Wizard to fighter feat variant

[drakonic]

Question about using two class variants in combination.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm

At the bottom of the page there is a variant that allows you to change the wizard's bonus feats to that of the fighter. Also, there is a fighter class variant that allows you to change bonus feats to sneak attack. If I use these two variants together do I get sneak attack instead of a wizard's bonus feats?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Amnestic]

RAW, I believe that it's not possible since it's a Fighter ACF, not a Wizard one.

I wouldn't say it's a terribly unreasonable houserule to give Wizards the option for Sneak Attack +1d6 per bonus feat though.

[Flickerdart]

You can't apply Fighter ACFs to Wizards, and for a good reason - there are a handful of casting PrCs that require Sneak Attack and are balanced with multiclassed entry in mind. If this option were available, you'd be able to enter as a pure wizard, and be significantly ahead of the curve with an extra casting level.

[drakonic]

You can't apply Fighter ACFs to Wizards, and for a good reason - there are a handful of casting PrCs that require Sneak Attack and are balanced with multiclassed entry in mind. If this option were available, you'd be able to enter as a pure wizard, and be significantly ahead of the curve with an extra casting level.

Doing that was exactly what I had in mind :smallbiggrin:

Oh we'll....

[HunterOfJello]

A wizard can only make use of wizard alternate class features (ACFs).

A fighter can only make use of fighter ACFs.


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The common method of wizards to gain Sneak Attack dice quickly and without too much trouble is by taking a level in Unseen Seer from Complete Mage. It requires quite a few ranks in Hide, Spot, and Search, but it is the easiest method of gaining sneak attack without breaking the wizard's spell progression.

[drakonic]

Yeah unfortunately that way makes me take one level in rogue for an equivalent sneak attack class. Which makes me lose one caster level progression. And I like to be greedy :smallamused:, so I was trying to think of a way into getting 2d6 sneak attack without losing any caster levels..

[Bakeru]

Yeah unfortunately that way makes me take one level in rogue for an equivalent sneak attack class. Which makes me lose one caster level progression.Unseen Seer has full casting progression. You need four levels in it to get +2d6 sneak attack, though.

[Flickerdart]

Unseen Seer has full casting progression. You need four levels in it to get +2d6 sneak attack, though.
Unseen Seer doesn't grant you precision dice if you don't already have a source.

[Bakeru]

Unseen Seer doesn't grant you precision dice if you don't already have a source.Aaahh, ok, missed that.

Still, better than getting the damage from rogue alone.

[herrhauptmann]

Yeah unfortunately that way makes me take one level in rogue for an equivalent sneak attack class. Which makes me lose one caster level progression. And I like to be greedy :smallamused:, so I was trying to think of a way into getting 2d6 sneak attack without losing any caster levels..

One caster level isn't going to gimp your character.

[drakonic]

One caster level isn't going to gimp your character.

It won't exactly gimp my character, but it wouldn't be nearly as powerful as it could have been.

[thethird]

I always value one level in spellthief and the master spellthief feat.

[Amnestic]

Couldn't you spend two feats on getting that Shadow Hand Stance which grants you 2d6 Sneak Attack? Or does that not work the way I think it does? >.>

[Flickerdart]

Couldn't you spend two feats on getting that Shadow Hand Stance which grants you 2d6 Sneak Attack? Or does that not work the way I think it does? >.>
As a 3rd level stance, you need IL5 to learn it, meaning that you would have to be a 10th level character (thus, the earliest you could get it is with the level 12 feat). Not exactly useful for qualifying for stuff.

[thethird]

If you go straight wizard (or you take a wizard level in which you get a fighter bonus feat) at 10th level you could get it at 10th level.

[Spuddles]

Doing that was exactly what I had in mind :smallbiggrin:

Oh we'll....

Use your fightr fearts to take martial study assassin's stance.

[Spuddles]

Unseen Seer doesn't grant you precision dice if you don't already have a source.

There's a spell for that.

[herrhauptmann]

It won't exactly gimp my character, but it wouldn't be nearly as powerful as it could have been.

Considering that "could have been" seems to include a 3 level dip into rogue/ninja/scout, one caster level is not gimping.

Honestly?
Just go straight wizard. Build well, and it won't matter that you can't chain your ACFs.
Or do something like StP Erudite, which I think might be a Tier 0 or Tier .5

[Big Fau]

Unseen Seer doesn't grant you precision dice if you don't already have a source.

Martial Stance makes that easy. Well, not quite trivial, but you can get it using the afore-mentioned Wizard variant (multiclassing into Master Specialist for 4 levels to delay the acquisition of the 5th level Wizard bonus feat, thus allowing you to take Martial Stance for the Assassin's Stance).

[Flickerdart]

Martial Stance makes that easy. Well, not quite trivial, but you can get it using the afore-mentioned Wizard variant (multiclassing into Master Specialist for 4 levels to delay the acquisition of the 5th level Wizard bonus feat, thus allowing you to take Martial Stance for the Assassin's Stance).
10 levels of Wizard mixed with other full spell progression classes is a really bad chassis for turning around and going Unseen Seer in your last 10 levels.

[drakonic]

Considering that "could have been" seems to include a 3 level dip into rogue/ninja/scout, one caster level is not gimping.

Honestly?
Just go straight wizard. Build well, and it won't matter that you can't chain your ACFs.
Or do something like StP Erudite, which I think might be a Tier 0 or Tier .5

Err "could have been" would mean 5 levels in wizard and getting 2d6 sneak attack. Now it will be a wizard/rogue/unseen seer multiclass and still lose 1 caster level. It isn't bad but it might have been better...

[Maginomicon]

Take the Generic Spellcaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm) and its own Sneak Attack ACF. It's no wizard, but then you're a full caster with sneak attack no-problem.

I do this in my Full-Contact Mage (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FullContactMagic) build to magnificent effect.

[Flickerdart]

Take the Generic Spellcaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm) and its own Sneak Attack ACF. It's no wizard, but then you're a full caster with sneak attack no-problem.

I do this in my Full-Contact Mage (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FullContactMagic) build to magnificent effect.
The Generic classes are absolutely not suitable for any game that does not use only them and no others.

[Maginomicon]

The Generic classes are absolutely not suitable for any game that does not use only them and no others.

Care to explain why? Seems like a completely viable class option for any game, especially if you're bringing in someone new to D&D 3.5 as a whole. If you just want them in with as little hassle as possible from learning the rules, why burden them with fluff-heavy standard classes with class features the person won't remember much less use?

@OP Take Arcane Spellcaster (INT-based) and never look back.