[PFS] Kitsune Boon

[Holocron Coder]

So, I played two Pathfinder Society games at a convention this past weekend and earned the boon Fox-Blooded. So, that means I can shift away from my level 1 summoner to a kitsune, according to the PFS rules.

However, I'm having trouble coming up with what I feel is a viable build. I like sticking to the "fluff" of a thing, so playing kitsune immediately makes me want to stick to the lore of multiple tales, illusion and compulsion spells, etc. But to get the tails, you need to burn a feat per tail, and that's a lot of feats that need to be used elsewhere, it seems. So I'm not sure how to make that viable.

And I tried to figure out a class, but there's no strong support for anything kitsune-specific in any of the classes, really. So it's kinda looking like a Sorcerer, but I'm out of practice building one, especially in Pathfinder (what spells? what feats? Ahh!). And on top of that, a Sorcerer only gets 2+Int (+1 for favored class) per level, which is horrendously low, and means that I won't be able to keep Diplomacy, Bluff, Spellcraft, and other "party face / caster" required skills at a decent level without resorting to feats (which I'm likely to already be starved for).

So, Playground, my question is: what is a good, viable kitsune build?

[Bhaakon]

Kitsune seems pretty bard-y to me.

[Silus]

I managed to get me a hand-me-down Kitsune boon that I turned into a munchkined Disguise build. lvl 3 with an easy +20 bonus to Disguise (+4 Cha, +3 for class skill, +1 rank, +2 for Tools, +10 for Shapechange/Realistic Likeness).

Kitsune Rakshasa-Blooded Sorcerer with points in Disguise (trait) and Bluff.

Pick up the Vocal Alteration spell, knock out some Aspis agent, take their form (Realistic Likeness), take their voice, then just bluff your way through the rest of the scenario.

Also, Enchantment spells all the way.

[Arutema]

I've also been sitting on a Kitsune boon, and can't quite figure out what to do with it. An enchantment-focused sorcerer seems the only thing the race excels at, and I don't have much interest in playing that type of character.

If you do choose to play such a sorcerer, allow me to recommend the undead bloodline. Now you can break the minds of all the zombies, ghouls and ghasts which inevitably appear in scenarios.

[GreenZ]

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** UMD can only recreate spells through wands up to 4th level at minimum caster level.
*** UMD cannot be used in conjunction with dual wielding and may break the fabric of reality when two wands are activated at the same time. Discretion is advised while Using Magic Device.
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[Holocron Coder]

Kitsune seems pretty bard-y to me.

I was debating going bard, if only for the fact that it would give me access to 6+Int skills instead of the measly 2+Int of the sorcerer. How feat-dependent are bards in PF?


I managed to get me a hand-me-down Kitsune boon that I turned into a munchkined Disguise build. lvl 3 with an easy +20 bonus to Disguise (+4 Cha, +3 for class skill, +1 rank, +2 for Tools, +10 for Shapechange/Realistic Likeness).

Kitsune Rakshasa-Blooded Sorcerer with points in Disguise (trait) and Bluff.

Pick up the Vocal Alteration spell, knock out some Aspis agent, take their form (Realistic Likeness), take their voice, then just bluff your way through the rest of the scenario.

Also, Enchantment spells all the way.

Ha, might be do-able. Essentially depend on bluff for absolutely everything?



I've also been sitting on a Kitsune boon, and can't quite figure out what to do with it. An enchantment-focused sorcerer seems the only thing the race excels at, and I don't have much interest in playing that type of character.

If you do choose to play such a sorcerer, allow me to recommend the undead bloodline. Now you can break the minds of all the zombies, ghouls and ghasts which inevitably appear in scenarios.

Huh, I did not notice that about the undead bloodline. Didn't even think to look at it, really. That's amazingly useful.


So you want to wield the amazing magic powers of a Wizard but with the cunning of a Sorcerer and grace of a dex based class?

... Very amusing stuff here ...

Become a Use Magic Device Mystic Theurge today! :smallbiggrin:

:smallbiggrin:

[Silus]

Ha, might be do-able. Essentially depend on bluff for absolutely everything?


Not all that much I think. At level 3 you get the Bloodline Power to read minds once a day, so you play things right and you won't even need to roll for bluff. That's not to say that it's not useful to have.

I'd talk with the person running the game and ask them if they'd give you bonuses for 1) being in a crazy good disguise, 2) looking like an already existing person (Taking the form of an Aspis agent two rooms over for example), 3) Sounding like the person (Vocal Alteration spell) and 4) knowing some key details (Detect Thoughts Bloodline Power).