Tracking Belkar's Body Count

[Fishnet]

Since Belkar revels in murder, but sucks at tracking, I figured I'd do the grunt work for him and post a spreadsheet of showing all his "on-panel" kills. Which strip, how many, and whom. Enjoy and quibble away!

Also, sorry about the formatting. Not sure how to get the spacing right on this site.

Comic# Body Count Who
11 1 Goblin Cleric
21 1 Trigak the Chimera
42 1 Goblin Ninja
63 1 Yikyik
107 2 Goblin, Goblin Cleric
115 1 Goblin
124 1 Mouse
133 3 Kuurk the anemic, Lokor the chronically insecure, Hak-Tonog the mildly incontinent
176 1 Green Hag/Annis
219 1 Ogre
261 1 Azure City Guard
433 1 Ghoul
435 4 Prisoner, 3 Hobgoblins
439 30(?) All Hobgoblins
445 1 Hobgoblin Cleric
450 6 All Hobgoblins
455 13 12 Hobgoblins, 1 Hobgoblin Cleric
476 1 Vulture
515 3 Wights
520 1 Wight
521 1 Wight (Isamu)
538 1 Hobgoblin
539 1 Solt Lorkyurg the humble gnome spice peddlar
567 1 the Oracle
611 9 Greysky Thieves
612 3 Greysky Thieves
685 4 Bugheads (including Buggy Lou)
692 1 Scorpion
781 1 Empire of Blood Guard
868 1 Hell Hound

Total Body Count ≈ 67 (and counting...)

P.S. Funny, but Vaarsuvius beats his count easily, even without the Familicide spell.

[137beth]

Nice. What about the kills in the books?

[Tiiba]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of people on this board who are incredibly bored?

[King of Nowhere]

he killed many more. those are only the in-panel kills. the mound of corpses he made in the battle of azure city was several dozens at least, and that's not counting those he fried with the fireballs.
So, that's not a reliable track of how many bodies he left in his wake.

[Dr.Epic]

Total Body Count ≈ 67 (and counting...)

MY GOD! Or my Kami! Or King Kai. One of them.

Anyway, MAN THAT IS LOW! What's worse is Belkar only has daggers - SMALL daggers - so all those foes probably had low HD/HP. Both the quality and quantity are low. That's it, Belkar's the Yamcha of OotS.:smallwink:

[Gift Jeraff]

obligatory joke about belkar only having 1 body

[Savannah]

Also, sorry about the formatting. Not sure how to get the spacing right on this site.

{table=head]Comic|Body count|Who
11 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0011.html) | 1 | Goblin cleric
21 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0021.html) | 1 | Trigak
... | ... | ...[/table]

results in

{table=head]Comic|Body count|Who
11 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0011.html) | 1 | Goblin cleric
21 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0021.html) | 1 | Trigak
... | ... | ...[/table]

[CrispyCriminal]

Don't get how killing 1 prisoner in a series of 4(?) panels in 435 counts as much when it's really 1 person he's killed. It's like smashing a mirror of yourself and counting each piece of the mirror as the amount of times you killed yourself (not even accounting recurring appearances to the 'corpse').

[Fshy94]

Don't get how killing 1 prisoner in a series of 4(?) panels in 435 counts as much when it's really 1 person he's killed. It's like smashing a mirror of yourself and counting each piece of the mirror as the amount of times you killed yourself (not even accounting recurring appearances to the 'corpse').

You're misinterpreting because the formatting isn't very helpful, what he's trying to say is 4 total kills, the Prisoner + 3 hobgoblins, as opposed to 4 Prisoner kills.

[Olinser]

Since Belkar revels in murder, but sucks at tracking, I figured I'd do the grunt work for him and post a spreadsheet of showing all his "on-panel" kills. Which strip, how many, and whom. Enjoy and quibble away!

Also, sorry about the formatting. Not sure how to get the spacing right on this site.

Comic# Body Count Who
11 1 Goblin Cleric
21 1 Trigak the Chimera
42 1 Goblin Ninja
63 1 Yikyik
107 2 Goblin, Goblin Cleric
115 1 Goblin
124 1 Mouse
133 3 Kuurk the anemic, Lokor the chronically insecure, Hak-Tonog the mildly incontinent
176 1 Green Hag/Annis
219 1 Ogre
261 1 Azure City Guard
433 1 Ghoul
435 4 Prisoner, 3 Hobgoblins
439 30(?) All Hobgoblins
445 1 Hobgoblin Cleric
450 6 All Hobgoblins
455 13 12 Hobgoblins, 1 Hobgoblin Cleric
476 1 Vulture
515 3 Wights
520 1 Wight
521 1 Wight (Isamu)
538 1 Hobgoblin
539 1 Solt Lorkyurg the humble gnome spice peddlar
567 1 the Oracle
611 9 Greysky Thieves
612 3 Greysky Thieves
685 4 Bugheads (including Buggy Lou)
692 1 Scorpion
781 1 Empire of Blood Guard
868 1 Hell Hound

Total Body Count ≈ 67 (and counting...)

P.S. Funny, but Vaarsuvius beats his count easily, even without the Familicide spell.

You're WAY off on 435. I count at least 60 different heads visible - and that's just on the side we can see. To stack bodies like that you're realistically looking at over 100-150.

[Dr.Epic]

You're WAY off on 435. I count at least 60 different heads visible - and that's just on the side we can see. To stack bodies like that you're realistically looking at over 100-150.

A bunch of one HD hobgoblins? Oh yeah, at his level that's real impressive!

[TaiLiu]

A bunch of one HD hobgoblins? Oh yeah, at his level that's real impressive!
Why would display matter? Olinser seems more concerned with accuracy.

[Olinser]

A bunch of one HD hobgoblins? Oh yeah, at his level that's real impressive!

Seriously dude, tone down the sarcasm and condescension.

He has a body count thread, and has a wrong number. I provided a closer number (though still probably low, given that we can't see the full stack.)

Not once in this thread has anybody mentioned HD.

[Tiiba]

Why would display matter? Olinser seems more concerned with accuracy.

HD means Hell-Damned.

[Sir_Leorik]

Since Belkar revels in murder, but sucks at tracking, I figured I'd do the grunt work for him and post a spreadsheet of showing all his "on-panel" kills. Which strip, how many, and whom. Enjoy and quibble away!

Also, sorry about the formatting. Not sure how to get the spacing right on this site.
(SNIP)

Total Body Count ≈ 67 (and counting...)


More like 67 and undercounting. You obviously haven't included the bonus material in the books (or the Kickstarter Comic or Snips, Snails and Dragontales) but it seems like you're missing a large number. In strip one alone, Belkar kills at least one Goblin (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html).

Plus, ugh, that formatting is horrible!

[Sir_Leorik]

Here's a revised list of Belkar's kills:


{table=head]Comic|Body Count|Unlucky Stiff
1 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html)|1|Goblin
21 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0021.html)|1|Trigak
42 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0042.html)|1|Goblin Ninja
63 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0063.html)|1|Yikyik
107 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0107.html)|2|Goblin, Goblin Cleric
111 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0111.html)|1|Goblin
115 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0115.html)|2|Ogre Zombie, Goblin POW
124 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0124.html)|1|Poor little mouse!
133 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0133.html)|3|Kuurk the Anemic! ("I'm feeling a little woozy here..."); Lokor the Chronically Insecure! ("You'll probably beat me. Sigh."); and Hak-Tonag the Moderately Incontinent! ("Can you excuse me for one moment?")
176 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0176.html)|1|Hag (Green? Annis? Heh...annis!)
219 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0219.html)|1|Ogre
261 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0261.html)|1|Azure City Palace Guard
433 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0433.html)|1|GOOSE! er, I mean Ghoul
435 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0435.html)|4|Azurite Brigand, 3 Hobgoblins (with an assist from gravity)
439 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0439.html)|60|Lottsa Hobgoblins
445 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0445.html)|1|Maudlin Hobgoblin Cleric
450 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0450.html)|4|Hobgoblins
455 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0455.html)|12|Hobgoblin Archers
475 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html)|1|Vulture
515 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0515.html)|3|Black Squadron Wights
520 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0520.html)|1|Black Squadron Wight
521 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0521.html)|1|Isamu the Wight
538 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0538.html)|1|Hobgoblin Supervisor
539 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0539.html)|1|Solt Lorkyurg, Gnome Peddler
565 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0565.html)|1|Butterscotch Pudding Golem (note absence of arrows in corpse)
567 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0567.html)|1|The Oracle of the Sunken Valley
611 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0611.html)|10|Chuck amd nine unnamed members of the Greysky City Thieves' Guild
612 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0612.html)|4|Unnamed members of the Greysky City Thieves' Guild
622 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0622.html)|2 |Jenny's dignity and self-respect
685 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0685.html)|4|Buggy Lou and three unnamed Thri-Kreen Hive Warriors
692 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0692.html)|1|Small Monstrous Scorpion
781 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0781.html)|1|Empire of Blood Arena Guard
784 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0784.html)|6|"Caused Death" of Empire of Blood Arena Guards after releasing the Allosaurus from its pen with Ian's help
868 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0868.html)|1|Hellhound (banished to lower planes after being reduced to zero hp)[/table]


Based on this, Belkar's body count comes up to 135, 137 if we're taking into account the brutal murder of Jenny's dignity and self-esteem, 129 if you don't want to include the Arena Guards the Allosaurus killed (131 if we're excluding the Arena Guards the Allosaurus killed, but are including Jenny's dignity and self-esteem). 135 is a pretty decent count; Belkar's an accomplished warrior, but he's not quite the engine of destruction the Deva made him out to be. Of course these numbers only include Belkar killing someone "on-panel" in the webcomic. They don't count off-panel killings, including Goblins from the Dungeon of Dorukan, Hobgoblins from the Battle for Azure City, Wights killed while Belkar was a member of the Azure City Resistance, civilians Belkar killed before becoming an adventurer or anything from the prequel book, bonus strips, or Snips, Snails and Dragontales.

More to come.

[Belkar<3]

He also killed 15 people in a bar. That was actually his only reason for joining OOTS.

[Belkar<3]

A bunch of one HD hobgoblins? Oh yeah, at his level that's real impressive!

All right. You try fighting 100 hobgoblins with your ?-level character. (plus a goblin cleric) and making huge mounds out of corpses. Go ahead, now.

[Sir_Leorik]

He also killed 15 people in a bar. That was actually his only reason for joining OOTS.

Anyone killed by Belkar in the prequel book, bonus strips in the collected editions, Belkar's Kickstarter Comic and Snips, Snails and Dragontales should get a separate count. Only Dragon Magazine strips and bonus strips and the 3.5 v. 4E crossover from that book count. (i.e. none of the Stick Tales).

[Olinser]

He also killed 15 people in a bar. That was actually his only reason for joining OOTS.

I believe the OP specifically stated 'on-panel' kills.

So this should be limited to him killing them on-panel, or like a couple panels, he comes up behind them, and the next panel is him walking away from his corpse (or is already standing over their bodies when we see him).

[Sir_Leorik]

I believe the OP specifically stated 'on-panel' kills.

So this should be limited to him killing them on-panel, or like a couple panels, he comes up behind them, and the next panel is him walking away from his corpse (or is already standing over their bodies when we see him).

In some strips, particularly in the first three dozen or so, it is unclear who is killing a goblin, whether its Roy, Belkar or Durkon. Where there is leeway to give the kill to Belkar, I give it to him. Where its clearly Roy or Durkon, I don't. Before Book 3 Elan does not really contribute in combat beyond his bard song, and Haley's kills are easily identified by arrow shafts.

I agree that we shouldn't include off=panel deaths, unless we see Belkar's handiwork later on. For example, Belkar wearing Yikyik's head.

How do you think Yokyok's death should be counted? Belkar didn't kill Yukyuk, but he did "cause the death" of Yokyok by posting a note on the door of a bar...

[Sir_Leorik]

A bunch of one HD hobgoblins? Oh yeah, at his level that's real impressive!

We're not counting the hit dice of Belkar's victims, we're tallying his total body count. And its easier to kill lots of 1 hit die enemies...

[rodneyAnonymous]

Not once in this thread has anybody mentioned HD.

Nor impressiveness.

[Fishnet]

I believe the OP specifically stated 'on-panel' kills.

So this should be limited to him killing them on-panel, or like a couple panels, he comes up behind them, and the next panel is him walking away from his corpse (or is already standing over their bodies when we see him).

Yeah, my original (ignorantly formatted) count only included kills that left no room for debate about whether or not Belkar did it. So for instance we have no idea if he actually killed any of the Goblins in the first comic. I also didn't count any kills beyond the web-comic itself -- I figured I'd leave that to the rest of you. Boy have you stepped up :)

No lie, I only posted it because I had 15 minutes to kill at work and was happy that the site was back up.

[Sir_Leorik]

Yeah, my original (ignorantly formatted) count only included kills that left no room for debate about whether or not Belkar did it. So for instance we have no idea if he actually killed any of the Goblins in the first comic. I also didn't count any kills beyond the web-comic itself -- I figured I'd leave that to the rest of you. Boy have you stepped up :)

No lie, I only posted it because I had 15 minutes to kill at work and was happy that the site was back up.

Does expert testimony count? If so, then we can definitely count the following:

The fifteen people Belkar murdered in a bar brawl, including some rowdy adventurers and a number of barmaids. True he hadn't been convicted yet, and this all occurred off-panel, but the prison guard was acting like there were plenty of witnesses who identified a halfling in a greyscale cloak wielding a pair of daggers committed the murders.

In the first panel of the comic it seems clear to me that Roy has killed two Goblins with his greatsword, Haley has killed one with arrows, V has put one to sleep and a third one has been killed by either Belkar or Durkon. I'm assigning the kill to Belkar, but the artwork is ambiguous enough to say that Durkon could have killed it.

[Sir_Leorik]

I believe the OP specifically stated 'on-panel' kills.

So this should be limited to him killing them on-panel, or like a couple panels, he comes up behind them, and the next panel is him walking away from his corpse (or is already standing over their bodies when we see him).

True, but in the case in question Belkar had been arrested and several patrons at the inn identified him as the perpetrator. Unfortunately he was never brought to trial due to the tragic destruction of Library Stadium during the Iron Mage tryouts, so he's only alleged to have killed those poor drunken fools. And the barmaids. Not all the barmaids, but a lot of them.

[Rogar Demonblud]

And a guard during his 'brazen escape'.

And he offered to kill anyone Roy wanted as a team tryout.

[Sir_Leorik]

And he offered to kill anyone Roy wanted as a team tryout.

That doesn't count! We are not counting people Belkar threatened to kill on this list! :smallfurious: There are too many!

[Rogar Demonblud]

Point. But it really does show how desperate Roy was that even after that, he still hired the homicidal buffoon.

[Sir_Leorik]

Point. But it really does show how desperate Roy was that even after that, he still hired the homicidal buffoon.

That's only because he needed a skilled tracker! The Oracle gave vague directions to the Dungeon of Dorukan, and Roy's plan was to try tracking some of the Goblins back to the Castle. A sound plan, but we all know what happened, right? :smallamused:

Besides, Roy didn't know about the guard, did he? :smallwink:

[Rogar Demonblud]

I meant the offer of random murder, but yes.

[Olinser]

That's only because he needed a skilled tracker! The Oracle gave vague directions to the Dungeon of Dorukan, and Roy's plan was to try tracking some of the Goblins back to the Castle. A sound plan, but we all know what happened, right? :smallamused:

Besides, Roy didn't know about the guard, did he? :smallwink:

Exactly WE know that Belkar was worse - but simply from Roy's viewpoint, Haley was much worse. All Belkar did was cut in line, make the monk cry (which was HILARIOUS by the way), and be over-aggressive about making the team.

Haley, on the other hand, outright lied to him and forged a document right in front of him.

[Sir_Leorik]

Haley, on the other hand, outright lied to him and forged a document right in front of him.

:roy: "What are talking about? I think I would remember that happening."