing. Also hitting the right person with the second hit of MF's bouncing shot.

ex cathedra

2013-02-26, 04:11 PM

No worries, their mixed-up order shouldn't be too confusing, given that one's 50 pages long. That this thread isn't actually titled League of Legends Xwhatever: whatever, though, might be a bit misleading.

endoperez

2013-02-26, 04:13 PM

I just had an awesome game.

I'm not the best player, mechanically, but I feel like I've talked my team to victory several times already, even though I just started ranked.

We had a jungler-player who was forced to AD carry. He only owned Ashe, and didn't really know much about being an AD carry except that they need farm. We were a bit behind in midgame, and he kept being too far forward, getting caught by Lee Sin or Kha'Zix or one-shotted by their Viktor.

I talked with him about how carry has to play it safe, and in lategame he had gotten the hang of it. Then we won. :smallbiggrin:

Also, this game also marks the first time I ward-jumped - as Alistar! Sivir + Soraka spotted me in my tribush while i was warding, and were chasing me towards my red buff. I threw a ward over the minigolem wall, and headbutted myself through the wall into one of them. It felt AWESOME, especially since I play against so many uncatchable Lee Sins.

toasty

2013-02-26, 04:30 PM

I didnt know Ali could target wards with his headbutt.

endoperez

2013-02-26, 04:59 PM

I didnt know Ali could target wards with his headbutt.

He can't target wards. I headbutted a minigolem, the ward was just for vision.

ChaosOS

2013-02-26, 05:01 PM

Oh that's cool! Hmm I never thought about him cause I thought he was nerfed too hard before?

Rengar is fine, he just isn't broken strong now. Search for the few high ELO rengars that dominate as him; he has a really high skillcap because of how much his kit can do

Xiander

2013-02-26, 05:01 PM

I didnt know Ali could target wards with his headbutt.

I think he targeted the golem, which he could only see to target because of the ward.

Math_Mage

2013-02-26, 05:02 PM

MCerberus

2013-02-26, 05:10 PM

Leona is a fun counter to Blitz. get pulled, say "thank you".

toasty

2013-02-26, 05:25 PM

Zyra, Taric, Janna come to mind. Yorick is an interesting support, but very vulnerable to ganks and burst, especially pre-6. Also, he's pretty much a walking R button with a sack of wards late.

I mean to be fair... Yorick with farm is a walking R button with a sack of damage he can't ever deal because he has no gap closer. :smallbiggrin:

Sallera

2013-02-26, 05:46 PM

Which only makes funnier when the enemy carry figures there's no possible way they could lose a duel with the support late-game, so it's perfectly alright to stand there trading attacks in melee range... (To be fair, she was a bit underfarmed, but it was still one of the more amusing kills I've picked up.)

I might try Zyra next time I can save up a bunch of IP; seems like that could work well.

Grytorm

2013-02-26, 05:51 PM

Eldariel

2013-02-26, 05:56 PM

Played my first Ranked game today. Went 15/6/11 as LeBlanc. We still lost. Can LeBlanc carry games? Just checking. What was really terrible is that the second best score on our team was the Jungle Jax on my team.

She can but she's not very good at it; generally, if you snowball as LeB, you want to force objects and fights early and try to end the game relatively fast as while she's a great single target killer late, she can't really carry in the traditional sense of killing the whole enemy team.

Laudandus

2013-02-26, 05:57 PM

Rengar is fine, he just isn't broken strong now. Search for the few high ELO rengars that dominate as him; he has a really high skillcap because of how much his kit can do

I've never seen any of these people and was under the impression he was weak; are there any besides Voyboy occasionally ****ing around?

Eldariel

2013-02-26, 06:08 PM

So. After 3 months, Riot finally decided to pay me some of the RP I've won in December. Here's hoping they'll finally get rid of the backlog... Missing out on all the Christmas and New Year sales sucked plenty already.

ex cathedra

2013-02-26, 06:13 PM

I've never seen any of these people and was under the impression he was weak; are there any besides Voyboy occasionally ****ing around?

Voyboy and ZionSpartan are the only that I know of, and neither of them play him particularly often.

Nadevoc

2013-02-26, 06:40 PM

So over on General Discussion, the whole 'pick order vs call order' thing has been pretty big recently, including some reds chiming in. This includes one red saying he liked the idea of queuing for lane roles, which I really don't like; Morello has stated he doesn't like the idea, but it still spurred me to think about the whole champion selection process and come up with this suggestion and was hoping to get some input. I'm going to try to make a bit of a mock-up, but it might take awhile/turn out poorly since I'm not very graphically inclined.

The first time you queue for a draft game, you get directed to a prompt along the lines:

This is the first time you have queued for a draft game! Please select your preferred team roles. Your preferences will be saved and can be changed at any time through the options menu.

From there you fill in some information. Then during the champion select window, to the left of the champ portrait, there are three rows of smaller icons indicating your preferences to your team. Here is a very terrible mockup done quickly in MS Paint to at least give you a bit of an idea of what it will look like:

http://i52.tinypic.com/rcujy9.png

The champ portrait and the summoner spells (right two boxes) are the same.

I'll work from the bottom row up for the new boxes, but each icon will have one of three states: colored, greyscale, or blacked out. If an icon is colored, that means you indicated a preference for it/that's what you want. If it's greyscale, it's something which you're capable of but not as good at/comfortable with. Blacked out means it's something you just aren't very good at.

Bottom row is solo lane/duo lane/jungle. I'm thinking solo lane is a lone warrior, duo lane is two warriors back to back, and jungle is either the Smite icon or a tree or something.

Mid row is physical or magic damage. Icons can be, respectively, a sword and a fireball or something.

Top row is Damage(glowing sword or bow), Bruiser(mace), Tank(shield), and Support(first aid type cross, glowing either red or green).

Hovering over an icon gives these descriptions for the four roles:
Damage: Prefers to focus on dealing tons of damage, with no little survivability (Archetypal champions: Kog'Maw, Miss Fortune)

Bruiser: Mixes offense and defense, able to both take and deal damage (Archetypal champions: Jax, Jarvan)

Tank/Disruptor: Prefers being able to take great amounts of damage, contributing with disruption and slow, over time damage. (Archetypal champions: Nautilus, Rammus)

Support: Prefers to bring out the best in others, concentrating on buffs, heals, and debuffs. (Archetypal champions: Sona, Soraka)

This gives you more information right up front when trying to work out team comp. It eliminates the rush to yell "MID!" fastest, and gives the select a bit less of a binary feel (since hopefully people will fill it out with some secondary role preferences; you'll be able to tell that a summoner prefers to play bruisers in a solo lane, but he's also open to playing pure damage champs and being in the jungle). The extra information should also hopefully help you work out conflicts; say you have two junglers who indicate a preference for 'Bruiser' and 'Tank'; you can be like, "Would either of you be willing to take Taric, Leona, or Alistar and play an aggressive/tanky/disruptive position in the support role?"

ChaosOS

2013-02-26, 06:59 PM

I've never seen any of these people and was under the impression he was weak; are there any besides Voyboy occasionally ****ing around?

http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173

Never seen him on stream playing anything that's not Rengar.

Dragonus45

2013-02-26, 07:11 PM

Whoooo, i made silver today. :smallcool: I'm in vlads infiltrators. Now to turn the game off and go outside.

toasty

2013-02-26, 07:18 PM

I've never seen any of these people and was under the impression he was weak; are there any besides Voyboy occasionally ****ing around?

Cris and FallenBandit

LordShotGun

2013-02-26, 07:28 PM

Big number in the header needs updating, and the previous thread should be added to the spoiler.

Thread has been altered.

ex cathedra

2013-02-26, 07:30 PM

http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173

Never seen him on stream playing anything that's not Rengar.
I'm pretty sure that's he's only platinum, though.

McDouggal

2013-02-26, 07:33 PM

I'm pretty sure that's he's only platinum, though.

Yes. "Only" platinum.

Godskook

2013-02-26, 07:36 PM

Whoooo, i made silver today. :smallcool: I'm in vlads infiltrators. Now to turn the game off and go outside.

Welcome to the Cool Kids League(TM). We even have Aether here, for as long as he decides to slum it in Silver before going back to gold.

ex cathedra

2013-02-26, 07:37 PM

Yes. "Only" platinum.

There's a solid 600 Elo difference between some platinum players and some diamond players, and that's bound to increase as the season progresses. It's big enough to distinguish between "high Elo" and high Elo, you know?

McDouggal

2013-02-26, 07:39 PM

There's a solid 600 Elo difference between some platinum players and some diamond players, and that's bound to increase as the season progresses. It's big enough to distinguish between "high Elo" and high Elo, you know?

*goes and sits in my bronze IV corner*

Math_Mage

2013-02-26, 07:53 PM

toasty

2013-02-26, 09:18 PM

On the one hand, I'm irritated by the attitude of only aping champ selection of diamond players. On the other hand, I'm irritated by the attitude that to prove a champ is good, it's sufficient to claim he has a high skillcap and point to unspecified players who do well with him in solo queue sometimes. Rather than take sides, Imma just sit on the sidelines flinging poo at all y'all.

To be fair the players I referenced (at least... one of them, and FallenBandit plays top lane for DNG now so...) played him in a competitive game, on a team. :smalltongue:

ChaosOS

2013-02-27, 12:07 AM

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 12:30 AM

Welcome to the Cool Kids League(TM). We even have Aether here, for as long as he decides to slum it in Silver before going back to gold.

On this note, 2-0'd my Silver III series and got promoted to Silver I. Finally. ;D It's nice to get past the somewhat poor luck I had near the end of my placements.

Godskook

2013-02-27, 01:02 AM

On this note, 2-0'd my Silver III series and got promoted to Silver I. Finally. ;D It's nice to get past the somewhat poor luck I had near the end of my placements.

Did you just skip Silver II entirely?

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 01:09 AM

Did you just skip Silver II entirely?

Yup. I was getting ridiculous league point gains per game in Silver III; like, an average of 29 LP per win.

PersonMan

2013-02-27, 01:17 AM

As someone who does play rengar with some regularity, he isn't as stupidly broken as he once was, and it takes a couple games to really learn how to play him, which results in people thinking he's trash since they were used to super easy wins or didn't seriously try him.

Well he got nerfed a while ago, but to be honest the W buff, BT Necklace buff and the changing of his ult back to its old duration really brought him back to a strong position.

Interestingly enough, when I read the patch notes I thought it was another nerf before I ran the numbers and realized that the 10 base AD was in addition to the 2 AD per level.

This is true for both Q Assault and health stack Rengar, although I've stopped playing the second after I discovered "hey, I can instagib people".

Nadevoc

2013-02-27, 02:15 AM

Just got out of an awesome game...

http://i51.tinypic.com/2urb312.png

Yes, 4 AP mids and lane Udyr. We killed their Rengar at his red then all ran mid and started shoving. Rengar and Voli showed up to help Kass about the same time we broke the second tower, while Zed and Fizz tried to shove their lanes. We managed to take the mid inhib, then all recalled and went bot to do the same thing. Then top. Then victory. One of those things that just should not work at all, but comes out of left field so the enemy team doesn't react properly.

ChaosOS

2013-02-27, 02:17 AM

Well he got nerfed a while ago, but to be honest the W buff, BT Necklace buff and the changing of his ult back to its old duration really brought him back to a strong position.

Interestingly enough, when I read the patch notes I thought it was another nerf before I ran the numbers and realized that the 10 base AD was in addition to the 2 AD per level.

This is true for both Q Assault and health stack Rengar, although I've stopped playing the second after I discovered "hey, I can instagib people".

Yeah, I will agree for a bit he was overnerfed. Assassin rengar is my preferred version also; the W change wasn't helpful really for tankgar. Plus, tankgar has a hard time carrying via overwhelming gank pressure

toasty

2013-02-27, 02:30 AM

Yeah, I will agree for a bit he was overnerfed. Assassin rengar is my preferred version also; the W change wasn't helpful really for tankgar. Plus, tankgar has a hard time carrying via overwhelming gank pressure

Carry like Caomei and Voy always did: Split push and use Ult to escape.

Godskook

2013-02-27, 02:40 AM

Just got out of an awesome game...

That Udyr build hurts me inside, man. Like....really really bad.

Nadevoc

2013-02-27, 02:57 AM

That Udyr build hurts me inside, man. Like....really really bad.

The entire goal of that build was to get a screenshot of it winning, then post it here to cause you tears.

By which I mean that I was sorta fooling around because the game was going as it was. I figure BoRK should actually be a decent item on tiger Udyr, though probably not rushed. And the start towards Tri Force was actually very late in the game - we had mid and bottom inhibs and two towers top already.

Oh, and the boots were because I was more or less the one actually destroying the towers, and wanted to kill them faster, so AS boots seemed like the right choice there.

Realistically for top Udyr I'm thinking something like Treads or Swifties, BoRK, Mallet, Warmogs, Spirit Visage, other sweet defense item. Though Sheen would be pretty good on Udyr, might have to try to fit that in there somewhere...

Cogwheel

2013-02-27, 03:43 AM

Though Sheen would be pretty good on Udyr, might have to try to fit that in there somewhere...

If you get Sheen at all, I have trouble envisioning Iceborn Gauntlet as anything but excellent.

Speaking of which, Gauntlet Yorick is a thing of beauty.

Godskook

2013-02-27, 04:06 AM

Realistically for top Udyr I'm thinking something like Treads or Swifties, BoRK, Mallet, Warmogs, Spirit Visage, other sweet defense item. Though Sheen would be pretty good on Udyr, might have to try to fit that in there somewhere...

1.I suspect that Fist > Mallet in terms of an item-slow.

2.I have a really hard time buying a squish item Udyr. I have an even harder time overlooking Zephyr in that discussion.

3.Near-full CDR is useful on him for damage output. It speeds up how often you get Turtle and Tiger, and makes Bear and Phoenix mostly perma-buffs.

Locket, Omen, and FH are all worth a look, as is Sunfire in certain situations. Remodeling your build, it might be Mercs/Fist/Lock/Visage/Mogs/(Omen-Sunfire-Zephyr).

While Triforce feels strong on Udyr, I couldn't ever buy one in S2 without being 5-10 kills ahead of the other team, by myself, although that was as Jungle-Dyr.

NineThePuma

2013-02-27, 05:51 AM

On the subject of Rengar:

Oh boy do I love him. He's delicious and really really awesome, both when he was released and for a long period after. It's unfortunate that he's just had this long string of nerfs, but at the moment I feel like he's in a very good place. I personally favor going Cleaver -> Tanky (Ideally Warvisage) with a Shurelia's in there somewhere for max CDR. If more offensive power than Shurelia's is desired, I prefer to pick up a second brutalizer into Ghost Blade; either way, the GP10 is useful early, before laning ends.

Talesin

2013-02-27, 07:36 AM

Just failed a game so hard yesterday. Got grabbed by blitz while standing in the tribrush bot and ended up in the baron pit. Flash didn't get me over the wall so gave away first blood.

As we got back my kog went and fought with their Trist/blitz combo while we were level 1 so I went deep to save him and we both came out under 100hp and this left kog struggling to farm. We basically got destroyed in that game and ended up having to try and play a protect the kog against akali, kat and nocturne. Ended badly.

Ended up 0 6 6 and thoroughly irritated that I was such a bad. 7 losses and 3 wins in my last 10 games, despite picking up first blood in 4 of the last 6. I think I need to spend time sorting out my builds and learning to last hit as an AP champ.

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 09:12 AM

Laudandus

2013-02-27, 09:30 AM

I don't really think that Cleaver is worth it until really late in the game; the upgrade from Bruta to Cleaver is underwhelming. I think that going Kindlegem -> Brutalizer -> Bloodthirster is generally superior.

I generally view Cleaver as a bruta upgrade as about as important as Mercurial Scimitar as a Quicksilver sash upgrade, that is to say you get it only when all your item slots are full

Nadevoc

2013-02-27, 10:11 AM

1.I suspect that Fist > Mallet in terms of an item-slow.

2.I have a really hard time buying a squish item Udyr. I have an even harder time overlooking Zephyr in that discussion.

3.Near-full CDR is useful on him for damage output. It speeds up how often you get Turtle and Tiger, and makes Bear and Phoenix mostly perma-buffs.

Locket, Omen, and FH are all worth a look, as is Sunfire in certain situations. Remodeling your build, it might be Mercs/Fist/Lock/Visage/Mogs/(Omen-Sunfire-Zephyr).

While Triforce feels strong on Udyr, I couldn't ever buy one in S2 without being 5-10 kills ahead of the other team, by myself, although that was as Jungle-Dyr.

1. That may be true, but Mallet gives a hefty chunk of health, which is a big reason I buy the item.

2. I lean towards Treads, which means I'll already have Tenacity. To me, that's what really makes Zephyr stand out; it's still a good item otherwise, but not crazy good.

3. I'll have to take this into consideration.

I started with a build used by a diamond player who spams Udyr. He was nearly pure squish, including 21/9/0, so I'm adding more tankiness (starting with going 9/21/0) to see what fits me. BoRK seems like a pretty strong item, especially given how many people are currently just stacking health, so basically I'm testing out using Udyr's huge AS buff to proc it.

The build I'm working from, by the way, is Boots +3 > 2 DBlade > BoRK > Wiggly Lantern > Zephyr. The Diamond guy can apparently solo baron at some point between 15-20 minutes doing this, though I couldn't manage it in a custom game test of it.

NineThePuma

2013-02-27, 10:41 AM

AP Bruiser support taric is apparently a thing of beauty.

Kage's + Banner of Command + Fighting enemies in the minion wave = I 1v1'd the enemy ADC.

PersonMan

2013-02-27, 10:41 AM

Carry like Caomei and Voy always did: Split push and use Ult to escape.

Although Assassingar does this better (split-push harder, if they send one Q-Assault him, if more, escape or Q-Assault anyways) it's still an option for Tankgar.

In general, though, after my experience with both, I'll say I do prefer Q-Assault Rengar, probably mainly because while being unkillable is fun, being unable to do much to help your team isn't.

Same reason I don't play Tank (or even just Tanky) Garen. Although in that case I was just traumatized by the one time I tried it...

I generally view Cleaver as a bruta upgrade as about as important as Mercurial Scimitar as a Quicksilver sash upgrade, that is to say you get it only when all your item slots are full

Yeah, unless you're in an odd 'man I could really use some HP...but don't want to build anything but full AD' situation (AKA me when I play Garen) or need the movespeed boost from Merc Scimitar, I'd leave the upgrades for late late game. Or absurdly fed game, as the case may be.

Qwertystop

2013-02-27, 11:11 AM

AP Bruiser support taric is apparently a thing of beauty.

Kage's + Banner of Command + Fighting enemies in the minion wave = I 1v1'd the enemy ADC.

I did that last night, except with Twin Shadows instead of Kages. I also had either an Aegis or a Bulwark.

Destroyed enemy Cass under her tower. Ult, stun, shatter, hammer. Didn't quite kill.

Ashen Lilies

2013-02-27, 11:12 AM

AP Bruiser support taric is apparently a thing of beauty.

Kage's + Banner of Command + Fighting enemies in the minion wave = I 1v1'd the enemy ADC.

Fixed that for you.

I'm just waiting for the current round of patches to go through so I can try my stupid Seraphs/Muramana Taric build. Or maybe something similar to Singed, with a RoA into manatank. Or both. The possibilities are endless!

Temotei

2013-02-27, 11:36 AM

I generally view Cleaver as a bruta upgrade as about as important as Mercurial Scimitar as a Quicksilver sash upgrade, that is to say you get it only when all your item slots are full

Agreed. Brutalizer is super good and cleaver is good, but it doesn't really introduce anything new except for the percentage armor shred, which isn't as good as CDR/defenses.

In other words, Kindlegem is the best item ever and you'll probably get two per game, maybe three.

JKTrickster

2013-02-27, 11:52 AM

So how do people build Rengar anyway?

Tanky Rengar or Assassin Rengar?

For Masteries I'm assuming one is 9/21 and the other would be 21/9?

For Tanky Rengar, you would probably need Warmogs, Spirit Visage, and Bulwark? But what damage items would you need?

Would Kindlegem be a good first item? Everyone here seems to like it!

How about Assassin Rengar? Is that simply pure AD items?

ChaosOS

2013-02-27, 12:07 PM

JKTrickster

2013-02-27, 01:06 PM

Is Bonetooth Necklace not good anymore?

toasty

2013-02-27, 01:19 PM

Is Bonetooth Necklace not good anymore?

Its a snowball item. Technically, by definition its not good. It was good before when both it and rengar were broken, but now... its kinda meh. Good, but meh.

Also: @tankgar not helping the team: you are a tank with a good gapcloser. Go and kill stuff. You have high, high base damage and can constantly spam spells because you stacked CDR (SV+Bruta = 30%CDR). You have mixed damage because W is magic, but everything else is physical.

Tanks help teams, its understanding the tank role vs the assassin role. Tanks start brawls and hit things till their team appears. Assassins clean up those brawls.

mrcarter11

2013-02-27, 02:01 PM

The_Ditto

2013-02-27, 02:03 PM

*goes and sits in my bronze IV corner*

Must be nice to BE ranked! :smalltongue:

Djinn_in_Tonic

2013-02-27, 02:06 PM

So I'm probably out of my element, but the necklace gives you nearly the same amount of AD as a BFS for about half the price, plus it gives you extra stats if you can pick up kills, I'd say that's good, no meh about it.

It matches efficiency with a BF sword in terms of gold ratio at level 11. So yes, it's good in that respect.

However, the BF sword builds into other items. If you want just the maximum AD for your buck at level 11+ and intend on finishing the game before you can finish an item, sure. Bonetooth Necklace will be pretty decent. But that's usually not the case, and so you'd rather have an item slot that you can use to build stronger items if you don't think you can stack the necklace well.

PersonMan

2013-02-27, 02:36 PM

Damage rengar build;
Dblade start
Boots
Brutalizer
CDR boots
SotD
Finish ghostblade
Another brutalizer OR last whisper
brut/LW
IE
Randuins Omen or other defensive item

Boots upgrade as needed, when needed. Global mobility is alacrity, furor for anti-kite, Homeguard 'cause its cool

I generally go for BT-Necklace-SotD as damage items, everything else going for tankiness unless it's one of those crazy games where you can just build more damage without a problem.

Generally when playing Q-Assault Rengar I just want to snowball absurdly and either end the game early or become a 'your ADC is now gone' button.

--

Also, what's the general consensus on Garen v Volibear top? I just played the lane and it seemed like he couldn't do much of anything, but he was probably a free weeker, so...

Anarion

2013-02-27, 02:53 PM

Also, what's the general consensus on Garen v Volibear top? I just played the lane and it seemed like he couldn't do much of anything, but he was probably a free weeker, so...

I've never played it, but I would theorycraft that it would favor Garen a bit. They're both regenerating and farming. Garen does incidental damage with his spin and as he levels can push the lane really hard. Voli does aoe damage and fears the minions, but without jungler interference, I feel like Garen would end up pushing harder and ultimately win the lane. That said, if one were to notably out cs the other, or if there were a good jungle gank, I think that would tip the matchup.

Forrestfire

2013-02-27, 03:46 PM

MCerberus

2013-02-27, 03:52 PM

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/ustaaz/DrillSergeantSupport.png

That Voli build...
Two sources of tenacity, two sources of early regen, no jungle claws, no AS item.

edit - boots of speed taric. *Uncontrolled vomit*

PersonMan

2013-02-27, 03:55 PM

That Voli build...
Two sources of tenacity, two sources of early regen, no jungle claws, no AS item.

I don't even play Volibear and am wondering what the heck he's doing.

Forrestfire

2013-02-27, 03:56 PM

That Voli build...
Two sources of tenacity, two sources of early regen, no jungle claws, no AS item.

edit - boots of speed taric. *Uncontrolled vomit*

How about that mercurial scimitar on Lee?

Also, I think Volibear's Banshee's Veil won more teamfights than caitlin's entire existence did. It's really hard to stop him from running in when I need to wait for someone to pop it before I can W him...

Math_Mage

2013-02-27, 04:00 PM

I've never played it, but I would theorycraft that it would favor Garen a bit. They're both regenerating and farming. Garen does incidental damage with his spin and as he levels can push the lane really hard. Voli does aoe damage and fears the minions, but without jungler interference, I feel like Garen would end up pushing harder and ultimately win the lane. That said, if one were to notably out cs the other, or if there were a good jungle gank, I think that would tip the matchup.

Seems like Voli can AA through Garen's combo and then do significantly more damage with his own, though.

PersonMan

2013-02-27, 04:05 PM

Seems like Voli can AA through Garen's combo and then do significantly more damage with his own, though.

I did notice some of this, but was able to compensate by actually having experience with my champion.

It does seem like Garen has the sustain advantage, though, especially if he goes for some early D Blades.

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 04:11 PM

What's so terrible about the above Voli build? It's not optimal (BVeil and Spirit should be some combination of Locket, Sunfire, Bulwark, and Spirit Visage) but it's by no means bad.

Forrestfire

2013-02-27, 04:13 PM

I feel like it's mostly the stacking of tenacity that is bad about it.

And he bought BV in response to me shutting down his initiation every fight, and as I said, it worked extremely well for making it harder to stop him from running in.

TechnOkami

2013-02-27, 04:27 PM

I am proud to finally say that I can finally adequately ADC as Catilyn.

MCerberus

2013-02-27, 04:30 PM

What's so terrible about the above Voli build? It's not optimal (BVeil and Spirit should be some combination of Locket, Sunfire, Bulwark, and Spirit Visage) but it's by no means bad.

1. Stacking tenacity, or, it doesn't
2. His early jungling is slow, and he has an innate AS booster. Always get razors.
3. He's putting a lot of weight towards magic damage, yet he picked... awful items for just against magic damage
4. He is Volibear, and #3 happened. Yet no spirit Visage
5. Spirit stone + philo is a lot of early gold going towards something that doesn't help with ganks. The bear lives off his ganks
6. His full build didn't put in a Zephyr, Shiv, or hell even a Wit's. His damage is pitiful
7. His HP is comically low for how complete his build is.

For a vs magic tank what would have been better is

Rush razor -> boots 1 -> 'Mogs (or just belt until you get Aegis) -> Boots 3/mercs -> Aegis -> Visage -> Bulwark -> Sell razor, get Zephyr (sell mercs for boots 3 if applicable)

Round out with health item of choice

Anarion

2013-02-27, 05:20 PM

Good god... :smallannoyed:

Just... Ugh. The game starts with them flashing five people over the wall into red and killing lee. Shen begins raging and continues to rage because lee sin couldn't gank his lane for a while. Meanwhile, neither ADC knows how to farm in bot lane.

After a series of horrible fights where one or two kills were exchanged, we start winning bot lane and push, but MF is a leeroy jenkins so we didn't get to take the turret until later.

Meanwhile, eve is getting extremely fed.

Around twenty-five minutes in, they took baron and people started giving the "we can't win this so it doesn't matter if I feed" speeches. At this point, after pleading to get along for a half hour, I stopped being nice and just flat out ordered people to do stuff. For twenty minutes.

We won because every fight, even if we couldn't kill Eve, I hit her with my W whenever she jumped on someone, then we focused everyone else. The last fight ended with me, shen, and lux pushing the nexus with Eve running on and off the fountain, and getting E-Q-W'd every time she tried to engage, while minions pushed and won.

But good god! It's like herding cats! :smalleek::smallannoyed:

Also, I managed to get seven kills off of the bolts from my passive running into someone by accident. I still have no idea how this happened so many times.

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On a personal note, I prefer Locket over Shurelya's on Lulu, but I like how you're the only person on your team with a positive KDA ratio.

Also, I don't know if this is a trend or what, but I feel like people have no idea how to play against Volibear. Like, every game I'm in where somebody has him, either on my team or the other team, people get run down, tossed, and die a lot and it more or less decides the game in the first 10 minutes or so. It's getting kind of annoying especially when people don't learn. I've had tw particularly egregious examples. One being top lane Kennen where he died a couple times and then kept trying to fight Voli on his own tower and not understanding that Voli would come in and kill him and then heal and just live through the tower repeatedly thanks to the early gold lead. And one with a support Kayle where Kayle kept walking up to the unwarded bushes in bot lane despite me telling him not to.

Seems like Voli can AA through Garen's combo and then do significantly more damage with his own, though.

Maybe it would work better for Garen to spin first, then use his Q to disengage? As I said, I don't really play either champ, I'm just theorycrafting from what I've seen.

Math_Mage

2013-02-27, 05:29 PM

If Garen spins first, Voli can either walk away if his W isn't coming up, or outright win the trade if his W is up. As an additional aside, Voli supports ganks way better than Garen.

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All this talk about Voli's build in that game, and nobody mentions that the game should have been over when Fiora and Eve coordinated their ults to take out Lux and MF...except apparently that never happened. :smallconfused: Apparently Eve was too busy raging.

Forrestfire

2013-02-27, 05:49 PM

A lot of what happened is a combination of them not knowing how to engage, and us being able to run away faster than they could actually kill someone, resulting in Fiora's ult dragging her into three of us while shen and lee kept the rest of them from engaging.

Thanks to eve taking all of the kills, the rest of their team really wasn't scary at all.

toasty

2013-02-27, 06:52 PM

All this talk about Voli's build in that game, and nobody mentions that the game should have been over when Fiora and Eve coordinated their ults to take out Lux and MF...except apparently that never happened. :smallconfused: Apparently Eve was too busy raging.

Welcome to Bronze my friend, where initiation isn't so much "okay lets go!" and more of "Oh **** oh **** oh **** ... umm... yeah... that worked." :smalltongue:

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 06:53 PM

1. Stacking tenacity, or, it doesn't
2. His early jungling is slow, and he has an innate AS booster. Always get razors.
3. He's putting a lot of weight towards magic damage, yet he picked... awful items for just against magic damage
4. He is Volibear, and #3 happened. Yet no spirit Visage
5. Spirit stone + philo is a lot of early gold going towards something that doesn't help with ganks. The bear lives off his ganks
6. His full build didn't put in a Zephyr, Shiv, or hell even a Wit's. His damage is pitiful
7. His HP is comically low for how complete his build is.

For a vs magic tank what would have been better is

Rush razor -> boots 1 -> 'Mogs (or just belt until you get Aegis) -> Boots 3/mercs -> Aegis -> Visage -> Bulwark -> Sell razor, get Zephyr (sell mercs for boots 3 if applicable)

Round out with health item of choice

Recently, I've been making an conscious effort at being less condescending; posts like this make it a bit difficult. You describe his HP has "comically low" and then immediately suggest a build with less HP. I just, like, mean that reading posts before submitting them is a good habit to have. You get that BVeil gives the same amount of HP as Bulwark, right? And that Shurelya's gives more HP than Visage? And that Ancient Golem gives as much HP as Randuin's? The build you're suggesting not only has less health on a per-item basis, but it has twice as many item slots that give no HP whatsoever. Every item but Merc treads on the build in question gives HP, assuming (fairly) that the chain vest is turning into Randuin's or Sunfire Cape. How would you ever compete with that build's HP if you're dedicating an item slot to Zephyr?

1: Yeah, two sources of tenacity is sub-optimal. However, the stats that his tenacity items give (aside from tenacity, obviously) are highly desireable in the first place. Merc Treads are the best source of Tenacity you'll get on Volibear (Zephyr sucks on someone that's so easy to peel), and so while it's true that the Golem's tenacity subsequently goes to waste it's still giving you 500 HP and 35 armor. Obviously less efficient than getting the same stats plus CDR/utility/damage from Locket/Randuin's/Sunfire Cape, but the basic stats are still very similar.

2: Shrug. Spirit Stone has mildly more synergy with the E-max that's standard among Voli jungle. Again, it's probably suboptimal but it is by no means unviable or bad.

3: If I was playing against trash Lux's/Lulu's/Lee Sin's that couldn't pop my veil with their E/Q/Qs, I would get it too. If Veil actually ate Binding or Polymorph every fight (which was the case, according to Forrestfire, wasn't it?) it would be hella strong.

5: Literally what early items would give you better ganks than Shurelya's, other than Boots of Mobility?

6: I don't really feel like Volibear needs to itemize any damage. You aren't Irelia or Vi (and even Vi only builds a single damage item); you can't reliably dive their carry. Volibear's gapcloser is super weak and he's very easy to peel. Buying damage makes you better at killing carries, but doesn't alleviate either of the two problems that actually prevent him from killing carries in the first place.

7: lol.

dgnslyr

2013-02-27, 07:00 PM

Is Bonetooth Necklace not good anymore?

At level 10 and 3 stacks, it becomes a bargain-bin Brutalizer, costing 537 less gold while giving 5% less CDR. Take that as you will, but that sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Math_Mage

2013-02-27, 07:56 PM

You aren't Irelia or Vi (and even Vi only builds a single damage item)

Nitpick: I'm seeing Cleaver, Bloodthirster, and Maw in typical Vi builds and build guides; Last Whisper as a situational build, as well. Less so in the jungle as Vi doesn't have the gold to build all that damage, but still.

toasty

2013-02-27, 07:59 PM

6: I don't really feel like Volibear needs to itemize any damage. You aren't Irelia or Vi (and even Vi only builds a single damage item); you can't reliably dive their carry. Volibear's gapcloser is super weak and he's very easy to peel. Buying damage makes you better at killing carries, but doesn't alleviate either of the two problems that actually prevent him from killing carries in the first place.

Lemme follow up on this: Building damage, on a lot of heroes, is a huge waste of effort. In fact, beyond Kayle, I can think of no jungler played at the Tournament level that prioritizes AD, Attack speed, or Critical Strike. Sometimes you'll get some lifesteal (Wriggles). Obviously Bruta and the Spirit Elder Lizard built on a few heroes like Vi and Hecarim, but beyond that... you ... don't... itemize damage. Realize that heroes like Xin Zhao and Hecarim have AMAZING Gap Closers and they build full tank often (Okay, Spirit of the Elder Lizard and Glacial Shroud isn't technically full tank, but its pretty darned tanky). Nocturne, a jungler who has remained constant throughout Season 2 and into Season 3, beyond wriggles, dosn't build damage items. Maybe Frozen Mallet, but more likely Iron Solari and Bulwark.

Why is this? Because junglers are tanks. Now, you might think "But Toasty, didn't Saint just get 8 kills on xin?" To which I would reply three things, A) yes, but Xin is OP and he's getting nerfed" B) Saint likes to killsteal/carry C) Saint still built tank.

As a sixth item... okay... yes, you can maybe build damage, and I'm unfamiliar with Volibear, but again, realize that even the mobile, gap closing junglers like their tanky builds. Junglers are still a utility focused tank. Xin Zhao isn't OP because of his damage, he's OP because his utility focused kit creates damage oppurtunity. 2 years ago when TRM still played with TSM him and regi got into an argument (actually, that happened all the time:smallbiggrin:) over how to build Chogath, and the oddone pointed out that CDR = more spells = more damage.

Its important to note that Spirit Visage, Frozen Heart, and Locket of the Iron Solari give CDR. Locket+Spirit Visage+Iceborn Gaunlet gives you 40% CDR. Throw in a warmogs and you literally have all the defensive stats you need AND the ability to constantly spam all your spells. Now, don't expect to get that much gold every game (or even be allowed to build SV every game. If your team does not have a bulwark/aegis that's almost ALWAYS the item you need to build). You never die, and because you never die, you can use all your spells a lot, and because you have 40% CDR you can use them EVEN MORE and because you are using your spells a lot you are doing a lot of damage. THIS is the principle of the Tank.

Anyways... your resident Silver II jungler who only builds full tank on every hero he plays because he doesn't like dying and dives a lot. :smallbiggrin:

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 08:10 PM

Nitpick: I'm seeing Cleaver, Bloodthirster, and Maw in typical Vi builds and build guides; Last Whisper as a situational build, as well. Less so in the jungle as Vi doesn't have the gold to build all that damage, but still.

According to Elo buff, Vi is played as a jungle (read: takes smite) 98.67% of the time. This makes me feel much less bad about not even considering lane Vi. Seriously, though, because of the high base cooldowns on her passive and Q she's actually quite bad during early laning. Her kit feels much stronger in the jungle.

Anyways, I'm not seeing any of those items (either from personal experience or on streams/tournament games). Cleaver, bruta (obviously), and Lizard Elder are pretty much the only offensive items I see on players who know how to play Vi; I've seen more Triforces, Zephyrs, and Wit's Ends (I-don't-know-how-to-play-Vi items) than Bloodthirsters, Maws, Hexdrinkers, or Last Whispers.

Temotei

2013-02-27, 08:13 PM

Nitpick: I'm seeing Cleaver, Bloodthirster, and Maw in typical Vi builds and build guides; Last Whisper as a situational build, as well. Less so in the jungle as Vi doesn't have the gold to build all that damage, but still.

I've tried things like this. If you're laning, cleaver is okay after brutalizer and all of your CDR/Health/defenses. Bloodthirster is meh, in my experience. Maw is fine, but I've had better experience with other items for damage/defense. Last whisper is fine if you need the damage and you're all good on defenses and more offense will actually make you better at defense (by killing them faster and whatnot). Last whisper is just better than BT, in my experience, and I prefer it to maw, though maw provides some effective health.

Basically, I disagree with those guides because going bawlz deep is your thing and if you're not tanky as all get out, you're not going to be okay. So the above items are meh, in general.

EDIT: And I have been ninja'd with a fine explanation that probably sounded better than mine.

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 08:16 PM

Also, it's worth noting that the ridic base damage on Q, W, E, R, Lizard Elder, and Sunfire Cape Vi can 1v1 the enemy AD carry at almost every stage of the game. Damage might become more viable on her after she gets nerfed; for the time being, it's completely unnecessary.

Edit:
Seriously, though, her AD scaling is bad. Her Q's full charge is only a 1.4 bonus AD ratio; compare to Udyr's Q's 1.5 total AD, Lee Sin's QQ's 1.8 bonus AD, Kha'Zix's Q's pre-nerf 2.4 bonus AD and post-nerf 2.0 bonus AD.

And her attack speed scaling is completely out-classed by her CDR scaling. For reals. Damage items suck on Vi.

Godskook

2013-02-27, 10:53 PM

It matches efficiency with a BF sword in terms of gold ratio at level 11. So yes, it's good in that respect.

However, the BF sword builds into other items. If you want just the maximum AD for your buck at level 11+ and intend on finishing the game before you can finish an item, sure. Bonetooth Necklace will be pretty decent. But that's usually not the case, and so you'd rather have an item slot that you can use to build stronger items if you don't think you can stack the necklace well.

1.Considering that most games are either finished or at least largely decided before you start considering a 6th item, gold efficiency is a lot more important than you're making it out to be. Combined with the relative ease with which a Rengar can stack it, as long as fights aren't going really poorly, it seems like a good buy in any case where you want to devote 800g to raw damage.

2.Nitpick, but the break-even point is more accurately lvl 9(34.4 g/AD versus 34.8 g/AD). The wiki has the information wrong on this one, and I'm guessing that's where you got your info.

edit - boots of speed taric. *Uncontrolled vomit*

Are good boots a problem to your digestive tract or something? I mean, cases could be made that Tabi, Merc's or Mobo could've been better, but none of them categorically better, especially when Taric is largely burst and isn't a priority CC target.

Recently, I've been making an conscious effort at being less condescending; posts like this make it a bit difficult.

I've actually noticed this man, but please, don't let "being less condescending" mean "not posting". Keep in mind, its less "what you say" and more "how you say it" that gets people riled up(at least most of the time).

TheShrike

2013-02-27, 10:54 PM

dgnslyr

2013-02-27, 11:00 PM

Sure, Bonetooth Necklace starts off as 'just' an efficient pile of AD, but if you sit on it for a bit, and do some fighting, it turns into a pair of shoes attached to a bargain-price Brutalizer. After all, if one Brutalizer is good, then two must be better, right? While there's a fair argument against buying a bit of AD that doesn't do anything else, the extra bonuses from stacks aren't bad at all and I'd say the first two aren't unreasonable to obtain.

ex cathedra

2013-02-27, 11:02 PM

After all, if one Brutalizer is good, then two must be better, right?

Precisely; this is why 5 Doran's blades + boots into double Bloodthirster is about as cookie-cutter as AD carry builds get.

Edit:

Aaaaand here's some actual content:

I think that Bonetooth Necklace is viable, however I (personally) would never build it. Here's why:

It clashes with his early game buys.
It's stats are fine and everything, but Kindlegem and Brutalizer are just better. Their stats are either strictly higher or strictly more valuable than BTN's at the stage of the game where you're considering these purchases. Bruta and Kindle give all of their stats up-front while also scaling into the lategame via a mechanic (gold-based item upgrades) that's much more reliable than BTN's (snowball-based item upgrades). If you haven't purchased Kindlegem or Brutalizer, it would be a mistake to purchase a Bonetooth Necklace instead of one of them in almost every case.

Hopefully that's something that we can agree on; that BTN's stats are less immediately desirable than those of Bruta/Kindlegem. You can, of course, buy all three of them, but I don't think that is a good idea. Much like buying four Doran's blades is probably not a good idea (despite the fact that one or maybe sometimes two is good), filling your inventory with early game items can end poorly. You have less room for wards, less room for potions, and less room for big item components. The thing about BTN is that it's a snowball item -- an item that's good when you're doing well-- but that's the thing. If you're doing well, due to the way League works, you're better off just buying a normal item. Finished items are super gold efficient, just like BTN, but finished items tend to also be slot efficient.

Someone made the comparison between BF sword and BTN, but that's not a fair comparison. No one (intentionally) ends the game with a BFS in their inventory. BFS isn't good because it's 45 AD for 1550 gold, BFS is good because it turns into Bloodthirster/IE. BT is the good item; BT is the item that gives ~220% of BF Sword's AD for ~206% of BF Sword's gold cost and throws in an additional 18% lifesteal for free.

Bloodthirster's real value is gated behind something that's reliable: minion waves. BTN's real value is gated behind something that's unreliable: a combination of takedowns and avoiding death. If Rengar was someone like Lux or Anivia-- someone who could contribute heavily to teamfights and safely from range-- it would be different. That's not what Rengar does, though. He split-pushes. He sits in the middle of teamfights and fights in melee range. He absorbs damage.

Grytorm

2013-02-28, 12:50 AM

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 12:56 AM

Still trying to play LeBlanc a lot. Any advice on how to get close enough to the squishys to combo one of the carries during a teamfight? I assume that some sort of good initiation would go well for that. Jarvan, Malphite, or Amumu.

It's more about finding the right staging ground, honestly. E.g. distorting from wraith camp into a lane area teamfight and blowing someone up, then canceling out.

MCerberus

2013-02-28, 01:05 AM

Alright I was likely a little harsh on that guy, but it still stands, bad choices.

For example, early. Madreds gives you armor and AD to apply to ganks (not even talking early dragons), Spirit Stone gives you... regen. Ruby + wards allows you fight better and help the laner with fresh ward delivery. Philo gives you... regen.

BVeil gives you a rather finicky buff, health, mana and MR. Visage combines with Warmog's, gives MR, buffs your passive, and gives you 20% CDR.

Godskook

2013-02-28, 01:24 AM

Still trying to play LeBlanc a lot. Any advice on how to get close enough to the squishys to combo one of the carries during a teamfight? I assume that some sort of good initiation would go well for that. Jarvan, Malphite, or Amumu.

Against opponents good enough to stay outside your W's damage range, W is relegated to a positioning tool role. Your combo now relies on landing E's to deal your ult-Q's proc damage. As MathMage pointed out, finding positions to launch this W-positioning tactic from is partially key, and vision is incredibly important to that goal.

Mattarias, King.

2013-02-28, 03:30 AM

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 04:37 AM

So based on CLG's recent performances, I feel I can safely say that Team Inversion could probably take out CLG in a best of 3. End facetious mocking of CLG here.

EDIT: Speaking of Team Inversion, after our recent friendly matches against them, I decided we should probably find a way to even it out. As such, I was thinking we should try role-switching, and my worst lane is ADC. As such, I decided to lose a couple games with my team to try and learn a bit how to ADC.

I kinda carried a little.

I think I might like ADC. I feel a little dirty

...

Sorry that I haven't been online. Been sick and seeing things.

EDIT: DERP, Aussie servers confirmed. (http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20130227/678/riot-games-sydney)

EDITEDIT: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35115553#post35115553 Liandry's DOT bug fixed.

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 04:46 AM

Hrm. Welp, I've realized two things lately:

1)I am BAD at being a ranged ADC*.
and
2)I have no idea how to deal with tanky divers like Xin or Voli 1v1. :\

Any tips or suggestions? I trust you guys more than GD. :smallsigh:

*That isn't Kayle. Because Kayle is the best ever.

Kite 'em all day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On-7QLVY374) Make them chase you through your team, autoattacking as you move. Use CC or blinks to reestablish distance and prioritize staying alive. Avoid positions where they can jump on you without going through your team.

Winthur

2013-02-28, 04:46 AM

Hrm. Welp, I've realized two things lately:

1)I am BAD at being a ranged ADC*.
and
2)I have no idea how to deal with tanky divers like Xin or Voli 1v1. :\

Any tips or suggestions? I trust you guys more than GD. :smallsigh:

*That isn't Kayle. Because Kayle is the best ever.

You kind of can't deal by yourself with tanky divers that have sticking power; currently their build options kinda cause them to pretty much go Liam Neeson on you ("I'll find you and I'll kill you"). Maybe if you're Vayne, who's probably the best 1v1 AD carry given equal farm. In Season 2 you used to be able to punch through their armor and kill them in a few hits, now you take many more hits but your HP pool isn't near their level. You will need someone to peel for you; that is, your support. You also need to pick a moment in a teamfight where most CC is blown so you don't get hit by dumb stuff like Vi's supress. You also should make judicious use of the attack-move command (on the "A" button) - it will make your character attack anything within his range, which makes it really easy to just deal damage, since, as AD carry, you just want to deal as much damage without dying, no matter who are you actually hitting -- nobody can expect you to Arcane Shift into the middle of their team to battle their AD carry.

My suggestion is to find yourself a nice guy who's dedicated to support and decent at it (I could help you out in that regard, but I don't play on NA anymore really) and play with him, improve together, have him rat you out of skirmishes wth bruisers while you get more comfortable with positioning. Try out something easy like Ezreal (sure you have a lot of skillshots, but they shouldn't be hard to hit and your mobility is godlike; then again, your damage scaling is on the lower end for AD carries), progress into something a bit more difficult like Caitlyn (whose entire difficulty is making the most out of her kit) and maybe Kog'maw (where you don't have any escapes but your damage potential rocks the house) or Miss Fortune (you don't have a dash again, but you're decently mobile and your laning and your ultimate is brutal).

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 06:49 AM

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 07:16 AM

TIL there are limits to how hard Tristana can carry. (http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/1325088/download/) To dominate lane, snowball the map, make all the calls, and put the team on your back...only to have them actively jump off just so they can bitch at each other on the way down...is crazy frustrating. :smallannoyed:

Watched it - that last fight at bot inhib/tower, you were off farming top lane. The opponents knew it, and initiated the 5v4 fight. You also got kill greedy, and would stay in and take hits from Hecarim, Diana, or Kha'zix in exhange for ONE kill. ADC needs to stay at the perimiter of the fight, and fight from there, not secure kills.

EDIT-posted this question on GD. Looking for pokey/disengagey junglers.

Suggestions were Trundle, Kha'zix, and Cho'Gath. (Lee Sin as well, but when the disengae is an ult... Yeah.) Any others/suggestions on how to play these?

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 08:02 AM

Watched it - that last fight at bot inhib/tower, you were off farming top lane. The opponents knew it, and initiated the 5v4 fight. You also got kill greedy, and would stay in and take hits from Hecarim, Diana, or Kha'zix in exhange for ONE kill. ADC needs to stay at the perimiter of the fight, and fight from there, not secure kills.

EDIT-posted this question on GD. Looking for pokey/disengagey junglers.

Suggestions were Trundle, Kha'zix, and Cho'Gath. (Lee Sin as well, but when the disengae is an ult... Yeah.) Any others/suggestions on how to play these?

A couple of instances of clear mistakes. I think you underestimate the impact of the team falling apart due to the replay's lack of chat. Last 5 minutes? Honestly didn't want my team to win anymore. You know the feeling.

Hard to mention pokey disengagey junglers without bringing up Maokai. But the listed champions have very different playstyles. Trundle strategically places Pillar to impede the enemy, ults the tank to steal his tankiness, and wades into a fight. Kha'zix leaps in, throws out his combo, and then decides whether to chase or back off. Cho is about Rupture placement and counter-initiation silences. Maokai throws around saplings for vision, roots to catch or to peel, and ults the team for damage reduction.

Ashen Lilies

2013-02-28, 09:09 AM

Do you want one of these as a single member who can do both, or as the fifth member of a proper poke/siege comp (ala Inversion vs. Unseen Threat, match 3)?

Trundle is easy mode disengage, from what I understand. Throw up your pillar in front of the enemy, everyone backs out. No poke on his own, though.

Kha has a lot of poke, especially when upgraded (as you should) and his poke happens to slow everyone as well when upgraded (as you should), which happens to be quite good at stopping an advancing enemy in their tracks, I think.

Cho is absolutely godlike for disengages if you know how to land your Rupture defensively (I can... but can't for the life of me land it offensively, so my ganks as Jungle Cho are crap). Max range Ruptures are his only poke.

Mundo has cleavers? His ult is good for getting himself out of sticky situations, less so for the rest of your team.

Jarvan? Poke with Q, peel and disengage with EQ or Ult-Flash if necessary?

Xin doesn't have poke, but his ult is really good for disengage, much like Lee Sin's...

I'm running out of ideas here.

PersonMan

2013-02-28, 11:27 AM

So, what are everyone's current thoughts on the Spirit Stone items?

Spirit Stone itself seems like it isn't worth taking over Philo Stone to me (I once built both, but that was as top lane Maokai, which I have yet to play again ever since the second time, for the super-duper sustain combo, which...wasn't actually very impressive.), especially with Shurelya's upgrading from it.

I've only taken the Spirit of the Ancient Golem when I needed Tenacity but had already bought Ninja Tabi. Warmog's and Sunfire Cape seem like better options if you're building a Giant HP Bar Belt Giant's Belt in the first place.

I bought Spirit of the Lizard Elder but the burn doesn't seem worth it (all it does is remind me of a really weird graphics glitch I had one day where, instead of those normal lines or frost things on the ground, oddly morphed Ignite icons trailed behind me), I'd rather just get Philo Stone + other 975 gold item instead of the parts.

I got Spirit of the Spectral Wraith zero times. It seems like a cool addition to the Trolllesticks (pronounced Troll'l'sticks) "I heal over 100% of the damage dealt by my Drain" but good for little else since it still builds out of Revolver which I can't see myself buying on potentially spellvamping junglers.

Do they really just not fit in, or am I missing something?

LordShotGun

2013-02-28, 12:25 PM

So, what are everyone's current thoughts on the Spirit Stone items?

I kinda agree. I mean, I never play a champ that doesn't build razor except the very rare occasion that I get to play amumu.

Locket is better then Spirit of Ancient Golem, giving better armor and effective health (well by level 5 anyway since it's shield is 50+10 * level) across everyone and merc treads is faster and easier to get for early tenacity.

Only Hecarim and maybe Vi get Spirit of Elder Lizard, otherwise there are better damage items.

The only champ that I see Spectral wraith on is jungle eve and that is more of the spell vamp working to keep her from dying in jungle which as eve you should only be farming if no lane is possible to be ganked.

Silverraptor

2013-02-28, 12:29 PM

PersonMan

2013-02-28, 01:24 PM

Watched it - that last fight at bot inhib/tower, you were off farming top lane. The opponents knew it, and initiated the 5v4 fight. You also got kill greedy, and would stay in and take hits from Hecarim, Diana, or Kha'zix in exhange for ONE kill.

This (the bolded especially), plus the general tone of the post, says to me that he lost the game.

I can't actually watch the replay, though,

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 01:30 PM

Anarion

2013-02-28, 01:45 PM

Hrm. Welp, I've realized two things lately:

1)I am BAD at being a ranged ADC*.
and
2)I have no idea how to deal with tanky divers like Xin or Voli 1v1. :\

Any tips or suggestions? I trust you guys more than GD. :smallsigh:

Don't get dived. The power of a character like Xin or Vi is that they can come at you, nothing can stop them, and they can and will kill you. What that actually means is that as the carry you can't go into the front of a teamfight. If the other team is way ahead of you, maybe you can't go into the teamfight at all, at least at first. You have to make Xin or Voli or whoever be forced to run through the rest of your team if they're trying to get to you, and if they die or blow their abilities, then you get to go in and clean house.

EDIT-posted this question on GD. Looking for pokey/disengagey junglers.

Suggestions were Trundle, Kha'zix, and Cho'Gath. (Lee Sin as well, but when the disengae is an ult... Yeah.) Any others/suggestions on how to play these?

Trundle is the god of team disengage with that pillar. Kha is amazing at staying alive himself, and Cho is fat and stuns people, but you'll probably need practice landing ruptures. Those are all good choices for disengage though, and if you want to feel terribly filthy, try Trundle+Nidalee so she hits all her spears on people stuck around your pillar.

So, what are everyone's current thoughts on the Spirit Stone items?

Spirit Stone itself seems like it isn't worth taking over Philo Stone to me (I once built both, but that was as top lane Maokai, which I have yet to play again ever since the second time, for the super-duper sustain combo, which...wasn't actually very impressive.), especially with Shurelya's upgrading from it.

I've only taken the Spirit of the Ancient Golem when I needed Tenacity but had already bought Ninja Tabi. Warmog's and Sunfire Cape seem like better options if you're building a Giant HP Bar Belt Giant's Belt in the first place.

I bought Spirit of the Lizard Elder but the burn doesn't seem worth it (all it does is remind me of a really weird graphics glitch I had one day where, instead of those normal lines or frost things on the ground, oddly morphed Ignite icons trailed behind me), I'd rather just get Philo Stone + other 975 gold item instead of the parts.

I got Spirit of the Spectral Wraith zero times. It seems like a cool addition to the Trolllesticks (pronounced Troll'l'sticks) "I heal over 100% of the damage dealt by my Drain" but good for little else since it still builds out of Revolver which I can't see myself buying on potentially spellvamping junglers.

Do they really just not fit in, or am I missing something?

I like spirit of the Spectral Wraith on Amumu, it's usually the first thing I build on him. Worth noting is with Spectral Wraith and blue buff or full mana, Amumu can solo dragon at level 6. I also kinda like spirit stone on Mundo into Ancient Golem because it's just all around good for him and gives you tenacity if you want to build ninja tabi. I could just be suboptimal there, but you kinda want that machete anyway for a better jungle clear, so I think it's good.

ex cathedra

2013-02-28, 01:54 PM

So, what are everyone's current thoughts on the Spirit Stone items?

Ancient Golem fills a "niche" that's already occupied by the strongest items in the game: locket, sunfire cape, and randuin's omen. With that in mind, it's pretty much the weakest of the three.

The other two are amazing. They're ridiculously gold-efficient items, and while it's true that only Vi, Hecarim, Darius, and maybe a couple of other champions buy Lizard Elder that's still way more than the number of champions who buy Wriggles.

Spectral Wraith is generally better in the mid lane, but that's just because there aren't very many good AP junglers that spellvamp well. Still, though, 2000 gold for 20% spellvamp, 10% CDR, and 50 AP is ludicrous.

Edit: For reals, though, Lizard Elder Darius is the greatest thing. His mixed damage potential with it and Sunfire Cape is immense.

PersonMan

2013-02-28, 02:27 PM

I just thought of something, actually: since building HP is so incredibly common, is doing mixed damage as good as it was in the past? Especially as "build HP vs me" Darius.

Grytorm

2013-02-28, 02:41 PM

Have you ever had your first few games with a champion be amazing and then have every following game be fairly horrible? This is what has happened with me playing LeBlanc.

Anarion

2013-02-28, 02:47 PM

I just thought of something, actually: since building HP is so incredibly common, is doing mixed damage as good as it was in the past? Especially as "build HP vs me" Darius.

Well, pro games still have AD carries and then mix in AP champs, especially when going against the Taric+J4 double armor auras. But there have been some games this season where people went 5xAD champions and did just fine. So, I guess my advice is to learn champions that you like and try to think about the enemy team comp when picking.

That probably wasn't helpful. :smallfrown:

Have you ever had your first few games with a champion be amazing and then have every following game be fairly horrible? This is what has happened with me playing LeBlanc.

Yeah I had that with Draven. I picked him up, practiced a bit for the axe-catching and then had a few really good games. Then I started going against all the teams with Vi, Xin Zhao etc. and getting crushed instantly in every teamfight.

TheShrike

2013-02-28, 03:25 PM

See, whenever someone asks me who to ban, I don't ask for bans that are good for the sake of the team. I get greedy and ask for bans that directly effect whoever I'm planning to play. For example, playing Ashe/Kog? I ask for Vi bans, every time. Playing Vlad mid? I ask for Fizz bans, because **** that guy.

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 03:35 PM

Yah, he lost the game.

Inversion, I was in one of my rare creative moods. You get to see the results. (http://www.customink.com/designs/inversion/dpe0-000t-tnhs/retrieve?account_email=dfrisk810%40gmail.com&account_id=9041948&identify=true)

Inb4 "you are never allowed to visit that website again."

So, I just did a pricecheck on that. One adult sized T-shirt costs $32.00 each for each one on an order under $10.

Since I hate how they only have the one font for names on the back, it would be $32 each.

Also, misspelling your own name OP :smallsigh:

TechnOkami

2013-02-28, 03:42 PM

Edit: For reals, though, Lizard Elder Darius is the greatest thing. His mixed damage potential with it and Sunfire Cape is immense.

That... that's just... horrifying to think about, and yet it makes so much sense.

On the Spiritstone Stuff: Sejuani wants Ancient Golem. I haven't played Nautilus in a while, so I can't comment on that. With Hecarim, I feel Lizard Elder's a good buy if you're doing well. I typically prefer to survive in a team fight which is why I usually buy Golem instead.

And Skarner...

...

..

...is in a terrible place q-q

PhoeKun

2013-02-28, 03:49 PM

And Skarner...

...

..

...is in a terrible place q-q

He's better than advertised, especially with old lizards. He's just not as good as some other choices, which I guess in the long run is almost the same thing.

Still, for solo queue antics I haven't really encountered any issues with him. Elder Lizard/Frozen Fist has consistently made me able to 1v1 anybody alive.

TechnOkami

2013-02-28, 04:00 PM

He's better than advertised, especially with old lizards. He's just not as good as some other choices, which I guess in the long run is almost the same thing.

Still, for solo queue antics I haven't really encountered any issues with him. Elder Lizard/Frozen Fist has consistently made me able to 1v1 anybody alive.

But that's the thing. With Lizard and Icefist, you have basically a damage item and a slowing armor/mana item, that while both good items for Skarner doesn't change the fact that, well, this is a HP meta. I typically don't survive enough with those two in the beginning, and when I DO have health (Warmogs or Sunfire or something) I don't feel like I'm contributing as him. I'd rather be Hecarim or Sejuani and be better at what Skarner wants to do, and it annoys me, so much.

ex cathedra

2013-02-28, 04:09 PM

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 04:37 PM

Looks like TSM is getting beaten by Vulcun right now.

EDIT: I take it back.

PhoeKun

2013-02-28, 04:43 PM

At this stage, I don't know why anyone would ever pick Skarner over Hecarim. The pony has a better pre-6, a better post-6, a better lategame, an AoE hard-engage that's not hard-countered by QSS, an actual gapcloser in addition to a better version of Skarner's movespeed buff... legitimately the only part of Skarner's kit that Hecarim doesn't to some degree replicate is Skarner's built-in permaslow.

... and that's only true until Hecarim gets Iceborn Gauntlet.

It sucks that Hecarim only has three item slots in which to fit Lizard Elder, Sunfire Cape, Locket, and Frozen Fist. Oh well, you can't have everything.

It's a purely aesthetic decision. I like ponies, but not as much as crystals. I recognize that I am putting myself at a mechanical disadvantage, but if I (heaven help me) manage to climb to a skill level high enough for it to matter, I suspect that nerfs or buffs will have changed the landscape again. :smalltongue:

ex cathedra

2013-02-28, 05:48 PM

TheShrike

2013-02-28, 06:33 PM

edit: within reason, obviously,i don't need Laudandus coming in here and telling me that if Hecarim's abilities all dealt 1 damage then Skarner would be stronger.

Amusingly, I seem to recall that back in the day it was said that if Alistar's Q and W did zero damage, they'd still be overpowered.

toasty

2013-02-28, 06:43 PM

Amusingly, I seem to recall that back in the day it was said that if Alistar's Q and W did zero damage, they'd still be overpowered.

Skarner doesn't have an AoE stun AND a gap closer AND an amazingly tanky ult. Also: back in the day alistair was the tankiest tank who also had the best heal in the game. Those two alone made him good. :smalltongue:

Laudandus

2013-02-28, 07:33 PM

While numerical nerfs to Hecarim (Q cooldown and W healing in particular) could bering some degree of parity to their lategames, I don't think that anything short of ability reworks could make up for Skarner's general inferiority.

edit: within reason, obviously,i don't need Laudandus coming in here and telling me that if Hecarim's abilities all dealt 1 damage then Skarner would be stronger.

:smalleek: Am I known for this now?

Anyway, I was about to make an argument that if Hecarim's abilities all dealt 1 damage then Skarner would be stronger, but I realized that I can't think of a single thing Skarner has better than Hecarim save the permaslow. They have the same kit, but Hecarim's W scales with more teammates doing damage while Skarner's E scales with more enemies to damage (not really a difference), while Hecarim's E is better than Skarner's shield and Hecarim's ult is a far superior ganking and teamfight tool barring Skarner's ult going back to grabbing flashes.

It's still reasonably probable that Skarner will be better than Hecarim at some point in the future (numbers are likely to change, and numbers are more important than kit for general viability), but Hecarim's kit is completely superior to Skarner's.

Legoshrimp

2013-02-28, 08:27 PM

So thinking of playing jungle Diana. How should this be done? (Runes/masteries/skills/items/paths/tips)

Mattarias, King.

2013-02-28, 08:59 PM

I seem to have misphrased my problem, but I appreciate the advice. :smallsmile:

My question about dealing with tanky divers was when laning against them 1v1, a la top or mid lane, completely separate from the question asking for tips on how not to suck as support.

Apologies for the confusion.

I main Kayle top and Mid lane, but occasionally.. Well, everywhere else.

I also main Leona, Karma, and Lulu bot. But my supporting is fine, in my opinion.

My (Ranged) ADCs, not including Kayle, are Vayne, Varus, and Tristana. I want to pick up (Phoenix) Quinn, so, plainly put, I need to un-suck at ADC-ing. :smalltongue:

TheShrike

2013-02-28, 09:04 PM

The first step to beat gapcloser/CC bruisers as an ADC in a 1v1 lane is to not play an ADC 1v1 vs a gapcloser/CC bruiser. There are no other steps.

Mattarias, King.

2013-02-28, 09:09 PM

The first step to beat gapcloser/CC bruisers as an ADC in a 1v1 lane is to not play an ADC 1v1 vs a gapcloser/CC bruiser. There are no other steps.

:smallsigh: I mean 1v1 as Kayle. Is that clear enough? Sorry, I'm so bad at this... Talking thing.

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 09:44 PM

:smallsigh: I mean 1v1 as Kayle. Is that clear enough? Sorry, I'm so bad at this... Talking thing.

Q being a ranged slow, it's great for kiting bruisers. If they don't have gapclose, or if the situation is such that they don't want to trade, use Q to force engages and E them for massive damage. If they do have gapclose, save your Q for when they initiate, back off to gain spacing, and E. This kiting gameplay makes Kayle a real lane bully and she should win against a lot of tops; but watch out for Pantheon, Xin Zhao, Jarvan, Akali, and other high-burst blink bruisers. Your best matchups in top lane are against champs like Olaf, Darius, Vlad, Garen, Singed, etc.

Kayle is also commonly sent mid, but the challenges are different there.

Mattarias, King.

2013-02-28, 10:19 PM

Q being a ranged slow, it's great for kiting bruisers. If they don't have gapclose, or if the situation is such that they don't want to trade, use Q to force engages and E them for massive damage. If they do have gapclose, save your Q for when they initiate, back off to gain spacing, and E. This kiting gameplay makes Kayle a real lane bully and she should win against a lot of tops; but watch out for Pantheon, Xin Zhao, Jarvan, Akali, and other high-burst blink bruisers. Your best matchups in top lane are against champs like Olaf, Darius, Vlad, Garen, Singed, etc.

Kayle is also commonly sent mid, but the challenges are different there.

Aye. My troubles are actually EXACTLY with the champions you listed. :smallsigh:

I'll try saving Q though, feel dumb not thinking of it.

Forrestfire

2013-02-28, 10:32 PM

On another note, I finally hit Bronze II! :smallbiggrin:

Happy Gravity

2013-02-28, 10:38 PM

Remember that you can use the haste attached to Kayle's heal to kite even more effectively in certain matchups.

Mattarias, King.

2013-02-28, 10:43 PM

Remember that you can use the haste attached to Kayle's heal to kite even more effectively in certain matchups.

Aye. But against high-burst blinkers, what do? :smallconfused: Even if I ult myself under tower, they get to kill me anyways and jump out relatively scott-free.

Is mercurial scimitar a good idea, for the speed boost? :smallconfused:

Also, grats Forrestfire! :smallbiggrin: Go up ALL the Leagues!

Math_Mage

2013-02-28, 11:32 PM

Aye. But against high-burst blinkers, what do? :smallconfused: Even if I ult myself under tower, they get to kill me anyways and jump out relatively scott-free.

Is mercurial scimitar a good idea, for the speed boost? :smallconfused:

Also, grats Forrestfire! :smallbiggrin: Go up ALL the Leagues!

In theory, the advice I'd give you would be to go mid and ask your mid to pick a top, or to swap into a 1v2 bot lane. Kayle's mid matchup is likely to be better, and most of the high-burst blink bruisers are bad at 1v2, while Kayle can farm at range (watch out for 1v3 towerdives, though).

If you have to lane against them, take Flask+3pots. Focus on farming safely, but take advantage of the times when their skills are on CD (ex. Panth spearing a minion) to trade. Even when their trading position is advantageous, don't just let them have free damage; respond with a Q, back off, throw an E or two their way, make sure you're using up their pots. Though I'm far from savvy about AD Kayle itemization these days, a fast Phage will help you kite the especially sticky champs, and Trinity Force is still good on her. AP Kayle should probably grab Haunting Guise before Nashor's against these champs.

McDouggal

2013-02-28, 11:48 PM

O hey lore. And the Parrot freaking out.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3175626

Anarion

2013-02-28, 11:57 PM

O hey lore. And the Parrot freaking out.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3175626

I think IronStylus has a crush.

Forrestfire

2013-03-01, 12:25 AM

O hey lore. And the Parrot freaking out.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3175626

O.O

I really, really, really hope that gets continued. It's freaking awesome!

Mattarias, King.

2013-03-01, 12:27 AM

In theory, the advice I'd give you would be to go mid and ask your mid to pick a top, or to swap into a 1v2 bot lane. Kayle's mid matchup is likely to be better, and most of the high-burst blink bruisers are bad at 1v2, while Kayle can farm at range (watch out for 1v3 towerdives, though).

If you have to lane against them, take Flask+3pots. Focus on farming safely, but take advantage of the times when their skills are on CD (ex. Panth spearing a minion) to trade. Even when their trading position is advantageous, don't just let them have free damage; respond with a Q, back off, throw an E or two their way, make sure you're using up their pots. Though I'm far from savvy about AD Kayle itemization these days, a fast Phage will help you kite the especially sticky champs, and Trinity Force is still good on her. AP Kayle should probably grab Haunting Guise before Nashor's against these champs.

Mmm, lane switches are usually what I go for. But thanks. I dunno why I never use Trinity Force on her. :smallconfused: Hm. I WOULD do tons of damage...

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 12:32 AM

TBH, I'm not a fan of the art style of the artist in a format like paneled comics. I'm a fan of the other works, but Leona comes off.... off to me. I mostly posted it due to the Parrot's freakout.

Nadevoc

2013-03-01, 12:55 AM

Mmm, lane switches are usually what I go for. But thanks. I dunno why I never use Trinity Force on her. :smallconfused: Hm. I WOULD do tons of damage...

I can't really see why you'd go TF on Kayle. I mean, she can use all the stats, and she's pretty forgiving on itemization, but TF doesn't really seem justifiable on champs that don't make good use of the sheen proc, and she doesn't really. I generally use Q+E too close to each other for separate procs, and even if you don't... she just doesn't have one of those low CD abilities she can spam for procs.

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 12:59 AM

Vayne tumble now 25% cheaper :smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin::smallbi ggrin::smallbiggrin:

Forrestfire

2013-03-01, 01:04 AM

On another note, here is the tumblr (http://kirrys.tumblr.com/) of the artist who did that comic. Many of those had me gasping for air laughing XD

(I think there may have been one mildly NSFW pic in there)

Also, RIOT PLS:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zgkrw96E1rw8q8to1_1280.jpg

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 01:09 AM

Right. New rule. No more Kayle while smurfing. It's just highly suspicious and slightly unfair going around getting triple kills every time while never dying, and also you're supposed to be helping your friends learn, not crushing your enemies under the might of your righteous fire.

Grytorm

2013-03-01, 01:14 AM

Finally got placed. Bronze Division II in Draven's Warriors.

Again with the do great as LeBlanc and lose the game. So in the future whenever I play Leblanc, when I gank a lane and get a kill tell should I tell them to try to push down the tower?

edit: My client is acting up. Which really sucks. Now I am at -3 LP because it just shut down while queuing for ranked. That just sucks.

Nadevoc

2013-03-01, 01:15 AM

Kayle is losing her damage amplification? That's a pretty huge hit, and it just feels... off. To me, at least, that's been kind of a defining feature for her.

Also not thrilled about the adjustments to Nid, since I play bruiser Nid and it really feels like their shifting towards saying all Nids should be AP.

I'm pretty excited about the new ping system; should definitely be useful in solo queue. My understanding is that this is an additional ping method (that is, the old two ways to ping still work)? I'm hoping so, because I feel like it'll be awkward to go through the menu if I'm in the middle of a duel and just want to ping to draw attention to it or to let an ally know I'm backing out.

Reynard

2013-03-01, 01:40 AM

NineThePuma

2013-03-01, 01:40 AM

I believe it over writes, but god knows I'm setting a bunch of hot keys for specific pings now.

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 01:54 AM

<redacted> Adobe Air. <redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted><redacted> DC in champ select of a ranked due to Adobe air crash. I'm off to bed.

Guess the status of my table.

Anarion

2013-03-01, 02:20 AM

I believe it over writes, but god knows I'm setting a bunch of hot keys for specific pings now.

They said in the preview video that anyone used to the old system won't notice a difference, so it seems to require a new hotkey. No reason you can't bind the various pings to some mouse buttons or random letter keys you aren't using already, though.

I'm betting the ask for assist one will never get answered, but the "I'm coming" one with the arrow indicating a direction seems really useful. I can't tell if the mia question mark is any good and danger seems redundant with the caution ping, though maybe you could keybind to V and get a big red exclamation mark added to all your caution pings.

Now, excuse me while I go cry with Amumu at his ult nerf and reduced bandage damage. /sad mummy.

PEACH

2013-03-01, 04:16 AM

I do believe that Skarner has a better 1 person pickoff than Hecarim (the little known "Skarner ass wiggle" is a free flash worth of distance extra on his pull), but that's his only use, and that's only if you can consistently get off a skarner ass wiggle while being CC'd. Even then Hecarim is generally going to be able to knock a specific target back pretty well, but landing his R and even his E to move a single target just so is a bit harder than Skarner.

Skarner's other advantage is that he's much better in massively extended engagements, because he has slightly much more reliable slow (being able to hit it from ~250 instead of melee is nice), more healing and speed in engagements that last beyond 10 seconds (before hecarim gets enough CDR to have W up most of the time), and the potential to ult twice. However, all those minor advantages are really not enough to give Skarner any kind of serious edge. I think Skarner also might have a more threatening level 2 jungle invade, since you can have shield+permaslow Q instead of a W that isn't healing much and a Q that doesn't do as much damage, but that's still minor.

Skarner needs a bit of a rework, honestly, but I don't know what. He can't exactly go the Batrider route and have the ability to move over terrain, and my crazy idea to make his ult into a passive that applies a 1 second suppress and pull (minus the ability to do the ass wiggle) every 20 seconds is obviously not good, and I'd rather they not add more effects to his abilities. Having no unit collision ever might be a start, though they dole that out like candy.

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 07:27 AM

servers up, on my smurf playing Vayne. BotRK rush :smallbiggrin:

Assuming this Poppy ever loads :smalltongue:

EDIT: Nidalee and Tryndamere feed Jax and Teemo.

Somehow it's my fault we lost. Even though I only had greaves, BotRK, Bloodthirster, and GA ingredients since I couldn't do ANYTHING. Teemo so fed that his dart chunks half my health. Jax leap strike takes 3/4. Yeah, totally my fault.

Temotei

2013-03-01, 09:29 AM

Hypothesis: Taric can go top and build like Ryze.

Hypothesis Deux: Taric's jungle will speed up considerably, granting him some level of viability there, though machete won't really build into anything special for him.

Taric for MEN will still be my favorite, though.

NineThePuma

2013-03-01, 10:10 AM

Hypothesis: ADC Kennen gets his ass beaten hard by Tristana.

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 10:43 AM

So, I just watched the CLG/CRS game.

WOW. That was awesome. Voyboy couldn't Tryndamere hard enough. Also, get to see Doublelift on Vayne, which is always a treat.

ChaosOS

2013-03-01, 10:58 AM

So, I just watched the CLG/CRS game.

WOW. That was awesome. Voyboy couldn't Tryndamere hard enough. Also, get to see Doublelift on Vayne, which is always a treat.

Hotshot Cho with red buff is scary.

EG taking home a very clean win vs. Copenhagen wolves makes me happy

ex cathedra

2013-03-01, 11:10 AM

Curse's comp really sucked in that game. Kayle/MF/Noct have weak waveclear so they couldn't possibly hold turrets while Trynd split, and the hectic early ended with Cop and Saint completely denying Jacky.

MCerberus

2013-03-01, 11:33 AM

Did anyone have their IP price reduced with the patch? I remember them saying something about doing that.

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 11:35 AM

Did anyone have their IP price reduced with the patch? I remember them saying something about doing that.

Leona's IP will be once Quinn and Valor is released.

PersonMan

2013-03-01, 11:42 AM

So I rebought Lee since his price has been reduced.

Went in TT...vs Cho/AP Yi/AP Nunu.

Me, Akali and Volibear showed them why a mixed damage comp is a better idea.

(Also, my earlier comment about mixed damage was referred to [Eld? Aether?]'s comment about Ulti Mixed Damage Darius, not entire teams.)

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 12:03 PM

Carry hard my wayward son (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3178472) - Lyrics for a parody of Kansas's "Carry on my Wayward Son"

MCerberus

2013-03-01, 12:14 PM

Leona's IP will be once Quinn and Valor is released.

boo already own her

toasty

2013-03-01, 12:24 PM

So, I just watched the CLG/CRS game.

WOW. That was awesome. Voyboy couldn't Tryndamere hard enough. Also, get to see Doublelift on Vayne, which is always a treat.

DL played nothing but Vayne this week. I have a feeling that's not going to change any time soon.

Eldariel

2013-03-01, 12:29 PM

boo already own her

Arrange this list by date (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions) and you see the price dropping schedules. Leona, Wukong and Skarner are next.

Arbitrarity

2013-03-01, 12:52 PM

Welcome the the League of the Ruined King.

ADC? Rush BoTRK. (Then either LW or IE, depending mostly on whether you want consistent or spiky damage: I prefer LW for now)
Top bruiser who likes AS? Rush BoTRK.
Jungler who likes AS/On-hits (and maybe has difficulty sticking)? Get BoTRK.

It scales better into lategame than a BT, has a chase/peel/burst active, counters warmogs, and provides a solid mix of sustain and early damage stats. It helps you all-in, and helps you sustain in lane. It has solid sustained damage, and burst.

Goes great on:
Jax, Irelia, WW (Possible rush, they're all VERY AA-reliant, helps them stick better)
Caitlyn, Vayne, Tristana, Kog'Maw, Ezreal, Ashe, Varus, Twitch (pew pew autoattacks or on-hits, all in burst, lane sustain, peel)
Teemo (Eh, he can do a lot of things, but it hybridizes his damage and makes the speed difference even more annoying)
Shaco, Tryndamere, Master Yi, Fiora, AD Sion, AD Poppy, (Increased stickiness, sustain, sustained damage, great scaling)
J4, Gangplank, Shyvana, Nocturne (Stickiness, sustain, sustained damage. They all like on-hits. They might want to get tanky first though)
Vi, Rengar (Helps stickiness/all in burst)

Likely good on
Corki, Draven, Graves, Miss Fortune, Sivir, Jayce (high AD ratios, less autoattack reliance. Might want BT instead when facing squishies, but it's great if you need to peel more or face very high health enemies)
Xin Zhao, Trundle, Udyr (Not a good rush, they want to be tankier, but very solid if you have the cash, since most of their damage is from autos)

Could work on:
Riven, Pantheon, Talon, Kha'zix (SUPER AD ratios, might prefer BT. Could be good for sticking, or when facing too many bruisers)
Zed (active works with ult, gives him more stickiness to AA)
Renekton, Wukong, Lee Sin, Olaf, Garen (Want to be tankier, have a LOT of ability damage, not as much auto reliance. Helps with stickiness and sustained damage outside of abilities, which is still useful for all of them. Might want something with more AD though)

It's the new Bloodthirster. Get yours today!

toasty

2013-03-01, 01:10 PM

Yeah... I'm not sure how the whole BOTK will work out. Xyph was talking yesterday about how they're running into a lot of balance problems (which he foresaw), but its certainly going to be a while before the meta kinda stabilizes again. Which is... okay I guess. I mean the same thing happened early in Season 2 and then again with the Jungle remake.

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 01:11 PM

Hypothesis: Taric can go top and build like Ryze.

This is exactly what I was planning to do.

Also Leona price reduction yay, given going to be my next buy anyway.

Dallas-Dakota

2013-03-01, 01:28 PM

Welcome the the League of the Ruined King. CounterWarmogs.

Fixed that for you.

LordShotGun

2013-03-01, 01:29 PM

Dang, gambit gaming (aka moscow 5) just made Evil Geniuses (aka CLG EU) look like a bunch of scrubs!

Really I just think EG got out picked. Irelia and nidalee? Draven? You got a nothing but poke mid with a nothing but hard core initiation top and a short ranged kiting bot. Champ synergy was non existent.

MCerberus

2013-03-01, 01:37 PM

Fixed that for you.

I could have sworn that the anti-warmog league was the League of Liandre's
edit- Torment does it all... with style!

Dragonus45

2013-03-01, 02:04 PM

LordShotGun

2013-03-01, 02:28 PM

So im correct in the understanding that the highest elo person on your team is the one who picks right? If so then i have a new rule, auto dodge when im the fist pick. I never win those games and tend to hate my team the most.

What positions do you like to play? If you are the first pick then consider calling ADC, Top, or mid. These spots have the best chance to influence your team and can often turn bad games into games where you go 15-2-29.

Laudandus

2013-03-01, 02:29 PM

So im correct in the understanding that the highest elo person on your team is the one who picks right? If so then i have a new rule, auto dodge when im the fist pick. I never win those games and tend to hate my team the most.

You're correct.

It makes sense that you might dislike those games. I'm going to guess that either you prefer support or that you always fill in roles in a friendly manner, both of which are tactics that work much less well as first pick.

There is an onus on first pick to carry. You are the player on your team who is the best, with the freest choice of role. If you go even against their last pick in lane, you have better than even chances of losing the game. Similarly, a last pick who goes even and doesn't feed has much better than even chances of winning in an average game.

Anarion

2013-03-01, 02:29 PM

Hypothesis: ADC Kennen gets his ass beaten hard by Tristana.

Because they buffed her attack speed growth? She already outscaled him like crazy, you play ADC Kennen so you can self-peel and smash people in lane with a hard engaging support at level 3 and level 6.

Though I must admit, giving Tristana almost 18% more attack speed at level 18 is probably going to get her played a lot more. That's some buff.

Leona's IP will be once Quinn and Valor is released.

Awesome, totally going to buy Leona when her price goes down.

It's the new Bloodthirster. Get yours today!

Is this bad? If people were getting bloodthirster before and getting Ruined King now, do we end up with better play patterns? I personally think the ability to engage with the active is going to lead to more exciting plays early game, so I'm hoping it ends up being a good ubiquitous item.

pffh

2013-03-01, 02:46 PM

So CW finally got a win and with a pentakill no less.

Godskook

2013-03-01, 03:10 PM

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 03:15 PM

This is exactly what I was planning to do.

Tried it. Build went roughly Tear > Catalyst > Boots > RoA > Mercs > FH > SV > Warmogs > Seraphs

Overclocked slightly on CDR due to 4% from masteries. In general he felt... pretty strong. Great burst, good sustained damage, and incredible tankiness: especially with 40% CDR and in a melee where you're constantly auto-attacking, you can spam heals on yourself like crazy and stay in a fight forever. This was against bots, true, but with a little build and build order tweaking and practice I'd definitely feel confident taking this against people either toplane or on Treeline.

Opinions welcome.

Nadevoc

2013-03-01, 03:32 PM

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 03:44 PM

His W can be spammed while walking to lane or in fountain, and his ult has a short enough cooldown that you can use it in the fountain and have it back up for the next fight, if it's a reasonable walk. He doesn't charge it as fast as say, Ryze, Singed or Anivia, but he can charge it. The slot could be better filled by something else though, probably. A Rylai's sounds like it could be a good investment for the extra health and AoE slow, or something.

NineThePuma

2013-03-01, 03:56 PM

I feel like Tear > Bloodmail on TT, but you might want something else in place of Seraph's on SR; I also think that you want an Abyssal somewhere in that build, though I couldn't tell you where.

Banner of Command is an awesome item, BTW.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 04:00 PM

iBlitzcrank is out.

It strongly implies that Blitz will autograb whether you tell him to or not :smallbiggrin:

ex cathedra

2013-03-01, 04:11 PM

Banner of Command is actually p. good, it's just going unnoticed. It's a lot like Spectral Wraith and Lizard Elder, albeit more niche. I like it a lot on Elise, actually.

Aaaand I'm going to spam Irelia games to try out the new BoRK. It might be a Lizard Elder replacement on jungle Vi, too.

Grytorm

2013-03-01, 04:32 PM

My client keeps exiting right after I win a game without going to stats. I think I saw a reference to an Adobe thing once although that crash was at a different while queuing.

Eldariel

2013-03-01, 04:44 PM

My client keeps exiting right after I win a game without going to stats. I think I saw a reference to an Adobe thing once although that crash was at a different while queuing.

It's a combination of Adobe Air being ****, the default version being outdated and the client being a bandaid concoction. You're not alone.

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 04:45 PM

I just played top lane Lulu against a Volibear. I've never felt so sorry for a bear before. Nocturne jungle fared no better against me. Sadly, rest of the team didn't do so hot.

Renegade Paladin

2013-03-01, 04:49 PM

I totally Garened at the other team last night duo queued with QWERTY, but my team was too damned heavy. :smalltongue:

Eldariel

2013-03-01, 05:20 PM

Reynard

2013-03-01, 05:29 PM

So recently my smartcast spells have been hitting targets other than the one I've hit. For example, I hit a creep way away from the champ as jungle Taric and my Shen Vorpal Blades went at the wrong targets. Adumbration was experiencing this too. Anybody else?

I think I've seen it happening on streams, but I can't be sure since the streamers all seem to say that they messed up when it happens rather than the game bugging out. Or the occasional 'wait, what?' moments.

SlyGuyMcFly

2013-03-01, 05:34 PM

So recently my smartcast spells have been hitting targets other than the one I've hit. For example, I hit a creep way away from the champ as jungle Taric and my Shen Vorpal Blades went at the wrong targets. Adumbration was experiencing this too. Anybody else?

I feel I've had a few more misclicks than usual over the last week, but nothing very obviously off target.

Silverraptor

2013-03-01, 05:43 PM

Why has this not been posted yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPuz48CFnw&feature=youtu.be)

Joran

2013-03-01, 05:48 PM

Why has this not been posted yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPuz48CFnw&feature=youtu.be)

Man, Riot's animation department is getting really, really good.

I'm pretty excited about the new ping system; should definitely be useful in solo queue. My understanding is that this is an additional ping method (that is, the old two ways to ping still work)? I'm hoping so, because I feel like it'll be awkward to go through the menu if I'm in the middle of a duel and just want to ping to draw attention to it or to let an ally know I'm backing out.

One of our teammates is tone deaf, to the point that he can't tell the difference between the regular ping and the retreat ping. It's lead to some... interesting plays =P I wonder if these are different enough for him to be able to tell =P

NineThePuma

2013-03-01, 06:18 PM

It's not colors! It's SHAPES.

Godskook

2013-03-01, 06:22 PM

One of our teammates is tone deaf, to the point that he can't tell the difference between the regular ping and the retreat ping. It's lead to some... interesting plays =P I wonder if these are different enough for him to be able to tell =P

Does "Tone deaf" include timbre? Cause the new pings all have unique timbres, in addition to pitch.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 06:58 PM

Why has this not been posted yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPuz48CFnw&feature=youtu.be)

How many thingies can you spot? I found Morde's daughter's drawing, what could be one of Viktor's hands, Urf mug, a small portrait of Kat, either Yi's or Jax's goggles, Riven's sword, that book from the S1 and S2 trailer things, Ziggs' minibombs, Caution Wet Floor (Crying Mummy), Mace of Spades, Frost Shot, Grave's gun, Cait's gun, Ashe's bow (and a few arrows), MF's guns, what might be Soraka's banana, Viktor's staff (I think), Lux's baton, <various ults> press R to win, Health and Mana tanks (health appears to be lableled "pwn O3"), a motivational of MF, a snaptrap being tripped by an unidentified blob, Singed poison, and Mundo's desk (which has a needlessly spiky Newton's Cradle). And Mundo.

I could not identify: a curved longsword, a small mace.

MCerberus

2013-03-01, 07:01 PM

Joran

2013-03-01, 07:07 PM

How many thingies can you spot? I found Morde's daughter's drawing, what could be one of Viktor's hands, Urf mug, a small portrait of Kat, either Yi's or Jax's goggles, Riven's sword, that book from the S1 and S2 trailer things, Ziggs' minibombs, Caution Wet Floor (Crying Mummy), Mace of Spades, Frost Shot, Grave's gun, Cait's gun, Ashe's bow (and a few arrows), MF's guns, what might be Soraka's banana, Viktor's staff (I think), Lux's baton, <various ults> press R to win, Health and Mana tanks (health appears to be lableled "pwn O3"), a motivational of MF, a snaptrap being tripped by an unidentified blob, Singed poison, and Mundo's desk (which has a needlessly spiky Newton's Cradle). And Mundo.

The needless spiky Newton's Cradle I think is a reference to Orianna's ball.

Does "Tone deaf" include timbre? Cause the new pings all have unique timbres, in addition to pitch.

We'll find out. We didn't believe him when he said he couldn't tell the difference when the second ping was introduced, so we threw him into a custom game and started pinging. He said they sounded the same XD.

It explains his singing... he makes up in enthusiasm what he lacks in pitch =P

PersonMan

2013-03-01, 07:10 PM

If that's the game we're playing, I'd call the into "thank you for waiting" thing after Corporate Mundo scans his card a reference to login queues.

Eldariel

2013-03-01, 07:46 PM

Bruiser Taric seems like it could be viable now. Tried him in the jungle for instance:
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/9900/jungletaric.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img268/3228/jungletaricgold.jpg

He becomes quite tanky, does really nice inherent damage (the classic bruiser "massive base stats, mediocre scaling"), still has good auras (especially with W scaling off Armor), and as always, his utility is off the charts.

Now he actually does really good straight-up damage too. He always was okay but adding the new passive makes his raw damage surprisingly solid when building some mana items (well, I just built Muramana 'cause E procs it and it's a lulzy item anyways for a hybrid damage dealer with built-in ArPen and built MPen). Of course, his old problems are still there and he needs a damage item like Muramana to truly hurt but overall he presents a significantly larger damage threat now.

Draken

2013-03-01, 07:53 PM

How many thingies can you spot? I found Morde's daughter's drawing, what could be one of Viktor's hands, Urf mug, a small portrait of Kat, either Yi's or Jax's goggles, Riven's sword, that book from the S1 and S2 trailer things, Ziggs' minibombs, Caution Wet Floor (Crying Mummy), Mace of Spades, Frost Shot, Grave's gun, Cait's gun, Ashe's bow (and a few arrows), MF's guns, what might be Soraka's banana, Viktor's staff (I think), Lux's baton, <various ults> press R to win, Health and Mana tanks (health appears to be lableled "pwn O3"), a motivational of MF, a snaptrap being tripped by an unidentified blob, Singed poison, and Mundo's desk (which has a needlessly spiky Newton's Cradle). And Mundo.

I could not identify: a curved longsword, a small mace.

Not Viktor's staff. Took me awhile to discern that one, but it is Teemo's blowgun.

Next to the Amumu wet floor warning are a bunch of Zigg's bombs.

The hologram thingy is Ezreal's pulsefire cannon.

Snaptrap is being tripped by Void Ooze, I am pretty positive of that. Right behind that is one of Gragas's barrels too, along with Ryze's scroll.

Also I see two files, one red that says "Employee Hanbook" and one blue that says ... something 'maps'.

Along with Riven's sword we see a Fiendish Codex. And some long runed thing that I can't identify.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 07:56 PM

Not Viktor's staff. Took me awhile to discern that one, but it is Teemo's blowgun.

Next to the Amumu wet floor warning are a bunch of Zigg's bombs.

The hologram thingy is Ezreal's pulsefire cannon.

Snaptrap is being tripped by Void Ooze, I am pretty positive of that. Right behind that is one of Gragas's barrels too, along with Ryze's scroll.

Also I see two files, one red that says "Employee Hanbook" and one blue that says ... something 'maps'.

Along with Riven's sword we see a Fiendish Codex. And some long runed thing that I can't identify.

Excuse me? Large pole thing with three curved sharp things going up from the top, on the weapons rack?

Called the Ziggs minibombs.

The Fiendish Codex? I thought that was the book from the trailers.

Wolf_Haley

2013-03-01, 08:04 PM

Wait Morde had a daughter? I know there were lore changes to him awhile back *The Death Knight who wonders what he was before he became one is much more interesting than the Murder Machine and only a Murder Machine* but I don't recall anything about a daughter.

NineThePuma

2013-03-01, 08:06 PM

It's not canonical.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 08:07 PM

Siosilvar

2013-03-01, 08:35 PM

Not quite sure why the "identify things in the Mac open beta release video" is spoilered, but the three-pronged thing
is Fizz's spear/trident

TechnOkami

2013-03-01, 08:43 PM

Not quite sure why the "identify things in the Mac open beta release video" is spoilered, but the three-pronged thing
is Fizz's spear/trident

It's so there isn't a giant list everyone has to scroll through, for convenience's sake I would imagine.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 08:49 PM

For me it was so people could look through it without knowing what's there.

TechnOkami

2013-03-01, 09:01 PM

Alright, in order, here's what I recognize.

-Corporate Mundo (duh)
-Amumu bobble head
-vat of Baron acid
-Mordekaiser "I love daddy" scribbles of a kid
-Trinity Force on a post-it note
-a ring binder with "rift maps"
-Framed Katarina Picture
-I <3 Urf cup
-Viktor's laser hand
-Master Yi's helm and multi-eye visor thingy
-Riven's Sword
-"Mundo Hate Numbers" on a piece of paper in red letters
-Inside spec. of Ezreal's Pulsefire Cannon?
-Zigg's bombs
-Teemo's Mushrooms
-A tossed Bandage
-An Amumu caution sign
-Mundo's cleaver
-Caitlyn's Rifle
-a frozen apple w/ Ashe's arrow through it
-Mordekaiser's Mace
-Fizz's Trident
-Ashe's Bow & Arrows
-Graves' Hextech Shotgun
-A Banana (presumably Soraka's)
-Miss Fortune's "Shock" and "Awe" Pistols
-Teemo's Blowdart
-Urf's Spatula
-Master Yi's sword
-Emergency R button (Karthus' ult in a box maybe?)
-Miss Fortune Motivational Poster
-Health & Mana Water Tankard
-Caitlyn's Trap
-Ryze's Scroll
-Gragas' Barrel
-A bottle from Singed...? Maybe?
-Newton's Cradle a la Orianna
-Corporate Mundo's Picture in his office
-Mundo Guitar's as he Pleezus

And now because I've got a strong, strong urge to be my favorite corporate businessman, with Jungling Mundo, what exactly do you want for a rune set up? As per items... well, I guess I could use a refresher for what's good on him in that department too (Warmogs is a stupid given).

MCerberus

2013-03-01, 09:07 PM

LordShotGun

2013-03-01, 09:10 PM

Man, I like TSM and all but after CRS picked up voyboy, it seems like CRS is nearly unbeatable.

ex cathedra

2013-03-01, 09:30 PM

That comment would have been more topical had Curse not dropped their first two games of the season this week.

Dyrus performed really well that game, though, it's just that (again) I think that Curse's team comp was hugely advantageous. Elise has a really positive match-up against Singed (which he mitigated really well with early pushing and teleport), and lategame he just gets wrecked by Tristana's range and super-ridiculous disengage. You can't just run at Tristana; her sixth item is often Frozen Mallet, but she didn't even get to that point. Singed runs at Tristana; she ults him away. Her ult's knock-back is 1000 range. Like, literally, even if Tristana didn't kite and Singed had two free flashes he would still be out of range. And, again, that's before she walks away or uses her 900-range Rocket Jump. Trist just ruins TSM's day in that comp, so Singed got forced into full-tank and was mostly ignorable come lategame.

Draken

2013-03-01, 09:50 PM

Excuse me? Large pole thing with three curved sharp things going up from the top, on the weapons rack?

Called the Ziggs minibombs.

The Fiendish Codex? I thought that was the book from the trailers.

The yellow thing next to the spatula, actually.

Ashen Lilies

2013-03-01, 10:15 PM

Any word on how the nerf has affected Kayle's jungle? I just tried it and it seemed like the jungle was kinda kicking my ass. This may just be me being fail jungle though. Jungle Taric, though, is really kinda fun, even if I did kinda get my ass kicked by Lee Sin and had to transition into peel-for-ADC support-mode Taric late game, instead of hyper-aggressive carry Taric like the first game (where I counterjungled a Nunu). Still somehow managed a triple kill. Hohyes.

Grytorm

2013-03-01, 10:19 PM

Joran

2013-03-01, 10:24 PM

Man, I like TSM and all but after CRS picked up voyboy, it seems like CRS is nearly unbeatable.

In NA maybe. I can't wait until the next international tournament to see how the regions stack up again. Sadly, IPL6 was just cancelled...

Stupid eSports =P

TheShrike

2013-03-01, 10:30 PM

Anarion

2013-03-01, 10:43 PM

That mac trailer is awesome.

Random things that I'm not sure have been mentioned
One of the binders I think is labeled Riot maps in scrawled pen

Katarina desktop photo :smallbiggrin:

Notes on the floor after Riven's blade is fixed show Amumu in a mugshot type photo and "Late numbers" scrawled in blood or red paint

The weapons cabinet has Fizz staff, Teemo blowgun, MF pistols, Graves shotgun, Yi sword, Ash bow and frost arrows, a banana, and a spatula.

The emergency switch is labeled with a giant R and says "Press R to win"

Singed gas canister on the office floor

Watching CLG vs. Complexity was painful. So many Nidalee spears against a team with no magic resist. It wasn't fair.

Renegade Paladin

2013-03-01, 10:44 PM

I just hit level 30 during a trollcomp game as AP Sona. :smallbiggrin:

Mattarias, King.

2013-03-01, 10:45 PM

Any word on how the nerf has affected Kayle's jungle? I just tried it and it seemed like the jungle was kinda kicking my ass.

:smallsigh: Ough, I missed the part about her losing that MR. I was stomped by an underfed Morgana bot as Support Kayle. I know I'm bad, but not usually THAT bad...

Gonna start grabbing Wit's End earlier.. :smalleek:

Anarion

2013-03-01, 10:48 PM

Is anyone else getting an "unable to find active game" error?

Siosilvar

2013-03-01, 10:54 PM

I found once again I love Gangplank. Mostly because if you can build him to have 4000 hitpoints, 80% Crit Chance, 338 AD, and quite speedy. Sadly this will probably never happen in an actual game. Never enough money for an absurdly expensive full build. The only thing that could make it better would be fitting in CDR.

I used to play Gangplank (he was the first champ I bought), and I got a lane I could pretty regularly hit boots + triforce + 3 more items by 35-40 and the end. All you have to do is land every lasthit with a Q to get like 25% extra gold.

That said, there's a reason Atmog's was THE build for him - if you build all damage like the build I imagine you had (warmogs and frozen mallet excepted), you wind up without any armor or MR to actually make you as tanky as the health bar says you are. Critplank was good, but reliant on not getting killed.

Qwertystop

2013-03-01, 10:57 PM

I just hit level 30 during a trollcomp game as AP Sona. :smallbiggrin:

That was awesome. I wish I'd screencapped the scorescreen...

McDouggal

2013-03-01, 10:58 PM

I just hit level 30 during a trollcomp game as AP Sona. :smallbiggrin:

And here's the replay.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2909285/

Anarion

2013-03-02, 12:08 AM

Well, we just played a 103 kill ARAM. Ryze!!!! *shakes fist*

TheShrike

2013-03-02, 01:02 AM

So it turns out when the AD carry on one team gets fed, but the Poppy on the other team gets equally fed, it becomes a really frustrating game of "Who will die first!" Note: It's the AD carry.

Then the enemy team was stupid and got caught (over and over) and let my Ryze hit full build, so suddenly they had to deal with two carries and just couldn't, so we won. It was a stupid game we should have lost, but they kept split-pushing and getting caught when we had three inhibs but no inhin towers, and if they'd just strolled in as 5 it'd've been GG. Oh well, teamplay beats individual ability yet again, I guess.

Godskook

2013-03-02, 01:21 AM

I could not identify: a curved longsword, a small mace.

Curved longsword? I'm guessing you mean the one in the weapons locker, which is definitely Yi's.

The needless spiky Newton's Cradle I think is a reference to Orianna's ball.

Actually, that's blatantly her balls, but from the bladecraft skin.

Along with Riven's sword we see a Fiendish Codex. And some long runed thing that I can't identify.

Anyone figure out what that runed staff is? I can't figure it out either.

The Fiendish Codex? I thought that was the book from the trailers.

Both books are in the same frame. CGI book is on the left, codex on the right.

Forrestfire

2013-03-02, 02:07 AM

The runed staff thing isn't a staff, it's the base that Riven's sword is attached to. The hilt is slotted into it.

And the book is an Amp Tome I think.

Godskook

2013-03-02, 02:19 AM

The runed staff thing isn't a staff, it's the base that Riven's sword is attached to. The hilt is slotted into it.

No it isn't, and I'm not even certain you're looking at the right thing. What I'm talking about is below the sword(and running parallel to it) and behind the two scrolls(which I assume are the minor scrolls from Ryze's hip-scroll-holster).

Its both too long to be any part of Riven's weapon that's not already shown, and definitively not part of her sword in any picture I can find of her.

And the book is an Amp Tome I think.

On the left? That could be an Amp Tome, I guess. Morellonomicon or the CGI book seems more likely though.

Also, the weird stuff in the puddle next to the "wet floor" sign are Ammumu's bandages, I'm pretty sure.

Temotei

2013-03-02, 02:32 AM

While Tear would stack very well with Taric's new passive, I feel like he won't be able to stack it. His heal is somewhat spammable if he's constantly autoing, I suppose, but it's got a kind of hefty mana cost for that. He used to be able to more or less spam it when AAing, but that was because the CD reduction and spamming was somewhat offset by his old passive.

That's why manamune was the item I tried when I played earlier today. Seraph's is fine, but with muramana, he adds his mana to damage again, which is lulzy and manamune allows him to stack his mana faster.

Forrestfire

2013-03-02, 02:47 AM

No it isn't, and I'm not even certain you're looking at the right thing. What I'm talking about is below the sword(and running parallel to it) and behind the two scrolls(which I assume are the minor scrolls from Ryze's hip-scroll-holster).

Its both too long to be any part of Riven's weapon that's not already shown, and definitively not part of her sword in any picture I can find of her.

This thing, right?

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/ustaaz/rivenbladestand2.png

It's not a part of her sword, it's a stand that the sword's hilt is slotted into. The tip of the hilt is stuck into the ridge, and it runs parallel to the blade itself.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/ustaaz/rivenbladestand.png

McDouggal

2013-03-02, 03:50 AM

*teammate instalocks Gangplank*

*says that he's been getting noob teams all day*

*instalocks*

Edit: figuratively and literally feeds enemy Cho'Gath in top, blames me for not ganking (I ganked 3 times). :smallsigh:

Calls Ashe bad, when she literally can't do anything.

calls Kassadin bad, since he gives Lux one kill, while he dies to Lux 3 times during laning. And Kass was calling MIA.

Rages in chat.

And FFS, I can't even report him since the client isn't letting me see postgame.

How the hell do you mute someone, anyways?

Godskook

2013-03-02, 04:05 AM

This thing, right?

Yeah, that's the one. It doesn't quite look like the sword actually slots into it, to me, and I swear I've seen it before.

-------------

Anyone doing a 1st-week Quinn? She seems fun from what I've played against, and her mobility seems incredibly strong post-6 for being able to avoid ganks in new and unique ways.

Now I want a support champion that 'piggy-backs' someone else for a short time, that'd be able to leverage Quinn's mobility.

Math_Mage

2013-03-02, 04:28 AM

Yeah, that's the one. It doesn't quite look like the sword actually slots into it, to me, and I swear I've seen it before.

-------------

Anyone doing a 1st-week Quinn? She seems fun from what I've played against, and her mobility seems incredibly strong post-6 for being able to avoid ganks in new and unique ways.

Now I want a support champion that 'piggy-backs' someone else for a short time, that'd be able to leverage Quinn's mobility.

Quinn Lulu and Quinn Nunu lanes are theoretically pretty win. Indeed, Quinn Lulu is winsome. :smallwink:

PersonMan

2013-03-02, 04:30 AM

How the hell do you mute someone, anyways?

Press tab. See the speech bubble off to the right? Crush it like a bug if you don't want to hear that person.

You can demute them later if you need/want to or think they've cooled off.

McDouggal

2013-03-02, 04:36 AM

Press tab. See the speech bubble off to the right? Crush it like a bug if you don't want to hear that person.

You can demute them later if you need/want to or think they've cooled off.

Oh. I thought it was a chat command.

Eldariel

2013-03-02, 04:45 AM

Oh. I thought it was a chat command.

Used to be. /ignore is working less and less reliably nowadays tho. It does random stuff for me.

That's why manamune was the item I tried when I played earlier today. Seraph's is fine, but with muramana, he adds his mana to damage again, which is lulzy and manamune allows him to stack his mana faster.

Mura procs on his E too.

Dallas-Dakota

2013-03-02, 06:45 AM

How many thingies can you spot?
Bit late to the party but:

Log-in queu frustration
Mordekai's ''my daddy'' drawing
Urf mug
Katerina portrait
Viktor hand
Grandmaster Jax helmet
Yi goggles
Riven blade
Teemo Shrooms
Ziggs bombs
Amumu wet floor sign
Mundo cleaver
Mordekaiser mace
Caitlyns gun.
Ashe Arrow
Fizz trident
Ashe bow
MF's pistols
Yi's blade
Teemo's blowdarts
Sinfull Succulunce Morgana's spatula
A Soraka banana
Lux baton looks like it, but on closer view, they're arrows.
Graves gun
Mis Fortune Work Hard poster
Health 'n mana cooler.
Caitlyn snaptraps
Gragas barrel
Singed poison
A reference to Orianna's balls?

Pretty awesome video. Well done Riot Animation department, well done. You've most certainly become pretty awesome.

LordShotGun

2013-03-02, 07:26 AM

PhoeKun

2013-03-02, 08:02 AM

So. Anyone play Quinn yet? If so what is the general consensus of her so far? Looking at her from a vacuum of experience, she seems kinda....meh?

Her skills are unimpressive in either damage or utility with no huge game changing skills like Ashe ult, or Graves Burst, or Ezreal's mobility or kogma/vayne/tristana's late game scaling.

Granted she has a blind on her Q so she may be able to trade effectively in lane but otherwise...she seems kinda lack luster.

But don't take my word for it, this is just what I think after reading her skills and watching the champ preview.

My bigger issues with her are her animations and sounds. For someone who's supposed to be a Demacian ranger, prowling through the wilderness in search of the dangerous folks the traditional military can't catch, she's awfully... prissy. Her walking animation is annoyingly delicate, and I can't watch her move without thinking like she's trying not to break something.

Then she leans back and shoots at things, but I can't actually hear anything as a result. I find myself missing the satisfying "thwunk" of Vayne's weapons, which is what Quinn most reminds me of. But everything that she does is so quiet and unassuming that it doesn't really provide any decent feedback to the player. Like, the kickflip is neat and all, but even when she's triggering the second part of her ult and descending from the sky amidst a hail of arrows, it's annoying quiet. Maybe it's doing a lot of damage, but it sure doesn't look or feel like it.

lord_khaine

2013-03-02, 09:27 AM

Apperently Tharic has managet to move out of the support role at last, any suggestions as to how you should jungle him?

LordShotGun

2013-03-02, 09:47 AM

Apperently Tharic has managet to move out of the support role at last, any suggestions as to how you should jungle him?

Don't? He can do it but its slow and his ganks are decent but his scaling is pretty poor.

Zero gap closers on a melee champ, his stun is single target and on a large cooldown. His aura is crap now (12%?!?!? that's only 24 bonus armor when you have 200 base armor which is worse then his old level 4 passive except you now have to pay a ton of gold for it) and his passive relies on melee ranged autoattacks, something that is very unreliable in teamfights.

NOW!!! This is not to say he is bad.

Personally I think taric is ruined bot lane, but is now a pretty decent top laner. Since most 1v1s are melee you get to charge your Q faster and have your passive influence the fight more. You stun is great for assisting jungler ganks or engaging/disengaging damage trades. Unfortunately his W reduces armor so your passive is not befitting from the armor shred, but now it gets 30% of your base(?) armor so you are more bursty late game.

Overall....I think taric is just outclassed. Top lane and jungle there are just better champs that do what he does.

Joran

2013-03-02, 10:03 AM

Personally I think taric is ruined bot lane, but is now a pretty decent top laner. Since most 1v1s are melee you get to charge your Q faster and have your passive influence the fight more. You stun is great for assisting jungler ganks or engaging/disengaging damage trades. Unfortunately his W reduces armor so your passive is not befitting from the armor shred, but now it gets 30% of your base(?) armor so you are more bursty late game.

Overall....I think taric is just outclassed. Top lane and jungle there are just better champs that do what he does.

I doubt he's outclassed bot lane; he and his carry just aren't stupidly tanky anymore. His armor shred and stun remain, so his burst combo remains intact.

Qwertystop

2013-03-02, 10:10 AM

This thing, right?

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/ustaaz/rivenbladestand2.png

It's not a part of her sword, it's a stand that the sword's hilt is slotted into. The tip of the hilt is stuck into the ridge, and it runs parallel to the blade itself.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/ustaaz/rivenbladestand.png

The book at the bottom of the circle in the smaller pic is the one I meant when I said there was the trailer book.

Recaiden

2013-03-02, 11:06 AM

Apperently Tharic has managet to move out of the support role at last, any suggestions as to how you should jungle him?

Tanky. But I'd rather send him back toplane with a Muramana.

So. Anyone play Quinn yet? If so what is the general consensus of her so far? Looking at her from a vacuum of experience, she seems kinda....meh?

Her skills are unimpressive in either damage or utility with no huge game changing skills like Ashe ult, or Graves Burst, or Ezreal's mobility or kogma/vayne/tristana's late game scaling.

Granted she has a blind on her Q so she may be able to trade effectively in lane but otherwise...she seems kinda lack luster.

But don't take my word for it, this is just what I think after reading her skills and watching the champ preview.

Blind is on a new champion, which is excellent. She really relies on her passive triggering correctly in order to burst people, but I still had the impression that this was the best ADC I had yet played. Her reveal gives you half of the utility of Clairvoyance (maybe just a third, but an appreciable amount). The slowjump is pretty changing of small fights, but otherwise, yeah, not terribly game-changing.

Well, we just played a 103 kill ARAM. Ryze!!!! *shakes fist*

That was quite a game, although I'd be saying "Sona!!!!"

Any word on how the nerf has affected Kayle's jungle? I just tried it and it seemed like the jungle was kinda kicking my ass.
The Ancient Golem, Elder Lizard, and big golem are a lot tougher, because they rely on HP and not defenses, and Kayle now gets through the latter faster and the former more slowly.

ChaosOS

2013-03-02, 11:17 AM

Been playing Quinn on dominion all day. She's probably high tier 2/low tier 1 material, she doesn't feel as strong as other ADCs in large 4v4 teamfights, but in anything with 3 or less people she is really strong. Also, her W's utility in dom is fantastic, and her ult enables strong ganks bot/quick responses to ganks bot.

JKTrickster

2013-03-02, 11:58 AM

My bigger issues with her are her animations and sounds. For someone who's supposed to be a Demacian ranger, prowling through the wilderness in search of the dangerous folks the traditional military can't catch, she's awfully... prissy. Her walking animation is annoyingly delicate, and I can't watch her move without thinking like she's trying not to break something.

Then she leans back and shoots at things, but I can't actually hear anything as a result. I find myself missing the satisfying "thwunk" of Vayne's weapons, which is what Quinn most reminds me of. But everything that she does is so quiet and unassuming that it doesn't really provide any decent feedback to the player. Like, the kickflip is neat and all, but even when she's triggering the second part of her ult and descending from the sky amidst a hail of arrows, it's annoying quiet. Maybe it's doing a lot of damage, but it sure doesn't look or feel like it.

Ummm....wait what? I would think moving and acting stealthy would be more appropriate not less. She's quiet and she tracks you down and you never hear her coming - besides the call of Valor.

No?

McDouggal

2013-03-02, 12:07 PM

Wait wait wait.

Wolves beat Fanatic?

PhoeKun

2013-03-02, 12:08 PM

Ummm....wait what? I would think moving and acting stealthy would be more appropriate not less. She's quiet and she tracks you down and you never hear her coming - besides the call of Valor.

No?

Her fighting style is flashy rough and tumble in-your-face. She flips and kicks and shoots a large hand crossbow and makes a falcon claw your eyes out, and also drops from the sky in a flash of light while arrows fall from everywhere. Stealthy might be appropriate for her movement (it's not, FYI, it's excessively prissy), but it doesn't fit her battle style, and the conflation of the ideas of her as a ranger and her as a badass Demacian make her tremendously unfun for me to even watch.

Eldariel

2013-03-02, 12:22 PM

Wait wait wait.

Wolves beat Fanatic?

Fnatic threw a fight really hard and BjergKassadin began cleaning up.

EDIT: Oh, and a trollInhib beat xPeke this time.

soir8

2013-03-02, 12:29 PM

Why does Singed have a reputation as being played by ******* trolls? I've been playing him non-stop for a couple of days, and he's designed to literally hand your team-mates kills and save their asses when they get chased. Friendly Singed is best Singed.

In fact, I've found it almost impossible to lose when the game reaches the teamfight midlane stage. The number of games my team's come from being 10 kills behind to steamrolling straight through midlane when Singed is geared up is ridiculous, and I attribute it to Singed making the enemy team so easy to pick apart and his team-mates so hard to kill.