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TDG
2013-04-01, 05:30 AM
We know from Start of Darkness(p36) and Thor's comments (p453 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html)) that the Gods' are not allowed to directly interfere with other pantheons' territories.
World 1.0 demonstrated that doing so could lead to the very conflicts that created the god-slaying abomination that is the Snarl (p273 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0273.html))

Soon, founding member of the "Order of the Scribble" was visiting the Elven lands when he discovered the first rift.(p275 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html)). The Elven lands have been shown to be on the Western Continent, just north of the desert in which the current plotline is set (pp639 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html), 680 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html), 698 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0698.html))
The Western Continent is the territory of the Western Gods; Marduk, Tiamat et al (p273 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0273.html)).

Following the tragic demise of Soon's wife, Soon conveniently comes across an Elven Druid named Lirian.(p276 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html)) Lirian was "looking for lost bears" at the time (a likely excuse!) and just happened to intergrate herself into the adventuring party responsible for the creation of the gates, a spell in which she was essential(p276 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html)). Indeed she is alluded to being the person who came up with the idea herself. (p196 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html))

The spell allegedly acts as a means of sealing the rifts and weakening the Snarl (pp276 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html), 278 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0278.html)) but also opens the very real possibility of exploitation by parties who can use Divine and Arcane magic to shift the gates to other planes, including that of the Gods. (pp830 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html), SOD46)

This threat of moving a gate and unleashing the Snarl underpins the central conflict of the story - as our protagonists seek to protect the gates (pp 290 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0290.html), 442 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0442.html)) and a slew of others seek to use the gates to their own advantage - be they Xykon seeking to control the gate (p97 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0097.html), 117 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0117.html), 331 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html), 442 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0442.html), 829 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0829.html), SOD45), Redclock seeking to give control to his deity (p830 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html)), the Linear Guild (incl. Tarquin) seeking to control the gates themselves (pp820 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0820.html)- 821 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0821.html)), or the IFCC who claim to seek unadulterated conflict (pp637 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0637.html), 668 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0668.html)).

So how do the Northern gods fit in this picture? Let us return to our dear Lirian. In her appearances, we see a fair-skinned blond women wearing a green outfit. (pp196 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html), 276 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html), 532 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html)). Now if we examine the creators of the World 2.0, we see a fair-skinned, blond women in a green outfit arguing with Monkey, a Southern god. (p274 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html))

Said goddess radiates a yellow aura, shown to be the colour of the Northern gods.(p273 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0273.html)), implying she hails from the Northern partheon.

Ladies and gentlemen, I posit that Lirian is none other than this mysterious Northern goddess and that she has disguised herself as such in order to avoid detection as she breaks the vow of the Gods not to cross territories for the Northern Gods' nefarious plots.

Their appearances are strikingly similar, they have failed to be seen in the same room, and a nefarious plot of the Gods is far more logical that which we are currently being asked to believe- IE: that a random druid women strayed into a plot with such high stakes, decided her "lost bears" were less important than traveling with a stranger claiming a mythical beast no longer on the scene killed his wife (more likely a cover story for his own foul deeds), formulated the plans for a spell that allows exploitation, blackmailing and potential murder of the Gods themselves, designed said spell so that both a divine spellcaster(herself) and arcane spellcaster(Dorukan) were required to cast it and then became romantically involved with said arcane spellcaster(pp196 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html), 532 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html), SOD67).

No, it seems far more likely that she has orchestrated a series of events leading the formation of unstoppable tools of destruction and is merely biding her time to strike when the other gods least suspect it.
What is her endgame?
Does she wish to strike down Monkey for his Ninjas or does she seek destruction of all other partheons?
Were the Holey Brotherhood (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html) merely protecting the rift from her evil ways?
No doubt all of these questions will be answered by the comic's end. I for one am excited to see her, and the other Northern Gods, receive their long overdue comeuppance at the hands of our heroes.

I note that some of you will doubt the two females are one and the same, citing that a pipe is just a pipe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7066430&postcount=17). To this I point to three facts which show the lengths to which the Giant has gone to foreshadow the reveal-
1) The hundreds of years (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html) the Gods spent in hiding following the destruction of World 1.0
2) The Northern goddess' braided hair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html)
3) The established braiding protocol (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0601.html) carried out by females in prolonged hiding.

factotum
2013-04-01, 10:37 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I posit that Lirian is none other than this mysterious Northern goddess and that she has disguised herself as such in order to avoid detection as she breaks the vow of the Gods not to cross territories for the Northern Gods' nefarious plots.


Guessing you've not read Start of Darkness?


Xykon killed Lirian and trapped her soul in a black gemstone--so either her disguise was so thorough that she was able to fake getting killed and soulbound, or she really, really sucks as a Goddess.

Byzantine2
2013-04-01, 10:40 AM
Guessing you've not read Start of Darkness?


Xykon killed Lirian and trapped her soul in a black gemstone--so either her disguise was so thorough that she was able to fake getting killed and soulbound, or she really, really sucks as a Goddess.


*cough* check the date *cough* At least, i think that is the case, it smells of it.

Copperdragon
2013-04-01, 10:52 AM
You think the Lirian-Goddess could not fake her own imprisonment in the gem?

It's a very well written and clear theory that got posted!

JackRackham
2013-04-01, 11:13 AM
This is insane, INSANE!!! The Eastern Gods are obviously behind The Snarl. You really believe mighty Zeus was so easily slain? Nay, lad. The Western Gods created the Snarl to try and take out all these other Gods and take control of creation for themselves, but Odin totally saw it coming and, together with the rest of the gods, created another world around the first.

So, the world we saw in the rift is all Greek and stuff. That's why the Snarl isn't striking. Because what Zeus actually wants is for all three gates to fall, so that there will be no barrier between worlds, allowing his pantheon, and their super-weapon the snarl, to intervene directly in the new world. He wants full access so that he can fight and destroy the other pantheons once and for all.

Meanwhile, Odin and the other Gods of this world totes have another plan they think will allow them to defeat Zeus and his followers, so they're letting this whole thing play out. The Dark One knows none of this. He's counting on the world being destroyed and remade, with a more equitable position for Goblins and other monster races.

Oh, and Lirian actually came FROM the rift. She is a follower of Artemis, sent to initiate a very specific chain of events leading to the destruction of the barrier between worlds. The Snarl initiated this sequence on Zeus' orders and Lirian was just waiting to infiltrate the sucker Soon and his adventuring party.

Why do you think she put a (flammable, apparently) gate in the midst of so many trees that were not warded properly against fire? Why do you think her boyfriend, who she seduced and twisted to her purposes, put a self-destruct rune on his gate!? It's all to jump start the destruction of the gates, to plant the idea of it in adventurers' minds as an unfortunate alternative to domination of the gates by the forces of evil - also part of the plan, by the way. The gates were made by Lirian and her beau to be easily manipulated, so as to create a viable threat from any Evil-type. They also subtly suggested Serini keep a diary.

Unisus
2013-04-01, 11:18 AM
*cough* check the date *cough* At least, i think that is the case, it smells of it.

As if there never had been theories like that on another date... ;)

JackRackham
2013-04-01, 11:34 AM
This is insane, INSANE!!! The Eastern Gods are obviously behind The Snarl. You really believe mighty Zeus was so easily slain? Nay, lad. The Western Gods created the Snarl to try and take out all these other Gods and take control of creation for themselves, but Odin totally saw it coming and, together with the rest of the gods, created another world around the first.

So, the world we saw in the rift is all Greek and stuff. That's why the Snarl isn't striking. Because what Zeus actually wants is for all three gates to fall, so that there will be no barrier between worlds, allowing his pantheon, and their super-weapon the snarl, to intervene directly in the new world. He wants full access so that he can fight and destroy the other pantheons once and for all.

Meanwhile, Odin and the other Gods of this world totes have another plan they think will allow them to defeat Zeus and his followers, so they're letting this whole thing play out. The Dark One knows none of this. He's counting on the world being destroyed and remade, with a more equitable position for Goblins and other monster races.

Oh, and Lirian actually came FROM the rift. She is a follower of Artemis, sent to initiate a very specific chain of events leading to the destruction of the barrier between worlds. The Snarl initiated this sequence on Zeus' orders and Lirian was just waiting to infiltrate the sucker Soon and his adventuring party.

Why do you think she put a (flammable, apparently) gate in the midst of so many trees that were not warded properly against fire? Why do you think her boyfriend, who she seduced and twisted to her purposes, put a self-destruct rune on his gate!? It's all to jump start the destruction of the gates, to plant the idea of it in adventurers' minds as an unfortunate alternative to domination of the gates by the forces of evil - also part of the plan, by the way. The gates were made by Lirian and her beau to be easily manipulated, so as to create a viable threat from any Evil-type. They also subtly suggested Serini keep a diary.
Oh, and the IFCC figured all this out. They're counting on this needless conflict to so weaken the Gods, that they will be able to swoop in together, a coalition of fiends, and take over entirely!

Zmeoaice
2013-04-01, 11:39 AM
Guessing you've not read Start of Darkness?


Xykon killed Lirian and trapped her soul in a black gemstone--so either her disguise was so thorough that she was able to fake getting killed and soulbound, or she really, really sucks as a Goddess.


If this theory is true, it's possible that she's not a goddess, and just a Druid who serves the Northern Gods, like how Redcloak serves the Dark One.

And if this is a joke, I don't see the punchline. He put waaay to much effort.

sparky9042
2013-04-01, 01:15 PM
Psh. The obvious villain of The Order of the Stick is actually...

:roy: Roy Greenhilt! Who snapped after one too many "fighters are dumb" jokes from his father, and set about on an epic quest to doom the world by shattering the remaining Gates that imprison the Snarl. After all, no one would suspect a big dumb fighter...

TDG
2013-04-01, 02:51 PM
Guessing you've not read Start of Darkness?


Xykon killed Lirian and trapped her soul in a black gemstone--so either her disguise was so thorough that she was able to fake getting killed and soulbound, or she really, really sucks as a Goddess.


Do you forget that...

Dorukan (arcane) is ALSO trapped in that gemstone. A gemstone that is being carried to every gate, bypassing the need for the two to eliminate the defences of the remaining Scribble members themselves.

Lirian was right, the gemstone is no longer a prison - it is a key to the destruction of those who defy the Northern gods

skim172
2013-04-01, 03:23 PM
Psh. The obvious villain of The Order of the Stick is actually...

:roy: Roy Greenhilt! Who snapped after one too many "fighters are dumb" jokes from his father, and set about on an epic quest to doom the world by shattering the remaining Gates that imprison the Snarl. After all, no one would suspect a big dumb fighter...

Nah.

It's not Roy. Think about it. After all, who was it that blew up Dorukan's Gate? Who was it who, along with his "evil" twin, distracted the Order long enough with some ridiculous sideplot that they failed to recognize until too late the threat to Azure City? Who gave the demoralizing speech to the Azurite army, no doubt the deciding factor in the conflict? Who led Tarquin and Nale right to Girard's Gate? Who has been constantly sabotaging the Order with his supposed "incompetence"?

That's right: Elan. He's been playing us all from the very beginning. He's been out to destroy the Gates all along. What, his long-lost twin just "happens" to show up when they're in Dorukan's dungeon? And just "happens" to show up again at Tarquin's castle? Open your eyes - it's a two-man con, and the two twins are playing us all for chumps.

Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.

It's a complicated, circuitous, multi-generational scheme - and who do we know likes complicated, circuitous plans? Elan and Nale's blonde mother, of course. She's the brains behind it all - a devious, inscrutable mind.

Tarquin left her because she was too goody-two-shoes? Nonsense. Tarquin left her because he was afraid. He might be a rampaging bloodthirsty warlord, but one hazy half-glimpse into the diabolic horrors of the abyss of her mind and he ran as fast he could, to the Western Continent, across the ocean, as far as he could go, pausing only to rescue at least one child from her clutches. But it was too late.

For Nale had inherited that same eldritch vein, that ancient blood, calling out for the unmaking of reality - and blood will out. The hopeless screams of dead gods were echoing across his brain from when he was in his mother's womb. From the moment he was born, he knew, and Elan knew, that it would be their fate to render this world asunder. The Twins who would tear apart the threads of reality and revel in the infinite pain of all creation as everything became nothing, until it was finally at an end.




"Will this story have a happy ending?"


"Yes ... for you at least." :elan: :nale:

TDG
2013-04-01, 03:42 PM
Nah.

It's not Roy. Think about it. After all, who was it that blew up Dorukan's Gate? Who was it who, along with his "evil" twin, distracted the Order long enough with some ridiculous sideplot that they failed to recognize until too late the threat to Azure City? Who gave the demoralizing speech to the Azurite army, no doubt the deciding factor in the conflict? Who led Tarquin and Nale right to Girard's Gate? Who has been constantly sabotaging the Order with his supposed "incompetence"?

That's right: Elan. He's been playing us all from the very beginning. He's been out to destroy the Gates all along. What, his long-lost twin just "happens" to show up when they're in Dorukan's dungeon? And just "happens" to show up again at Tarquin's castle? Open your eyes - it's a two-man con, and the two twins are playing us all for chumps.

Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.

It's a complicated, circuitous, multi-generational scheme - and who do we know likes complicated, circuitous plans? Elan and Nale's blonde mother, of course. She's the brains behind it all - a devious, inscrutable mind.

Tarquin left her because she was too goody-two-shoes? Nonsense. Tarquin left her because he was afraid. He might be a rampaging bloodthirsty warlord, but one hazy half-glimpse into the diabolic horrors of the abyss of her mind and he ran as fast he could, to the Western Continent, across the ocean, as far as he could go, pausing only to rescue at least one child from her clutches. But it was too late.

For Nale had inherited that same eldritch vein, that ancient blood, calling out for the unmaking of reality - and blood will out. The hopeless screams of dead gods were echoing across his brain from when he was in his mother's womb. From the moment he was born, he knew, and Elan knew, that it would be their fate to render this world asunder. The Twins who would tear apart the threads of reality and revel in the infinite pain of all creation as everything became nothing, until it was finally at an end.




"Will this story have a happy ending?"


"Yes ... for you at least." :elan: :nale:



I cant believe it, but its so logical. You must be right.

By the Gods, how could I have been so blind? They're one and the same - the goddess, Lirian, the mother - Different roles by the same actor. She's been playing us for fools the whole time, blond braided hair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html) and all...

This puppet mistress goes by many names and, unless she is stopped, she will be the one pulling the strings in World 3.0... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html)

Zmeoaice
2013-04-01, 03:53 PM
Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.


Then how would she be so old and kep her youth? We know that elves can mate with humans. Maybe Elan and Nale have removed their pointy ear.

Ellye
2013-04-01, 04:04 PM
Nah.

It's not Roy. Think about it. After all, who was it that blew up Dorukan's Gate? Who was it who, along with his "evil" twin, distracted the Order long enough with some ridiculous sideplot that they failed to recognize until too late the threat to Azure City? Who gave the demoralizing speech to the Azurite army, no doubt the deciding factor in the conflict? Who led Tarquin and Nale right to Girard's Gate? Who has been constantly sabotaging the Order with his supposed "incompetence"?

That's right: Elan. He's been playing us all from the very beginning. He's been out to destroy the Gates all along. What, his long-lost twin just "happens" to show up when they're in Dorukan's dungeon? And just "happens" to show up again at Tarquin's castle? Open your eyes - it's a two-man con, and the two twins are playing us all for chumps.

Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.

It's a complicated, circuitous, multi-generational scheme - and who do we know likes complicated, circuitous plans? Elan and Nale's blonde mother, of course. She's the brains behind it all - a devious, inscrutable mind.

Tarquin left her because she was too goody-two-shoes? Nonsense. Tarquin left her because he was afraid. He might be a rampaging bloodthirsty warlord, but one hazy half-glimpse into the diabolic horrors of the abyss of her mind and he ran as fast he could, to the Western Continent, across the ocean, as far as he could go, pausing only to rescue at least one child from her clutches. But it was too late.

For Nale had inherited that same eldritch vein, that ancient blood, calling out for the unmaking of reality - and blood will out. The hopeless screams of dead gods were echoing across his brain from when he was in his mother's womb. From the moment he was born, he knew, and Elan knew, that it would be their fate to render this world asunder. The Twins who would tear apart the threads of reality and revel in the infinite pain of all creation as everything became nothing, until it was finally at an end.




"Will this story have a happy ending?"


"Yes ... for you at least." :elan: :nale:

You... you are good. :smalleek:

137beth
2013-04-01, 06:14 PM
Don't be ridiculous. In Germanic/Norse mythology (which the northern pantheon is based on), gods were mortal, and were all ultimately fated to die. It is only in Greek/Roman mythos that the gods could not be killed. Obviously, it is the eastern gods who are the real villains, UNLESS...
Actually, I don't know off the top of my head if the Babylonian gods (which the western pantheon is based on) could be killed, so it might be them as well.

JackRackham
2013-04-01, 07:45 PM
Actually, I don't know off the top of my head if the Babylonian gods (which the western pantheon is based on) could be killed....
Only by a Gilgamesh.

Byzantine2
2013-04-02, 01:21 AM
Nah.

It's not Roy. Think about it. After all, who was it that blew up Dorukan's Gate? Who was it who, along with his "evil" twin, distracted the Order long enough with some ridiculous sideplot that they failed to recognize until too late the threat to Azure City? Who gave the demoralizing speech to the Azurite army, no doubt the deciding factor in the conflict? Who led Tarquin and Nale right to Girard's Gate? Who has been constantly sabotaging the Order with his supposed "incompetence"?

That's right: Elan. He's been playing us all from the very beginning. He's been out to destroy the Gates all along. What, his long-lost twin just "happens" to show up when they're in Dorukan's dungeon? And just "happens" to show up again at Tarquin's castle? Open your eyes - it's a two-man con, and the two twins are playing us all for chumps.

Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.

It's a complicated, circuitous, multi-generational scheme - and who do we know likes complicated, circuitous plans? Elan and Nale's blonde mother, of course. She's the brains behind it all - a devious, inscrutable mind.

Tarquin left her because she was too goody-two-shoes? Nonsense. Tarquin left her because he was afraid. He might be a rampaging bloodthirsty warlord, but one hazy half-glimpse into the diabolic horrors of the abyss of her mind and he ran as fast he could, to the Western Continent, across the ocean, as far as he could go, pausing only to rescue at least one child from her clutches. But it was too late.

For Nale had inherited that same eldritch vein, that ancient blood, calling out for the unmaking of reality - and blood will out. The hopeless screams of dead gods were echoing across his brain from when he was in his mother's womb. From the moment he was born, he knew, and Elan knew, that it would be their fate to render this world asunder. The Twins who would tear apart the threads of reality and revel in the infinite pain of all creation as everything became nothing, until it was finally at an end.




"Will this story have a happy ending?"


"Yes ... for you at least." :elan: :nale:



It seems you have stumbled onto the real reason The Giant won't make character sheets. it would reveal that Elan is actually the smartest member of the party and is manipulating them all with his supposed incompetence into dooming them all! Impressive.

The happy ending isn't because his evil plan works though, it is because his evil plan works AND the OOTS never catch on, allowing him to continue using them, and the IFCC in his many plots to follow that will culminate in universal domination!

ZarDaranth
2013-04-03, 08:46 AM
Clearly, the most heinous villian in the OOTS-verse is....

Mr. Scruffy. Let's face it, this housecat is clearly a massive force of evil in the universe. He corrupted Shojo, the leader of the largest bastion of Good on the mortal plane, and made Shojo act like Scruffzmodan (Mr. Scruffy's true name, Arch Demonlord Scruffzmodan, Terror of the Abyss, Defiler of Litterboxes) was an innocent housecat. Scruffzmodan was well pleased by sitting close to the Snarl's influence for so long.

And through Shojo, the clearly prophetic Miko was corrupted as well. Miko clearly saw Belkar as evil through the future actions of Belkar guided by Scruffzmodan. No, Belkar was just a mere fool, the Twelve Gods foresaw the evil of Scruffzmodan, and Miko had to do whatever it took to stop him. And in the end, when Miko shattered the Sapphire Gate instead of snuffing Scruffzmodan, he was well pleased, as it was his will to destroy Azure City.

Afterwards, Scruffzmodan was pleased to live in an evil city, despite the fact that the goblins weren't truly as evil as he. It wasn't until he found Belkar that he could have another innocuous postion: Ranger's pet. Scruffzmodan could clearly influence Belkar into being a more adept evil bastard (which explains the character development for the Belkster) while maintaining his role as an "innocent kitty".

And think about when Yukyuk shot Scruffzmodan. Yukyuk, as an opposite for Belkar, clearly must have been Lawful Good to combat Belkar's Chaotic Evil. At the sight of the horrifically evil Scruffzmodan, Yukyuk's demon hunting training kicked in, forcing him to shoot the demon in cold blood. If it wasn't for Belkar being impacted by Scruffzmodan to the point of healing his demonic master (clearly it wasn't wisdom this time that forced Belkar to heal someone. It was demonic servitude and forced loyalty). And when Scruffzmodan went with Belkar and Durkon to the planes to hunt down V? It was to make sure that Yukyuk got punished for attempting to stop Scruffzmodan's reign of unholy terror.

Gift Jeraff
2013-04-03, 09:45 AM
Nah.

It's not Roy. Think about it. After all, who was it that blew up Dorukan's Gate? Who was it who, along with his "evil" twin, distracted the Order long enough with some ridiculous sideplot that they failed to recognize until too late the threat to Azure City? Who gave the demoralizing speech to the Azurite army, no doubt the deciding factor in the conflict? Who led Tarquin and Nale right to Girard's Gate? Who has been constantly sabotaging the Order with his supposed "incompetence"?

That's right: Elan. He's been playing us all from the very beginning. He's been out to destroy the Gates all along. What, his long-lost twin just "happens" to show up when they're in Dorukan's dungeon? And just "happens" to show up again at Tarquin's castle? Open your eyes - it's a two-man con, and the two twins are playing us all for chumps.

Lirian? A blonde, fair-skinned woman? Obviously their blood relative. Supposedly, she's an elf, but that's a ridiculous story, since we know all elves are androgynous and asexual, so clearly, Lirian is just a human woman with putty on her ears.

It's a complicated, circuitous, multi-generational scheme - and who do we know likes complicated, circuitous plans? Elan and Nale's blonde mother, of course. She's the brains behind it all - a devious, inscrutable mind.

Tarquin left her because she was too goody-two-shoes? Nonsense. Tarquin left her because he was afraid. He might be a rampaging bloodthirsty warlord, but one hazy half-glimpse into the diabolic horrors of the abyss of her mind and he ran as fast he could, to the Western Continent, across the ocean, as far as he could go, pausing only to rescue at least one child from her clutches. But it was too late.

For Nale had inherited that same eldritch vein, that ancient blood, calling out for the unmaking of reality - and blood will out. The hopeless screams of dead gods were echoing across his brain from when he was in his mother's womb. From the moment he was born, he knew, and Elan knew, that it would be their fate to render this world asunder. The Twins who would tear apart the threads of reality and revel in the infinite pain of all creation as everything became nothing, until it was finally at an end.




"Will this story have a happy ending?"


"Yes ... for you at least." :elan: :nale:



This is disturbingly believable, especially when you take into account whatever the Giant was hinting at here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12242039&postcount=45).