Half-Fiends/Celestials. Why just the two templates?

[gurgleflep]

Why aren't there more variants to the half-fiend and half-celestial? I feel there ought to be more. There are so many fiends and celestial beings that they could have expanded upon it quite a bit.

Are there any templates I've overlooked or something? A homebrew, perhaps?

[123456789blaaa]

There an excellent article on the wizards website called (Half)-Fiendish Variety (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060630a). It makes the half-fiend template a lot more customizable and could easily be adapted to half-celestials as well.

There's also a template called half-farspawn which is basically half-fiend with a more far-realmy flavor.

[hamishspence]

While not templates, various planetouched expand the range somewhat.

Cambions (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) are like "3/4 fiends"- with the base being human.

Unholy Scions (in this case it is a template: Heroes of Horror) are like half-fiends- but with the evil dialed up, but the fiendish appearance dialed down- they look virtually indistinguishable from normal beings.

[gurgleflep]

There an excellent article on the wizards website called (Half)-Fiendish Variety (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060630a). It makes the half-fiend template a lot more customizable and could easily be adapted to half-celestials as well.

There's also a template called half-farspawn which is basically half-fiend with a more far-realmy flavor.

Thank you for the link :smallsmile: I'm diggin' your avatar.
Where would I be able to find this half-farspawn?


While not templates, various planetouched expand the range somewhat.

Cambions (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) are like "3/4 fiends"- with the base being human.

Unholy Scions (in this case it is a template: Heroes of Horror) are like half-fiends- but with the evil dialed up, but the fiendish appearance dialed down- they look virtually indistinguishable from normal beings.

Planetouched would be like the Aasimar right?
From what you've just said about the Unholy Scions, they could be used as spies for whole-blooded fiends. This interests me...
Thank you :smallsmile:

[hamishspence]

Where would I be able to find this half-farspawn?

In the Lords of Madness book.

Notable fiend planetouched besides the basic tiefling and aasimar- Fey'ri (fiend-blooded elves) and tanar'ruk (fiend-blooded orcs). Dragon Magazine has a few others- as well as some celestial planetouched.

Planar Handbook has gnome celestial planetouched (other half was celestial badger).

[GoatBoy]

Pathfinder has a whole set of variant heritages for Aasimar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-aasimar) and Tieflings (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling). Keep in mind that base races were buffed in Pathfinder, so these are probably LA +1 in 3.5.

I'm rather glad that Wizards didn't spend too much time on rules for a template with an inconveniently high level adjustment for PC.

[123456789blaaa]

There's actually a planetouched handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=6992.0)over on BG. I believe it lists all the planetouched races.

[gurgleflep]

In the Lords of Madness book.

Notable fiend planetouched besides the basic tiefling and aasimar- Fey'ri (fiend-blooded elves) and tanar'ruk (fiend-blooded orcs). Dragon Magazine has a few others- as well as some celestial planetouched.

Planar Handbook has gnome celestial planetouched (other half was celestial badger).

Thanks, I'll look through the book now :smallsmile:

Hey, I know of the tanar'ruk! The half that isn't orc is Vrock I believe.
Draegloth's another, Drow/Glabrezu right?
I really need to get some Dragon Magazines.
How the gnome and celestial badger did that, I don't want to know :smalleek:

[gurgleflep]

Pathfinder has a whole set of variant heritages for Aasimar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-aasimar) and Tieflings (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling). Keep in mind that base races were buffed in Pathfinder, so these are probably LA +1 in 3.5.

I'm rather glad that Wizards didn't spend too much time on rules for a template with an inconveniently high level adjustment for PC.

I'll keep the LA thing in mind. Thanks for linking :smallsmile:

They go a bit overboard with a lot of their LAs, so I reduce them as needed.


There's actually a planetouched handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=6992.0)over on BG. I believe it lists all the planetouched races.

Thank you yet again :smallbiggrin: Also, I like your avatar.

[123456789blaaa]

I'll keep the LA thing in mind. Thanks for linking :smallsmile:

They go a bit overboard with a lot of their LAs, so I reduce them as needed.



Thank you yet again :smallbiggrin: Also, I like your avatar.

No problem and thank you :smallsmile:.

[Vertharrad]

What about the fiendish and celstial +2 LA templates from the MM1?

[gurgleflep]

What about the fiendish and celstial +2 LA templates from the MM1?

Aren't those the same as the half-fiend and half-celestial? If not, I fear I've skipped over them on numerous occasions when flipping through the book.

[GoatBoy]

Aren't those the same as the half-fiend and half-celestial? If not, I fear I've skipped over them on numerous occasions when flipping through the book.

No sir, half-fiends/celestials are creatures who are the product of an outsider mating with a mortal, while fiendish/celestial creatures are normal creatures who happen to live on the respective lower/upper plane.

[gurgleflep]

No sir, half-fiends/celestials are creatures who are the product of an outsider mating with a mortal, while fiendish/celestial creatures are normal creatures who happen to live on the respective lower/upper plane.

Ah, okay. Thank you for the clarification :smallbiggrin:
I'm gonna look them both up now.

[the_david]

I believe there are axiomatic and anarchic templates too. And a half-elemental template.

As for planetouched...
Fey'ri (elf-demons?)
Genasi (human-elementals)

And some non-canon from Dragon.

Pathfinder did some really nice things with customizable Aasimar and Tieflings.

[gurgleflep]

I believe there are axiomatic and anarchic templates too. And a half-elemental template.

As for planetouched...
Fey'ri (elf-demons?)
Genasi (human-elementals)

And some non-canon from Dragon.

Pathfinder did some really nice things with customizable Aasimar and Tieflings.

I've heard of the half-elemental, but not the axiomatic or anarchic templates.

I REALLY need to get my hands on some Dragon Magazines!

[Thurbane]

There's the half devil/half duergar Durzagon (MM2 p.124).

[gurgleflep]

There's the half devil/half duergar Durzagon (MM2 p.124).

I wasn't aware that was a half-breed, I never had time to read through it, so I just assumed it was a sub-species of some sort :smallredface:
Thank you informing me of this :smallsmile: