how much STR to punch a wall

[CyberThread]

how much STR do you need to punch THROUGH a brick wall?

[ericgrau]

A lot: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/dungeons.htm#walls

Based on the pattern a thinner wall might be around DC 30, which is still ludicrous. You'd need a 30 strength just to break it on a roll of 20. You are allowed unlimited retries though. For DC 35, you need a 40 strength to do the same.

I know some other systems facilitate this, but in D&D you're usually better off using an adamantine weapon. Also note that wall spells are far thinner and more breakable. A typical wall of stone is DC 24. A lot lower but you're still better off smashing it with 46 damage from a couple slashes, or 30 from an adamantine weapon.

[Rubik]

how much STR do you need to punch THROUGH a brick wall?At least 1 if you have, say, the Mountain Hammer maneuver.

[Emperor Ing]

Well if you have an Adamantium Gauntlet and make attacks with it against said wall you're technically "punching" through the wall. Might need multiple whacks to get through its HP though, but it'd work.

[Rubik]

AdamantiumI'm pretty sure that doesn't exist in D&D.

[DeltaEmil]

There's adamantine, however.

[Sylthia]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist in D&D.

Well, there are Wolverines in the MM, so maybe there is...http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/wolverine.htm

[Telonius]

Depending on your DM, shouting out, "Ohhh, Yeahhh!" might offer a circumstance bonus.

Otherwise, a one-foot-thick masonry wa (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm#hardness)ll is 90HP, hardness 8, with a Break DC of 35. You could break it with a Strength check of 35, or deal 98hp in a single strike (90 if you have an adamantine weapon).

Eagle Claw Attack (CWar) will let you add Wisdom to your unarmed strike against objects. (Technically doesn't require Monk levels). Destructive Rage (also CWar) gives you a +8 to Str to break an object while you're in a Rage or Frenzy.

[Cirrylius]

Eagle Claw Attack (CWar) will let you add Wisdom to your unarmed strike against objects.
Why is it called Eagle Claw Attack? Are eagles particulary well known for wholesale property damage?

[Kuulvheysoon]

Depending on your DM, shouting out, "Ohhh, Yeahhh!" might offer a circumstance bonus.

I definitely would.

[Ace Nex]

Adamatite, Godsteel (Dwarven Blackrock), Destruction Devotion Feat, Destructive Rage Feat, and mountain hammer maneuvers can all get the job done easily.

[Regitnui]

How much STR is needed to punch a wall? The question should rather be how little INT is needed?

[cerin616]

how much STR do you need to punch THROUGH a brick wall?
On a natural 20, you would need a +15 bonus or 40 str. There are a ton of class features that allow you to gain bonuses to that.

Mountain hammer manuvers (and actually some devoted spirit manuvers) allow you to ignore hardness and deal full damage to an object, and so you could technically punch through with unarmed attacks.

OR take 6 levels of fighter with the dungeong crasher alternate class feature. take feats and stuff for a bullrush build in combat, but the real nice thing here is a +10 to str checks to break items. now the DC you need to beat is 25, or a nat 20 with 20 str.

Add Destructive Rage for another +8, the DC you need to beat with str+roll is now 18.you can beat that with a roll of 13 and str 20, or technically you can beat that with a nat 20 and a str of 6.

[Sylthia]

Depending on your DM, shouting out, "Ohhh, Yeahhh!" might offer a circumstance bonus.

Otherwise, a one-foot-thick masonry wa (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm#hardness)ll is 90HP, hardness 8, with a Break DC of 35. You could break it with a Strength check of 35, or deal 98hp in a single strike (90 if you have an adamantine weapon).

Eagle Claw Attack (CWar) will let you add Wisdom to your unarmed strike against objects. (Technically doesn't require Monk levels). Destructive Rage (also CWar) gives you a +8 to Str to break an object while you're in a Rage or Frenzy.

In a campaign I was in a few years ago, there was a running gag that at least one of our encounters per session would involve something bursting through a wall like that.

[ericgrau]

I wonder if there's a way to get bonuses to all str checks, like there is with cha checks (circlet of persuasion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#circletofPersuasion)). That could let characters smash through dungeons without having a broken amount of strength.

[Fouredged Sword]

One foot thick is also very thick for masonry. Most masonry walls are maybe six inches thick, likely less. If you needed thicker, you built out of stone. That makes things much easier on the break DC.

[Rubik]

I wonder if there's a way to get bonuses to all str checks, like there is with cha checks (circlet of persuasion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#circletofPersuasion)). That could let characters smash through dungeons without having a broken amount of strength.There are soulmelds that will do it (mauling gauntlets, sphinx claws), three levels of factotum for Brain Over Brawn, and one level of marshal will do it too, if you have a high Charisma.

[ericgrau]

There are soulmelds that will do it (mauling gauntlets, sphinx claws), three levels of factotum for Brain Over Brawn, and one level of marshal will do it too, if you have a high Charisma.

I'm so tempted to do these on a half-dragon ogre now. Or, for the cheesier minded, there's a half-minotaur mineral warrior goliath.

I'd be a "rogue". As we pass through a dungeon I'd constantly be checking for "secret doors" in every wall. On every door I'd "open the lock". And I'd "find traps" by walking into them.

[Fouredged Sword]

Now I want to play a high int/cha factotum 3 / marshal 1 / Incarnate 1 / Dungeon crasher 6 who punches walls professorially.

Give him high ranks in knowledge engineering.

I suspect you could get a standing +25 to strength checks wouldn't be too hard. Then the character can take 10 o punch through walls.

Also, the listed HP is for a 10X10 area, and the sugestion is that the whole area is destroyed by the attack.

A 5x5 area logicly would have 1/4th the HP, or 23, easily breakable with a power attack VIA Adimantium maul or mountain hammer.

I wonder, can anyone build a pre-epic character able to best the break DC for a unworked stone 5ft thick? The DC is 65...

Str+Int+cha with unlimited point buy (max 18s) should put us around 29 after +6 items and +5 tomes to enhance them
Then we get dungeon crasher for +10
Rage gets us +2 from higher strength, then +8 for destuctive rage

So I end up tapping out at 49, taking 20 gives 69. If we pick up 10 more points we can do so without rage or by taking 10, with 20 extra we can remove barbarian and the limited rage uses and take 10. I leave it to you playground, take it away.

[Grommen]

Depending on your DM, shouting out, "Ohhh, Yeahhh!" might offer a circumstance bonus.

Clearly the only way to attempt this.

[KillingAScarab]

Depending on your DM, shouting out, "Ohhh, Yeahhh!" might offer a circumstance bonus.A fighter with the dungeoncrasher alternate class feature wearing red adamantine full-plate with a smiley face on the chest is definitely the way to go.

The more obscure reference would be to paint "Capcom" on the side the party is on, run around to the other side and punch a hole with your bare fist, then turn around to reveal "Fighting Street" on your back. It's also the less useful, since you need to be able to get around the wall already.

[Averis Vol]

I wonder if there's a way to get bonuses to all str checks, like there is with cha checks (circlet of persuasion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#circletofPersuasion)). That could let characters smash through dungeons without having a broken amount of strength.


Maybe a 1 level dip into Marshal for motivate strength for CHA to STR checks.

[Xan_Kriegor]

Anyone else think it's funny that if you magically treat a paper wall (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/dungeons.htm#walls) it suddenly has 51 HP and a break DC of 21?

[thethird]

Don't forget Physical Prowess (Ex): (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20061013a) Starting at 3rd level, a fighter gets a bonus to some aspect of his ability checks that makes him a better warrior. The fighter gains an additional bonus at 5th level and every two fighter levels thereafter (7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15th, 17th, and 19th). The bonus must be drawn from the following list.

Applied Force (Ex): A fighter can administer force to the weakest points of inanimate objects effectively, giving the character a +1 bonus on Strength checks to break or burst items (see page 165 of the Player's Handbook).

[smoke prism]

What about a pre-epic build that can punch throughout a foot of Adamantine ?

[Cirrylius]

I wonder if there's a way to get bonuses to all str checks, like there is with cha checks (circlet of persuasion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#circletofPersuasion)).

As someone who plays the Full Caster know-it-all, I would pay ALL THE MONEY for an item that did this for intelligence skills.