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chronomatophobe
2013-02-26, 06:27 PM
I'm designing a recurring NPC for a campaign I'm running, and I want them to be--above all--memorable. I can't remember how I came across this idea initially, but I've flirted with the general idea for a long time: a were-dire-toad grappler!*

Reasoning (I think fairly) that the idea is awesome but I'd never want to play one, I set about making it an NPC. It ended up being a Troll Were-Dire-Toad Swordsage because I didn't want it to be a one-half-trick pony in combat. Plus, the idea of a 10ft meditative, spiritual troll-toad that can swallow you is funny AND threatening. Also, the idea that a toad (the character in animal form) can initiate a maneuver with a bite attack is pretty neat.

I have the nitty-gritty stuff like abilities and skills and stuff ironed out, but I'm looking for a few suggestions. For reference, I want the character to start at Swordsage 3, which gives her 13 HD (6 Giant, 4 Animal, 3 Swordsage).
Abilities are: 23 Str, 16 Dex, 24 Con, 13 Int, 20 Wis, 4 Cha based on 32 point buy plus HD ability points, and assuming hybrid form.

Firstly, I'm wondering what maneuvers to take. Seems like Setting Sun will feature, but most of the low level maneuvers are pretty bland. Diamond Mind is kind of out because it's really hard to make concentration respectable after all those nonclass hit dice. Desert Wind is a funky idea and I'm married to the character having ranks in tumble for Flame's Blessing, but I don't really see the character's tenure in the discipline going much further. I honestly don't know where to spend the available maneuvers. Current Build is Troll Were-Dire-Toad Swordsage 3, for reference. I'd like her primary weapons to be her natural weapons. I want people to fear the toad claw when she's not grappling, tripping or eating them.

I also have no idea where to start with gear, aside from some nifty troll-sized light armor. All suggestions are welcome.

Relatively minor question: would you consider Swordsage to be an associated or unassociated class for the purposes of determining CR? I guess I consider it associated because it really accentuates the grappling I'm trying to pursue. But then again, Swordsage is a class with more depth than "I'M TROLL I SMASH"

Also, did I miss a rule about animals being Martial Adepts somewhere? I know unicorns are smart enough to be clerics according to the SRD, and this troll is relatively witty. Could she thusly use Burning Brand to increase the reach of her bite in animal form and do other shenanigans like that? Would a toad's Burning Brand Bite be poisonous RAW? Would Burning Brand allow you to initiate a maneuver that required a melee touch attack like Mighty Throw and an increased distance?

And is one considered flat footed for the purposes of being sneak-attacked in one's own stomach?

Any other comments are welcome, of course. If there are better ways to have an NPC eat a player in a sentient way, I'm all ears.

*Dire Toads are in MMII and I've taken the liberty of updating them to be more 3.5-ey. Mostly just changed some wording so they interact with revised rules in the way one would expect. Biggest change is that I've decided their poison is Con based and includes a +2 racial bonus. Nothing too drastic.

Kuulvheysoon
2013-02-26, 06:48 PM
What, no Gape of the Serpent feat?

Swallowing something of your own size category can be hilarious.

(From Serpent Kingdoms).

chronomatophobe
2013-02-26, 07:12 PM
Nah, the game's actually set in Eberron of all places. I limit allowable sources to what I can access, and I never really got into FR. Swallowing a large creature WOULD be funny, but the resulting bowel movement would probably not be.

Urpriest
2013-02-26, 07:15 PM
Might be nice to hack Constrict onto the guy via Crushing Weight of the Mountain.

Hand_of_Vecna
2013-02-26, 09:48 PM
What, no Gape of the Serpent feat?

Swallowing something of your own size category can be hilarious.

(From Serpent Kingdoms).



Nah, the game's actually set in Eberron of all places. I limit allowable sources to what I can access, and I never really got into FR. Swallowing a large creature WOULD be funny, but the resulting bowel movement would probably not be.

That's ok, it's also in Savage Species.

I wouldn't worry about the logistics Trolls are legendary digesters.

I'd say associated, melee class/melee monster. Also, any monster with HD near/equal/above their CR will be a decent initiator.


Might be nice to hack Constrict onto the guy via Crushing Weight of the Mountain.

This occurred to me too, were you thinking of it as improved stomach damage? The one downside is you'd need to switch out of the Desert Wind Fire Resist stance. Could make for a fun mechanic though; only vulnerable to fire while he's got someone squirmin' in his tummy.

Urpriest
2013-02-26, 10:42 PM
This occurred to me too, were you thinking of it as improved stomach damage? The one downside is you'd need to switch out of the Desert Wind Fire Resist stance. Could make for a fun mechanic though; only vulnerable to fire while he's got someone squirmin' in his tummy.

I don't think it works within the stomach, since the guy stops making grapple checks then. That said, you could swallow one guy, then hold the other with the tongue/mouth.

Hand_of_Vecna
2013-02-26, 11:02 PM
I don't think it works within the stomach, since the guy stops making grapple checks then. That said, you could swallow one guy, then hold the other with the tongue/mouth.

By RAW it certainly doesn't work, just seemed cool to me as either a full on unique rule for a cool character or a researched alternative stance. I also like the idea of a forced stance dance giving the character a temporary vulnerability.

chronomatophobe
2013-02-28, 11:53 PM
Is it worth taking Rapidstrike and the multiattack feats, or should I stay away from those in favor of other strikes/tactics?