Archivist/Wizard/Theurge Build

[shendelzar]

I could use some advice for a build I'm working on.
I wanted a character with access to TONS of spells and huge versatility, but wanted him to be defensive as well.

I settled on this build:
Race : Illumian

Lvl1: Archivist1
feat: academic priest (to use int mod for bonus spells, cant remember the book)
sigil : krau

Lvl2: specialist wizard Conjurer with Abrupt Jaunt ACF for AWESOME defense and enhanced summoning ACF for augment summoning
ban:abjuration, enchantment

Lvl3: Archivist2 - to get the second sigil
feat : imp krau sigil
sigil: naen

Lvl4: Mystic Theurge1 (using the heighten spell trick from illumian imp krau to qualify)

Lvl5: Mystic Theurge2 (cast as lvl 4 archivist lvl 3 conjurer)

Lvl6 Mystic theurge3 (cast as lvl 5 archivist lvl 4 conjurer)
feat: spell focus conjuration

Lvl7 Mystic theurge4 (cast as lvl 6 archivist lvl 5 conjurer)

Lvl8 Mystic theurge5 (cast as lvl 7 archivist lvl 6 conj)
*take lesser planar ally as archivist spell

lvl 9 Thaumaturgist (advancing my mystic theurge casting class )
lvl10-13 Thaumaturgist (at lvl 13 i would have spells like a 12th lvl archivist and 11th lvl conjurer)
feats at 9 and 12 are open to suggestions

lvl14 i can go malconvoker to continue to advance both my casting classes, or back to Mystic Theurge ? the big issue is malconvoker would have a 1 level loss of casting advancement and i cant afford to do that a lot since i'd like to keep up with higher level spells. Is there another PrC that has full +1 existing caster level advancement?

**I found a spell (summon giant) on a certain classes spell list that is lvl 4 for them(lvl 8 for cleric) Does this mean I can theoretically find this spell on a divine scroll and learn it as a lvl 4 spell? If so that is AWESOME!!!!

So my design is to do a fair bit of summoning at the beginning of a battle, then control and blast my way to victory while my minions keep the baddies busy.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

[Vaz]

If you want Versatility;

Archivist 1/Wu Jen 1/Geomancer 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Prestige Paladin 1/Incantatrix 3/Archmage 1 gets you casting as a Wu Jen 18/Archivist 2, but the ability to use your Wu Jen spell slots for Archivist spells. You don't need Incantatrix unless you want to abuse Body Outside Body and Archmage's SLA granting you Miracle as an SLA (Body Outside Body Clones use their own XP for SLA's, and they're perfectly obedient to yourself). Required Feats; Mounted Combat, Versatile Spellcaster; if you are taking Incantatrix, then you also need Iron Will and a Metamagic Feat.

Archivist spells can get all Wizard and Sorcerer spells on their own thanks to the known Shenanigans (Gating in characters with Hexer Prestige Levels for example), and asking them to Scribe a Scroll (after Mindraping them and then using your Body Outside Body Clones to Psychic Reform their known spells for them.

This can then be learned as an Archivist. So, you get all Divine Spells (including all Sorcerer, All Wizard (through Hexer) and all Bard (Divine Bard ACF) spells); as well as the Wu Jen uniques. All of these can be used in Wu Jen spell slots thanks to the rules of Geomancer.

If you don't have Incantatrix, you don't have to ban a school (it would have to be Enchantment - the other usual choice, Evocation, is required to have Miracle as an SLA); this means that EVERY spell in the game is now yours to cast, unless there is any other caster with a unique spell of 8th level or higher that is not any of the following spell lists; (Divine, Sor, Wiz, Bard, or Wu Jen).

If you ban Enchantment, you can still use your horde of Body Outside Body clones to Miracle you up a 20th caster level Scroll of that spell - useful for Mindblank, etc.

While you don't on paper have the sheer spells per day as an Archivist/Wizard Theurge, you're still left with needing some way after Level 16 of dual advancement, or else you'll still be short of 9ths on one side.

[shendelzar]

I really like the conjurer ability to abrupt jaunt out of trouble. Does your build get anything quite like that?

Also, Archivist2/Conj1/MT10/thaumatugist5 should get me 9th lvl spells from archivist. adding malconvoker2 would get me 9th lvl spells from conjurer.

Another question I cant seem to find a straight official answer on: Does Illumian grant additional sigils for every class I multiclass into? meaning with my build would I end up with 5 sigils?

[shendelzar]

If you want Versatility;

Archivist 1/Wu Jen 1/Geomancer 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Prestige Paladin 1/Incantatrix 3/Archmage 1

What book do I find Prestige Paladin and Geomancer in?

[Namfuak]

What book do I find Prestige Paladin and Geomancer in?

Geomancer is complete arcane, Prestige Paladin is Unearthed Arcana or on the SRD.

[BowStreetRunner]

Another question I cant seem to find a straight official answer on: Does Illumian grant additional sigils for every class I multiclass into? meaning with my build would I end up with 5 sigils?

I can see where you got this impression, as RoD states "...a 1st-level illumian has a single brightly glowing power sigil that grants her certain bonuses..." and goes on to say that "...On attaining 2nd level in any class, an illumian gains a second different power sigil, and the bonus granted by each power sigil increases to +2."

However, it seems clear that you receive only two sigils at most. The '2nd level in any class' is poorly worded, but you clearly gain a 'second' power sigil and the bonus increases to +2. There is no reference to a third or fourth power sigil or the bonus increasing to +3 or +4.

However, if your DM is okay with an additional power sigil every time you attain 2nd level in a new class, then go for it.

[Vaz]

Yes.

Greater Celerity Time Stop, combined with Persisted Favour of the Martyr.

Also, your maths seems in error?
Archivist2/Conj1/MT10/thaumatugist5/malconvoker 2

At most, you've got Archivist 2+10+5+1 = Archivist 18 (or 17, if as you say, you're putting them into conjuration), and Conj is 2+10 = Conj 12, (or 13, if, as you say, you're putting them into Conjuror). No Conj 9ths, 5-6ths at most.

[Toliudar]

OP: The error in your build is that there's no such thing as 'Mystic Theurge' casting. Your levels in Thaumaturgist can advance one or the other of wizard or archivist, but not both.

It's still a very powerful and versatile build, though.

[shendelzar]

OP: The error in your build is that there's no such thing as 'Mystic Theurge' casting. Your levels in Thaumaturgist can advance one or the other of wizard or archivist, but not both.

It's still a very powerful and versatile build, though.

Can you direct me to a WoTC ruling on that? It really seems that with the wording of "+1 existing casting class" That i should be able to use MT as that existing class.

If that will not work, do you see any ways of increasing the efficiency of what I do have?

[Kristinn]

Can you direct me to a WoTC ruling on that? It really seems that with the wording of "+1 existing casting class" That i should be able to use MT as that existing class.

If that will not work, do you see any ways of increasing the efficiency of what I do have?

Sorry, this is clear cut RAW. Mystic Theurge is not a spellcasting class. A spellcasting class is a class with a class feature called quite simply "Spells". Mystic Theurge has no such class feature, just a class feature advancing a "Spells" class feature of two classes.

You can go Wizard 1 / Archivist 2 and enter MT with any early entry cheese you want, but at level 13, when you run out of MT levels, you are forced to go back to single advancing your spellcasting.

[shendelzar]

If you want Versatility;

Archivist 1/Wu Jen 1/Geomancer 10/Sacred Exorcist 1/Prestige Paladin 1/Incantatrix 3/Archmage 1 gets you casting as a Wu Jen 18/Archivist 2, but the ability to use your Wu Jen spell slots for Archivist spells. You don't need Incantatrix unless you want to abuse Body Outside Body and Archmage's SLA granting you Miracle as an SLA (Body Outside Body Clones use their own XP for SLA's, and they're perfectly obedient to yourself). Required Feats; Mounted Combat, Versatile Spellcaster; if you are taking Incantatrix, then you also need Iron Will and a Metamagic Feat.

Can you lay out this build for me? i looked up the Classes you have listed and I cant make sense of how you built this, What am i missing?
1> i dont think you can enter Gomancer until level 4 due to the requirment 6 ranks of skills
2>Can you take WuJen and Prestige Paladin? - one requires ALwful alignment, the other says any NONLawful
3>I dont see an ability to share spell slots as you mentioned with preparing Archivist spells in WuJen slots. how does that work?

[Vaz]

1) heh, forgot aboit the skill requirements. It was a modifications from my wu jen 4/archivist 3/geomancer 10/incantatrix 3 I ejtered for the IC which i have worked on since, forgot the skill requisite.

Q2) alignments can change mid play.

3) geomancer allows you to change spellcasting parameters. This is loosely defined, so to the dictionary we go, which states it is a limit. These parameters change at the time of casting. As there is nothing stopping you from preparing archivist spells, only casting them (wu jen specifies its own list), geomancer allows you at 10th level to change the parameter of casting from wu jen list to casting from the archivists list. Sorted.

[BowStreetRunner]

Bamboo Spirit Folk: Archivist 3/Wizard 3/Mystic Theurge 10/Arcane Heirophant 4 nets you casting equal to Archivist 17 / Wizard 17.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Take a Bloodline level (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm) after Archivist 1, as follows:
At Archivist 1, you're ECL 1, you need to gain 1,000 xp to gain a level. At 1,000 xp, you take a Bloodline level, which does not increase your ECL but does increase caster level, max skill ranks, etc. It does not count as a character level for determining when you gain feats, ability score points, etc.
At Archivist 1/ Bloodline 1, you're ECL 1, you need to gain 1,000 xp to gain a level. From this point on your current XP will be 1,000 above what you need to gain a given level. This Bloodline level only cost you 1,000 xp.

At Archivist 1/ Bloodline 1/ Wizard 1, you can meet the skill prerequisites for Mystic Theurge. You can qualify by taking Sanctum Spell at 1st level, and either retrain or dark chaos shuffle it later on.

Bamboo Spirit Folk Archivist 1/ Bloodline 1/ Wizard 1/ Mystic Theurge 8/ Arcane Heirophant 10 is ECL 20 with 19th level spellcasting in both classes at a caster level of 20.