The Unnoticed? PRC Entry Rogue Level 4

[CyberThread]

So I googled this, I searched this.


I did everything I could to make sure I was not just being wierd, and even looked up threads on early entry PRC's and seems no one made a mention of it.


DragonMarked Book Silver Key PRC


It was like it was never mentioned or has faded into the archives.

The Entry Needs


Race: Dwarf.
Skills: Disable Device 4 ranks, Hide 4 ranks,
Knowledge (architecture and engineering) 4 ranks, Open
Lock 4 ranks.
Feats: Dodge.
Special: Must be a member of House Kundarak.
Special: Trap sense +1.


That Is pretty friggin low, and if you are just taking rogue until level 5 for whatever prc you are looking for, you can afford a two level dip then.


Lets you cast abjuration spells in light armor, if for some reason you hav such spells, a +1 insight bonus on disable device, search and spellcraft.

A set of lockpicks which are impossible to detect or remove from you body that give you +2 craft trapmaking , and a +2 circumstance bonus on disable device, and open lock checks plus a search check to find traps.

then as if not good enough give you a +2 competence bonus on open lock and disable device checks which stack with the the other bonus.

Just for giggles if you already have trapfinding ability, they give you +2 bonus on disable device, search , and spellcraft when it comes to traps, and use your spellcraft skill to identify magic traps and wards within a certain range as if using detect magic or read magic.


Just to finish off the obscenity of this all,you cap off this just TWO level dip with d6 die and a full 6 skill points, oh and almost forgot. You suddenly get mind powers, so you can manipulate a set of lockpicks from up to 60 feet away, and do all the normal skill checks against a lock door or trap.

So not only did you get a huge boost to your trap skills, but you can now do it over 60 feet away as if your the friggen bomb squad and do it with relative safety.

[TaiLiu]

No, it is noticed. It is not a very good class, however, which is why it is usually ignored.

[Urpriest]

Kind of a cute dip, though +2 to some rarely-used skills is probably not worth it. Still, it's early PrC entry, which tends to be nice if you're trying to get in to another PrC that has base save requirements. Doesn't boost Fort, so it won't help you get in to Ur-Priest, but maybe something else...

[CyberThread]

really? I would have thought all that was well worth giving up 1d6 attack, although if it was worth giving up uncanny dodge, that is debatable.


has strong will and ref, but no fort.


would be a strong lead in for trap smith

[TuggyNE]

The level of "BORKENS!!1!" in this PrC is kinda low, frankly; it's probably about as good as Rogue, and it has a few nifty stunts, but there's nothing earthshattering about this. You basically get a bit better at being a (possibly magical) covert entry specialist. That's … that's it.

[TaiLiu]

Also, if you're planning to enter with Rogue early, you'll need a way to get that Knowledge skill requirement. You can do so with a feat like Education, but then you're spending two feats for a short dip into the class.

[Curmudgeon]

Also, if you're planning to enter with Rogue early, you'll need a way to get that Knowledge skill requirement. You can do so with a feat like Education, but then you're spending two feats for a short dip into the class.
The usual payback for a Rogue with Education is via Knowledge Devotion, so you can maximize all 6 Knowledges related to creature types and get bonuses to attack and damage everything in D&D. So that's yet another feat, yes, but it's one that's already going to be part of any "skilled combatant" Rogue build. This just means the Rogue/Silver Key will have two focuses (combat and stealthy entry), but won't be nearly as good at other things typical to Rogues.

[TaiLiu]

The usual payback for a Rogue with Education is via Knowledge Devotion, so you can maximize all 6 Knowledges related to creature types and get bonuses to attack and damage everything in D&D. So that's yet another feat, yes, but it's one that's already going to be part of any "skilled combatant" Rogue build. This just means the Rogue/Silver Key will have two focuses (combat and stealthy entry), but won't be nearly as good at other things typical to Rogues.
Ah, yes, Knowledge Devotion.

Still, the Knowledge ranks needed to fulfil this class' requirement does not correlate with the six Knowledges related to creature types.

[CyberThread]

If i remember right, don't desert dwarfs get it as a racial skill?

And can't you cross skill it anyways to be 4 by level 3?

[Curmudgeon]

And can't you cross skill it anyways to be 4 by level 3?

Your maximum rank in a class skill is your character level + 3.

Your maximum rank in a cross-class skill is one-half of this number (do not round up or down).
(3 + 3)/2 = 3, not 4. You would need to have 5 cross-class levels before you could enter Silver Key.

[Akto]

Some nice skill bonus's, but i can't help but think why anyone would want entry into this prestigeclass, when rogue 3 have the option of dropping trapsense for the delliciousness that is Penetrating Strike and at rogue 7, there ar e better prestige class's

[nedz]

Rogue 1 / X 1 gets you in, where X is some class which contains the missing skill.
The PrC might fit some character concept though none spring immediately to mind.

[Cog]

Rogue 1 / X 1 gets you in, where X is some class which contains the missing skill.
The PrC might fit some character concept though none spring immediately to mind.

Only if X gets you trap sense at level one, which I don't think is true of any base classes.

[thethird]

That is like saying that a glimmerskin halfling rogue 1 / spellthief 1 can enter thief of life at level 3. Cool early entry, but not really greatly useful.

[Callin]

First I have seen either of those classes

Using the Generic Warrior Class (honestly any Generic Class I just prefer Warrior since its full BaB) you can get into Thief of Life at lvl 2. If you use flaws you could get into Silver Key at lvl 2. That makes them not bad options to me. :smallbiggrin:

[CyberThread]

Hmm, if you allowed it to I don't know make pick pocket checks, or other such thieving duties? Would that be much of a power boost? In a wierd way, it is basically telekenisis at will.

[chronomatophobe]

Gotta say, it's far from the strangest thing in Dragonmarked. That title belongs to the 'Mark of the Dauntless' feat, which would--with a two feat investment--allows casters to abuse Celerity and Born of the Three Thunders (To a lesser extent, Psychic Enervation) to an egregious degree. It's probably the easiest way to get around the drawbacks.

[nedz]

Only if X gets you trap sense at level one, which I don't think is true of any base classes.

X = Ranger 1 with the Trap Expert ACF. Replace Track with Trap finding ?

I'm sure that there are other options.

[Greenish]

X = Ranger 1 with the Trap Expert ACF. Replace Track with Trap finding ?

I'm sure that there are other options.You need Trap Sense (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/barbarian.htm#trapSense).

[CyberThread]

okay so I think we found that, this is not powerful but it is neat, in a non powerful way.


Am thinking Rog 3/1 duskblade or wizard/silver 2 / trap smith 5 / Use heighten spell on haste to qualify for swift blade 10 / whatever is left


So not a power monger but maybe... tier 3ish ((if you took build into account of normal class strengths))


Once the mess is done you end up with a .. magical rogue, and less a wizard gone rogue.