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Savith9

2013-03-21, 12:07 PM

I'm trying to help a fellow forum member out for a gestalt character using either a psion or a wizard/figher for gestalt now the aver number of feats between either of this is up in the 20's (without PRCS etc) so it has some room for an expanded build anyone have any ideas to help him out?

stack

2013-03-21, 12:32 PM

Is Tome of Battle in? Warblade has nice INT synergy to replace the fighter levels. If wedded to fighter, psion has the advantage of being able to manifest in armor unhindered, but a wizard is a wizard.

sleepyphoenixx

2013-03-21, 12:35 PM

You can get Swiftblade without loss of CL for 2 standard actions/round
(among scores of other benefits).

Derpldorf

2013-03-21, 01:43 PM

If your willing to listen to another method a tashalatora Psychic Warrior//Totemist can create a very powerful and versatile Gish without ever relying on equipment.

stack

2013-03-21, 01:48 PM

You'll get better feedback if you give more direction. What does he want to DO?

Biffoniacus_Furiou

2013-03-21, 06:35 PM

Look at this build (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276761#5), note a few fixes to it in later posts. It's designed to be played from 9th level, but something similar can easily work for this player. Note you can replace the Crusader with Warblade and there won't be much difference except in flavor and probably the heavy armor feats.

Rejusu

2013-03-21, 06:50 PM

Andreaz

2013-03-21, 07:31 PM

Biffoniacus_Furiou

2013-03-21, 07:35 PM

Why choose? You could do Wizard 3/Psion 3 and then Cerebremancer 10/Fighter 10 and then fill out the last 7 levels with potentially more fighter and something that advances the characters spellcasting/manifesting.

Prestige classes that are essentially class combinations-such as the arcane trickster, mystic theurge, and eldritch knight-should be prohibited if you’re using gestalt classes, because they unduly complicate the game balance of what’s already a high-powered variant. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm)

No, you cannot use Cerebremancer with a gestalt character at all unless your DM makes a specific exception to the rules.

elonin

2013-03-21, 08:17 PM

There is an exemption to that if the whole theurge is on one side of the gestalt. Also, you might want to look at swashbuckler. Free weapon finesse at 1st level and int to damage early on are good things.

Rejusu

2013-03-23, 04:42 PM

Prestige classes that are essentially class combinations-such as the arcane trickster, mystic theurge, and eldritch knight-should be prohibited if you’re using gestalt classes, because they unduly complicate the game balance of what’s already a high-powered variant. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm)

No, you cannot use Cerebremancer with a gestalt character at all unless your DM makes a specific exception to the rules.

Actually that's not a rule, it's worded as a suggestion. Note the phrasing "should be" rather than "are", the former makes it a suggestion while the latter would make it a rule. It requires your DM not to forbid it though, so essentially the result is the same. However theurges aren't excluded from gestalt by RAW.

There's no harm in trying anyway.

Spuddles

2013-03-23, 05:02 PM

Psion//Fighter would probably be best, due to not having a problem with fighting in armor until you can invest enough pp in intertial armor to have like +20 AC, and the fact that psions get so many swift action options.

Psion has easiest action advantage straight out the box.

sleepyphoenixx

2013-03-23, 05:25 PM

Fighter doesn't really offer anything after a short dip imo.
How many Fighter feats do you need as a primary caster?

There's nothing wrong with taking a dip in Fighter for profiencies and Improved Initiative but after that it gets stale quickly.

Warblade has a lot more to offer if you want to get mainly hp out of gestalt.
Factotum offers extra standard actions and heavy Int synergy along with lots of skills.

You can also consider taking prestige classes with gestalt that would cost too many CL otherwise.
Swiftblade was mentioned, a level of prestige bard gets you access to some useful bard spells,

2 levels of rogue add evasion and make the skill requirements for Mindbender or Unseen Seer trivial.

2 levels of Psychic Rogue do that and also get you a few PP and 2 low ML powers.

A few levels in a meldshaping class can add a lot of utility to any build.

5 levels of Artificer get you tons of crafting feats, a small crafting reserve, a bonus feat and the ability to extract XP for crafting from magic items you don't want to use instead of selling them at half-price.

The question is: what do you want to get out of your gestalt side?
More hp? Better saves? Specific feats or class abilites? The possibilities are endless.