Into the Web of Darkness: Tokuhara's Drow Question Thread

[Tokuhara]

What's shaking?

Well, at the behest of someone who posed the idea for a Drow Question thread, well, here it is.


Drow

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And on a small sub-note, if someone is willing to make me a Drow Avatar who looks like the most badass male drow (I really don't care what class, so long as he looks freaking sweet), I'll put your name in under the special thanks of this thread.

[kardar233]

Is the "sacrifice of the third son" custom ever mentioned in sources outside Homeland?

[Tokuhara]

Is the "sacrifice of the third son" custom ever mentioned in sources outside Homeland?

It isn't to the best of my knowledge, but considering that it was written in by RA Salvatore, it may have been in during one of the earlier editions.

Now, that custom is only mentioned in one novel and not in sourcebooks like Drow of the Underdark, City of the Spider Queen, Underdark, or Plot and Poison (I know it's 3rd Party, but it draws heavily from the 3.0 sourcebooks without denying canon, minus some of the more "colorful" drow subraces, such as the flying or aquatic varieties), the likely idea is that this is common in Menzoberranzen and not in other Drow cities. This is likely due to the Matron being slightly off her rocker.

[ArcturusV]

Or overly devout. She was written as effectively a radical. So it might be that Lolth (Who seems to dislike males anyway) kind of prefers it but isn't necessarily getting seriously perturbed if people don't do it.

[gurgleflep]

Here's an alliance related question:
Would they ally them selves (well... more like scare them into it) with orcs? I've heard of alliances between the deities Lolth and Gruumsh, which were foiled by Corellon, but would they - without their deities - do such a thing?

[gurgleflep]

And on a small sub-note, if someone is willing to make me a Drow Avatar who looks like the most badass male drow (I really don't care what class, so long as he looks freaking sweet), I'll put your name in under the special thanks of this thread.

Any particular eye color? I've heard of orange, red, violet, blue... Red's the typical color I hear about.

[ArcturusV]

Depends on the context? I mean it's not like Drow don't commonly use "cannon fodder" lesser races. So they're obviously willing to work with other races. As long as it's clear that they are in charge. Seems to have been the context of most alliances I've heard of with the Orcs so far.

Orcs seem far less snooty about it, so I doubt they'd care as long as they're not being blatantly sacrificed.

So the parallel would be the Italians and the Germans in WWII. The Germans were clearly considered superior as a threat, etc. But they were allied, they had their roles to play.

[Tokuhara]

Any particular eye color? I've heard of orange, red, violet, blue... Red's the typical color I hear about.

Since I'm a big fan of the Deepwyrm, could you do dichromatic red & violet (left-red right-violet)?

And to answer your former question (Thanks for the assist Arcturus), think of the Drow as the Imperial Officers from Star Wars. They don't like to dirty their hands if they can avoid it, so they will often find lesser beings to do their bidding. There is no Drow chump. The Drow chump is the Troglodyte in fullplate with a big freaking axe. They have people for that. That isn't to say that Drow won't kill you. You just REALLY need to tick them off something fierce to get a Drow to use his own hands to kill you.

In one campaign I ran, the party foiled a slaving operation by the local matron who had worked her way to having the local baron in her pocket with sexual favors (let's all be mature here). When the PCs foiled it, she sent her personal assassins (3 Drow Shadow Hand Swordsage 6/Assassin 1 and 3 Drow Spellthief 1/Sorcerer 5/Unseen Seer) to kill them. The party barely walked away with their lives, and she decided to flee back into the underdark to sully the party's name at the dwarven kingdom they called home.

[gurgleflep]

Since I'm a big fan of the Deepwyrm, could you do dichromatic red & violet (left-red right-violet)?

And to answer your former question (Thanks for the assist Arcturus), think of the Drow as the Imperial Officers from Star Wars. They don't like to dirty their hands if they can avoid it, so they will often find lesser beings to do their bidding. There is no Drow chump. The Drow chump is the Troglodyte in fullplate with a big freaking axe. They have people for that. That isn't to say that Drow won't kill you. You just REALLY need to tick them off something fierce to get a Drow to use his own hands to kill you.

In one campaign I ran, the party foiled a slaving operation by the local matron who had worked her way to having the local baron in her pocket with sexual favors (let's all be mature here). When the PCs foiled it, she sent her personal assassins (3 Drow Shadow Hand Swordsage 6/Assassin 1 and 3 Drow Spellthief 1/Sorcerer 5/Unseen Seer) to kill them. The party barely walked away with their lives, and she decided to flee back into the underdark to sully the party's name at the dwarven kingdom they called home.

Yes I could :)

Thank you for explaining this to me, but... the Troglodyte, what book would I find them in?

Slave trades? This is courtesy of MidgetMarine. WARNING: IT'S LENGTHY!! I wanted a bandit group lead by a drow with a few allies, and he came up with this:
*Rubs hands together*
Alright.
Let's do this.

Your bandit group are mostly ex-slaves, except for the drow. The majority of their lives were spent in brutal servitude to powerful lords and ladies, which was especially humiliating the case of the (ogre/minotaur).

The drow, however, has little to no tolerance for forced containment, having been a prisoner of war and the hands of elves for several decades. He still bears the scars of this traumatizing encounter.

The drow, having escaped his elven captors, did his best to find a new life in the shadows. However, not too long after his achievement of freedom, did he come across a slave auction. The sight of a bruised and battered goblin being dragged onto the podium brought back the painful experiences of his time at the hands of the elfs.

Without a second thought, he stepped forwards and slew the slave trader, before leading the goblin, and all the other slaves, to safety.

The slaves were, as he would discover, being sold as cannon fodder for a mercenary company. The slaves, composing of four of the goblins and one of the bugbears, vowed to stay with him, as they owed him their lives.

They made one or two small operations against slaving rings, and gained a few members here and there from thankful slaves wishing to make a difference. As they increased in size, they increased in skill, and in their potency.

They now are a crack-team bandit group.
Whenever slave caravans make their way through the area, they know.
And despite drastically increased security, every caravan to risk the paths has been found, its escorts slain and its slaves missing. They are known to the locals as "The Chained Ones"

They wear broken manacles on their ankles and wrists to represent their past of forced servitude. The drow does not wear these manacles, but his scars and injuries of the past have left him brutally disfigured, and those very very few survivors of the caravan attacks are known to babble madly about "The scars. His eyes. His eyes, the scars. Oh god, the scars."

The goblins serve as the strike force, approaching caravan's unnoticed before disabling the horses with repeating crossbows.
The Bugbears then follow, emerging from predesignated hiding places to dispose of the cart's wheels. Their first priority is to quite literally smash the rear wheels of the cart.
At the same time, the orc opens fire on any guards (from high ground when possible) with an elven double bow he took from a slave trader's personal collection.
And, at this moment, the minotaur emerges, charging in with an enormous two handed hammer to bludgeon opposition to paste.
The drow (a bard with ranks in perform (oratory)) Yells out tactics and encouragement (AKA inspire courage, inspire ____) to aid the other bandits.


Also, The minotaur (or ogre) is the most articulate of the entire crew, despite his role in combat. He served under a powerful aristocrat for most of his life and would often steal books from the man's collection to read. He became a self taught author and literature aficionado. He can speak and write multiple languages fluently, and enjoys employing his vast vocabulary (bordering on purple prose) in his day-to-day speech.



I really hope this is the sort of thing you wanted.
As I went a little overboard.

[LOTRfan]

Troglodytes are found in the Monster Manual, and stats can be found in the SRD. I like the pathfinder fluff because they are said to be the descendants of an ancient, technologically advanced empire that fell apart due to civil war. It has a very Land of the Lost-like feel to it.

[Tokuhara]

Yes I could :)

Thank you for explaining this to me, but... the Troglodyte, what book would I find them in?

Slave trades? This is courtesy of MidgetMarine. WARNING: IT'S LENGTHY!! I wanted a bandit group lead by a drow with a few allies, and he came up with this:
*Rubs hands together*
Alright.
Let's do this.

Your bandit group are mostly ex-slaves, except for the drow. The majority of their lives were spent in brutal servitude to powerful lords and ladies, which was especially humiliating the case of the (ogre/minotaur).

The drow, however, has little to no tolerance for forced containment, having been a prisoner of war and the hands of elves for several decades. He still bears the scars of this traumatizing encounter.

The drow, having escaped his elven captors, did his best to find a new life in the shadows. However, not too long after his achievement of freedom, did he come across a slave auction. The sight of a bruised and battered goblin being dragged onto the podium brought back the painful experiences of his time at the hands of the elfs.

Without a second thought, he stepped forwards and slew the slave trader, before leading the goblin, and all the other slaves, to safety.

The slaves were, as he would discover, being sold as cannon fodder for a mercenary company. The slaves, composing of four of the goblins and one of the bugbears, vowed to stay with him, as they owed him their lives.

They made one or two small operations against slaving rings, and gained a few members here and there from thankful slaves wishing to make a difference. As they increased in size, they increased in skill, and in their potency.

They now are a crack-team bandit group.
Whenever slave caravans make their way through the area, they know.
And despite drastically increased security, every caravan to risk the paths has been found, its escorts slain and its slaves missing. They are known to the locals as "The Chained Ones"

They wear broken manacles on their ankles and wrists to represent their past of forced servitude. The drow does not wear these manacles, but his scars and injuries of the past have left him brutally disfigured, and those very very few survivors of the caravan attacks are known to babble madly about "The scars. His eyes. His eyes, the scars. Oh god, the scars."

The goblins serve as the strike force, approaching caravan's unnoticed before disabling the horses with repeating crossbows.
The Bugbears then follow, emerging from predesignated hiding places to dispose of the cart's wheels. Their first priority is to quite literally smash the rear wheels of the cart.
At the same time, the orc opens fire on any guards (from high ground when possible) with an elven double bow he took from a slave trader's personal collection.
And, at this moment, the minotaur emerges, charging in with an enormous two handed hammer to bludgeon opposition to paste.
The drow (a bard with ranks in perform (oratory)) Yells out tactics and encouragement (AKA inspire courage, inspire ____) to aid the other bandits.


Also, The minotaur (or ogre) is the most articulate of the entire crew, despite his role in combat. He served under a powerful aristocrat for most of his life and would often steal books from the man's collection to read. He became a self taught author and literature aficionado. He can speak and write multiple languages fluently, and enjoys employing his vast vocabulary (bordering on purple prose) in his day-to-day speech.



I really hope this is the sort of thing you wanted.
As I went a little overboard.

My only two points on this:

Likely, this Drow was deemed KIA by the house, and likely knows this, so he may use a monicker now that he is a leader of a mercenary band. The thing is, if another Drow discovers him (say the BBEG), then he will be hunted until his final breath (his actions likely brand him a traitor)

and second, the character seems to be non-evil. Not saying that this is bad (hell, it could make an interesting encounter with the PCs), but if you're going to drop him in, here's a few pointers:

1. Drow aren't just thugs you beat up at low levels. I know they're low CR creatures, but they are string pullers. I know this bandit is anti-slavery, but what's his ulterior motive? Money? Power? Drow are all about angles. To put it another way; They aren't the Nazis in Raiders of the Lost Ark, they're Belloch (?). They are antagonists who may work for a corrupt evil goddess and may have alliances with Illithid/Aboleths/Deep Dragons/Evil beings beyond this realm, but they have their own motivations.

2. Drow don't get along with others. It's slightly my cliche in my groups, but Drow are the villain you can bargain with. The party may have a NE Drow at their mercy and he looks at the group and suggests they work to defeat the group neither likes. And maybe the party paladin doesn't want to get in bed with him, but he's got a point in that much more good can be caused if they work together this one time. And believe me: having a Drow "owe you one" could come in very handy.

[ArcturusV]

Not to mention while the drow RACE is low CR, you should never really be running into Drow that do not have additional class levels. Even the guy who is just a string puller probably has levels in an NPC class like Aristocrat or Adept. These aren't (usually, I can't speak for all settings, I don't know Eberron for example) just mooks who are barely trained savages. They are scary because they have everything a PC has on hand. You run into Drow groups that are all class leveled, and typically designed to exploit intelligent tactics.

[Tokuhara]

Not to mention while the drow RACE is low CR, you should never really be running into Drow that do not have additional class levels. Even the guy who is just a string puller probably has levels in an NPC class like Aristocrat or Adept. These aren't (usually, I can't speak for all settings, I don't know Eberron for example) just mooks who are barely trained savages. They are scary because they have everything a PC has on hand. You run into Drow groups that are all class leveled, and typically designed to exploit intelligent tactics.

Which I honestly think is why most DMs don't run drow.

Because they have everything available to PCs a few levels higher than the party, the WBL can be thrown out of wack.

There are two solutions.

The first is that most drow gear cannot survive sunlight (very 2e, but it works), and the second is to use the drow much like what the PCs do. If the party has a base of operations, while they're gone, have the Drow loot THEIR home for things.

[ArcturusV]

Or just have them use a lot of consumables. Which fits the Drow Ideal in fiction. The Drow in fiction go through A LOT of consumables. There wouldn't be a lot of loot left after they logically use their items in battle. And the ones that are left could have Sunlight issues, need Underdark Radiation to remain magical, and/or have Alignment Issues tagged on them.

No one wants their gear to be giving them negative levels.

Nor does anyone want to buy something effectively "Cursed" like that.

[Tokuhara]

Or just have them use a lot of consumables. Which fits the Drow Ideal in fiction. The Drow in fiction go through A LOT of consumables. There wouldn't be a lot of loot left after they logically use their items in battle. And the ones that are left could have Sunlight issues, need Underdark Radiation to remain magical, and/or have Alignment Issues tagged on them.

No one wants their gear to be giving them negative levels.

Nor does anyone want to buy something effectively "Cursed" like that.

Right. I'm just using the Sunlight issue as a nice middle finger from, behind the DM screen

[gurgleflep]

They still have DM screens in 3.5? In my group, we basically just had the DM sit at a table where nobody could see what they're doing.

[ArcturusV]

Peechee folder. Simple DM screen and handy container for various notes anyway.

[Tokuhara]

Peechee folder. Simple DM screen and handy container for various notes anyway.

Yup.

And now, we can get back on the topic at hand.

[Asmodai]

I'd like to learn more about the Drow Pantheon outside the ubiquitous Lolth. Where did they hide from her, what are their portofolios and what they are up to and what kind of flavour do they have.

[Phelix-Mu]

How do I fluff lesser drow into drow society? As is, the standard drow exist in my campaign world, but I'd like to give the players the option of playing drow that don't have a LA. There are quite the stack of 2e conversion drow characters as well, and this might be an attractive option for some of them. Can the game function with both types of drow being around?

[ArcturusV]

Possible use the Lesser Drow as members (or former members) of Vaerhaun, or however that name I always butcher is spelled, the Male Drow God of Thieves, campaign?

I mean his plan to have the drow rightfully take over the surface world mostly revolves around the Drow breeding with surface elves, as the resulting offspring tend to "Breed Drow", though occasionally get a pale skinned surface elf type.

Lesser Drow could be these offspring. They have a drow bloodline, look mostly drow, but aren't actually wholly drow, having the blood of High Elves, Wood Elves, Wild Elves, etc, mingled in.

[Tokuhara]

I'd like to learn more about the Drow Pantheon outside the ubiquitous Lolth. Where did they hide from her, what are their portofolios and what they are up to and what kind of flavour do they have.

Let me see if I can give you the rough details of the Drow Pantheon (I'm giving you a name and a jist of their theme)

Lolth - The Patron Goddess
Vhaeraun - The God of Thievery and Furthering Drow Aims
Eiliestraee- The Goddess of Good Drow
Kiaransalee- The Goddess of Vengeance and Undeath
Selvetarm- God of Drow Warriors
Ghaunadaur- This one's a toughie. It is the deity of those drow who want to rebel against Lolth.

And as for the question on Lesser and Normal Drow, there are realistically 3 castes of drow:

Lesser - These are the drow that aren't Purebloods, often mixes of other elven types. These guys are low on the ladder, but above slaves
Normal - These guys make up a lot of the army and other non-noble positions. Drizz't is a Normal Drow
Noble/Highborn - This is the ruling class. These guys and gals run the show. Jarlaxle Baenre is a Highborn Drow

[Urpriest]

I recall the Dragon issue on Drow mentioning that they have much higher birthrates than other Elves, with a tendency towards twins, but that said twins tend to eat eachother in the womb and that that and the high rate of violent death balances things out to give them roughly an Elven rate of population growth. Does this have any support in the sourcebooks or novels?

[Tokuhara]

I recall the Dragon issue on Drow mentioning that they have much higher birthrates than other Elves, with a tendency towards twins, but that said twins tend to eat each other in the womb and that that and the high rate of violent death balances things out to give them roughly an Elven rate of population growth. Does this have any support in the sourcebooks or novels?

That's actually never mentioned, though it's an interesting interpretation. The violent death is mentioned a lot in many of the novels and sourcebooks, so there's that.

The other thing to mention is that Drow could almost be accused of being from Arkantucksippi because since Drow are mostly Xenophobic, they're mostly inbred, especially in the Noble Houses.

[ArcturusV]

Well, the constant "Promotion by Assassination" and "Training Accidents" since Drow seem wholly unfamiliar with anything other than Live Fire Exercises does seem to support the high death rate. Of course there is also their various ongoing "Kill on Sight" conflicts with Deep Dwarves, Mind Flayers, and the various dangerous monsters of the underdark like Umber Hulks that also take their toll of violent death.

[Phelix-Mu]

That's actually never mentioned, though it's an interesting interpretation. The violent death is mentioned a lot in many of the novels and sourcebooks, so there's that.

The other thing to mention is that Drow could almost be accused of being from Arkantucksippi because since Drow are mostly Xenophobic, they're mostly inbred, especially in the Noble Houses.

I thought there was RAW somewhere on drow maturing much faster than normal elves. Although not quite the same thing as a higher birth rate, faster maturation would have a similar effect on population growth, and would counteract some of the violent tendencies that are a rather famous drow behavioral trait. I guess it might not directly be implied, but faster gestation and shorter inter-birth times are kind of like higher birth rate, and would tend to correlate to species that mature more quickly.

Finally, Lolth has a bit of breeding program going on with the drow, and shorter generational span serves this intention well. Certainly, having the kids take a hundred years to grow up would not suit the bloodthirsty pace of drow society.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Let me see if I can give you the rough details of the Drow Pantheon (I'm giving you a name and a jist of their theme)

Lolth - The Patron Goddess
Vhaeraun - The God of Thievery and Furthering Drow Aims (especially on the Surface)
Eiliestraee- The Goddess of Good Drow
Kiaransalee- The Goddess of Vengeance and Undeath
Selvetarm- God of Drow Warriors
Ghaunadaur- This one's a toughie. It is the deity of those drow who want to rebel against Lolth. He's a power older than the rest of the Drow pantheon, and was first worshipped by the Ilythiir during the First Flowering of the People. Notable that following the events of the War of the Spider Queen, he left the pantheon of his own accord.

And as for the question on Lesser and Normal Drow, there are realistically 3 castes of drow:

Lesser - These are the drow that aren't Purebloods, often mixes of other elven types. These guys are low on the ladder, but above slaves
Normal - These guys make up a lot of the army and other non-noble positions. Drizz't is a Normal Drow No, he's not. House Do'Urden was the Tenth House of Menzoberranzan before it moved up to the Ninth and was summarily destroyed. Drizzt is a Noble. Ryld Argyth (of War of the Spier Queen fame) is a much better example of a 'normal' drow.
Noble/Highborn - This is the ruling class. These guys and gals run the show. Jarlaxle Baenre is a Highborn Drow

My commentary in bold.

[ArcturusV]

One thing to note that, having read a few of the Faerun Novels involving him, Vhaeraun can mask his followers from Lolth as well. Since you did ask how they managed to "hide" from Lolth. Lolth in fact seems far less omniscient than you'd typically think of for a "God", or even a primary Godhead of a Pantheon. The only times she's really shown to have any sort of divine all seeing eye is, as far as I've seen, in the Homeland and Exile books. And even then it's not so much all seeing as that she finally noticed something, probably because someone drew her attention explicitly to it and she noticed.

Compared to Vhaeraun who effectively "Flipped" a powerful cleric of Lolth, masked her, and did it in such a way said Cleric could get spells from both Lolth AND Vhaeraun at the same time without Lolth even noticing.

[Asteron]

It isn't to the best of my knowledge, but considering that it was written in by RA Salvatore, it may have been in during one of the earlier editions.

Now, that custom is only mentioned in one novel and not in sourcebooks like Drow of the Underdark, City of the Spider Queen, Underdark, or Plot and Poison (I know it's 3rd Party, but it draws heavily from the 3.0 sourcebooks without denying canon, minus some of the more "colorful" drow subraces, such as the flying or aquatic varieties), the likely idea is that this is common in Menzoberranzen and not in other Drow cities. This is likely due to the Matron being slightly off her rocker.

It has been mentioned one other time that I know of, but it was also in reference to Menzoberranzan. Spoilers...

In one of the later books it is revealed that Jarlaxle was the 3rd son of Baenre and was sacrificed. It's never been revealed how he came back...

[Andezzar]

How do I fluff lesser drow into drow society? As is, the standard drow exist in my campaign world, but I'd like to give the players the option of playing drow that don't have a LA. There are quite the stack of 2e conversion drow characters as well, and this might be an attractive option for some of them. Can the game function with both types of drow being around?Not really. The lesser races (Drow, Tieflings, Aasimar, maybe others) are supposed to be a replacement for the standard races. Nobles are not biologically different from the rest, only socially.

If you want to diverge from canon, maybe you could posit that the surface drow (d)evolved into lesser drow, because of the lack of Underdark radiation/magic.


It has been mentioned one other time that I know of, but it was also in reference to Menzoberranzan. Spoilers...

In one of the later books it is revealed that Jarlaxle was the 3rd son of Baenre and was sacrificed. It's never been revealed how he came back...Wasn't it that he was supposed to be sacrificed, and it was never explained why he wasn't?

[Tokuhara]

The big thing to note is that Jarlaxle is a walking Deus Ex Machina. No matter the plot, he has an answer to it. I've always wanted to rebuild Jarlaxle to be a martial adept, but it seemed to cheapen him.

[hamishspence]

Maybe Jarlaxle's failed sacrifice was in Tales of the Underdark or something like that?

[Tokuhara]

I dunno offhand, and I want to thank all of you who covered me while I was sleeping. Just glad there are people who are around to help out.

[Norin]

I'd like to learn more about the Drow Pantheon outside the ubiquitous Lolth. Where did they hide from her, what are their portofolios and what they are up to and what kind of flavour do they have.

Have a look here (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Seldarine) for some more info on the Dark Seldarine, the Drow pantheon in Forgotten Realms.


Maybe Jarlaxle's failed sacrifice was in Tales of the Underdark or something like that?

Here is a little info on his birth and planned sacrifice:

Due to the status of his birth, Jarlaxle was to be sacrificed to Lolth by Yvonnel Baenre. However, when her efforts failed due to House Oblodra, he was cast into a subterranean lake and nearly all connection between Jarlaxle and Baenre was lost.

I can not recall where this information is from, nor does the site privide citations. Even in Villain's Lorebook (ad&d 2nd ed) little is said of Jarlaxle's background and early life.

On another note, since this is a Drow thread, i just have to express my love for Gromph Baenre and Kimmuriel Oblodra. Two awesome characters i really wanted to read more about.

Kimmuriel and Jarlaxle actualy kept me interested in the long-winded stories of the dual scimitar wielding renegade drow ranger that shall remain unnamed. :smallsigh:

[Divayth Fyr]

Here is a little info on his birth and planned sacrifice:
(...)
I can not recall where this information is from, nor does the site privide citations. Even in Villain's Lorebook (ad&d 2nd ed) little is said of Jarlaxle's background and early life.
According to Wikipedia, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarlaxle#History) it came from the Road of the Patriarch - never read the book, so I can't confirm nor deny this statement.

[Tokuhara]

Just to explain (and I'm embarrassed to say this), I've never read any of the Drizz't books. My knowledge comes from campaigns and source material for the d20 system

[Phelix-Mu]

Just to explain (and I'm embarrassed to say this), I've never read any of the Drizz't books. My knowledge comes from campaigns and source material for the d20 system

If you want a nice story with lots of drow, the prequel trilogy that talks about Drizz't as he was growing up in Menzoberranzan is a pretty good set of books. The rest of the series really does go on and on, and obviously his life on the surface has lots of non-drow stuff. I stopped reading around "The Spine of the World," and I did enjoy the series, if only because I also had a drow character almost as old as the Drizz't concept and of similar archetype (though different character build).

[Tokuhara]

If you want a nice story with lots of drow, the prequel trilogy that talks about Drizz't as he was growing up in Menzoberranzan is a pretty good set of books. The rest of the series really does go on and on, and obviously his life on the surface has lots of non-drow stuff. I stopped reading around "The Spine of the World," and I did enjoy the series, if only because I also had a drow character almost as old as the Drizz't concept and of similar archetype (though different character build).

When I get cash, I'll stop by a local bookstore and see if any are there.

My thing is that Drizz't seems to be able to do things you can't in 3.X (mostly attacking when it's not his turn, but who am I to judge :smallwink:), but it's a novel, so whatever.

I read the first chapter of The Lone Drow, but my novel magically vanished into the void, so oh well.

[Phelix-Mu]

When I get cash, I'll stop by a local bookstore and see if any are there.

My thing is that Drizz't seems to be able to do things you can't in 3.X (mostly attacking when it's not his turn, but who am I to judge :smallwink:), but it's a novel, so whatever.

I read the first chapter of The Lone Drow, but my novel magically vanished into the void, so oh well.

I think the first nine or so books came out before 3e, and while 2e mechanics weren't radically different, I think the books take a more cinematic approach to combat. Especially the Artemis v Drizz't fights.

[hamishspence]

It's worth remembering that it's his surname, not his first name, that has the apostrophe.

So- Drizzt.

[Norin]

An even better combat\battle between 2 drow can be found in the book Ressurection (The War of the Spider Queen).

(Spoilered just in case people do not want to know beforehand that these two characters clash in epic battle)
The battle between Archmage Gromph Baenre and the lichdrow sorcerer "Lord Dyrr" of house Agrach Dyrr

It's awesome. :smallbiggrin: