Summon Ice beast

[Invader]

What's the easiest way to get the summon Ice beast spell (all levels) on the wizards spell list?

[Osiris]

What book is this from, Frostburn or whatever you call it?
Try making a homebrew frost giant domain and using Arcane Disciple and having high wisdom
once again what book is this from?

[Invader]

What book is this from, Frostburn or whatever you call it?
Try making a homebrew frost giant domain and using Arcane Disciple and having high wisdom
once again what book is this from?

If I wanted to use homebrew I'd just I say I can cast it now and be done with it :smallamused:

Yup it's from Frostburn.
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[ArcturusV]

Yeah, that's the problem. Since it's Cleric/Druid/Ranger only, and not a Domain spell of any sort, I can't think of a way to do it.

[Jeff the Green]

Extra Spell will do it, according to a sane reading of the spell, but not WotC's customer service.

There's a dragon-themed class that can get non-class spells on your list which I can't remember, along with recaster (RoE).

You can duplicate them with miracle, which is available from the luck domain.

[AmberVael]

You could get them through using Rainbow Servant, though that's a somewhat extreme measure.

Frost Mage from Frostburn, of course, can get you some of those spells, though not at all.

[ben-zayb]

Extra Spell will do it, according to a sane reading of the spell, but not WotC's customer service.

There's a dragon-themed class that can get non-class spells on your list which I can't remember, along with recaster (RoE).

You can duplicate them with miracle, which is available from the luck domain.

I caution against the "sane" part. It is an arguable point that have supporters on both sides. And this is 3.5, so insanity isn't really an excuse for being not RAI or RAW. :smallbiggrin:

On topic, Wyrm Wizard is the PrC you are referring to. It can learn a couple of spells from ANY list, and is unarguably RAW and RAI legal.

EDIT: and a slight correction... The spell is Conjure Ice Beast, and is then a Creation and not Summoning.
Master Specialist Conjurers gets spell knowledge to learn any conjuration spells, but I think it was errata'd to only be from the wizard spell list.

[Invader]

You could get them through using Rainbow Servant, though thats a somewhat extreme measure.

Frost Mage from Frostburn, of course, can get you some of those spells, though versatility at all.

Frost mage is the most ideal choice as I'll be taking that PrC anyway but I figured if I could get them at the regular wizard progression for a feat or some other equally easy untaxed way I'd give it a shot.

[Jeff the Green]

I caution against the "sane" part. It is an arguable point that have supporters on both sides. And this is 3.5, so insanity isn't really an excuse for being not RAI or RAW. :smallbiggrin:

Except there's this passage:


For classes such as wizard that have more options for learning spells, Extra Spell is generally used to learn a specific spell that the character lacks access to and would be unable to research.

There is no spell on the wizard list that a wizard doesn't have access to because he can always choose it on level up.


You could get them through using Rainbow Servant, though that's a somewhat extreme measure.

Not all that extreme. Yeah, it's better on a warmage, and it's far better than straight wizard, but it's not an enormous power boost. If you go with table trumping text, it's even a nerf from straight wizard.

[Invader]

I'd assume my DM would give me access to the whole line of spells with extra spell but I'd ha e to check. I'd say those are the 2 winners, thanks guys and gals ; )

[AmberVael]

Not all that extreme. Yeah, it's better on a warmage, and it's far better than straight wizard, but it's not an enormous power boost. If you go with table trumping text, it's even a nerf from straight wizard.

It's extreme in the sense that you're taking 10 levels to get a handful of spells.
It's extreme because you're opening up an entire spell list for a few things.
It's extreme because you may well be paying 4 caster levels if you follow the table rather than the text.

I never said it was extreme because of power (though it kinda is on some classes). :smalltongue:

[ben-zayb]

Except there's this passage:
Exempt FROM what? Note that I have no firm stand on the matter. I've heard enough from both parties to say that they present good arguments as to which interpretation is RAW.

There is no spell on the wizard list that a wizard doesn't have access to because he can always choose it on level up.
~banned school...silly but raw, yes.

Not all that extreme. Yeah, it's better on a warmage, and it's far better than straight wizard, but it's not an enormous power boost. If you go with table trumping text, it's even a nerf from straight wizard.
[color="darkgreen"]If you think being able to cast spontaneously from a choice of hundreds of spell isn't extreme, then sure. That reasoning also suggests that MoMF isn't really that strong since it gimps druid casting despite improving a wild shape ranger immensely. Having said that, I still think that the text unarguably RAW trumps table.


yeah i guess i am supposed to write something out of quotes.

[Jeff the Green]

It's extreme in the sense that you're taking 10 levels to get a handful of spells.
It's extreme because you're opening up an entire spell list for a few things.
It's extreme because you may well be paying 4 caster levels if you follow the table rather than the text.

I never said it was extreme because of power (though it kinda is on some classes). :smalltongue:

Ah, I misunderstood.


If you think being able to cast spontaneously from a choice of hundreds of spell isn't extreme, then sure. That reasoning also suggests that MoMF isn't really that strong since it gimps druid casting despite improving a wild shape ranger immensely. Having said that, I still think that the text unarguably RAW trumps table.
No, I agree that being able to spontaneously cast all cleric spells is extreme (excepting certain parties, of course). But on a wizard or especially a sorcerer, it's not.