Help Please on Gestalt Saves

[Dracofist]

I have been working on this Gestalt character for some time
however i am not sure how adding up saves works from
one level to the next when multiple classes are in affect.

This is my build.

Class Key
FTR - Fighter (PHB pg.37)
BRB - Lion Totem Barbarian (PHB pg.25 Complete Champion pg.46)
CLR - Cleric (PHB pg.30)
Bon - Bone Knight (Five Nations pg.117)
Thr - Thrall of Kostchtchie (dragon Mag 345 pg.28)
WSL - Witch Slayer (Tome of Magic pg.67)
SUR - Survivor (Savage Species pg.


F/ R/ W / F/ R/ w
lvl1 HD:d10 1FTR/1CLR +2/+0/+0 / +2/+0/+2
lvl2 HD:d12 1BRB/2CLR +2/+0/+0 / +3/+0/+3
lvl3 HD:d10 2FTR/3CLR +3/+0/+0 / +3/+1/+3
lvl4 HD:d10 3FTR/1Bon +3/+1/+1 / +2/+0/+0
lvl5 HD:d10 4FTR/2Bon +4/+1/+1 / +3/+0/+0
lvl6 HD:d10 5FTR/3Bon +4/+1/+1 / +3/+1/+1
lvl7 HD:d10 6FTR/4Bon +5/+2/+2 / +4/+1/+1
lvl8 HD:d10 7FTR/5Bon +5/+2/+2 / +4/+1/+1
lvl9 HD:d10 8FTR/6Bon +6/+2/+2 / +5/+2/+2
lvl10 HD:d12 1Thr/7Bon +2/+0/+0 / +5/+2/+2
lvl11 HD:d12 2Thr/8Bon +3/+0/+0 / +6/+2/+2
lvl12 HD:d12 3Thr/9Bon +3/+1/+1 / +6/+3/+3
lvl13 HD:d12 4Thr/10Bon +4/+1/+1 / +7/+3/+3
lvl14 HD:d12 5Thr/1WSL +4/+1/+1 / +2/+0/+2
lvl15 HD:d12 6Thr/2WSL +5/+2/+2 / +3/+0/+3
lvl16 HD:d12 7Thr/1SUR +5/+2/+2 / +2/+2/+2
lvl17 HD:d12 8Thr/2SUR +6/+2/+2 / +3/+3/+3
lvl18 HD:d12 9Thr/3SUR +6/+3/+3 / +3/+3/+3
lvl19 HD:d12 10Thr/4SUR +7/+3/+3 / +4/+4/+4
lvl20 HD:d10 9FTR/5SUR +6/+3/+3 / +4/+4/+4

If some one could help me figure out what my saves per
level would be and tell me how it is done so i can do it
myself in the future it would be much appreciated.

[TuggyNE]

Basically, at each level you figure out the highest amount you're adding to each save, and use that.

Assuming fractional saves:
{table=head]Level|HD|Class A//Class B|F/R/W A|F/R/W B|F/R/W delta|F/R/W
1 |d10|1FTR/1CLR |+2/+0/+0|+2/+0/+2|+2.5/+0.33/+2.5|+2/+0/+2
2 |d12|1BRB/2CLR |+2/+0/+0|+3/+0/+3|+2.5/+0.33/+0.5|+5/+0/+3
3 |d10|2FTR/3CLR |+3/+0/+0|+3/+1/+3|+0.5/+0.33/+0.5|+5/+1/+3
4 |d10|3FTR/1Bon |+3/+1/+1|+2/+0/+0|+2.5/+0.33/+0.33|+8/+1/+3
5 |d10|4FTR/2Bon |+4/+1/+1|+3/+0/+0|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+8/+1/+3
6 |d10|5FTR/3Bon |+4/+1/+1|+3/+1/+1|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+9/+2/+4
7 |d10|6FTR/4Bon |+5/+2/+2|+4/+1/+1|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+9/+2/+4
8 |d10|7FTR/5Bon |+5/+2/+2|+4/+1/+1|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+10/+2/+4
9 |d10|8FTR/6Bon |+6/+2/+2|+5/+2/+2|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+10/+3/+5
10|d12|1Thr/7Bon |+2/+0/+0|+5/+2/+2|+2.5/+0.33/+0.33|+13/+3/+5
11|d12|2Thr/8Bon |+3/+0/+0|+6/+2/+2|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+13/+3/+5
12|d12|3Thr/9Bon |+3/+1/+1|+6/+3/+3|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+14/+4/+6
13|d12|4Thr/10Bon|+4/+1/+1|+7/+3/+3|+0.5/+0.33/+0.33|+14/+4/+6
14|d12|5Thr/1WSL |+4/+1/+1|+2/+0/+2|+2.5/+0.33/+2.5|+17/+4/+9
15|d12|6Thr/2WSL |+5/+2/+2|+3/+0/+3|+0.5/+0.33/+0.5|+17/+5/+9
16|d12|7Thr/1SUR |+5/+2/+2|+2/+2/+2|+2.5/+2.5/+2.5|+20/+7/+12
17|d12|8Thr/2SUR |+6/+2/+2|+3/+3/+3|+0.5/+0.5/+0.5|+20/+8/+12
18|d12|9Thr/3SUR |+6/+3/+3|+3/+3/+3|+0.5/+0.5/+0.5|+21/+9/+13
19|d12|10Thr/4SUR|+7/+3/+3|+4/+4/+4|+0.5/+0.5/+0.5|+21/+9/+13
20|d10|9FTR/5SUR |+6/+3/+3|+4/+4/+4|+0.5/+0.5/+0.5|+22/+10/+14[/table]

And I super do not want to take the time to figure that out without fractional. Keeping track of whether a given class level gives +0 or +1 or +2 is quite annoying.

(In case you're curious: yes, all those +2s stack. Kind of nuts, but there it is.)

[Dracofist]

Nice! Thanks a ton even looking at it still confuses me how it works.

Also darn T_T. Sadface, seems my fort is higher than my lvl so I will
not qualify for survivor........ I wonder what I should replace it with maybe more lvls of cleric.

[herrhauptmann]

For starters, you usually can't take 2 prestige classes at once.

What level are you looking at for start?

Also, ditch level 9 fighter. You'd gain more from any other full bab class.

edit:
I'll run this up to level 15
{table=head]lvl|Class A| F|R|W|CLass B|F|R|W
1 | 1 ftr | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 Cleric | 2 | 0 | 2
2 | 1 barb | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 Cleric | 3 | 0 | 3
3 | 2 ftr | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 Cleric | 3 | 1 | 3
4 | 3 ftr | 3 | 1 | 1 | Bone 1 | 2 | 0 | 0
5 | 4 ftr | 4 | 1 | 1 | Bone 2 | 3 | 0 | 0
6 | 5 ftr | 4 | 1 | 1 | Bone 3 | 3 | 1 | 1
7 | 6 ftr | 5 | 2 | 2 | Bone 4 | 4 | 1 | 1
8 | 7 ftr | 5 | 2 | 2 | Bone 5 | 4 | 1 | 1
9 | 8 ftr | 6 | 2 | 2 | Bone 6 | 5 | 2 | 2
10 | 1 Thrall | 2 | 0 | 0 | Bone 7 | 5 | 2 | 2
11 | 2 Thrall | 3 | 0 | 0 | Bone 8 | 6 | 2 | 2
12 | 3 Thrall | 3 | 1 | 1 | Bone 9 | 6 | 3 | 3
13 | 4 Thrall | 4 | 1 | 1 | Bone 10 | 7 | 3 | 3
14 | 5 Thrall | 4 | 1 | 1 | WS 1 | 2 | 0 | 2
15 | 6 Thrall | 5 | 2 | 2 | WS 2 | 3 | 0 | 3
[/table]
Looks daunting, but:

At level 10, I break it down like this:
{table=head]Class A| F|R|W|CLass B|F|R|W
Barb 1|2|0|0|X|X|X|X
Ftr 8 |6|2|2|Cleric3|3|1|3
Thrall1|2|0|0|Bone7|5|2|2
[/table]
Left: 10/2/2. Right 8/3/5. Total of 10/3/5.

At level 15, you do something similar and get this:
On the left side you've got Fort 13/Ref4/Will4. On the right side you've got 13/4/9. Total of 13/4/9.

There's a problem with using gestalt and NOT using fractional saves. A lot of people read it incorrectly (intentionally or not, I dunno) and believe they can get a Wizard20// Ftr1/Sorc19 who has a 20 bab. Because his left side gets a bab boost on even levels, and right side gets a boost on odd levels. They do the same with saves, but it's easier to explain with BAB.

[TuggyNE]

Also darn T_T. Sadface, seems my fort is higher than my lvl so I will not qualify for survivor........ I wonder what I should replace it with maybe more lvls of cleric.

That's what you get for taking so many high-Fort PrCs! :smalltongue: Cleric should be fine, I'd think.