[3.5] Looking for PrC

[Thurbane]

Hey, looking for suggestions on a PrC.

I'm looking for something that advances spellcasting, and has full BAB, but that can be entered by a single classed Dragonfire Adept (to advance breath weapon and invocations).

As close to 10/10 casting progression as possible would be nice - the only one's I can currently think of (such as Dragonslayer) are 1/2 casting. Full BAB is a must for my purposes.

(And please, no "use UMD to activate a wand of Divine Power" suggestions thanks). :smallwink:

Cheers - T

[Stux]

Abjurant Champion maybe? Only 5 levels, but you have a pretty tall order there!

[graymachine]

Hey, looking for suggestions on a PrC.

I'm looking for something that advances spellcasting, and has full BAB, but that can be entered by a single classed Dragonfire Adept (to advance breath weapon and invocations).

As close to 10/10 casting progression as possible would be nice - the only one's I can currently think of (such as Dragonslayer) are 1/2 casting. Full BAB is a must for my purposes.

(And please, no "use UMD to activate a wand of Divine Power" suggestions thanks). :smallwink:

Cheers - T

Well, Eldritch Knight (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/eldritchKnight.htm) has full BAB and 9/10 caster level advancement, but I'm not sure that the Full BAB over say, 3/4, is worth a caster level; depends on what you are trying to do. You should be able to qualify by taking Martial Weapon Proficiency and reaching high enough level to cast 3rd level spells. What are you trying to accomplish with high BAB and high caster levels?

[Thurbane]

Basically, I want a DFA based gish, with at least 16 BAB by 20th level, and as much advancement of breath weapon and invocations as possible.

Unfortunately, both Abjurant Champion and Eldritch Knight require actual spellcasting, so a single classed DFA couldn't qualify (without extreme cheese using a FR feat).

[Stux]

Ah, right. Well casting progression without requiring casting of spells is incredibly thin on the ground as it is, without needing the BAB. I'm pretty sure there isn't a full caster that gives full BAB and doesn't require you to cast spells.

[graymachine]

Here's (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19870954/The_New_Dragonfire_Adept_Handbook!) a good Dragonfire Adept Handbook.

I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want, short of cheese or homebrew, at least doing it with a single class; would you be open to a second class? It seems to me that you are only left with the option of taking DFA all the way and looking for other methods of boosting your attack bonus.

[Darrin]

Hmmm... Knight Phantom (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050706a&page=4) might work (9/10), but getting in is probably going to involve a lot of cheese.

Wizard Focused Specialist 1 (Illusions) + Precocious Apprentice can get you two 2nd level spell slots. Alacritous Cogitation + Versatile Spellcaster lets you trade those in for a 3rd level spell, and Arcane Disciple: Spider Domain gives you phantom steed as a known spell. To get all those feats, you'll need flaws or Dark Chaos shenanigans up the wazoo.

You might be able to manage it without taking the wizard level... Magical Training (FRCS) + Precocious Apprentice gets you three 0-level sorcerer spells and one 2nd-level spell. Sanctum Spell + Earth Spell Trio can get that 2nd level up to 4th level, then take Extra Slot and Arcane Disciple: Spider Domain. That takes about 8 or 9 feats, though.

(Very stinky cheese, apparently.)

[Big Fau]

I'm not sure advancing DFA via PrCs is that good of an idea, since (according to the sidebar on page 24) you'll never get new Breath Effects. You miss out on Slow, 5BoT, DBoB, Sleep, and one or two others. That ability has a separate progression from Invocations and your actual breath weapon.

[Vaz]

Hey, looking for suggestions on a PrC.

I'm looking for something that advances spellcasting, and has full BAB, but that can be entered by a single classed Dragonfire Adept (to advance breath weapon and invocations).

As close to 10/10 casting progression as possible would be nice - the only one's I can currently think of (such as Dragonslayer) are 1/2 casting. Full BAB is a must for my purposes.

(And please, no "use UMD to activate a wand of Divine Power" suggestions thanks). :smallwink:

Cheers - T

I thought a DFA was 1/2 BAB, so you'd need to cut your DFA progression at 8th level to even have a chance of gaining a BAB of 16?

[Person_Man]

I can't think of any useful PrC. The best I can do is to say that a Sorcerer/PrC gish build with the Draconic Breath feat (and/or the right area of effect spells/magic items) should be able to duplicate everything a DFA/PrC could do. (Though he would obviously couldn't do it at-will like a DFA. But if you only have 4-5ish combats per game day, it doesn't matter).

[Shining Wrath]

Are you open to two 5 level PrC? The following have full BAB and 4/5 caster level:
Abjurant Champion
Cyran Avenger
Deadgrim

The following 10 level PrC give full BAB and 1/2 caster level
Dragonslayer (combines SO WELL fluff-wise with DA)
Platinum Knight
Scion of Tem-et-num
Warpriest

Drow Judicator gives full BAB and 1/3 caster level.

Holy Liberator has full BAB and its own spell progression, sort-of Paladin.

Topaz Guardian gives full BAB and 3/5 spell progression (5 level PrC)

Triadic Knight gives full BAB and 5/7 divine caster level (7 level PrC)

Another alternative is to spend a lot of wealth to get a permanent item granting full BAB - I'm having a grey moment on the spell name, but there is one - and then take a traditional caster PrC.

[Thurbane]

I'm not sure advancing DFA via PrCs is that good of an idea, since (according to the sidebar on page 24) you'll never get new Breath Effects. You miss out on Slow, 5BoT, DBoB, Sleep, and one or two others. That ability has a separate progression from Invocations and your actual breath weapon.
True, of course, but I'm happy to take the hit for my purpose.

Are you open to two 5 level PrC? The following have full BAB and 4/5 caster level:
Abjurant Champion
Cyran Avenger
Deadgrim

The following 10 level PrC give full BAB and 1/2 caster level
Dragonslayer (combines SO WELL fluff-wise with DA)
Platinum Knight
Scion of Tem-et-num
Warpriest

Drow Judicator gives full BAB and 1/3 caster level.

Holy Liberator has full BAB and its own spell progression, sort-of Paladin.

Topaz Guardian gives full BAB and 3/5 spell progression (5 level PrC)

Triadic Knight gives full BAB and 5/7 divine caster level (7 level PrC)

Another alternative is to spend a lot of wealth to get a permanent item granting full BAB - I'm having a grey moment on the spell name, but there is one - and then take a traditional caster PrC.
Excellent - exactly the type of things I'm looking for! :smallbiggrin:

[Waker]

Legacy Champion has 8/10 progression for your invocations and breath weapons, as well as 3/4 BAB. Now all you got to do is find a legacy weapon.

[Person_Man]

Legacy Champion has 8/10 progression for your invocations and breath weapons, as well as 3/4 BAB. Now all you got to do is find a legacy weapon.

If your DM is nice, some custom made legacy weapons aren't always terrible. There are specific rules for how to make them in the back of the book.

[Darrin]

Hmm. Would this work for you?

Dragonfire Adept 5/Warblade 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4

Feats: Magical Training, Precocious Apprentice, Versatile Spellcaster
BAB: +17
DFA "CL": 17

I'm also fiddling around with Dragonfire Adept 4/Something 8/Abjurant Champion 5/Dragonslayer 3.

Not entirely sure what "Something" is, but if it has medium BAB and 7/8 (or 9/10) CL, then you wind up with:

BAB: +16
DFA "CL": 18

[Vaz]

If doing Magical Training Heighten Versatile Southern Magician (if you don't grandfather in 3.0 rules, you need a divine dip) combo, take Geomancer. I *think* that Geomancer might work. medium BAB and 10/10 casting, along with several combat abilities (sadly no innate wings, needs Geomancer 9).