Review These Buillds?

[FreakyCheeseMan]

EDIT: Taking another stab at this, sort of got bogged down by tech problems my first run at it.

Hey all; been playing around with focused optimizations builds for the last few days, came up with a couple that I'm proud of; figured I'd show them off, see if I could get any pointers. Do these seem well-built? Legal? Would I get books thrown at me if I tried to play them?

Summoner
{table] Level | Class | Class Features | Other
1 | Archivist 1 | Dark Knowledge (Tactics) 3/day, Scribe Scroll | 1st Level Spells; Feats: Academic Priest, Spell Focus: Conjuration
2 | Archivist 2 | Lore mastery |
3 | Archivist 3| Dark Knowledge 4/day | 2nd-level Spells; Feat: Augment Summoning
4 | Archivist 4| Still Mind |
5 | Archcivist 5| Dark Knowledge (Puissance) | rd-Level Spells
6 | Cleric 1 | H. Armor Proficiency, Turn Undead (3/day), Undead Domain (+4 turn/day), Planning Domain (Bonus Feat: Extend Spell | Feat: Divine Metamagic
7 | Malconvoker 1 | Deceptive Summons (Extend), Unrestricted Summons |
8 | Malconvoker 2 | |
9 | Malconvoker 3 | Skill Focus: Bluf | 4th-Level Spells, Feat: Persistent Spell
10 | Malconvoker 4 | Deceptive Summons: Fury |
11 | Malconvoker 5 | Fiendish Legion | 5th-Level Spells
12 | Thaumaturge 1 | Improved Ally | Feat: Extra Turning
13 | Thaumaturge 2 | Augment Summoning (again) | 6th-Level Spells
14 | Thaumaturge 3 | Extended Summons (Stacks |
15 | Thaumaturge 4 | Contingent Summoning | 7th-Level Spells; Feat: Twin Spell
16 | Thaumaturge 5 | Planar Cohort |
17 | Contemplative 1 | Bonus Domain: Time (Improved Iniatiave) | 8th-Level Spells
18 | Malconvoker 6 | Deceptive Summons: Resistance | Feat: Repeat Spell
19 | Holt Warden 1 | Bonus Spells (Plant Domain), Nature Sense | 9th Level Spells
20 | Holt Warden 2 | Woodland Stride, Rebuke Plants(3/day) |
[/table]

Coolest Trick: Summon two twice-buffed Bebiliths, twice, have them last twice as long as twice as long as normal, then do it again with a contingent spell, then have it all happen again on the next turn.

Concerns: Wasted a feat on Augmented Summons in order to get into Malconvoker, when I would have gotten that from Thaumaturge anyway. Not really sure what to do with the last 6 levels; Holt Warden is only there for the idea that Rebuke Plants could fuel Divine Metamabic, and be counted seperately from Turn Undead, giving me another 3+Cha turn attempts per day - and that really only works under the assumption that the DM just nods furiously whenever I ask him anything, because he's actually a sock monkey.


Anima Incantrix
{table] Level | Class | Class Features | Other
1 | Specialist Wizard 1| Scribe Scroll, Summon Familar | Feats: Precocious Apprentice, Extend Spell
2 | Wizard 2| |
3 | Binder 1| | Feat: Improved Binding, 2nd-Level Vestiges, Bind 1 Vestige
4 | Anima Mage 1 | | Level 2 Spells
5 | Anima Mage 2| Exploit Vestige | 3rd-Level Vestiges
6 | Anima Mage 3| Vestige Awareness | 3rd Level Spells, Feat: Iron Will
7 | Anima Mage 4 | | 4th-Level Vestiges
8 | Anima Mage 5 | Vestige Metamagic (1/day) | 4th-Level Spells
9 | Anima Mage 6 | | Feat: Favored Vestige (Astaroth)
10 | Anima Mage 7 | Vestige Metamagic (2/day) | 5th-Level Spells, 5th-Level Vestiges
11 | Anima Mage 8 | |
12l | Anima Mage 9 | Vestige Metamagic (3/day) | 6th-Level Spells, 6th-Level Vestiges, Feat: Expel Vestige
13 | Anima Mage 10 | Vestige Casting |
14 | Incantrix 1 | Focused Study, Bonus Metamagic: Persistent Metamagic | 7th-Level Spells
15 | Incantrix 2 | Cooperative Metamagic | Feat: Improved Initiative
16 | Incantrix 3 | Metamagic Effect | 8th-Level Spells
17 | Incantrix 4 | Bonus Metamagic: Twin Spell |
18 | Incantrix 5 | Metamagic Spell Trigger | 9th Level Spells, Feat: Quicken Spell
19 | Incantrix 6 | Seize Concentration |
20 | Incantrix 7 | Instant Metamagic 1/day, Bonus Metamagic: Maximize Spell | [/table]

Cool Stuff: Vestige gives me access to any single item crafting feat at a time. Ignore metamagic costs on 3 spells per day. Incantrix Goodies. 19 levels of wizard casting.

Best Trick: Cast any spell as an immediate action.

Concerns: ...not many. Any metamagic feats I clearly spent wrong?

[jywu98]

I don't think this is the right board for this.
Here's where you should post this:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

[FreakyCheeseMan]

I don't think this is the right board for this.
Here's where you should post this:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

I did, but it seemed like the problem was thread-specific; I was able to post there, but not here. So, I tested on another sub-forum.

Also, I wanted to see if I could post something else, then edit in the information I actually wanted to present.

Issue seems to have cleared itself up, editing this thread to what I originally wanted it to be.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Finally got everything worked out with the formatting and my connection not wanting to let me post.

Anyway, what do people think of the builds? Anything I should be aware of?

[Zanfire]

martial wizard to trade scribe scroll for imp initiative at 1st
and Olygote Hole for free iron will

cloistered cleric unless u rly want the heavy armor?

[FreakyCheeseMan]

martial wizard to trade scribe scroll for imp initiative at 1st
and Olygote Hole for free iron will

cloistered cleric unless u rly want the heavy armor?

What's the sourcebook for Martial Wizard? That sounds great.

What's an Olygote Hole and where do I find it?

My understanding of the benefits of Cloistered Cleric is that they have more spells and get Knowledge as a bonus domain; the first is useless for a 1-level dip, and the benefits of Knowledge Domain are just "Treat Knowledge skills as Class Skills" (Which I already do for Archivist levels) and ... hmm. Actually, that one might be useful, if it lets me keep those knowledge skills as class skills for the non Archivist/Cleric levels.

[Kuulvheysoon]

What's the sourcebook for Martial Wizard? That sounds great.

What's an Olygote Hole and where do I find it?

My understanding of the benefits of Cloistered Cleric is that they have more spells and get Knowledge as a bonus domain; the first is useless for a 1-level dip, and the benefits of Knowledge Domain are just "Treat Knowledge skills as Class Skills" (Which I already do for Archivist levels) and ... hmm. Actually, that one might be useful, if it lets me keep those knowledge skills as class skills for the non Archivist/Cleric levels.

Martial Wizard is from Unearthed Arcana (UA).

The Otyugh Hole is a magical location from Complete Scoundrel (CSc) which gives you the Iron Will feat for a negligible fee (3000gp? Something like that).

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Sweet, that makes things significantly better for that build.

Any suggestions on what to do with the two extra feats? Or those three sorta silly levels at the end?

[Zanfire]

1 thing about cc, is trading knowledge domain for knowledge devotion and taking collector of stories

theres actually an entire handbook on the cc dip someplace

on holt warden getting u extra turn attempts to fuel dmm via plant domain is questionable, but iirc it does grant u an extra set of domain spell slots which is nice (might only be if u dont already have via cleric though)

i apologize for my posts being incomplete im afb and only have a few mins before my next class, just thought they might give you a few ideas to look into

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Huh, didn't realize you could do that. Cloistered Cleric it is.