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SaintRidley
2013-05-25, 08:44 AM
Its The End Of The Snark As We Know It And I Feel Fine

The Snark is dead! Long live the Snark!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s231/sithlord7/thisisusforever_zpse295d059.jpg

Well, everybody, this is it. The 50th thread on Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, and it will surely quite probably be a shambling corpse of a thread. But that's okay, because now that the comic has ended, it too is a shambling corpse (up until yesterday's update it was shambling, but technically not a corpse).

According to the Chronology, we've put in 2754 pages of work into this comic, which is almost as many as Mookie did (I shall leave it to you, the snarkers, to infer what you will from that). Just because the comic is over does not mean that we don't have more to say. We all have our final thoughts to put in, rehashing of old issues with the comic, and just plain community togetherness to engage in. It's been a great trip we've made together.

But just because Mookie is done with Dominic Deegan, that doesn't mean we're done with Mookie. Check out Star Power (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283700) for more of Mookie's writing. The art is easier on the eyes, but that's because Mookie isn't doing the art. Will he improve as a writer? Debatable (probably not). New ways to fail? Already underway - see the lorem ipsum.

With what is probably our last thread, I just want to paraphrase Walter Cronkite here as we bid farewell to Dominic Deegan. And that's the snark.

Snark Chronology (Snarkhronology)

Thread I (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26550) - Oct 31 2006 to Aug 9 2007 - 77 pages, the first half of which actually contained praise yet. Then Snowsong came about...
Thread II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53160) - Aug 8 2007 to Jun 10 2008 - the epic one, 301 pages, OVER NINE THOUSAAAND posts. Here the foundations of Domiology - our snarky fanon - were created.
Thread III (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82855) - 10 Jun 2008 to Aug 12 2008 - 63 pages of snarky goodness, first one to contain the archives in the first post.
Thread IV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87587) - Aug 12 2008 to Sept 20 2008 - 50 pages, the one that carried us through the first half of the horrid Vacation Arc and brought the first actual fans into our threads (of course, their resolve starts to falter by now :smalltongue:)
Thread V (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91533) - Sept 20 2008 to Oct 18 2008 - 50 pages, the Vacation Arc continues to our unimaginable horror.
Thread VI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94191) - Oct 18 2008 to Nov 11 2008 - 50 pages, the final part of the vacation. So much to be learnt about walls and limbs; knowledge that Mookie, unfortunately, shall never possess.
Thread VII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96181) - 10 Nov 2008 to Dec 1 2008 - 50 pages, finally the Plot Creature caught up - but what has Mookie done to Celesto and TIM?
Thread VIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98206) - Dec 1 2008 to Dec 23 2008 - 51 pages, wherein Dex rises from the dead and we are introduced to Sn'gl'euth'u, the cutest extradimensional Lovecraftian being since Hello Cthulhu.
Thread IX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100412) - Dec 23 2008 to Feb 20 2009 - 50 pages, which taught us that orcs not only have despicable traditions, they are also completely insane.
Thread X (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105160) - Feb 20 2009 to Apr 5 2009 - 50 pages, which taught us that orcs are not only completely insane, they are actually crazy enough to make Cthulhu roll Sanity checks!
Thread XI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108632) - Apr 5 2009 to May 1 2009 - 51 pages, in which the orcs are at their height of insanity (going one step beyond), Luna is the designated Messiah of Everything and that tusks make you speshul.
Thread XII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110535) - May 1 2009 to Jun 6 2009 - 50 pages, where the orcs, after reaching the height of insanity previously, find ways to fly to entirely new planes of mind-crushing madness, sufficient to warp their plain to the size of a backyard and time to freeze, as nothing interesting happens at all.
Thread XIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113899) - Jun 6 2009 to July 9 2009 - 50 pages, where the orcs continue to plumb the bottomless depths of inanity. Oh, and insanity too. Meanwhile, Luna discovers a new Sue power: inflicting the worst monologues ever on hapless readers. Also, Jacob is evil.
Thread XIV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117735) - July 9 2009 to Aug 6 2009 - 50 pages, where we are still occupied with Orcs. Orcs. Orcs, everywhere! Oh gods, is this arc not going to end ever?! I repent, Mookie! I repent! Just make it stop! Make it stooooop!
Thread XV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120700) - Aug 6 2009 to Sept 7 2009 - 50 pages, with Orcs, who do Orc things and KILL THEM, KILL ALL THE ORCS, EXTERMINATE THEM, SO THIS HORROR CAN END!
Thread XVI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124177) - Sept 7 2009 to Sept 26 2009 - 50 pages. Do I have to tell you what it was about at this point anymore? You have three guesses. And the first two don't count.
Thread XVII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126357) - Sept 26 2009 to Oct 20 2009 - 51 pages. The Orcs are still insane, and in this thread, they managed to temporarily infect us. Among the results are a debate about relativism and many pictures of various cute, funny, and weird animals. There also was a decapitation. It was metal.
Thread XVIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128950) - Oct 20 2009 to Nov 19 2009 - 50 pages, in which the March Through Maltak continues against logic, reason, good taste and sanity. Also including attempts at a non-lethal battle and awesome plot twists(Dominic fixes everything!)
Thread XIX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132191) - Nov 19 2009 to Dec 15 2009 - 50 pages. The Battle At the Bikta Sanctuary is trudging along, with consistency and logic being casualties.
Thread XX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135156) - Dec 15 2009 to Jan 14 2010 - 50 pages, where many lessons are learned: Never trust a bard, rain solves everything, and a stunning revelation by a necromancer so important it's the next thread title.
Thread XXI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138491) - Jan 14 2010 to Feb 25 2010 - 51 pages. Now that events have been set into motion that may affect the destiny of the entire world, we get to see Nimmel and his crazy college shenanigans!
Thread XXII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143382) - Feb 25 2010 to Mar 31 2010 - 51 pages, where Nimmel fully ascends into the First Caste, donning the Mantle of Sue that he might make us all immune to boobs.
Thread XXIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147387) - March 31 2010 to May 9 2010 - 50 pages. After Talking to one tentacled creature about another, Mamma Deegan returns home, and Greg starts a band.
Thread XXIV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151903) - May 9, 2010 to June 9, 2010 - 50 pages. Greg's band is so meh it's un-****ing believable.
Thread XXV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155528) - June 9, 2010 to July 22, 2010 - 51 pages. The strange ecology of the Wild Edge Territory, and the stranger behavior of the Callanians living there. If there's a keyword, it's "random". Also, inappropriate names for creatures.
Thread XXVI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161259) - July 22, 2010 to Sept. 6 2010 - 50 pages. Stunt's stunts in the Wild Edge show a stunting of character and such stunted emotional capacity that he probably suffers from stunt. Also, Celesto meditates naked.
Thread XXVII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167391) - Sept. 6, 2010 to Oct. 6, 2010 - 50 pages. The comic goes to hell. Again. Siegfried returns and shouts a lot.
Thread XXVIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170984) - Oct. 6, 2010 to Oct. 27, 2010 - 50 pages. Curly has exploded at the end of the War in Hell just like a soul. Now, on to a trial.
Thread XXVIIIS (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174904) - Nov. 6, 2010 to Nov. 7, 2010 - 1 page. Wherein a true fan who has made it as far as Storm of Souls, makes a thread.
Thread XXIX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173658) - Oct. 27 2010 to Dec. 2, 2010 - 50 pages. The "trial" is just a veiled excuse to have Bulgak grow wings on his head and look into goalposts that show him important events in his past.
Thread XXX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178126) - Dec. 2, 2010 to January 1, 2011 - 51 pages. Bulgak goes boom. Filler. Then nothing happens except Curly's marathon readthrough of Maltak.
Thread XXXI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181831) - Jan. 1, 2011 to January 21, 2011 - 50 pages. Dominic and Luna finally show up, and then we get an arc about plastic surgery.
Thread XXXII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184423) - Jan. 22, 2011 to Feb. 18, 2011 - 50 Pages. Luna is great. So great. Also: Snuggly joins the Loony Toons.
Thread XXXIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187872) - Feb. 19, 2011 to Mar. 24, 2011 - 50 pages. Snuggly is allergic to shellfish. Facebath returns to sing songs about how Luna is so great.
Thread XXXIV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192305) - Mar. 24, 2011 to April 19, 2011 - 50 pages. Snuggly kills an all-powerful archmage and no one is too concerned about it. Also, we met King DJ.
Thread XXXV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195911) - April 19, 2011 to May 23, 2011 - 50 pages. Dominic must find Celesto for no reason in particular. The Battlecasters are spying on all Second Sight, everywhere.
Thread XXXVI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200381) - May 24, 2011 to June 24, 2011 - 50 pages. Dominic visits his old friend Szark. Together, they uncover the dark secret of two teenagers who, brace yourself, are trapped in a vicious cycle of bullying. Holy moly! The world-destroying abomination is assumed to still be relevant, but not even Dominic knows why.
Thread XXXVII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204587) - June 24, 2011 to August 7, 2011 - 50 pages. Dominic strips naked and drives a small child insane while Szark prevents anyone from helping the kid.
Thread XXXVIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210535) - August 7, 2011 to September 14, 2011 - 51 pages. Dominic pulls out some old tricks and some new ones, we're all totally confused, and then we're smacked with a one-two punch of Smug and Great.
Thread XXXIX (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11850807) - September 15, 2011 to October 19, 2011 - 50 pages. Luna and Greg go to an art gallery, some stuff with battlecasters happens, somehow we manage to draw this out for fifty pages.
Thread XL (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219377) - October 19, 2011 to November 22, 2011 - 50 pages. The budding love between Gregory and some battlecaster whose name nobody cares about and the union between a toast and a lizard showed us that love conquers all. A guitar will do just as well, though.
Thread XLI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223565)- 22nd November, 2011 to December 22nd, 2011 - 50 pages. Some guy grows a moustache in the finest example of character development so far. Luna blubbers away because she loves Dominic -who deigns to tolerate her display- so much, showing how far the author thinks she's come as a character. Mookie and Luna get married, the latter against her will and a tiny explosion signals the end times.
Thread XLII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226586) - 22nd December 2011 to 6th February 2012 - 50 pages. The Infernomancer is back! The King's nefarious plan is going to fruition! This cannot stand, so the plot is thwarted by instead deciding to follow Jayden's quest of redemption for the sin of having cheated on her violent, emotion-crazed beastman of a boyfriend. Because it's totally what's important.
Thread XLIII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231676) - 6th February 2012 to 20th March 2012 - 50 pages. Still on the adventures of Stunt in the desert. Uh, what? Jayden who? Who said anything about Jayden?
Thread XLIV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236887) 20th March 2012 to 18th May 2012 - 51 pages. You'd think archmages, who are recognized as the most powerful mortal movers and shakers of the known universe, would be such pathetic combatants?
Thread XLV (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243701): 18th May 2012 to 24 July 2012 - 50 pages. 'Splosions, 'splosions everywhere, and Nimmel's in the air. 'Splosions, 'splosions everywhere, and only dead Bumper (and not of explosion either!).
Thread XLVI (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250533): July 24th 2012 to October 18th 2012 - 51 pages. Most notable here is how long it took us to fill 50 pages this time. That is mainly because during these months Mookie mainly filled his pages with white noise in white voids. Then there was a flashback revealing the king to be behind everything bad and trying to help his eyeballs eat most of the world so Callan could keep the magic star (because he is racist), Mookie jumped on the zombie bandwagon, Dominic surrendered himself to stop it, Celesto was a bird (again) and trust me, this wouldn't make more sense if it was explained in detail.
Thread XLVII (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258730): October 18th to January 28th 2013 - 51 pages. This thread took even longer to fill then the previous. The comic keeps setting up the grand final, but nothing really happens. The parade of former minor roles who return continues.
Thread XLVIII: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268935) January 23rd to April 2 2013 - 51 pages. Weeeee are sloooowly kiiiiilling off chaaaaaracteeeers. Meanwhile, Dominic is not-suffering from Mindbreak, and the King is outmatched by a thug and one swordsman. Grand finale, folks!
Thread XLIX: (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278590) April 2, 2013 to May 25, 2013 - 50 pages. Celesto Morgan escaped the comic. Plot points dangle in the wind, resolution nowhere to be found. How did Dominic and Luna have children? Who is this child? Is this related to the fact that in the second panel of the last strip Dominic is clearly a lady? As the comic wrapped up, we found ourselves with questions. Mookie found himself without answers, and so the comic ended on a Friday Cliffhanger.

And our sister threads:
Strip Slays, the best thread ever (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37014)
Strip Slays 2: the best thread strikes back (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91628)
Strip Slays 3 - Someone Is Going To Slay For This Outrage. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108763)
Strip Slays 4: A Slay On Words. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176043)
If the madness of this thread does not suffice to bring your SAN rating down, those will. For sure. :smallcool:
[DD Snark]Maltak: The Unsuckening (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168703) - Art by Domochevsky, Writing by Oracle_Hunter, edited by us. A parody of the longest arc done in the style of Hiimdaisy's comic strips, now with snazzy new (non-sucky) link! (http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/)
Dominic Deegan - The Second Coming (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99280) - the now dead Dominic Deegan rewrite, where everyone could contribute! Assuming it was still alive.

For more information, check out the Encyclopedia Dominica (http://encyclopedia-dominica.wikidot.com/), our all-encompassing archive of knowledge! It's a wiki!

If you're wondering why we snark, check out Why We Snark (http://encyclopedia-dominica.wikidot.com/why-we-snark) on the wiki!

For further reading, there's The Descent of Man (into Madness and Mookie) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4177568&postcount=7472) by Johnny Blade.

And there is also the Dominic Deegan game: Punchy's Brilliant Adventure: Ley Line Scramble (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/565899), courtesy of TamerBill!

MORE FUN STUFF:

Snarky Flowcharts (Flowsnarks)
Turcano's Chart of Arc Hope
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5959/flowchart.pngHelanna's Chart of Thread Trends
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/DeathDragon92/DominicDeeganFlow.png
guttering_flame's Cycle of Life and Death (Spoiler: It All Leads to Maltak)
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z280/corkyball/Dominic%20Deegan%20Slays/theChart2.jpg
Snark Art (Snart)

Dominic Deegan's art is garbage. However, some people may at times believe, possible after being exposed to it for way too long a time, that it's not that bad.
Well, here's something to guide the lost souls back to the light.

Domo's Beef:

http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_1.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_2.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_3.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_4.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_5.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_6.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_7.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_8.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_9.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_10.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_11.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_12.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_13.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_14.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_15.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_16.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_17.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_18.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_19.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_20.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_21.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_22.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_23.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_24.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_25.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_26.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_27.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_28.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_29.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_30.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_31.png
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http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_33.png
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http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_35_p3p4.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_36.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_37.png
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_38.png

Domo's Reenvisioning (of the Melna vs Taran fight scene and Luna's entrance at the Bikta camp):

http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/ReenvSketch.png

http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/ReenvSketch_2.png

http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/ReenvSketch_2b.png

http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/ReenvSketch_3.png

Silverblood

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs49/300W/i/2009/218/7/3/Choose_Wisely_by_Flynn_the_cat.jpg
Pay close attention, you may notice a little surprise.

Garland

BEHOLD! MUSTACHE!
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7472/warlordmustache.jpg

SNARKSERVICE
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8283/dwarfpunch.jpg

Maltak: The Unsuckening

8 out of Unknown parts done so far. (http://domochevsky.deviantart.com/gallery/26587220)


Domo's commentary on werewolf society:
http://nudecreator.org/Domochevsky/Mookster_41.png

TamerBill's animations:

Big Stuff
Dominic Deegan: The Animated Series (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111306)
Battle For Barthis 2 (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111299)
Magical Nerd Lyrical Nimmeloha (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111325)

Little Stuff
Power-Walking With Nimmel Fenix (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111322)
Dominic Dansen: Oracle for Hire (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111305)
Young Men's Chibi Association (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111336)
Hell Is Other Panels (http://megaswf.com/serve/1111327)


Joro's good old days:
In an alternate universe, Dominic Deegan: Surly Jerk With a Fish on His Head is a well regarded webcomic.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2vbo782.png
Crud, I think I drew his nose off center.

Jacob used to be somewhat cool. What happened? Curse you, Maltak.
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qizrr4.png
Glass Mouse:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z250/GlassMouse/DomPuppeteer.gif

Averagejoe (and Lord Raziere)'s One Panel (Sn)Arcs
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/onepanelsnarkarcs2_zps9bd21fba.png~original


The adventures of Stunt Bro and Hella Jayden.
http://i.imgur.com/7Bz5p.jpg

Curly's Dominic Deegan Analyses (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12904070#post12904070)

Zaq
2013-05-25, 09:41 AM
And here we are. Cheers, my friends.

Vinyadan
2013-05-25, 10:15 AM
This thread is a monument to deconstruction. And we are ready to get it going.

http://adamant.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/citysaw02.jpg

Traab
2013-05-25, 10:41 AM
Heh, darn. I was hoping Librarian For Hire would make it in there. :smalltongue: I will admit a lot of the joy has gone out of talking about this comic now that its over, but im sure we will be able to keep this limping along. Quickly everyone! Suggest to all of your friends irl that they read the entire comic and come on here to talk about it! We need new blood to secretly grin at as they slowly come to the conclusion that it always gets worse. Its like a long lasting call of cthulu game. A long, slow descent into gradually increasing madness.

Mogotoo
2013-05-25, 11:02 AM
As short as it's been for me, it's been fun here.
I liked reading the comic (probably helped that I only started last November), but there were things that did bug me, and plenty of dialogue that I cringed at. Problem was, there was no one to talk to about it. I kinda forced myself to ignore any problems with the story and just read on, because to me, what was important was reading the whole thing and catching up, no matter what. But with these threads, I have a chance to say, actually, yeah, that strip's kinda bad.
According to the Chronology, we've put in 2754 pages of work into this comic, which is almost as many as Mookie did (I shall leave it to you, the snarkers, to infer what you will from that).Except the Snarkhronology didn't start until October 31, 2006, about four and a half years later than the comic.

Lord Raziere
2013-05-25, 01:20 PM
The last version of the one panel snarcs are done:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/onepanelsnarkarcs_zps1236d7bb.png~original


However I had an alternate idea for the last panel and I couldn't decide what do do, so I made an alternate version, the difference really is minor, but nevertheless, look upon it, use whichever you think better:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk25/Trizap/onepanelsnarkarcs2_zps9bd21fba.png~original


EDIT: no wait, something is wrong, why are they small again!? :smallmad:

Edit 2: problem fixed.

ninja_penguin
2013-05-25, 01:42 PM
Swinging in here because somebody mentioned to me elsewhere that Dominic Deegan was ending. I figure I may as well reconstitute myself from the snarkstrumentality for the following.

So! The experiment is over! What have we learned here! Analyze people! I want some trends, standard deviations, and applicable knowledge!

MReav
2013-05-25, 02:06 PM
I hope Curly comes back and does an analysis.

Traab
2013-05-25, 02:13 PM
Swinging in here because somebody mentioned to me elsewhere that Dominic Deegan was ending. I figure I may as well reconstitute myself from the snarkstrumentality for the following.

So! The experiment is over! What have we learned here! Analyze people! I want some trends, standard deviations, and applicable knowledge!

The big trend has been mentioned before. "It always gets worse" The "it" in question can be applied to virtually all aspects of the comic. Art, story, character development, greg content, you name it, it always gets worse.

SaintRidley
2013-05-25, 03:06 PM
.Except the Snarkhronology didn't start until October 31, 2006, about four and a half years later than the comic.

In that case we can infer that we've put more work into this comic than Mookie has, in a much smaller period of time.


The last version of the one panel snarcs are done.

I'm going to go with the second one.

The Troubadour
2013-05-25, 03:40 PM
So! The experiment is over! What have we learned here! Analyze people! I want some trends, standard deviations, and applicable knowledge!

Eh, if I had to summarize my opinion on "Dominic Deegan", I'd say the comic had a bundle of good intentions and occasionally some good ideas, but the execution mostly varied from mediocre to terrible. Some of the shorter arcs are mildly fun to re-read when I have time to waste (an unfortunately rare commodity), but I'm not going to miss it.

Welf
2013-05-25, 03:58 PM
Welf greets world!

No idea what to say. Just want to be on page one. Maybe I'll come up with something while I'm writing and it ties together somehow in the end. Okay, I didn't come up with something.

I guess I learned nothing from the comic?

But to be serious, I learned quite a few from the comic. Mostly to never write a comic myself. I'm sure I would make the the same mistakes as Mookie. And from the thread, I learned quite a bit about writing and art. I think I can enjoy good work better now. And I'm much less able to accept bad work.

Mogotoo
2013-05-25, 04:41 PM
Just a little statistic: this comic spanned 4022 days from May 21 2002 to May 24 2013 (inclusive) while consisting of 3000 strips. That means, that for the entire past 11 years, Mookie has updated with approximately 3 strips every 4 days (the ratio on my calculator is 0.745897563).

DaftSkunk
2013-05-25, 04:59 PM
I have read this thread and this comic for a long time, going so far back as to when I thought Mr. Strange was a good nickname. :smalltongue:
In earnest, probably at least 5 years... Has this really been going so long? Kudos to your stamina!

All the slays, the cuddly animals, the haikus, the reviews and analyses I encountered each day I typed GitP into the searchengine made these days more fun than they had been without them and, arguably, even more fun than if I had never laid eyes on Dominic Deegan and its snarkers.

Reading the daily deconstruction of the trainwreck we all know and love (to hate) taught me to look at the way stories are made, to appreciate the handywork that goes into them and what happens if you think its just about making stuff up.

Anyway, I better leave it at that, because I tend to rewrite my posts until I think I´m better of not buggering anyone, so..

So long, and thanks for all the snark! It was fun!
I´ll read you over at Star Power ;)

Lord Raziere
2013-05-25, 05:15 PM
I guess I learned to make snarky strip slays and one panel snark arcs.

thats pretty much all I can say. oh well.

Morty
2013-05-25, 05:36 PM
I used to have a lot of fun back in the days of the Epic Thread and for quite a while afterwards. In time tough, this comic either became too bad to snark at or I just lost my taste for it.

And, like I said in the previous thread, it doesn't feel like an end to me, because this comic should have ended long ago. It was kept moving long past its expiration date, like a zombie... appropriately enough. Guess this comic is also zombies.

Humbug
2013-05-25, 06:29 PM
Thread 50 is a pretty big deal, but I have no idea what to say. DD's blandness has pretty much made me numb to the whole thing. So I'll just say, yay! Thread 50? :P

Cavelcade
2013-05-25, 06:31 PM
Death is zombies. This comic is zombies.

No John, you are the zombies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ar_K7rWGuQ)

SaintRidley
2013-05-25, 06:55 PM
Death is zombies. This comic is zombies.

No John, you are the zombies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ar_K7rWGuQ)

And then John was the thread.


It's nice to see some old school snarkers emerge again as the comic has wound down.

Vinyadan
2013-05-25, 07:50 PM
A couple of contribution!
With the help of the whole Snarkdom, I present you The Holy List Of Hilarious Storytelling:

Lost characters, unresolved plot points & such things


The Berserker
Dex's daughter
Luna's father
The students' parents
The orcification of the Knight
Where do Elemeccas come from?
Hey Dominic, it's me! Your old pal Mosley!
What the hell happened to Siegfried? He ate his dad, screamed in agony off camera and then.... nothing. Did he re-die? Transform into something else? What?
Similarly, Karnak. He's the King of Hell, yeah, but he knows that Loxo, Siegfried and (as far as he's aware) the Beast are still hanging around in the wings, waiting to stab him in the back. What is he going to do about it?
Dex's face and ex-wife. The guy was horribly maimed saving a town from an Eldritch Abomination - Isn't anyone going to say or do anything along the lines of "Thanks for being a hero, we're very grateful" and try to reward him, or are we not going to mention it ever again? And he somehow stayed alive after being almost eviscerated through sheer force of will. How? Why? Was it to try and win back Danika? To spite her? Is he going to get better? Is there anything between him and Pamela after she nursed him back to health?
Jacob Deegan. Is he immortal now? Fully undead? Something else? How? Why? What does this mean for the rest of the world now that we know Necromancy not to just be 'evil'?
I hate to even mention it, but we never did find out what will come of Luna's super special magical eggs. We also don't know how the recipients were chosen, or who they were.
What were those protection dolls and why didn't they use them again? (Seriously, I am never going to get over how baffled by these things I am.)
Well, Dominic's prediction that the Beast will crash the wedding and murder everyone has yet to come true
Who is Huk-Thak, and why does he want to kill Melna?
Who is Ethelia?
What happened to Barnet is unresolved. Was she in Aberthast and killed when the cathedral was attacked? Is her trial over yet? Has it even started? Who is the unlikely visitor? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2005-06-09)
What's up with Klo Tark?
Why did the limitation spell on Miranda expire?

As personal and unworthy efforts, I present you:

The List of New And Tasteless Facebath Names

Tear through my Flesh
White Magic Zombie
Aberthast Ruins
Abhorrent Face
Slaughtered Refugees
Ugly like Dex
Seamless Appendages
Punch the Bard
Unrequited Demon
Occupying Nations
Magic Eggs
Occupied Homeland
Punch Your Wife
Hands Cut Off
Scheming Mother
Treacherous Sister
Misled Bisexual
Implanted Breast
Orcrape
Altered Ass
Forever Damned
Killing Lust
Dead Mustache
Spellwolfs Slew my Sister
Disloyal Pack
Mavpel Breakdown
Atrocious Class
Dumbest Exile
Enchanted Archmage
Crazy Archmage
Rotting Archmage
I Killed an Archmage
Headless Warlord
Luana Bomb
Haunting Friend
Unforgiving Strippers
Do Drugs
Destroyer of Barthis
Love Beats
Unconsented Request
Unrequested Consent
Devil's Trade
Sexy Spandex
Improper Ass-shot
Necklace of Teeth
Of Cats and Dynamite
Drugrape Semashi
Drugraped Semashi
Rachel's Consent
Vasectomy Not Needed
Take my Eggs Away
Drugs & Family
Taken Away Daughter
Groinshot
Drunk & Disorderly
Stole from the Dead
Evil Dominic
Dead Rot
Racist Neighbor
Sex & the Headmaster
Jump off the Bridge
Water and Tusks
PissPuke
Friends Slew my Angel
Naked Souls Embrace
Flashing Children
Little Master 'n' Battlecasters
Three in the Bed
Dead Rilian
Hanged Piglet
Knife in the Wound


And my personal ending (yet to be completed and open for any form of criticism)

The Ending of Dominic Deegan

Part I


It was the day of the wedding, and the people of Callan had been called to attend into the High Camber of the Royal Palace. The occupying nations had not enjoyed the news, fearing that collecting Callan’s most known heroes into a single, public place could ignite the temporarily asleep Callanian nationalism to spark a rebellion; but promises were made and guarantees were given by Chief Thuen Gor the Outraged, that these had been old enemies of the King, and the factors of his fall; and that, anyway, they had never had any interest in governing. It was, however, a good chance to let Callan begin anew, with a leader appointed on the occasion, in theory by the authority of the heroes, but actually chosen by the occupiers.
All those who had been near Dominic after his talk with Gregory had noticed a great change in him. He was more detached, and at the same time more compassionated; Luna herself had been infected by his new behavior, and could not help herself thinking, that it was a pace in the right direction. There was fulfillment, but also a good intention behind it. Dominic had lost his second sight, indeed, but he had gained a new insight. Straining himself from the land of the living and seeing the future inside the Heart of Magic had bestowed on him discernment: the same discernment, the lack thereof had almost brought the world and Callan to a catastrophe. He was on the stage at the end of the hall, sitting on the throne of the old hereditary kings, and Luna was next to him, on the queen’s throne.
The bells hit three times, and the voice of the crowd sunk into silence and expectation as Luna helped Dominic stand. In the end, he stood, bent on his stick, and spoke. The foreign guards set themselves into attention.
“Citizens of Callan”, spake he, as his words echoed through wide-running walls and arched doors, “the reign of King David has not long come to an end. You remember it well. You remember the disputed context, in which he was elected king, against our own tradition. You remember the crimes committed by his squads, a pale imitation of the honorable Knights we knew in earlier times.” He raised his voice. “You all saw how his bureaucracy turned into a savage oppression, and how he allowed corruption and crime turn this glorious city into a cleptocracy. But you also know of his last, greatest crime: of his betrayal. You were here, as the flying isle of the Sanctum appeared in our sky, and we had to launch an attack against it, to ensure that our world and our nation would not come to an end because of his personal allegiance to a deformed abomination, to which he gave life and to which he lastly shamefully submitted.
Dear citizens, the pain and suffering caused by the king’s massacres will be slow to heal. It will not be easy, to move on, and start our lives anew. You all know that we were the most hurt, as most of the victims were our friends. In all of this suffering, however, I am about to ensure you that what is in the past will remain in the past, and that nothing similar will ever again happen in our Nation.
As we have no king, I wish to call upon you. This assembly has the authority to confirm what will be said, and to turn it into law and custom.
And, first of all, I wish to declare in front of you that I take the here present Luna Travoria as my wife, as it already was, before the authority of this assembly.”
Then Luna said, “And I take Dominic Deegan, savior of Callan, as my man”.
The crowd exploded into ovation. Because it was just a crowd that stood there, and no real assembly, as nobody had notable roles: the old servants of the king were being hunted down and prosecuted, and the little surviving military had been disarmed and taken prisoner of war by the invaders. They had no way to avoid manipulation and they simply accepted that that was being told them, as it had been under King David.
Dominic then took word again. He explained that the kingdom would return to its old, hereditary form, as it had been in the past, when it was in its bloom. He then called forward Pamela and dressed her with the mantle of Queen as she knelt before him.
Pamela then officiated more marriages, standing on the steps of the thrones, where Dominic and Luna still sat. Those who were then married were: Danovich with Jayden; Nimmel with Katia; Sturz with Butler of the Masters.
It came then to a worrisome happening. Pamela called forth a last couple to be married: Dex and Danika Garrit. This was unexpected to the most, as their names were not well known. Much worse was Danika’s reaction. She refused nearing the thrones, and she had to be manhandled there; and the crowd was upset that the groom’s face was kept covered, so that the mask had to be removed, at which many who were in the first lines recoiled. There was a murmur, which was quickly silenced. But, as Danika still refused consenting to the marriage, Dominic himself talked to her, reminding her of her ancient husband’s merits, and of the lives he had saved, not last of which, her own; and she should have shown gratitude to him for what he had done, staying behind and choosing to give his life for others instead of running away, especially taking into account, that she had not done the same for her own daughter. Danika then cried out that she would not marry him, no matter the cost. She recalled the violence she had suffered and the abuse he had practiced upon her, and, in the end, she shouted: “I don’t want my children to have to call this man their father!” In all of this, Dex stood silent. Dominic answered her saying: “If you will have children, they will not be yours. You have been given two honors, Danika: you will marry a hero, a changed man, a saved man; and you will bear the children of Luna. Your womb will give me and her an offspring.”
Luna went on. “When I was in Maltak, I called back the water and saved us all; but I had to die for it. I cannot give life, but my eggs still live. You will receive them. It will be my wedding gift to you.”

Lord Seth
2013-05-26, 01:43 AM
So, to (somewhat) repost my thoughts from the last topic...

What bugs me the most about the last comic is the redundancy of panels 2-4 with the "Many years later..." in panel 5. We already see that years are passing in the aforementioned three panels, we don't need to be told it. It's not even just the redundancy that bugs, it's the way it breaks the flow. Showing the years passing through several panels is a fine way to show time is passing, and even the quick "many years later..." works also. But combining the two just results in each one sabotaging the other.

Either panels 2-4 should've been deleted, or the text box in panel 5 should've been excised.

As for the comic itself in general...to be honest, I've only been reading it erratically for the past few years. But I don't think the comic is as bad as a lot of people in this topic make it out to be. It had some good parts, and I feel it was honestly quite good for a while, but then it just started making misstep after misstep.

Personally, I think the webcomic's worst aspects were due to Sigfried, post-death (beforehand, he was honestly one of the better characters). Rather than just let him die gracefully, Mookie felt the need to bring all that "he serves Karnak now!" nonsense, which of course let to the ridiculous, desperate, and utterly unnecessary retcons in Shadow of Sigfried. It was basically just character assassination that wouldn't have even been necessary if he had just let Sigfried die simply. I think the handling of Sigfried after he died is what bugs me the most about the comic, to be honest, because I thought his death scene was done decently prior to Karnak showing up.

Speaking of which, the plot points in Court of Karnak are just blatantly left hanging, particularly in regards to Sigfried. This might have been acceptable if it was self-contained, but the ending really looked like it was setting up for some things that never paid off. Just another example of how Sigfried should've just died with no information given about what happened to him afterwards.

But despite the frequent (and sometimes major) missteps, congrats are to Mookie for successfully keeping it going, having a very consistent update schedule (especially by the often weak standards of webcomics), and reaching a conclusion. Even at its worst I felt Dominic Deegan at least had some decent ideas, and at its best it was a comic I actually really really liked.

It was never the best of strips, it was never the worst of strips, but it was often just good enough to make you forget how bad it was.

Sunken Valley
2013-05-26, 09:03 AM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2013-05-26, 09:06 AM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"

Document ALL of your thoughts and reactions.

Be our new test subject.

Curly never made it through the full thing, it would be nice to have another neutral read-through log.

Landis963
2013-05-26, 09:12 AM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"


Document ALL of your thoughts and reactions.

Be our new test subject.

Curly never made it through the full thing, it would be nice to have another neutral read-through log.

And maybe, after a year or so's worth of comics, it will be our turn to say "Dance, puppet! Dance!" :smallbiggrin:

Welf
2013-05-26, 09:21 AM
And then John was the thread.


It's nice to see some old school snarkers emerge again as the comic has wound down.

Yeah. It would be nice if we get even more guest stars.

Sunken Valley
2013-05-26, 09:22 AM
Document ALL of your thoughts and reactions.

Be our new test subject.

Curly never made it through the full thing, it would be nice to have another neutral read-through log.

Can you give me points to stop? Like for example, OOTS has clear chapters of where a new scene stops and starts. Like between 775 and 822 is the tournament/Linear attack arc. And between 600 and 622 is the Thieves Guild attack/Belkar vision quest arc.

I know Deegan has arcs, like when it had no plot or this "vaction" everyone talks about.

Anyone have clear ideas?

Vinyadan
2013-05-26, 10:55 AM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"

Back-up your brain, it's the safest thing.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-05-26, 11:08 AM
Can you give me points to stop? Like for example, OOTS has clear chapters of where a new scene stops and starts. Like between 775 and 822 is the tournament/Linear attack arc. And between 600 and 622 is the Thieves Guild attack/Belkar vision quest arc.

I know Deegan has arcs, like when it had no plot or this "vaction" everyone talks about.

Anyone have clear ideas?

Mookie doesn't really do numbered strips, but the arc breaks are usually fairly obvious. He also has chapters delineated in his Archive (http://dominic-deegan.com/contents.php).

Also, stop after Storm of Souls. Actually, parts of The Battle for Barthis, The War in Hell, and Two Thief or Not Two Thief are good, but Storm of Souls is pretty much the definitive shark-jumping moment.

Johnny Blade
2013-05-26, 12:03 PM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"
Don't do it? There's not going to be anyone to make fun of the comic with soon, you'll just spend a lot of time reading an awful comic for nothing.

Zaq
2013-05-26, 12:08 PM
Don't do it? There's not going to be anyone to make fun of the comic with soon, you'll just spend a lot of time reading an awful comic for nothing.

. . . Which is exactly why this should be done NOW, while the corpse is still warm.

Has anyone heard from Curly in a while? I wonder what we could do to bribe her to pick up where she left off and see us through to the finish.

Sunken Valley
2013-05-26, 12:54 PM
I read Chapter 1.

It was ok. It set up the premise well and introduced hints of things to come. It did have a sexist joke though in strip 2 (early). I also didn't get why the one man's finger was broken. Not much to say because it's not all that big.

Dodom
2013-05-26, 01:28 PM
I did the same thing as Sunken Valley, and read DD out of sheer curiosity after reading so many appalled comments on it. They made it sound like the worst thing ever, both in writing and in concept.
Reading it with that mindset was disappointing. DD is a mediocre comic. Not a terrible one, just one that isn't great. I spent thousands of pages looking for that point where everything really gets messed up, and it never came.
Mookie had great ideas, but never clung to one long enough to develop it properly. I often recognised the thought process that lead up from one concept to the next, and found enjoyment in it.
The pitiful thing about his work was that he always hurried to the next thing, tried to do everything he thought about instead of choosing what to leave out, and did everything halfway. The most notorious example would be the concept of "how a good man can willingly commit evil actions" VS the "sexy rapist" plot it turned out as. Why, this was a good idea, but one to be developped with care and thought through, not thrown in just because.
The characters as mere plot puppets with little individuality would be another of this comic's weaknesses, but it may simply be a result of the first. Too much following his guts, not enough planning.
I didn't mind the art that changed fairly little over the years. For all I know he may have put a special effort into consistency.

Globally, it's a comic one should be left to guiltlessly enjoy if one finds entertainent in it, it's not so bad that it takes abnormal tastes to like. It's not deserving of all the attention it got, nor of all the snark.

Rosstin
2013-05-26, 01:40 PM
DD is a mediocre comic. Not a terrible one, just one that isn't great.

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Cen
2013-05-26, 01:45 PM
stuff

Main problem I had was that Mookie tried to tell that Dominic is so super special awesome and noble, while he was just a-hole and jerk.

He neutered his talking, sentient cat.
He freaking neutered his firend.
And then told him a which stole his balls.

Johnny Blade
2013-05-26, 01:56 PM
I've been done arguing about why exactly everything about this comic, from ideas to execution to Mookie talking about it in the newsposts, is utter garbage for a long time, but...

I spent thousands of pages looking for that point where everything really gets messed up, and it never came.
Allow me:
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg

T-O-E
2013-05-26, 02:39 PM
That's not so bad. The idea of having your giant protagonist dressed as some kind of bondage He-Man wielding a phallic sword and invading the vulnerable mind of a woman who is presented as naked*, weak and tiny and being commanded by the male is a good idea that has potential. It just wasn't executed very well.

*Don't be so close minded.

Traab
2013-05-26, 02:54 PM
That's not so bad. The idea of having your giant protagonist dressed as some kind of bondage He-Man wielding a phallic sword and invading the vulnerable mind of a woman who is presented as naked*, weak and tiny and being commanded by the male is a good idea that has potential. It just wasn't executed very well.

*Don't be so close minded.

I just want to nitpick one point, you wasted a lot of words there. You could have just left it as "He-Man invading the vulnerable mind of a woman who is presented as naked*, weak and tiny and being commanded by the male is a good idea that has potential. It just wasn't executed very well."

after all,

http://he-man.org/assets/images/home_news/he-man_vol1_full.jpg

Mookie just slapped doms head on a standard he-man pic and removed the muscles.

Dodom
2013-05-26, 02:59 PM
Not giving thought to what symbolism people might see in art in a "mental" setting where people expect to find symbolism is exactly what I'd consider mediocre execution.
I'm pretty sure Mookie didn't cackle to himself madly designing it to be interpreted that way. He just skipped wondering what it came accross as.

busterswd
2013-05-26, 03:02 PM
Don't be so clothes minded.

Fixed, with a pun worthy of Mookie. Just need to add an annoyed character looking at the foreground and you've got another comic update.

Castel
2013-05-26, 03:35 PM
I've been done arguing about why exactly everything about this comic, from ideas to execution to Mookie talking about it in the newsposts, is utter garbage for a long time, but...

Allow me:
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mf6ULm1.jpg

Christ, man, careful with that thing! Some of us like being sane.

Giggling Ghast
2013-05-26, 03:39 PM
I'm sure the thought process was "He-Man is rad" and "Wouldn't it be rad if Dominic was He-Man". Thus was an ill-fitting, horrid-looking abomination born.

But was not the true turning point of this comic the Snowsong arc and Supergreg?

Vinyadan
2013-05-26, 03:58 PM
DD is a mediocre comic. Not a terrible one, just one that isn't great. I spent thousands of pages looking for that point where everything really gets messed up, and it never came.

Two things. I made more or less the same thing you did, but I didn't know the comic was bad. I simply had noticed that it was the most discussed here and was curious. And the comic is objectively bad, because it applies rules of a genre to other genres, without having the originality to create something new.


Mookie had great ideas, but never clung to one long enough to develop it properly. I often recognised the thought process that lead up from one concept to the next, and found enjoyment in it.

I don't think that's how a literary work is meant to be read, although it is an option. This should be a further step, after the normal reading; yours was already a meta-reading. Not saying that you shouldn't do that, simply that this is not how a comic is meant to be read or its quality evaluated.


The most notorious example would be the concept of "how a good man can willingly commit evil actions" VS the "sexy rapist" plot it turned out as. Why, this was a good idea, but one to be developped with care and thought through, not thrown in just because.
The characters as mere plot puppets with little individuality would be another of this comic's weaknesses, but it may simply be a result of the first. Too much following his guts, not enough planning.

That was the point that made me think "what?". It was also the point where I really noticed that nothing was too cheap for this comic. Plotwise the thing also doesn't work. I will probably write something about this in my ending.
This was the lowest point in the transmission of concepts, but I think this is not where things went downhill: that was when Dom left the village, random fights with psychologyless soon-to-be allies were added and the happy slice of life thing was sliced off and left to percolate on a comic which should become epic. Really, it would have been much better if Dom and Luna had kept living together in the shack doing happy random humor.


I didn't mind the art that changed fairly little over the years. For all I know he may have put a special effort into consistency.

Consistency into forgetting to draw limbs? I would rather say that he was too much involved in producing more to take the time and learn to produce better art. To me, the most painful thing are the featureless forests. If you have been in a forest once, you surely notice that things don't work that way. It's all too general and laking in detail.


Globally, it's a comic one should be left to guiltlessly enjoy if one finds entertainent in it, it's not so bad that it takes abnormal tastes to like. It's not deserving of all the attention it got, nor of all the snark.

You are right, it is guiltless and innocent, and also full of options for self-immersion. However, this is a thin veil. For me, it broke before I came to this discussion. Too many things are badly done, and, honestly, some things were over the top in these threads, but some others were too over the top in the comic. Four instances of rape or attempted rape? What the hell is this? Little nude Barnet? Redemption reserved to friends of the main protagonist and impossible for the others? Constantly creating situations, made only to have the characters give them an answer, and it's always the most improbable one possible?

If someone can read it without breaking the veil, he is lucky.

However, I do admit that it is better than many other comics. There are strange comics in the web, which probe the most unpleasant recesses of the human soul, and DD is not among these, in spite of its sexualization of improper moments (death scenes, for example). But exactly because DD did not remain in its little hole and instead knew success critic is necessary, as it is somewhere in the area of QC, OotS, DrMcN, and so on. And these comics are all a lot better than DD. I think this is part of the CAD syndrome - mediocre products are accepted, until they remain in their niche. After they get in the open, they have to confront themselves with other products and are destroyed by the comparison.

T-O-E
2013-05-26, 06:10 PM
Fixed, with a pun worthy of Mookie. Just need to add an annoyed character looking at the foreground and you've got another comic update.

http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-07-22

Lord Seth
2013-05-26, 10:14 PM
I'm thinking I should read this Dominic Deegan.

Does anyone want to give me advice before I delve into the "horror"Two things.
1) It's not that bad. Heck, a lot of it was actually pretty good.
2) If you're out to legitimately enjoy the comic, and it is legitimately enjoyable for a while, my suggestion is to read until the end of the Storm of Souls arc. After that, just keep reading until you find yourself not liking the comic anymore, then quit, because at whatever point you get annoyed after Storm of Souls, I can guarantee it's not going to get any better.


I'm sure the thought process was "He-Man is rad" and "Wouldn't it be rad if Dominic was He-Man". Thus was an ill-fitting, horrid-looking abomination born.

But was not the true turning point of this comic the Snowsong arc and Supergreg?Supergreg was dumb, but I at least get the feeling it was supposed to be kinda dumb. And I'll be honest, I did think it was kind of funny.

I'd say the point where the comic really started just getting stupid was Shadow of Sigfried. That was terrible character assassination via blatant retcon. Sigfried got the worst of it, but Jayden got hit pretty badly also.

And another big problem with Shadow of Sigfried is that the stupidity was tied straight into the arc. This wasn't just some side thing that was dumb, as it was in the previous arcs. For example, Supergreg was incredibly silly, but you probably could've rewritten the arc to remove it reasonably easily. Shadow of Sigfried's problems were the whole focus of the arc.

Bobikus
2013-05-26, 11:01 PM
There's certainly worse comics out there (Moon over June), but DD's pretty objectively bad, and possibly the most incompetent writing I've seen in terms of writing a story from a comic not drawn by a kid/teenager.

The Troubadour
2013-05-26, 11:35 PM
2) If you're out to legitimately enjoy the comic, and it is legitimately enjoyable for a while, my suggestion is to read until the end of the Storm of Souls arc.

I think it's interesting most people seem to think Storm of Souls was either the comic's highlight or the last good story arc. I like it, too; it does have quite a few good moments, and it's overall quite enjoyable. But it's also the moment when the resolution to conflicts started to depend more on raw power than outsmarting the opposition, and the whole feel of the series changed to that of a Silver Age comic.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-05-26, 11:59 PM
I think it's interesting most people seem to think Storm of Souls was either the comic's highlight or the last good story arc. I like it, too; it does have quite a few good moments, and it's overall quite enjoyable. But it's also the moment when the resolution to conflicts started to depend more on raw power than outsmarting the opposition, and the whole feel of the series changed to that of a Silver Age comic.

I like to view it as the comic's jumping the shark moment - "jumping the shark" isn't the worst point of a serialized work, it's just the point where you can tell the creators have run out of ideas and it's not going to get any better from here.

Also, it works perfectly well as a climax/conclusion and the plot hadn't had time to meander all over creation yet.

Trazoi
2013-05-27, 12:00 AM
I think it's interesting most people seem to think Storm of Souls was either the comic's highlight or the last good story arc. I like it, too; it does have quite a few good moments, and it's overall quite enjoyable. But it's also the moment when the resolution to conflicts started to depend more on raw power than outsmarting the opposition, and the whole feel of the series changed to that of a Silver Age comic.
It's more that Storm of Souls was a natural stopping point for the comic and there wasn't anywhere for it to go after that. If Mookie had moved on to a new webcomic then, learning from his mistakes in his next attempt, then by now he would be a much better comic writer.

Rosstin
2013-05-27, 02:25 AM
It's more that Storm of Souls was a natural stopping point for the comic and there wasn't anywhere for it to go after that. If Mookie had moved on to a new webcomic then, learning from his mistakes in his next attempt, then by now he would be a much better comic writer.

Troof.

We need to find something worse than Dominic Deegan to make fun of a bond over now. Star Power is just too utterly mediocre for me to even care about it.

Turcano
2013-05-27, 02:42 AM
Troof.

We need to find something worse than Dominic Deegan to make fun of a bond over now. Star Power is just too utterly mediocre for me to even care about it.

I'm not sure that's a good idea. There are some truly horrifying webcomics out there.

Johnny Blade
2013-05-27, 02:49 AM
For completion's sake:

The definitely last update. (http://dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2013-05-27)

And a newspost to go along with it:


Afterword. May 27, 2013 Posted by Mookie
I put this "afterword" image up so people coming to the site for the first time would not see the comic's ending.

As for the present and future of the site:

- I will keep the comic online as long as people are still interesting in reading it and I can afford to keep paying the hosting fees. And I finally updated the ARCHIVE (http://dominic-deegan.com/contents.php), too.

- My new webcomic with Garth Graham, STAR POWER (http://www.starpowercomic.com/), is online! The site is a little rough around the edges, as we thought we'd have it fully functional by now, so please excuse the muddled RSS feed, the incorrect convention dates (the links are correct), and the lorem lipsum in the blog section. But the comics are easily accessible, so we hope you like what you see so far!

- I fully plan on releasing a "complete collection" of Dominic Deegan's adventures, but there are a lot of logistics to consider, such as book size (one 3000-page book, or two 1500-page books, or three 1000-page books, etc), quantity, hardcover options, price, and so on. I'll keep you folks posted.

- I took down the old Links and Contact pages because they've been updated on STAR POWER (http://www.starpowercomic.com/).

This has been an incredible journey, and I hope you folks join me for the next adventure. Thank you for everything!

Personally, I am incredibly disappointed that chapter 43 isn't called A Bort Mission.


That's not so bad. The idea of having your giant protagonist dressed as some kind of bondage He-Man wielding a phallic sword and invading the vulnerable mind of a woman who is presented as naked*, weak and tiny and being commanded by the male is a good idea that has potential. It just wasn't executed very well.
Yeah, he really could have done more with the scarf, at least. It's not even probing or anything.


Christ, man, careful with that thing! Some of us like being sane.
Terribly sorry. I have a few choice links from the War in Hell and its aftermath that I could replace it with, if that would be better.

Rosstin
2013-05-27, 03:00 AM
The final image is sweet. It reminds me of reading the comic for the first time.

It really is sad that the comic wasn't better. I remember actually liking Dominic as a relatable character once. Oh well.

Trazoi
2013-05-27, 03:00 AM
Personally, I am incredibly disappointed that chapter 43 isn't called A Bort Mission.
Chapter 37 should be "Just Desert. Go on. Run while you still can."

I'm not sure what to make of Mookie's commitment to a 3000 page Dominic Deegan collection. If he does go for it, I don't know how many people are going to shell out a couple of hundred bucks for the complete Deegan.

Rosstin
2013-05-27, 03:02 AM
Chapter 37 should be "Just Desert. Go on. Run while you still can."

I'm not sure what to make of Mookie's commitment to a 3000 page Dominic Deegan collection. If he does go for it, I don't know how many people are going to shell out a couple of hundred bucks for the complete Deegan.

Dominic Deegan is popular, for whatever reason...

Slight topic change. Does anyone read http://flipside.keenspot.com/ ? I'm surprised I never hear about it from anyone else, I really like it but the readership seems to be vanishingly small. Is it actually a bad comic and I just can't tell?

Analytica
2013-05-27, 03:22 AM
Slight topic change. Does anyone read http://flipside.keenspot.com/ ? I'm surprised I never hear about it from anyone else, I really like it but the readership seems to be vanishingly small. Is it actually a bad comic and I just can't tell?

For all its sometimes blatant fanservice which additionally sometimes veers into odd territory (e.g. vore fetishes), I really like that comic. It has good art, an actually semi-consistent setting and magic system, and some genuinely unexpected ideas and developments. Not sure where the plot is actually going, but given that the main villain who has been spoken of since the prequels is just now actually appearing, I think there is some semblance of a path, at least...

I would compare it to e.g. Tales of MU.

Lord Raziere
2013-05-27, 03:25 AM
oh Flipside?

eh. read it some time ago...

I dislike it. they decide to introduce us with a side-character as a protagonist, but then he becomes you know….a side character while they switch to the main character….

and um…honestly I preferred it when it was y'know, the first chapter, cause I liked the first guy, whathisname, better than the weird clown and her uptight knight girlfriend. if I remember, the weird clown girl willingly gets her arm eaten by a zombie for some reason?

I dunno, I don't remember it much. but I liked the first chapter with the side-character guy rather than the actual protagonists.

google search and an edit: yea, I definitely liked it when it was about Crest. that guy. he was cool. I think? I still don't remember much.

ThirdEmperor
2013-05-27, 03:47 AM
I read a little. First chapter showed promise, if a few troublesome signs. It got taken over by weird fetishes and silly anime plots pretty fast. 'm not sure if I'd go so far as to put in Dominic Deegan's company but, I haven't read in a while.

Cavelcade
2013-05-27, 04:06 AM
http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-07-22

I can't believe he went with clothed instead of clothes. Even when he's making puns, he's doing it wrong.

T-O-E
2013-05-27, 07:12 AM
Chapter 37 should be "Just Desert. Go on. Run while you still can."

I'm not sure what to make of Mookie's commitment to a 3000 page Dominic Deegan collection. If he does go for it, I don't know how many people are going to shell out a couple of hundred bucks for the complete Deegan.

Perhaps he could collaborate with the people who hate his comic and make an annotated version, complete with edits and maybe cut-outs of the comic's most iconic scenes (Punchy, Stonewater etc) that can be placed on any comic to improve it.

Juhn
2013-05-27, 09:48 AM
Flipside? Flipside has a number of problems. It's weirdly fetishy in an unsettling way (the aforementioned jester girl calmly and happily letting a half-naked girl eat her arm, superpowered bondage clothing in the first chapter, the main character turns meek and submissive when stripped naked but is confident and savvy while wearing a skintight jester costume), it sells itself on being a "sexy comic" ("a comic about a nymphomaniac jester girl with split personalities") and then the comic itself is incredibly chaste (aside from the aforementioned weird fetishy stuff), and the main characters themselves (i.e. Maytag and Bernadette) are incredibly dull. Possibly because Maytag is meant to be a savvy comedienne, but the author doesn't knoww how to write her as savvy or funny, instead leaving her comedic/entertainer skills as entirely informed instead of shown.

The comic has a nasty habit of undermining its own premiseThe three character attributes we're given for Maytag (again, taken directly from the author's own description) are: nymphomania, jester, and split personalities. Then she spends the entire comic in a committed monogamous relationship and manages it pretty well, she's never shown amusing people because the author doesn't know how to write that, and there's an eventual "revelation" that completely undermines the "Split personalities" thing as well.

Specifically, she eventually reveals she was making that whole thing up as a gimmick to make people like her, because she's actually really boring and doesn't want to be. Apparently this is also to explain why her multiple personalities are incredibly inconsistent both throughout the comic and compared to how multiple personalities actually work

I agree that Crest is a significantly more interesting and well fleshed out character, but the author is insistent on making it about Maytag and Bernadette, despite them being boring.

The plot itself is incredibly dull, poorly conveyed, and moves at a pace comparable to that of teectonic drift.

Say what you will about Dominic Deegan, at least it's fun to laugh at and make fun of. Flipside is just... bad. And boring. So very boring.

Vinyadan
2013-05-27, 10:23 AM
A new idea: poet slays! Here Mookie meets Eliot (Waste Land and Hollow Men).

http://s13.postimg.org/qw2rdzzcn/wasteland.png

http://s21.postimg.org/a6oege8vr/hollow.png

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2013-05-27, 11:25 AM
That's... kind of awesome actually! :smallbiggrin:

Castel
2013-05-27, 11:50 AM
Has anyone been following that new Star Power comic Mookie's getting started on? Any ideas on whether it'll be worthy snark material?


Terribly sorry. I have a few choice links from the War in Hell and its aftermath that I could replace it with, if that would be better.

Does... does it involve legs of love?

Oracle_Hunter
2013-05-27, 12:22 PM
Has anyone been following that new Star Power comic Mookie's getting started on? Any ideas on whether it'll be worthy snark material?
Yes, some of us have (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283700) :smalltongue:

Castel
2013-05-27, 12:57 PM
Yes, some of us have (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283700) :smalltongue:

Oh, geez. That's what I get for neglecting the actual webcomics forum page. :smallredface:

Vinyadan
2013-05-27, 01:34 PM
I tried another one with Eliot, but it was hard, and the result is a bit weird.


http://s15.postimg.org/ud2fgqenv/roots.png


Also, one of the other ones was not visible anymore, so here it is:
http://s18.postimg.org/jdh854o9l/hollow.png

random11
2013-05-27, 03:19 PM
I did the same thing as Sunken Valley, and read DD out of sheer curiosity after reading so many appalled comments on it. They made it sound like the worst thing ever, both in writing and in concept.
Reading it with that mindset was disappointing. DD is a mediocre comic. Not a terrible one, just one that isn't great. I spent thousands of pages looking for that point where everything really gets messed up, and it never came.
Mookie had great ideas, but never clung to one long enough to develop it properly. I often recognised the thought process that lead up from one concept to the next, and found enjoyment in it.

I wouldn't say DD is the worst comic ever, there are far worse.
But the way I see it, DD is the closest thing I ever found to a manual of how not to write a comic.
Art, characters, world building, villains, conversations etc. It's like everything is done wrong.

BTW, for me, the point it got REALLY bad was after Maltak arc, but reading pages fast without waiting a day for the next page might help ignoring some of the problems that were more obvious when they were released.

Veridis Quo
2013-05-27, 03:55 PM
I was surfing the net and word got to me that DD had finally ended. Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the comic as a whole. It was definitely bad through and through but as people have commented, you can see some thought process Mookie might have used to get there. But poor execution is poor execution so not much can be added.

I stopped reading DD a month or two ago because I just couldn't do it anymore. The comic is mentally and emotionally draining and I was juggling a job and college so I made the call to just let it go and wait until life loosened up a bit. Now that I've seen the end I can honestly say I don't think there was any way for Mookie to wrap this comic up in a satisfying way given the time frame he placed on himself. I wish this comic were better than it turned out, and I'm probably too tired to really pull my thoughts together at the moment.

I started reading DD about 4 years ago when a friend recommended it to me (along with Las Lindas :smallannoyed:) having read through the series and finally seen it end all I can say is that it's liberating.

Vinyadan
2013-05-27, 04:15 PM
A DD and a LICD one:

http://s24.postimg.org/t4lm8h9qt/whitman.png

http://s24.postimg.org/fc77cuiz9/yeats.png
Last one is a poem by Yeats.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-27, 04:20 PM
. . .
It's true then.

A PM from a certain ghostly fox informed me this monster was dead, and . . . it is.

I have been asked back to finish my analyses. I know it's kind of like flogging a dead horse (and then turning it into lasagne) at this point, but I'd like to do it. Finish off the experiment that is.
If there's interest I will; but I'm only just getting over a pretty bad accident (and physio) that damaged my wrists and whatnot, and with other projects on the go, I don't know if I'll be able to do it without sufficient interest.

I'm willing enough, but anyone else?

ThirdEmperor
2013-05-27, 04:27 PM
I don't there's a single poster in this thread who wouldn't want to see the completed Curly Chronicles. I know I sure would.

Vinyadan
2013-05-27, 05:00 PM
The Beast has a tender heart.
http://s12.postimg.org/uoyg32t4d/violet.png

By the way, I am always interested in reading, so yeah, Curly! :smallwink:

Bobikus
2013-05-27, 05:34 PM
I tried another one with Eliot, but it was hard, and the result is a bit weird.


http://s15.postimg.org/ud2fgqenv/roots.png


Also, one of the other ones was not visible anymore, so here it is:
http://s18.postimg.org/jdh854o9l/hollow.png

Even without them directly connected to any context, the addition of good writing to the panels is still a big improvement.

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2013-05-27, 06:24 PM
I would LOVE a continued Curly analysis!

Cen
2013-05-27, 06:35 PM
Woo-hoo! Curly is back! It's like christmas comming early!
Please do Curly, contuonue with your work!

MReav
2013-05-27, 06:41 PM
Curly, you can gave my avatar's Mr. Scruffy doll if you'll resume it at your leisure.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/Cherpet/Avatar/Help_Curly.png (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Cherpet/media/Avatar/Help_Curly.png.html)

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-27, 07:05 PM
I don't there's a single poster in this thread who wouldn't want to see the completed Curly Chronicles. I know I sure would.



By the way, I am always interested in reading, so yeah, Curly! :smallwink:


I would LOVE a continued Curly analysis!


Woo-hoo! Curly is back! It's like christmas comming early!
Please do Curly, continue with your work!


Curly, you can gave my avatar's Mr. Scruffy doll if you'll resume it at your leisure.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/Cherpet/Avatar/Help_Curly.png (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Cherpet/media/Avatar/Help_Curly.png.html)

Then I'm back baby.[/austin powers]
@MReav: I'll be taking that Mr. Scruffy toy now. :smalltongue:

Now to re-read the entire thing and/or my analyses before getting back into the thing. Or perhaps I'll finish off the infertility arc first. Not like I need, you know, a backstory or anything for it.

MReav
2013-05-27, 07:48 PM
Then I'm back baby.[/austin powers]
@MReav: I'll be taking that Mr. Scruffy toy now. :smalltongue:

I got Mini-Miko a new one (bigger, rounder eyes). Here's the old one.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/Cherpet/Avatar/Scruffy_zps3efcc830.png (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Cherpet/media/Avatar/Scruffy_zps3efcc830.png.html)

Zaq
2013-05-28, 01:06 AM
Curly! Glee and jubilation! All hail!

Welf
2013-05-28, 01:16 AM
Yes! So this thread will have a worthy epilogue. We all need the closure.

Doompuppy
2013-05-28, 01:19 AM
Good to have you back, Curly! =)

Looking forward to the end of the Grand Experiment.

Inane Octopus
2013-05-28, 01:28 PM
I tried another one with Eliot, but it was hard, and the result is a bit weird.


http://s15.postimg.org/ud2fgqenv/roots.png






Weird? Thats the best of the bunch in my opinion.

Friv
2013-05-28, 02:30 PM
Then I'm back baby.[/austin powers]
@MReav: I'll be taking that Mr. Scruffy toy now. :smalltongue:

Now to re-read the entire thing and/or my analyses before getting back into the thing. Or perhaps I'll finish off the infertility arc first. Not like I need, you know, a backstory or anything for it.

Woot! Looking forwards to it.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-28, 02:40 PM
I'm back. Again. And in preparation I've read the entire comic up to where I left off, and the accompanying analyses. The things I do. I miss Visions of Doom so much. Why Mookie, did you continue on past The Party? They were so good. That said . . . the art has . . . improved since the beginning. Shame it stagnated around about The War in Hell.
And I found the one comment that Siggy's character destruction is based on. I feel so sorry for Siggy knowing what he was facing.
Do you have any idea how hard it is for me to not bitch about the entire comic from the beginning all over again? I swear every other panel has something wrong with it in hindsight. And let's not even discuss the fear of transvestites or - shut up Koorly. Not starting from the beginning again.

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan

The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336”) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769”) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250”) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States


Let the experiment proceed!**
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Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 Arcs covered: Altered States
Ehehehehehehehe. Dominic Deegan. Infertility. Hate speech. The arc meant to be dealing with LUNA'S INFERTILITY (which, I think we all agree, is a Very Serious Issue) is warped to be all about the Dominus and his weakness because, guess what! In spite of this arc meant to be about LUNA, the disgustingly hateful, manipulative, self-centred, sociopathic psychopath masquerading as our good hero can't have anyone focus on anything else but himself.

And so Luna's own self-esteem issues and all the other problems that would arise from never being able to have children are swept under the rug to discuss the problems that a hateful - oh my giddy aunt.

Dominic Deegan is a Travoria. Luna's trapped in an abusive relationship with a callous, emotionally manipulative, crippled, former drug addict of a doctor. I mean, teacher. When did the Dominus turn into Doctor House? Or Sherlock!Sherlock? Only without the charisma, intelligence and knowledge that many of the things he did was bad. Oh, and both those characters had character development.

And the thing is, House makes for a compelling protagonist because his massive character flaws are discussed openly and the ramifications are noted as being good, but also very bad in the long run.

I think this is the major - okay, one of the major issues with Dominic Deegan: it would be amazing if all these issues and flaws were taken seriously. That random soup wenches would see this relationship, call it out as abusive and have Luna say "No, it's fine, he just needs me and I deserve this. We all do, we shouldn't doubt him, he's such a powerful Seer," and so on and so forth. That Jacob and Siggy and all of those other characters I loved so much could see this desperate cycle of abuse and hurt and try to get help all these people escape the manipulations of this psychopath and -

Just, wouldn't that be wonderful? Absolutely horrifying at points yes, but wonderful. The Dominus manipulating all the events so that the entire nation of . . . Deeganland is completely dependent on him for everything, and if they displease him he just . . . removes them. So yeah, our fanon interpretation. We honestly wouldn't have to do much to the actual comic either.

But back to infertility and alterists. By the way, did you know I inadvertently predicted alterists back when I started these reviews? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Of course, back then, Luna kissing someone meant the recipient was left with puncture wounds so retcon?

But comic. Panel seven is just a gift (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-12) isn't it? And, oddly, this page isn't so bad. I mean, I do wonder what exactly Dr. Caledonia means by enhancements, implants and full transplants though. Enhancements are easy enough I suppose - to magically increase the fertility/production of eggs/sperm/stuff, but implants? Like getting a new womb, fallopian tubes and ovaries? Or new male stuff? Look, I did sex ed. back in Y8/9 and very little of it stuck okay? But how would that work? Your sperm and eggs would basically be donors - but wouldn't that essentially be transplanting?

Logic does not work in Deeganland. Think not for your brain will hurt.

Okay, fine, the Dominus has avalid reason to fear alterism (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-13), but I hardly think it's irreversible. Didn't Smug Greg get his hair done with alterism? And that's hardly irreversible now is it? It wasn't! Here (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-04-20) he hates the alterism hair cuts, so he uses magic to change his hair (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-04-21). And surely alterism can fix alterism? It is just a plastic surgery/reconstructive surgery analogue, and you most certainly can fix many types of plastic surgery with plastic surgery.

Still, while I do think the Dominus is overreacting in his open and outright condemnation of alterism, that is what a phobia is. A(n irriational) fear of something. I also wonder is it's a coincidence that the Dominus had his lower lip/jaw flesh ripped out in a vision, and that's exactly what Jacob showed him in a vision (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2006-12-18) eight or so years later. Given it's Jacob who, in canon (what little chronology they give anyone), would have been around then, I think this is deliberate. More points to you Jacob.

And another point to the Dominus (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-14), he even knows he's acting irrationally. At this rate, he'll start acting like a human being in a few strips! And also, points to Mookie for having a trans character whose character isn't based on being transgender. However, the wording in that last panel, "I used to be a man" . . . I'm honestly not well-read on LGBTQetc. terminology and whatnot, but the whole point about being transgender is your gender and your sex (mental and physical) are not the same. Still, I suppose saying, "I was born in a male body" is also awkward and probably not exact either.

Frankly, I think this is actually quite a respectful way of introducing a trans character without making the trans . . . ness the whole point of the character, rather it influenced how the character reacted first - hence the rant about 'selfish aterists'. And honestly, when films made around the same time (The Hangover Part II (look, I was with a friend and the film was awful)) use transgender characters as a cheap punchline and lead into a homophobic joke, Mookie comes off as being extremely respectful and relatively understated.

Christ, even the reason this fact is revealed makes sense in context: Doctor Caledonia is trying to allay the DOminus' fears by explaining that there are many people who honestly benefit from alterism; she is in fact, one of them.

What happened to the things that made me rage quit two years in a row? Somewhat amusingly, the {{Newspost}} has Mookie think people would rage about Doctor Caledonia's status as mtf and, while I think it could have been handled better, it was still very well done given the rigid structure of the strip. By that I mean, it still shouldn't have been a punchline, but it was rather well done nonetheless.

Eleanor Roane? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-17) Ha. I thought that was Mama Deegan. Aside from that: Luna's demonstrating a perfect Stoned Gassy Toddler Face; the Dominus has no lips in p. 6 - 8; all females now blush one hundred percent of the time and yes, I did noticed the blatant copy paste in the last three panels. Oh, and again, Luna's dress is missing her neckline meaning that, once more, I thought Luna was topless. Plotwise: clearly Luna knows Doctor Roane somehow, why lse would she instantly acquiesce despite having doubts herself?

Aside from actually being a relatively reasonable person who would like to be able to decide whether or not to have children. {{Newspost: I was right about Doctor Caledonia. And Mookie, you shouldn't gloat about Doctor Roane never having been mentioned before. Foreshadowing: use it. It doesn't even have to be her name, just 'I've read about this alterist predicted this[/I] back in September 2010! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) That said, why is Doctor Roane a brunette when examining Luna and a blonde when mentoring Doctor Caledonia even though these two events probably occurred at the same time given the relatively youthful appearance of both Doctor Caledonia and Luna?

But most disconcertingly is Luna . . . okay? I don't mean grammar, she looks about five (although looking at p. 2 makes me think she's ten), so I'm excusing that. But the content. "I'm a orc princess!" I don't even.

Right. We'll ignore the abuse, because p. 8 clearly implies that no matter what Luna did her mother refused to let her see another alterist. But let's discuss the history of Deeganland. Or rather, the racism of Deeganland, which really is the same thing.

Roughly at the time of Luna's birth Callan was at war with Maltak. A genocidal war. And this hatred has been around for a good century right? The general populace of Callan hates orcs. I mean, back in Lynne's Brook there was a lynch mob. And Siggy (even pre-character assassination) thought orcs were inherently ugly because they had tusks. So being raised as a young noblewoman near Lynne's Brook Luna would have received a double dosing of conditioning regarding the evil, savage orcs.

As someone who has looked after children, I can say categorically that they are very cruel, and often take their parents words as gospel; they don't mean to be insensitive, they just are. So this situation is roughly akin to . . .

Okay, incoming racial slurs, but to explain why this situation is so stupid. When my mother was five (early 1960s) she collected Golliwog dolls (http://0.tqn.com/d/collectibles/1/0/8/W/3/golliwog.jpg) and one of her favourite shows as a preteen was Love Thy Neighbour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Thy_Neighbour). And then you have that episode with the Major reminiscing about cricket trotting out both the n-word and wog without a care. When you're raised on . . . let's say casual racism you absorb it. You don't necessarily wish anything bad would happen, but you don't want to be it. If you know what I'm saying.

And when orcs and Callanians are actively at war (or have just ended that war as the victors) this kind of thing just wouldn't happen. And while we can all cite examples are children innocently smacking down their parent's racism/homophobia/transphobia/etc. this is because they are surrounded by many, many examples of people (even admirable people) saying that all those things are wrong. Here, in a country where thinking orcs are people is very rare even a quarter of a century post-war, this kinf of anti-orc propaganda is going to stick. Luna simply shouldn't be saying this.

And I honestly can't say whether I admire Doctor Roane for saying her dental malformation isn't serious, or condemn her knowing full well what kind of reactions she would receive from almost every other person in the country.

Still, babby!Luna is cute. *squints sideways at {{Newspost}}* Mookie, are you trying to mock me? You don't have to say all those things. Hell, you know what? Without that stupid {{Newspost}} of yours this strip explains all of it aside from question five. And also question two (because that was hinted at in the previous strip). And question four was explained about half-a-dozen strips after this arc started.

It's just a shame Mookie can't draw faces. Luna's Stoned Gassy Toddler Face (SGTF) makes her look surprised when she should be looking sad. After all, you don't endure some fifteen years of emotional, mental and psychological abuse (with the intent of killing her daughter) without feeling sad after having started coming to terms with it.

Mookie, I've repeatedly lamented the way you skirt wonderful concepts, great characters, great development and so on and so forth, this is another occasion where your art and your facetious {{Newspost}} ruins what could easily have been an understated melancholic backstory. GG. And for God's sake, Luna's dress has a neckline. DRAW IT.

At least this is better (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-19). Almost heartwarming in fact. Plus Mama Travoria's bitchiness in p 3 is fantastic. Oh, she's still an abusive cow, but that's a wonderful panel. And how could a well-known alterist just disappear off the face of the earth like that? Especially when there's a School of Alterism. My best guess: Mama Travoria had her murderlised.

And p. 5 is just baffling. It shows Mookie can draw actual noses, but he persists with the pointy profile noses of pain. He's just mocking us now. And those boobs would give some serious lower back pain.

But this is still a good strip. Please bear in mind I read the entire backlog and my analyses in one shot, so when I say good strip I mean for DD. It sticks with continuity without an info-dump, it's wistful and melancholic and, for Mookie, the art is above average even if Luna's facial expressions in p. 2 and 4 are questionable. But overall, it's a fairly accurate description about how easy it is to become depressed and suicidal; one can only press on for so long until it becomes to much and . . . you just have to end it.

As for the review in the {{Newspost}}, eh. It's okay. Ish. It skims over a lot of issues, but I can't help but think the introductory paragraphs before talking directly about DD are just a stealthy condemnation of many of DD's flaws considering every single thing mentioned is a catalyst for a major story arc/piece of character development. Let's not discuss the review itself (http://www.tangents.us/2011/01/17/dominic-deegan-5/) as we could be here a while.

Hey Mookie. Hey. Hey. Heeeeey. In an arc decrying the objectification of women and people who are obsessed with their physical form, you shouldn't have gratuitous nudity (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-20) of your 'perfect' female character. And why did I specify women and people in general? Because all three alterists I remember seeing were women, the secretary early was female, and so were all but three customers. Yes, while I understand that at least partial nudity is required for some medical scans, you don't stand in such an awkward fashion. Holding your arms in that position for more than a few minutes is going to be painful. You know Mookie, it would actually be a lot more respectful to both the female form and magimedical practices if you just had her standing up or lying down without any of those stupid poses.

Also, the spank material (as I understand it is sometimes called) in the sample room isn't exactly conducive to masturbation. It's just boobs and butts; doesn't an alteration clinic have anything more . . . avant garde? Is that really all you get in porno mags? Boobs and butts? Well, and genitalia I suppose. But it's all so vanilla. And remember, these alterists can do anything as long as you pay, and there's nothing interesting. Mookie, you don't even have to show a picture, just a title. Wings and Things, Tongue Pleasures, Crack That Whip. I see racier things on the top shelf of my local shop!

I know from the {{Newspost}} the last couple of panels are meant to be humorous - 'oh look at Dominic, he's so funny', but those mags are so tame it's actually quite sad. While yes, the boobs are clearly implants, the butt just looks normal. So what I actually see is a man so sexually repressed and afraid of the naked female form that he actually cowers from it. This is . . . this is . . . I've seen a little over a dozen episodes of The Big Bang Theory, so don't quote me on this, but Sheldon Cooper is more comfortable with his and others sexuality, nudity and body than Dominic 'the Dominus' Deegan. And I'm fairly sure Sheldon is on the spectrum.

Yes, I understand and accept that there are some people who find nudity of any sort very uncomfortable, particularly that of the female form; but I don't think they'd run and hide from it. The ladies on the front cover are even clothed!

I just spent ten minutes discussing porno mags in Dominic Deegan. I've missed the insanity this webcomic brings into my work. And just ignoring that, the Dominus knew he was going to have to provide a sample so couldn't he (or the clinic for that matter) provide some Very Vanilla Mags for those who aren't into body modding?

So going in to help is fine. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-21) What I find creepy is the suggestion that one of the staff would go in, pose as someone and . . . assist. And in the case of those in a relationship . . . would the male unable to ejaculate know a stranger was 'assisting' him? At best the illusionist would be watching you. I think it's safe to say that most people would have even more difficulty producing a sample knowing the stranger in the room is watching.

What if you thought you partner was assisting you and then you end up saying "Thanks for the help in the sample room," and they have no idea what you were talking about?! Wouldn't that be rape of some sort?! Or sex under false pretences?

Either way, for a webcomic (presumably aimed mostly at older teenagers and over) that's afraid to show anything more racy than some women in swimwear on porno mags to then have the main characters partner go in and give an off-panel hand job is not sticking to its self-imposed rating. What's worse: a couple of porn mags or openly having your two main characters engage in sex just off-panel while someone's listening?

And as for the double fold-out, Mookie, it's your webcomic. You should have some sort of idea of what was on it when you drew it. Your imagination when it comes to sex is awful; you're clearly implying it's just a double double polaroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofl_UP3apM) (and those photos are exactly what's implied) in-comic and {{Newspost}}. No orgies? A good orgy could be a double fold-out easily. How about a very tall person lying down - no. No. I don't want to be told off by a mod.

Oh what. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-24) I called the {{Newspost}} before it happened. And what self-respecting internet hasn't at least heard of Red Dwarf (many)? So Mookie unwittingly ripped off Red Dwarf. Or, to put it another way: the punchline for the last strip was done better twenty-five years ago. And the thing is, right, the thing is the double polaroid was funny because the set up around it made sense and built up to the joke. And it had an additional punchline only thirty seconds later.

Plot? Eh, Luna's worried because she wants a chance to conceive children naturally. Because what if fixing it meant the children are unnatural? Because trying to fix a medical problem that actually has several forms of healing/circumvention is wrong. At least, that's what p. 3 is suggesting.

'Oh no, I can't naturally conceive children, and even though are possible solutions to this, it would be unnatural to try and fix something irreparable so I won't bother. After all, it's not as if I might actually want to conceive children with my beloved later on in life.' Just because Crystal Dragon Prophet Dragon made you infertile doesn't mean you have to obey what the Crystal Dragon Prophet Dragon said. Or are you seriously trying to say that if you can't naturally conceive children because some ~mystical force~ says you can't it is to be obeyed without question.

There's nothing wrong with [B]trying. What about surrogacy? Sperm/egg donations? Trying all the magimedical ways possible?

Adoption?

Personally Luna, speaking as someone whose chances of naturally conceiving are significantly less than average, and whose chances of miscarriage are much higher than average, I would love to be able to decide for myself whether I have a child, and be able to carry it to term. You shouldn't go around thinking 'oh this was meant to be, so I'll never try'. What kind of limp-wristed twit wouldn't even try?!

At least if you try all the magimedical ways of trying to conceive a children, and they're all fruitless (pardon my pun) you can adopt.

And what is with these impossibly vague time skips? 'Days later' indeed; is there anything that actually rests on this being so non-specific. Couldn't you just say 'a week later'? No?

Oh hey look, IVF and surrogacy. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-25) Also, I have a medical bone to pick with this. Ignoring ectopic pregnancies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy), the uterine wall must be healthy and able to sustain the embryo after it has implanted itself into the uterine lining; if the lining isn't thick or healthy enough the embyro either fails to attach or spontaneously aborts. This is, of course, massively simplified, and after a certain time period the foetus receives its nutrients from the placenta via umbilical cord. So what Doctor Caledonia is saying is that the uterine wall isn't strong enough to accept embryogenesis properly.

Oh God, I'm applying real world science to magical trauma. Either way, what Doctor Caledonia is suggesting is basically IVF. Which I had assumed earlier actually existed in this world, whereas he it's heavily suggested to be a revolutionary thing.

Egg and sperm donations really aren't that rare are they? Also, the science as is explained here suggests Luna herself wouldn't be able to carry the child because the egg would go back to 'sleep', so no donor eggs/IVF for her.

But seriously, IVF doesn't exist in this world even though the 'enhancements', 'transplants' and 'implants' spiel from earlier would suggest it would be. What.

And I've given up on the blushing. They're all blushing all the time. And for once, Luna's SGTF is actually appropriate. See, because even her eggs
are ~speshul snowflakes~ she'll be able to help others who can't have children. Not anyone else. Just her. And how would you decide who gets one of these miracle eggs with only a limited amount? Money? Need? Nobility?

Either way, Luna's eggs ain't going to be fertilised by the Dominus' sperm. His infertility is genetic (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-26), and Doctor Caledonia was certainly right when she said she doubted he'd want to undergo alterism to fix it. At least there's a sign he's willing to try to overcome his phobia for Luna.

But you know what would be funny? Male smokers have a 30% higher odds of infertility than non-smokers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_infertility#Tobacco_smoking) Remember all those jokes way back in the beginning about how he should give up smoking? What if they came back to bit the Dominus in the rear? Another wasted chance to use continuity, and bring less well-known information to a wider audience.

And why are the panel gaps so wide in this strip? It looks like he couldn't be bothered to even draw what little he normally does.

It is IVF (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-27). That's all it is. Just IVF. And Luna actually looks somewhat pretty in the last panel, shame about the bird-noses and STGFs in p. 4. And again, pointless 'cliffhanger'; she's going to do it. An - hey! ALL EGGS ARE DORMANT IN THE OVARIES. And Mookie just told me to {{Rock on and geek out}}. This makes me angrier.

Donating all of them (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-28)? At birth an ovary contains around one million oocytes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovary#Ovarian_aging) and only five hundred ovulate. Let's say then, that Luna's 'small number' of eggs is fifty. Yeah, ten percent. So why not ovarian tissue cryopreservation (http://myoncofertility.org/animations/ovarian_tissue_cryopreservation_basics)? Or . . . I just can't get over how IVF doesn't exist.

But Luna's decision. Argh. And her reasoning is just appalling. What? Did your Crystal Dragon Dragon do this to rub it in your face? (Probably) But what the Hell Luna? Not only did you make a unilateral decision on the spur of the moment you didn't discuss it with your partner who also has a stake in the decision about whether to have children or not.

I can understand donating eggs. I can understand choosing as a family to donate all your eggs (which is actually impossible as oocytes mature on a staggered basis) for the good of others. I can understand choosing not to have children by any means. Oh wait, the {{Newspost}} wants to clarify that only a few of her eggs are 'dormant' which is actually balls. Wait, does this mean Luna doesn't have periods? Because the only reason biological females bleed and leak massive blood clots and fleshy strings of dead tissue is because of the biological imperative. If, as Mookie says, all but a small number of her eggs are effectively dead, then the removal of these dormant eggs would mean Luna is post-menopausal.

GG Luna! No more period pains, mood swings, weight gain, water retention, and bleeding from the genitals for a quarter of the year!

I don't understand her reasoning. This reminds me of Maltak so I can't use this gift even though I'm barren. I'll give it to others! It's a good sentiment, the donating, but the reasoning is stupid. Perhaps it was a gift from Maltak to her. So she could have children.

And why didn't the Dominus get an opinion? This kind of thing can destroy a relationship! I'm guessing the Dominus never really wanted children if he could say that so fast. I'm still not blocking out fostering or adoption, but usually you know, not wanting children is kind of a deal breaker in a relationship isn't it?

I'd want some time myself no matter which side I was on. What if I decided later on that I wanted to have children that were at least partially biologically mine/my partners? I know it's not everything, but it'd be nice to have the chance if I changed my mind in a few years.

Repeat an eight-year-old joke Mookie (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-01-31) that's classy. I'm also pretty sure that boobs that big would cause more than lower back problems. The connective tissue holding the mammary tissues onto the torso would be under severe strain all the time (even with a proper reinforced bra), cleaning underneath them would be difficult, and neglecting to do so properly could cause infections and stop thinking about this.

There really isn't much to say is there? Except for that while a doctor who wore a cape would be cool, wearing a cape in an OR or for any kind of actual open surgery or non-consulting doctor thing would be terrible. It's an infection risk for one thing, it's bulky and cumbersome and could likely damage equipment or knock it onto the floor and decontaminate it. While these things likely aren't as big a problem in a world where magic exists, it's still stupid.

I think this joke or a variation upon it has appeared at least once a week for this arc (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-01). Stale material is stale, especially when reused so frequently. And fr no reason. But that last panel is strip slay gold. Just cut out the DOminus and then paste it over everything.

And the hypocritical Dominus strikes back. 'This really changed my views on alteration - not. Suckers!'

I'm going to miss Doctor Caledonia. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-02) She was a wonderful character, and probably one of the few immune to the Deegandrug. Plus her being LGBTQAetc. isn't the only facet of her character. Unlike Szark. He's gay you know. I think it was hinted at once or twice.

Does this mean Mookie's progressed as a writer? Or only that he was aware that treating trans . . .ness (is there a better word for this?) in such a way would get him killed. Metaphorically of course.

Luna, "we don't even know if we want kids" isn't 'we know for certain we don't want to have biological children'. Still, at least there's adoption. I just wish someone had brought it up in-comic. And yes, weddings are big, expensive things.

Wasn't Mookie planning his own wedding around this time? Because this is what I'm imagining happened in Casa del Mookie at the time. Stupid self-insert situations, but at least it's a common enough reaction. But as for paying for their wedding, why are they freaking out? It's common enough for families to pitch in right?

And Mama Machina runs a very well thought of magical academy. And Elanovan is an extremely famous bard (aka rock star), and let us not forget Smug Greg and his Facebook band. And surely the Dominus can extort money out of people, he's a world-famous Seer and saviour of the world.

And Luna (and the Dominus) are/were both tenured professors at said internationally famous magical academy, have both published lots of research; Luna's family is extremely rich, and although she was left nothing in her mother's will she still has sisters. Some of whom or dead or in prison meaning she has control of their wealth. And they were all insanely rich/very good at stealing things.

Where's the worry exactly?

And if you are that concerned with money just have the Callanian equivalent of a registry office wedding, and have a really good reception. Get your father/brother/their mates to do the music for cheap; get the cooks at your mother's university to do the catering on the cheap; hold the reception in one of the enormous halls at your mother's university and there you do.

Oh God Spark! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-03) I haven't seen you in literal in-comic years. That or I binged so fast I forgot. Nice to see your alive and able to mock your master's pain. As for the {{Newspost}} all wizards are squishy, some are just squishier than most. Especially your theoreticians and your Seers/Diviners.

Ooh! Oooh! Oooh! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-04) I remember this strip! This is that really, really controversial one where Mookie implied that your children are only truly yours if they carry your genetic material! After all, fostering, adoption, surrogacy and the like don't give you real children. For someone who's been a writer for almost a decade you should know how to proofread. That's not saying there aren't actual published writers and script writers who don't also make big ****-ups, but still.

At least you went back and changed it. Although . . . oocytes/eggs don't work that way. Or rather, they do, but it's never results in a successful pregnancy in humans. They're called molar (http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/molar-pregnancy/Pages/Introduction.aspx) pregnancies (http://www.miscarriageassociation.org.uk/information/causes-tests-and-treatment/). The complete molar (where the egg contains no genetic material) and the partial molar both create abnormal foetuses which often require an operation to remove the molar tissue. But the molar tissue can continue to grow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydatidiform_mole) for up to five months.

And only five eggs? Okay, that one time. But eggs, as I've said before, mature in stages (which is why females have periods), so there should be more eggs like that in a month or two unless Luna's now perfectly post-menopausal. And really five. You don't decide that sort of thing. You just don't.

'Hey, infertile couples of Callan, guess what, we have five eggs that would carry your genetic material and not a donor's. Who wants a miracle child?' Bloodbath. The appeal process for this would take literal decades. How do you decide this? How much money? Who needs it most? Why? Why does Couple A deserves it more than Couple B? Who is more capable of raising a child? Why did Luna's eggs have to be special (also did they mention this miracle property to Luna and the Dominus? No. So this is also ethically dubious. 'We're just going to take this tissue sample which contains really rare things and not tell you the truth kthxbai.') at all? Couldn't she just have these 'dormant eggs' without the fill-in-your-genetic-material-here property?

Overall thoughts?

Mostly rage and frustration. I do like Doctor Caledonia, but so much of this arc is so stupid. Decisions were made too fast; the ~speshul snowflake~ properties of the eggs shouldn't have existed; let's not even get into the whole 'Let's Talk About Luna's Infertility and How It - PSYCH! It NEVER MATTERED IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THE DOMINUS IS SHOOTING BLANKS!'

It's nice that male infertility was addressed because it so seldom is in other forms of media, but when your arc is about LUNA'S INFERTILITY you don't automatically degrade it to talk about her partner's infertility making her problems null and void! YOU DON'T!

This arc sucked, which is a shame because there honestly are some good moments (and even art) and characters. I suppose the Serious Issues brought up here were treated more respectfully than usual, and Doctor Caledonia is by far one of the nicest characters in the comic, but that makes the idiocy stand out all the more.

Next up: the plot returns! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-07) Anyone else remember the impending Doom of Snugglythulu? No? Don't worry, I didn't either.

*Ages as defined by Trazoi here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9365837&postcount=479). Remember, all dates use the dd/mm/yyyy format!
**Avvie designed by ninja_penguin, many thanks for letting me use it.

EDIT:

@Vinyaden: the poet slays were very interesting, and I agree with Inane Octopus about The Waste Land I, l. 19 - 30 fitting that strip far better than the original dialogue. Could only better better if Necro!Orc was cut out and a random human was inserted, but you can't have everything.
You should try to fit l. 44 - 59 in somewhere. It is after all about a Seer. It'd be a cut and paste panels from different strips together though unless you find something particularly apt.

MReav
2013-05-28, 03:21 PM
Unlike Szark. He's gay you know. I think it was hinted at once or twice.


Wait, Szark is gay?

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-28, 03:25 PM
Wait, Szark is gay?

It was very subtle, only mentioned in a panel or two years ago and never outright. He flirted with the Dominus and winked at him suggestively.
You really have to admire Mookie's subtlety when it comes to characterisation.

SaintRidley
2013-05-28, 03:45 PM
Ah, Curly's back!

And now I need to look into Red Dwarf, because that's completely new to me.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-28, 07:46 PM
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan

The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336”) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769”) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250”) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction


Let the experiment proceed!**
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Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Okay, that's an awesome chapter title, even if it sounds more like the title of a metal/symphonic metal song. And why are all the actual plot arcs so short?

Surprisingly enough, Symphony of Destruction takes place on the Plane of Destruction (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-07), and I don't know whether or not to mock the fact that the Dominus has to stress it's a metaphysical plane. After all, it's not like this was covered in Storm of Souls, The War in Hell and one or two of the arcs based in Mama Machina's school. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure there's a literal Plane of Destruction somewhere in D&D and other tabletop games.

But this is fairly promising; the plot's come back, and these out-of-body experiences do tend to have more interesting artwork than usual. Aaaand interesting artwork is provided! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-08) I particularly like how the explosions are shattering the panels representing the Dominus' mind. That said, eruption ring? Really. Really. And, well, I think I've seen this before. I honestly do. Deja vu. I do feel somewhat let down by Mookie's literal interpretation of destruction though (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-09), it's just giant frickin' laser beams. They not even attached to sharks. Wouldn't it be so much cooler if the plane of destruction was eternally devouring itself, and the energy sparked from this interaction creates more matter to be devoured?

And how can one See on another Plane? A metaphysical one at that. See, metaphysics of the philosophical type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics) (as opposed to the religious/supernatural type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics_%28beyond_natural_law%29)) is concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world right? There's a specific form of metaphysics called ontology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology) which is about the nature of being, becoming and reality in general, with a specific focus on categories. So 'this apple is red', but what is 'red', how is 'red' defined?', 'why?'

So in the Deeganverse everything is made up of Creation, Law, Order, Balance, Chaos, Disharmony, Destruction and a few others. Additionally, the planes themselves sound very alike to actual esoteric planes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28cosmology). More specifically, these metaphysical planes seem to be strongly related to emanationism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanationism) with the Universe Factory (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2005-05-07) being the First Principle from which all others are derived. In some ways being somewhat reminiscent of the Four Worlds of the Sephirot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Worlds), although very basically.

This then arguably leads into esoteric cosmology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_cosmology) as well as, for this 'verse, physical cosmology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology_%28metaphysics%29#Metaphysical_cosmology ) as these planes actually do exist as separate physical dimensions as well as mental ones. However, being that the Dominus is expressly visiting the metaphysical manifestation of Destruction (which would possibly involve entropy as well), how can he predict things? Sight, second or otherwise, involves looking into another time frame, as opposed to scrying which is usually focused on the present, but in another physical location.

And a metaphysical plane (or an esoteric one) does not appear to have a temporal sense. What happens happens. So can one See on a metaphysical plane? I highly doubt that.

. . . Wow. I just did that didn't I? And I still can't find a link showing the Universe Factory. Probably because I binged the whole thing and everything got blended together so I ended up reading about Jacob being awesome and figuring out the Nakta instead. I miss Jacob. Found it. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2005-05-07) I put waaaay too much thought and effort into this.

Point is, is I don't think the Sight would work in a metaphysical plane like that. And Mookie {{your Newspost made it so very obvious the Dominus won't "be as slick" as he was there throughout the rest of this arc}}

AAAAAaaaaggghhh! What is wrong with the Dominus' face (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-10)?! That's just hideous. Snugglethulu looks even more adorable as a result, oh, I do hope he finds Venus soon. And do I even want to talk about the {Newspost}} where he confesses to enjoying taking photographs of 'drowned' women floating arse up in a pool (http://www.deathblossoms.com/index.html)? Or the one next to it demonstrating either an extreme anorexic or a woman dead from starvation.

What do you know, eldritch abominations can learn from past experiences (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-11). Although it does somewhat lessen the 'threat' Snugglethulu poses by anthropomorphising it and giving it armour! Because an eldritch abomination truly has something to fear from one weak human. Sometimes I just wish Snugglethulu would go all tabletop on them and force them to roll for SAN damage for every encounter vaguely related to it. Not that going completely mental would be noticeable in this 'verse, but still.

No. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-14) Just no. That art is terrible. The perspective is lazy and such thick bold lines around the right hand show just how terrible at drawing hands Mookie is. Same old art (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-15), nothing really all that interesting. And look, I know enough metaphysics and 'metaphysics' to know that one cannot perform the opposite of that plane's purpose. Even though destruction creates energy in order to create more destruction. It's markedly less creation than destruction, true, but something is still created even if only energy.

But the song linked in the {{Newspost}} is very nice indeed, even if I did flashback to Epic Rap Battles of History a bit there.

N'aawwww teddy bear (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-16). And, le sigh, not only am I told to {{Rock on}}, but that he did indeed create a teddy bear for a purpose and isn't completely insane. Well, any more unhinged than usual. And how can Mookie make eldritch abominations dull to look at? Blah, blah, blah two opposites can never meet (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-16), blah blah blah. Oh look, Mookie has a twitter and he just told me to {{Rock on and geek out}}. Here Mookie, have a metaphysical punch to the face. That's just not cool.

Looking at his twitter, it's been more than two years since he linked his twitter and he only has two and a half thousand followers. And he's still giving a panel on writing unique heroes and memorable villains. Well, at least some of his villains are memorable.

Oh right. Artwork. The Dominus doesn't have pupils in his eyes and the teddy bear's ears are mismatched and the poor bear lacks any facial features except I've found the DOminus' missing pupils.

Insect-lobster (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-18). At least the perspective here gives us a good view of the scale of the thing. And yet again, we have proof that when Mookie actually puts effort into his art it can actually be decent. The Destroyer is nicely detailed and has a unique design, so when you compare it to the DOminus' exceptionally ugly looking face in this strip it just shows how half-hearted Mookie actually is when it comes to his eight year long epic work. It's a shame really. And I can't believe that ploy worked. And of course the Dominus didn't think about the size of the thing first either.

And the scale's been ruined (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-21). The previous comic the Dominus was tiny, but you could still make out his legs, torso and even head even when the 'camera' was pulled far back enough to actually show the entire Destroyer, but in the close up of just its head the Dominus is even tinier than he was beforehand!

And by the way, it would be a mental projection and a physical manifestation, get your terminology right. You cannot a physical form unless it is being thrown. That or it's a part extending outwards beyond a prevailing boundary.

Oh hey look, it's a Predator (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-22). Woo. Creativity. I don't even think a mental projection would have an effect on a physical form either. Given, you know, the DOminus' previous mental form was dismembered, and he still has all his limbs, so why should shattered mental ear drums be carried over into the physical ones? Obvious joke is obvious (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-23) and makes no sense because your dismembered mental limbs were also caused by the Destroyer but you still have your physical limbs. And I really can't stop thinking of Thor whenever I type the word Destroyer. I don't even. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-24) I just don't even.

Oh hey look, the chapter title is/will be a song title. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-25) For Facebath. In all fairness it does sound pretty epic. In theory. And oh look, called it. The Place of Entropy and Annihilation.

Overall thoughts?
If you didn't already guess, the ideas are intriguing, but so poorly constructed that they tend to fall apart if you put too much thought into them. Or, in my case, if you've read enough esoteric, arcane or obscure literature. But even if you don't think about world design and so forth, how do you make a titanic clash between a Lovecraftian horror and a mere human (no matter how powerful) on a plane of Destruction dull, slow and lacking in action. There was more suspense felt when (SPOILERS) we found out the Order of the Stick was under an illusion spell! I've been less invested in a fight, yes, but usually because it was a Michael Bay film (it was Battleship and I knew it would suck. Don't look at me like that!) and couldn't make out what was happening anyway.

And why are the actual arcs that move the actual plot forward so short! This next arc is about FACEBATH and it lasts three weeks. FACEBATH PEOPLE.

Next up: oh Christ on a bike. Z-lister characters in Smug Greg's metal band. Do they even have names?


*Ages as defined by Trazoi here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9365837&postcount=479). Remember, all dates use the dd/mm/yyyy format!
**Avvie designed by ninja_penguin, many thanks for letting me use it.

Coidzor
2013-05-28, 07:51 PM
Then I'm back baby.[/austin powers]
@MReav: I'll be taking that Mr. Scruffy toy now. :smalltongue:

Now to re-read the entire thing and/or my analyses before getting back into the thing. Or perhaps I'll finish off the infertility arc first. Not like I need, you know, a backstory or anything for it.

YESSSSSSSSS

SaintRidley
2013-05-28, 08:19 PM
Fun fact: Symphony of Destruction is a Megadeth song (happens to have been covered by Arch Enemy - I much prefer the cover, in no small part thanks to just disliking Megadeth).

So yes, it is a metal song.

PhantomFox
2013-05-29, 06:34 PM
Yay for the analysis! Remind me what arcs are next? I think is around the point where I stopped reading and poked my head in every now and against to see exactly what the thread was referring to.

Helanna
2013-05-29, 06:38 PM
Hello Curly! Just wanted to say how very, very happy I am that you're continuing your reviews here! And I also wanted to say thank you, because I've been looking for a more effective way to communicate the awfulness of having a period and this is going to help a lot.


Because the only reason biological females bleed and leak massive blood clots and fleshy strings of dead tissue is because of the biological imperative.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-29, 08:37 PM
Ah, Curly's back!

And now I need to look into Red Dwarf, because that's completely new to me.

Really? Well, in that case, it's a (relatively) hard sci-fi comedy made on and off from the mid-eighties. And if you can't tell, 'tis British.
Basic synopsis: er, the last man alive is a lazy slob of a Scouser, and his only companions are a hologram of his hated roommate and a humanoid who evolved from his pet cat. They're three million years away from Earth and are trying to get back.
Funnier than it sounds.


YESSSSSSSSS

You exulted?


Fun fact: Symphony of Destruction is a Megadeth song (happens to have been covered by Arch Enemy - I much prefer the cover, in no small part thanks to just disliking Megadeth).

So yes, it is a metal song.

Huh.
I don't know how I feel about that revelation. On the one hand, it's a Brick Joke; on the other hand, the title didn't fit the situation as well as it could have.


Yay for the analysis! Remind me what arcs are next? I think is around the point where I stopped reading and poked my head in every now and against to see exactly what the thread was referring to.

Well you're back now for the denouement.


Hello Curly! Just wanted to say how very, very happy I am that you're continuing your reviews here! And I also wanted to say thank you, because I've been looking for a more effective way to communicate the awfulness of having a period and this is going to help a lot.

I'm happy to be back too! If let down by the mediocrity of the arcs covered so far.
I'm also vastly amused by what you decided to quote. I actually cut that description down just a little bit.

WARNING: spoiled for being very in-depth and quite disgusting. Read on at your own risk.

For those of you who are not biologically female, the average period lasts about five days. Not including PMT. PMT is when your hormones really start going mental and, as cliched as it sounds, you become a lot more prone to tears and other emotional outbursts. Frankly, it's appalling.
And then you get what a period actually is.
As I mentioned in the review, a womb prepares for babies by thickening the lining of the uterus, and after a failed fertile period it begins to decompose and rot very quickly. Yeah, that period that's so often mocked in media is caused when decomposing flesh begins to bleed and seep out of biological female's genitals.
And you can get clots and stringy bits in the 'normal' constant blood flow. These clots and stringy bits are, need I reiterate, the biological female's body flushing out rotting flesh. Typically, when that happens someone is seriously ill.
Then of course you have to change the way you dress for these times of constant oozing. You're not likely to want to wear skirts during these times, or light colours in case of leakage. Because even if you wear pads or tampons (or both at once) a particularly heavy flow or just sitting in a comfortable position or standing up to soon can create well, a red sea that overcomes the barriers so to speak. Or because you were simply caught unawares (which is very problematic if you're one of the lucky ones who just don't get period pains) and don't have any pads or tampons. And might not be in a position to get any either.
And menstrual blood is a bitch to get out of clothing. Not to mention humiliating if you happen to live with anyone, and especially if it's a mixed gender household. Or if it happens in public and you're forced to walk around for hours knowing that there's hours old blood and rotting flesh just pooling up down there and there's no way to clean it until you get home. Or somewhere with an accommodating female.
Of course, even if you have your pad/tampon/cup (although that's just disgusting and made me full-out shudder the first time I heard of them), you still have to remove them and dispose of them.
And that Toxic Shock Syndrome you might have heard about? When your tampon is forgotten about or it gets too far in and you can't pull it out? That's because there's a very absorbent piece of fabric stuffed up your vagina, full of rotting flesh and blood polluting your insides.

So the next time a biological female of your acquaintance is acting tetchy or out of sorts, remember: it's because she could leaking rotting flesh out of her genitals and this is not pleasant.

All for the biological imperative.

And you biological males think wet dreams or hard-ons can be awkward to work around.

Yeah, that's why I cut a lot out. This, by the way, is coming from someone who doesn't get period pains or half the 'usual' side effects of periods. Wait until you talk to someone who has been hospitalised because the pain was just. that. bad.

Traab
2013-05-29, 09:00 PM
I just wanted to nitpick one small part of the nimmel arc. I actually understood why nimmel jumped into that fight. I mean, beyond the whole "showing these beast people what an ass kicking truly is" That was HIS puppy getting attacked by the rabid bitch. No true dog owner would stand back and let their puppy get mauled! Even if it was putting up a decent fight, you still bust out a shovel and cave in some rabid skull! :smallbiggrin: In a slightly more serious way, I dont know about you, but if my friend was being attacked for daring to side with me, I would jump in too.

But yeah, wow, that whole strip about emotion crazed beast people just basically shattered any decent meaning the arc could have been meant to have. I mean, it started out making a sort of sense, "Ok, I like seasonal magic, I will go to a cold magic school and learn seasonal magic, and learn about a new culture, badass win all the way around." Only to learn its apparently a standard school, as we NEVER see any wolves other than danny boy use magic, he apparently thinks they are one step above stupid pets, and he already is so awesome with seasonal magic the teachers want him to teach them.

About the only thing I can think of that he DIDNT totally screw up was, at least he didnt use excessive force. After all, the wolves were pretty much fine by the time he started to slip into his funk, he basically did the equivalent of pinning them in place till they calmed down. (them being emotion crazed beast people and all, it must happen alot)

The Troubadour
2013-05-29, 10:34 PM
I wasn't around the first time for these analyses, but I've just read them all and loved them! :-)

Kwatsu
2013-05-29, 11:41 PM
Yay, more Curly analyses! Always a ride on the Carousel of Awesome. :smallsmile:

Helanna
2013-05-30, 11:00 AM
I'm happy to be back too! If let down by the mediocrity of the arcs covered so far.
I'm also vastly amused by what you decided to quote. I actually cut that description down just a little bit.

WARNING: spoiled for being very in-depth and quite disgusting. Read on at your own risk.

For those of you who are not biologically female, the average period lasts about five days. Not including PMT. PMT is when your hormones really start going mental and, as cliched as it sounds, you become a lot more prone to tears and other emotional outbursts. Frankly, it's appalling.
And then you get what a period actually is.
As I mentioned in the review, a womb prepares for babies by thickening the lining of the uterus, and after a failed fertile period it begins to decompose and rot very quickly. Yeah, that period that's so often mocked in media is caused when decomposing flesh begins to bleed and seep out of biological female's genitals.
And you can get clots and stringy bits in the 'normal' constant blood flow. These clots and stringy bits are, need I reiterate, the biological female's body flushing out rotting flesh. Typically, when that happens someone is seriously ill.
Then of course you have to change the way you dress for these times of constant oozing. You're not likely to want to wear skirts during these times, or light colours in case of leakage. Because even if you wear pads or tampons (or both at once) a particularly heavy flow or just sitting in a comfortable position or standing up to soon can create well, a red sea that overcomes the barriers so to speak. Or because you were simply caught unawares (which is very problematic if you're one of the lucky ones who just don't get period pains) and don't have any pads or tampons. And might not be in a position to get any either.
And menstrual blood is a bitch to get out of clothing. Not to mention humiliating if you happen to live with anyone, and especially if it's a mixed gender household. Or if it happens in public and you're forced to walk around for hours knowing that there's hours old blood and rotting flesh just pooling up down there and there's no way to clean it until you get home. Or somewhere with an accommodating female.
Of course, even if you have your pad/tampon/cup (although that's just disgusting and made me full-out shudder the first time I heard of them), you still have to remove them and dispose of them.
And that Toxic Shock Syndrome you might have heard about? When your tampon is forgotten about or it gets too far in and you can't pull it out? That's because there's a very absorbent piece of fabric stuffed up your vagina, full of rotting flesh and blood polluting your insides.

So the next time a biological female of your acquaintance is acting tetchy or out of sorts, remember: it's because she could leaking rotting flesh out of her genitals and this is not pleasant.

All for the biological imperative.

And you biological males think wet dreams or hard-ons can be awkward to work around.

Yeah, that's why I cut a lot out. This, by the way, is coming from someone who doesn't get period pains or half the 'usual' side effects of periods. Wait until you talk to someone who has been hospitalised because the pain was just. that. bad.

Sheer brilliance. I'm saving this post and the next time I need to effectively communicate the awfulness, this is what I'll use. :smallbiggrin:

The Troubadour
2013-05-30, 08:44 PM
I do feel I should point out, though, that Mookie uses "enchantment" in Dungeons & Dragons terms, that is: any spell that affects the mind. It's not an excuse (particularly since his mother did fool him with an illusion in the Ecstasy & Evil arc), just an explanation.

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2013-05-30, 11:12 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay Curly wrote things!

My day is made.

random11
2013-05-31, 12:48 AM
Great to have you back Curly, I'm eagerly expecting your cover of the twin arcs.

Glad you managed to finish the... Well, "the arc that must not be named"

Zaq
2013-05-31, 12:55 AM
Ah, Curly. You make everything better. There's a lot of stupid ahead. A lot. You'll have plenty of rich material to tear into, at least.

Ravens_cry
2013-05-31, 02:12 AM
Man, you guys could give AM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddX9hnhDS4) a run for his money when it comes to Hatedom.
Now that the comic is over, can you just . . . let it die?

ThirdEmperor
2013-05-31, 02:35 AM
Did you really pop in just to say that? I don't see why you felt compelled to come down to a snark thread and ask us why we don't stop snarking.

But to answer your question- I imagine it has something to do with the fact that some people here have been reading since shortly after the comic began. Three thousand pages of DD and nearly as much snarking later, here we are, the comic is over, but that doesn't mean we're all going to stop instantly.

After all that time we've got some complaints to raise in as humorous a manner possible, perhaps even some residual fondness to express. Not to mention that Curly is doing reviews and analysis of all the comics since she stopped last time, which is always a good read.

In short, we snark because the badness that was and is DD cannot be erased in so short a time.

SaintRidley
2013-05-31, 02:36 AM
Man, you guys could give AM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddX9hnhDS4) a run for his money when it comes to Hatedom.
Now that the comic is over, can you just . . . let it die?

Hatedom? We would have quit years ago if we actually hated the comic. Besides, it's been a shambling corpse for years now. Just because the zombie stops moving toward you doesn't mean you treat it as if it's not there. Also, this thread gets to be a shambling corpse now, which is always fun.

Vinyadan
2013-05-31, 06:59 AM
Man, you guys could give AM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddX9hnhDS4) a run for his money when it comes to Hatedom.
Now that the comic is over, can you just . . . let it die?

I don't think it's hatedom, although many here hate Dom. The comic is so grotesquely badly made, that you cannot stop laughing at it just because it's done.

Also, critical analysis is better done on a complete work.

Yes, it's like the guy with the little chestbuster in him, begging to be killed; but it is the Raul Bova version here. When he died, the public performed a standing ovation.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-05-31, 09:44 AM
Bad news, nobody. A-Kon's change of venue lead to me ragequitting and returning my tickets for a refund (20 dollars a day for parking? That dog won't hunt, monseigneur) so I won't get to say hi to Mookie and congratulate him on finishing this mess.

Guess I'll send him an email.

The Troubadour
2013-05-31, 10:59 AM
Not to mention that Curly is doing reviews and analysis of all the comics since she stopped last time, which is always a good read.

I'll say! I don't even consider myself a snarker, and I loved reading her analyses. I'm eager for more!

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-31, 02:14 PM
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan

The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
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Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336”) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769”) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250”) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15343520&postcount=108) Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath


Let the experiment proceed!**
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Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath
So remember that giant Lovecraftian monster out to destroy the world? The one that has the capacity to mind-control people and infiltrate Hell, break through DMC-Siggy's mind-control - the mind control placed by the KING OF HELL, the thing that has killed several of the most powerful archmages in the multiverse?

No?

Well, clearly Mookie's bored of . . . the Snarl . . . and impending Doom, because we have an arc about Z-list characters from Smug Greg's (now a D-list character) band. This isn't going to be even tangentially related to the actual plot of the story will it?

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

Teenage wangst (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-02-28) and so much cheeky mouth. And one or both of the z-listers want to talk to our Messianic couple. Also, note that "tusky" is still used as a perjorative, meaning that racism/ableism is still very much a-go in Callan. That said, I'm pretty sure Tusk has that tusk-tooth curse and isn't part-orc. You can tell because he's not depicted as a noble savage. And I think the other guy is an elf.

Yay, suspiciously PC metal band. And this guessing is after reading the entire comic, that's how little impact they made on me. Elf and Tusk it is then because there's nothing like condemning a country for racism/speciesism/ableism and then being hypocritical about it!

Anyone remember when there was so much to snark at in every strip? Now it seems like all I can say is 'blah blah blah, art's sucky as normal, and that was almost adequate'. Even the unjokes are less funny than normal.

Ah, never mind. The next page brings us back on form (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-01). Academic elitism. See, Tusk borrowed some of the Dominus' mythology books because he valued them as stories to provide inspiration, much in the same way that (if we stick just to music here) most bands even loosely classified as metal/symphonic metal/epic metal and so on have used myths and great works or literature.

Blind Guardian has numerous songs influenced by LotR, Alice in Wonderland, The Iliad and Odyssey, bardic tradition, the Arthurian cycles (because it's practically a requirement), Norse mythology to works as recent as ASoIaF and The Wheel of Time. They've even used the Bible, Nietszche and The Ring Cycle. This is me listing the influences of a band of which I am only a casual fan. The reason I chose this band above all other metal/metallish bands is because it seems to be the best fitting real-world analogue for 'Facebath' that I know of.

And let's be honest, if I were to drop the 'metal music' requirement from that we'd be drowning in examples.

So where in all the Hells does the Dominus get off in being annoyed that Tusk is reading the myths for inspiration to create his own story?! When, by doing so it could encourage others to seek out the original stories and, perhaps, develop a love of a mythology or culture they might not have otherwise heard of.

Because adapting a work for a wider audience is annoying, degrading and 'worthless'.

Because, Heavens forbid, writing your own interpretation of a myth or story is wrong.

Because mythologies only exist as the basis of theories about # (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth) and a hypothetical 'collective conciousness'. Because they only exist for academics to use in ways to further various psychological, cultural, religious etc. theories.

I have sat here for about half an hour thinking about whether to expound upon why the Dominus' attitude is stupid. I did this knowing that, really, the only reason it rankles me so much is his expression in the last panel. 'Oh you think reading widely about other culture's beliefs, histories and myths is so tolerant of you, you song-writing, plagiarising, ignorant human.' Way to insult Tusk's hobbies, researching skills and song-writing choices. And remember, this is Callan where multiculturalism is frowned upon. AS A TEACHER the Dominus should be pleased that a non-academic person in their twenties is researching other cultures in order to bring them to the attention of a wider audience. But no. Because Tusk's interest in myths isn't purely as an abstract, it's only in order to 'degrade' it for writing popular music; therefore Tusk's hobbies are bad.

What's more, it's quite literally insulting everything creative. From this point on you can read myths and stories as more or less the same thing.

As someone who loves to read, and at uni specialised in medieval languages and literature, let's discuss mythologies and their adaptations (because this comic has found a button and pushed it (and I think it's more interesting that the comic itself (quelle suprise))). But first, a detour; Mookie {{claims}} that Arturo Capella is a 'not so subtle' reference to well-know theorist Joseph Campbell whose work on mythologies is, frankly, enormous and influential. A. Capella is not an obvious reference to Joseph Campbell. A. Capella to me, suggests a (deeper) musical joke than the obvious. The only thing Campbell and Capella have in common are the letters. I also note that Baro has no real world counterpart when Wikipedia can give a very basic summary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth#Criticism). Nothing like failing to take a reference to the next step.

After a quick read, I think I'm going to spoiler this little tangent, because it's somewhat of an author filibuster provoking beserk button, feel free to read/skim if you want.

I have actually read (and/or discussed) some of Campbell's theories. They are indeed interesting, and one simple diagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heroesjourney.svg) can outline almost every fictional work, and a lot of biographies. And really, I do like the concept of the monomyth (which is what the Dominus fails to explain clearly), even though it has a lot of flaws. Nonetheless, it is one of the appeals of using literature (especially myths and fairy tales) to start learning about a different culture. You recognise the core of the story, and everything else is the cultural flavour text. And I think most people realise it on their own after a bit of reading. How can this Chinese story be Cinderella? They're separated by continents and centuries?!

That is how adaptations happen. And cultural appropriation/diffusion/assimilation. As a European I grew up on Greco-Roman, Norse and Egyptian mythologies, European fairy tales, and the home grown stuff. The first time I even heard of Anansi (by that name) was when I read Gaiman's American Gods for the first time. And from that I recognised that those Brer Rabbit cartoons in Song of the South were based on Anansi myths.

By contrast, I was absolutely astounded when an American acquaintance of mine had never heard of Frigga, Hoenir, Heimdall, Thrym, Demeter, Persephone/Proserpine, Bast, Seth and Atun, let alone the Morrigan, Cernunnos or the Tuatha de Danann or the lesser known Arthurian tales. But they knew all about the things I have to loosely class 'American mythology' as it incorporates all the myths native and 'imported' from elsewhere in the world.

I'm British and my myths are not always the myths of Americans, and vice versa. Many of Britain's myths have much more in common with Western European myths, simply because of association. To take p. 8 of this strip as the example: a brave hero fights a dragon and dies in the process; a heroic sacrifice. Literally, my very first thought was 'Beowulf' even though what's described isn't exactly how Beowulf died. And then Sigurd fighting Fafnir even though Sigurd lives. Or Thor fighting Jormungandr, slaying the serpent only to die himself. Note my Anglo-Saxon/Norse bias.

Reinventing and rereading myths is what humanity does. As a culture changes, so too do our opinions on the events and characters in the myths. To use the internet's favourite demi-God: Loki! (And yes, this will be very simple)

Pre-Christianity he seems to have been (given we have few written records reliably dated to a pre-Christian time for Scandinavian cultures) a fey, capricious trickster who did what he wanted primarily because he wanted to, or because someone forced him to.

Then post-Christianity, and maybe based on drawings of his horned helmet and influenced by his more evil/sadistic stories he became a Satan analogue, brought about Ragnarok and was severely punished for his various misdeeds. Because he was a pagan God with a bad reputation this carried on for a long time.

Then several things happened. One: cultures began to change, so that being a guile hero who uses trickery to outwit his opponents rather than brute force became admirable. Sometimes even moreso than using simple brute force.

Two: the Thor comics brought Loki to an even wider audience. Which happily tied in with LotR and mythology/romance becoming popular in both academic and popular cultures.

Three: sympathy for the Devil. People looked at the myths and material about Loki and thought 'I like this guy, why was he punished so much?' and so alternate character interpretation. Did he deserve these punishments? Why were the other gods so cruel to him when he did as they asked? Okay, maybe he did deserve the poison in the eyes thing, but to kill his children to chain him to the rock (in a Prometheus analogue to boot!), that's just wrong.

And then in 2011 there was a movie released all about Loki even though it was called Thor and the internet said 'All he needs is a hug'. Now I ask you to go to the Thor/Avenger/Iron Man/you get the idea subsections of ff.net and set these setting: Ratings: all; Language: English; Character A: Loki, leaving all the others as default.

On the first page, you will find at least five stories that either set out to redeem Loki; say he was mind-controlled in Avengers; lay a large part of the blame on his family and other shades of those themes. That and an absolutely enormous amount of OCs/Loki is redeemed by wuv.

Literature is as much a cycle as history, and all myths have been adapted. While these adaptations may not be as good as the original (or are better), they nonetheless demonstrate an interaction with the myths that encourage another look at the work itself, culture and humanity. To choose a controversial movie adaptation, Beowulf isn't a very good film, nor is it especially good if you know the source material. A lot of people hate the Angelina Jolie Is Grendel's Mother concept, as well as the idea that Beowulf has children with her. But both these ideas actually have a basis in the text (not the Angelina bit, but the 'Grendel's mother didn't appear a completely hideous monster' bit). In particular the children idea comes from the specific Old English vocabulary used to describe their fight. It is very physical, there is actual hairpulling (and the phrase 'fair flax(en hair) certainly suggest an element of attractiveness) and it has been said by critics that it is a very sexualised fight.

The film Beowulf is a reading on the poem that, while not necessarily worth looking it, or widely accepted, is nonetheless based on a person or group's interpretation of the myth. Not very good (although there are some humorous in-jokes if you know your Anglo-Saxon culture and Beowulf criticism), but if it gets people into reading the poem, and maybe even other Old English works, that's a good thing.

Sadly, the Dominus' attitude is one that is somewhat prevalent amongst the snobbier academics. I once got marked down in a university essay because one of the sources I mentioned was Good Omens even though I was discussing apocalypses/the Book of Revelation because, and I quote, 'this is hardly the sort of material you want to use in an essay'.

IF MONTY PYTHON SKETCHES ARE VALID DISCURSIVE MATERIAL ON ARTHURIAN LITERATURE THEN SO IS GOOD OMENS.

Fortunately, most academics aren't like that, so when they are it annoys everyone. Even my tutor agreed that I had a valid point, although it could have been expanded to discuss other topics relevant to my essay in order to clarify a point.

Sometimes I think I should read a whole arc before starting these, because the next page makes my rant semi-pointless (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-02). Tusk actually likes mythology theory as well as myths themselves. However, I think it still degrades people who read mythology for the sake of a good story. It is, in fact, very possible for people to read mythologies - even those drastically different from their 'natural' ones, and still enjoy them.

I also can't quite believe that Seers/Oracles are that rare/notorious that people can become star struck just meeting them. Many real world temples had oracles. The oracle of Delphi being by far the most famous, and then you have the Sibyline Oracles. Or the fact that some of the oldest writings in China stem from oracle bones.

But let's say that in this case a Seer/Oracle is simply someone skilled at Divination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divination), which seems to be the case in the Deeganverse. If a Seer is worthy of so much respect, why in the Hell were the people of Lynne's Brook, and generally of Callan, so dismissive of his skills? Why, exactly, was the Dominus able to teach a specialised class in Seeing to about six people at his mother's university? Why do we practically trip over Seers every other arc? If being a Seer was so uncommon, why did a middle-of-nowhere Hellhole like Lynne's Brook have a resident Seer?

Perhaps if Tusk made it clear it was oracles, I'd still say Celesto 'Venus' Morgan was an Oracle (and more proactive than the Dominus). And we still run into the problem of 'if Oracles are virtually mythological why do people vacillate between treating him as a god and as a complete ****?' I mean, back when Siggy was still Siggy and the Dominus was 'just' a Seer Siggy still repeatedly beat the Dominus like a piñata. Hardly conveying the idea that Seers and Oracle are worthy of respect.

That said, I can understand being star struck, so I'll let his behaviour go. Even if not admitting to having read something is probably worse than admitting to having read something. After all, there aren't many people who'd have read an entire critics body of work on a subject; so even if you weren't 'as good' as someone else it's still better than normal. And honestly Tusk, if it weren't for the fact you were talking to the Dominus and not just an academic, I'd say it's better to admit to not understanding certain concepts and getting them explained.

But as we all know, the Dominus is a condescending git even to people who worship him or want to actively help him, so pretending not to know something you actually do know was probably a good idea.

Let's not talk about the awkward teenaged gaucheness of p. 8 though. Although Luna needs to put a bra on.

Hehe, Tusk's name is {{Randy Thrasher}} (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-03). Talk about separated by a common language. And I completely forgot how much Smug Greg looked like a girl (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-05-06) back then. Also, p. 5 of the actual strip slays me. You saw that and admired her for keeping her tusks. I saw that and I thought STGF. That and 'this is so wrong of me, but she looks like she's got Down's Syndrome or something on the ASD'. And I really don't like the way this arc seems to be going. Guy with acoustic guitar singing about how this girl is a total inspiration to him, probably with lyrics implying he loves her, even though he knows she's engaged.

Awkward.

Yeah, writing sucks (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-04), we get it. Try to convey it in another fashion.

Oh God. Nothing touches me but your mouth (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-07). I'll just . . . let that sink in.

Okay. Accidental innuendo is a thing. And sometimes song lyrics are stupid. But even the universe's most naive four-year-old would think that means kissing, let along the more adult things we're thinking. I mean, it'd be something if it was deliberate. But this is like those people who think 'Every breath You Take' is a romantic song. Except worse, because this is sex.

And this whole tusk-mouth thing. It's been cured, but only for the future babies. Makes sense. And then Mookie {{spoils it that no one who has tusk-mouth will be able to lose the tusks without surgery/pain}}.

Tusk is the most naive person on Deeganland (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-08). When your prat of a bandmate says something that specific about your song you know that it's bad. Still, troll be trolling. /trollface.jpg

As for Luna, I don't know. She's not an idiot savante, we know that because she's been reasonable, logical and demonstrated social skills all within one year's worth of strips; so punchline?

Troll fail. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-09) Also word-play and innuendo in music is new? Or the Dominus' thing anyway. Although, with a bardic father he'd have heard enough music like that for his life very early on surely?

MAYOR PAM! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-10) The most sensible person in the entire comic! I don't think I've seen you since Built to Resist and that ended in 2008!

AND WHEN THE HELL DID MOOKIE DIVIDE THE MALTARC INTO SECTIONS?! Because I'm frowning at the divisions there, some of them look similar to my arbitrary splits. Coincidence. Ugh. Maltak annoys me so much. The one good thing about this comic is that it's taking me further and further away from it.

Also, drunken violent assault. Why am I not surprised? Why am I not surprised that, despite Mayor Pam and her usual efficiency and enjoyment of schooling Deegans, that the associates of a Deegan manage to escape prison in spite of having a well-known tendency towards brutal violence over even a small insult? Still, Mookie showed restraint in not recycling the whole Spark 'death from above' thing; it is a little more amusing done silently.

Le sigh (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-11). Just when you mention something somewhat admirable for this, Mookie proves you were wrong to expect things of him. At least with the Dominus saying it he has reason to use Spark's catchphrase.

That said, this page seriously makes me wonder why Ears isn't in prison.

That said, this page does have some sort of internal logic going on (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-14). An ex-nun-turned-mayor isn't going to be 'understanding' of some casual brutal violence, public nudity, indecent assault and sexual assault. Also, the Elf is very sensible as he's afraid of the Dominus.

Now if only he'd genuflected before the tyrant as he proclaimed that he would have been forgiven his sins and risen up to the Favoured rank. And in turn, our lovely Mayor Pam would have, I don't know, turned out to be a secret adulterer and racist, completely defying past character progression, got sent to Hell, mind-controlled and finally forced to assassinate her own character by acting in the most atrocious way possible.

Probably by caving in and admitting the Deegans are ineffable, infallible god-beings whose very footsteps we ought worship as they deign to walk on common ground like the rest of us unworthy, unholy, disgusting, weak-minded little plebeians.

Okay look, I love Good Omens, and I like reading fanfic. The problem is, is that there are so many Good Omens fanfics that are really well researched, and written and wonderful that coming back to this is like going from reading Tolkein to that really awful David Eddings series The Dreamers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dreamers_%28novel_series%29) which is depressingly derivative of his previous works in a boring and uninspired way. Not to mention that (SPOILERS) the climax of the series quite literally pushes the reset button so everything that had happened over the course of four books never actually happened in the first place.

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.

And I don't know why the Dominus is so surprised that people fear him. He only attempts to fight off Eldritch Abominations when he has a spare moment, terrorises his own village for fun (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-03-07), says he'll kill them all for trespassing (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-03-08), brutally assault everyone in the village as a 'going away' present (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-04-30), openly and almost gleefully admit to manipulating people for no reason (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2007-08-12) (and it's okay if they don't find out about it or love it!); invade Hell, nearly have a psychotic/nervous break (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-05-13) because you needed sweeties (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-05-14); mind break (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-05-11) is a thing that happens to Seers; you're a Champion of one or more of the metaphysical forces that comprise the universe; there was that whole 'floating mountain' thing; and the 'my fiancée is the orc Messiah' thing; and the 'cured Maltak' thing; and the whole 'my elder brother's a terrifying necromancer who routinely murders dozens of people, my younger brother had the whole 'SugerGreg/Smug Greg' thing, my mother is one of the most powerful Archmages in the universe and has a Death Glare that goes around corners and my father is Elanovan'. Or the whole 'my two best friends are a rapist orc and a (formerly) depraved bisexual swordsman/mass murderer (who is gay)'. And the whole Barnet fiasco (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-03-30).

Just the highlights.

And oh good God, while compiling the evidence I just realised that they've been planning this wedding for almost exactly three years (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-04-25). Ahahahahaha.

I'm beginning to think Ears is a stand-in for snarkers (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-15). See, the Dominus is doing the whole mind-reading/violating the innate sanctity of your thoughts thing and saying what Ears is thinking. But with one slight flaw: a Seer can see the future. That's one of the reasons a Seer is a Seer. And the Dominus does manipulate things to come out as close to how he wants them as possible. Snowsong, Visions of Doom and so on and so forth. And Mookie admits that {{the Dominus is selectively telling the truth here}} when it comes to what a Seer can do. While easing the worries of a troubled mind is all well and good, the thing is Ears knows this guy, Smug Greg, who "loves [his brother's] 'seer schemes'" (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2007-08-13) and would talk about them. So you've just lied to someone already wary of you. Way to ease his worries.

Stupid pun (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-16), talk about the mutability of the future, yadda yadda yadda. Freudian excuse (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-17), gross out humour and someone who rejects the DOminus' advice to live how he wants. Maybe. Except choking on your own vomit isn't a nice way to go (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-18), so yay moderation?

Overall thoughts?
Well, that was worthless. The plot stuttered to a halt before it began, I neither know nor care who these people are - we're supposed to care because Smug Greg has smiled his favour down upon them, and I'm pretty sure I spent more time raging about academic elitism and why the Dominus' attitude was excruciatingly annoying.

This isn't even mediocre. I could have summed up this whole arc in a line:
Z-lister buddies of Smug Greg 'solve' life 'problems' with the Messianic couple.

It's three weeks of nothing. It's not even filler. I'd have preferred three weeks of [something]Con filler sketches to this! And who the Hell is Mosley!

Next up: Luna's wearing actual clothes! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-21) And the plot makes another appearance.

*Ages as defined by Trazoi here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9365837&postcount=479). Remember, all dates use the dd/mm/yyyy format!
**Avvie designed by ninja_penguin, many thanks for letting me use it.

Acanous
2013-05-31, 07:04 PM
It's Curly!
I don't think I've ever met Curly before. Out of courtesy, what gender pronoun do you prefer?

The constant talk of periods being horrible, scary things makes me facepalm. It's a biological function, and men do not look down on women for it. (Or at least none of the men I know do.)
If there's a wardrobe problem, you can actually ask for male assistance without having to worry about being mortified. (Unless you're in High School, in which case nobody is going to treat anything with a shred of maturity or dignity.)
In short, most of society doesn't actually care. The portion that do, are generally sympathetic.
You don't have to live in fear -_-

SaintRidley
2013-05-31, 07:10 PM
Curly, I offer you this hug after reading your rant, because I loved it.

General question to everybody: do we have an idea of the rough timespan of the events in the comic? I'd guess two years, maybe three, total as a maximum.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-31, 07:17 PM
It's Curly!
I don't think I've ever met Curly before. Out of courtesy, what gender pronoun do you prefer?

Oh, I've still not done the - yeah, there was someone being annoying about a year ago now, so I decided to screw with him and changed avvie and gender sign to male even though my name suggests female.
I am female, and prefer the pronouns associated with it. That said, it was amusing when I ended up talking about boobs with some people new to [whatever thread] who'd never met me before, and the conversation ended up being confused because how can a boy have boobs? My pleasures are infantile.

I take it you've read my analyses before then?


The constant talk of periods being horrible, scary things makes me facepalm. It's a biological function, and men do not look down on women for it. (Or at least none of the men I know do.)
If there's a wardrobe problem, you can actually ask for male assistance without having to worry about being mortified. (Unless you're in High School, in which case nobody is going to treat anything with a shred of maturity or dignity.)
In short, most of society doesn't actually care. The portion that do, are generally sympathetic.
You don't have to live in fear -_-

I don't. It's just an annoyance. A disgusting annoyance. And I have to admit, I was raised in a relatively conservative family/area regarding what is and is not appropriate for the respective sexes (albeit a skewed take on appropriateness); f'r'example boys can swear, girls cannot.
I am relatively shameless, but I'm hardly going to - oh wait, I just did. But, as you've rightly mentioned, the teenage years when you're still trying to figure everything out is when things are the most mortifying.

Now I'm just a mildly seething ball of irritation. Can't entering one's peak fertile time be done in a less disgusting way?

Cavelcade
2013-05-31, 07:24 PM
Wow, I really loved your academic elitism rant. More of that, less of smug-greg please. That arc really was just a drag.

Also I don't think it's true that most of society is either afraid or sympathetic about it - most of the guys I know are at best uncomfortable about it. I like to make jokes about it, but I suspect I might be compensating? That and people's reactions are hilarious.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-05-31, 07:41 PM
Curly, I offer you this hug after reading your rant, because I loved it.

The academic one or the period one? If the former, I'm pretty sure you've felt my annoyance.
Stupid stuck up prat. He was attached to . . . Jesus College I think, can't quite remember but he lived a damn sight away from the city centre. Oh sure, you can praise the guy who wrote Mists of Avalon when someone mentions it in their Arthur stuff, but no a humorous satire about the end times is right out.
Aside from the fact that well over fifty percent of the UK can quote Python sketches from memory there's nothing that means Gaiman/Pratchett isn't a valid source if you have a point.
Maybe he had a bias because the Pythons were nearly all Oxbridge.
Look, I'm holding this grudge because this implies there are works of fiction that aren't suitable for literary academic discussion when everyone knows that BEOWULF was only discussed in universities as a linguistic or historical source prior to Tolkein's "Beowulf: the Monsters and the Critics" essay (1926) - which I highly recommend even to non-students of Old English - all but forced people to look at the Old English corpus of literature seriously as works of literature and not just as sources for Anglo-Saxon history and culture.


General question to everybody: do we have an idea of the rough timespan of the events in the comic? I'd guess two years, maybe three, total as a maximum.

I remember actively trying to work out a timeline at some point in time. I might be in one of the analyses. Aside from that, I do remember there was a rough collaboration based on guesswork and reasonable assumption (and lamenting Mookie's temporal vagaries) a while back. Damned if I remember where though.


Wow, I really loved your academic elitism rant. More of that, less of smug-greg please. That arc really was just a drag.

If you look back through my archive there are some fairly impressive rants and things in there. Plus I made a drinking game out of Maltak and did the entire thing in one sitting over New year's Eve.
I ran out of booze. Then the house ran out of booze.


Also I don't think it's true that most of society is either afraid or sympathetic about it - most of the guys I know are at best uncomfortable about it. I like to make jokes about it, but I suspect I might be compensating? That and people's reactions are hilarious.

I alternate between having no shame (see: the period rant) and alluding to it in conversation.
The female menstrual cycle has a pretty big taboo hovering around it. THis is from someone who mainly associated with females during uni.
I don't know about guys, do you openly discuss wet dreams and the like, or is it one of those things that is understood but never spoken of.

Oh what am I saying, your location suggests you're likely British (or understand the British mindset), and we talk about nothing but the weather, queueing and complaining about the previous two items in the list. Oh, and footie, but that's so closely tied to the weather it doesn't bear mentioning.

SaintRidley
2013-05-31, 08:41 PM
The academic one specifically, but the period one I'm well on board with as well.

I've recently been dealing with kind of the opposite of the academic elitism while on facebook recently - there's a group for Old English and currently there's a guy on there who's taking the "scholars can and have been wrong before, so I'm going to completely discount what scholars say because they use words like "tentative" and "reconstruction" to describe their theories, while my (completely made up by me) philosophy of language tells me completely differently, and since I know what I was thinking when I thought it, I trust it more than I trust the scholars.

It's about as dumb in the opposite direction as it gets.

Ravens_cry
2013-06-01, 02:52 AM
You know, if you had the basic premise, Oracle for Hire who eventually gets pulled into world spanning adventures, how would you handle it?
What kind of comic would you make?

Lord Raziere
2013-06-01, 04:03 AM
You know, if you had the basic premise, Oracle for Hire who eventually gets pulled into world spanning adventures, how would you handle it?
What kind of comic would you make?

I'd probably show how terrifying it is to have future sight. and have the protagonist HATE the fact that he has it, hate how he has to judge whether to prevent or to fulfill a vision, hate that he is only shown bits and scraps of whats to come, and that most people don't even believe him when he warns them.

It would be gritty, full of mystery, intrigue, cataclysm and desperation. and I would constantly make the oracle wonder if he is making the right decisions...

Wraith
2013-06-01, 06:20 AM
WARNING: spoiled for being very in-depth and quite disgusting. Read on at your own risk.

I may or may not have said this before, but it takes a real man to be a woman. :smalleek:

Oh crap, you're British too? As in, "one train ride and you can hunt me down and take a brutal trophy of my skull"!? I.... Is it too late to add the prefix 'Meant with all due respect' or have I already blown that chance? :smallwink:


I have sat here for about half an hour thinking about whether to expound upon why the Dominus' attitude is stupid. I did this knowing that, really, the only reason it rankles me so much is his expression in the last panel. 'Oh you think reading widely about other culture's beliefs, histories and myths is so tolerant of you, you song-writing, plagiarising, ignorant human.' Way to insult Tusk's hobbies, researching skills and song-writing choices. And remember, this is Callan where multiculturalism is frowned upon. AS A TEACHER the Dominus should be pleased that a non-academic person in their twenties is researching other cultures in order to bring them to the attention of a wider audience. But no. Because Tusk's interest in myths isn't purely as an abstract, it's only in order to 'degrade' it for writing popular music; therefore Tusk's hobbies are bad.

I'm actually slightly surprised that you didn't make more out of the fact that, as Facebath's original intent was to make make an Epic Fantasy-Metal song about Dominic meeting the Destroyer, Dominic isn't just denouncing them for making 'trivial' songs about myths but about something that actually happened.

The Destroyer isn't a myth - it exists. It's an Eldritch Abomination living in a universe where other Eldritch Abominations sit down to tea with the protagonist's mother. But no - Lord Dominic says that rock music is for the plebeians and that they shouldn't be making stories about real events that have occurred within days of his decree other stories. :smallconfused: :smallsmile:

Cavelcade
2013-06-01, 07:44 AM
If you look back through my archive there are some fairly impressive rants and things in there. Plus I made a drinking game out of Maltak and did the entire thing in one sitting over New year's Eve.
I ran out of booze. Then the house ran out of booze.


Oh god.

The horror. I'm going to enjoy reading that.



I alternate between having no shame (see: the period rant) and alluding to it in conversation.
The female menstrual cycle has a pretty big taboo hovering around it. THis is from someone who mainly associated with females during uni.
I don't know about guys, do you openly discuss wet dreams and the like, or is it one of those things that is understood but never spoken of.

Oh what am I saying, your location suggests you're likely British (or understand the British mindset), and we talk about nothing but the weather, queueing and complaining about the previous two items in the list. Oh, and footie, but that's so closely tied to the weather it doesn't bear mentioning.

Yeah, an open and frank discussion about sexuality isn't really something that happens. Hence why you're link to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofl_UP3apM) amused me so much, I know exactly what they're talking about.


On that note: Fine weather we're having lately.

Welf
2013-06-01, 08:27 AM
Things like that make me happy to be a man. Fun fact: did you know that there's a sickness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endometriosis) that makes the period even more uncomfortable for women?

Funny how the discussion in this DD thread turned to things that make women feel pain.

But now for something different.

Back then, I liked the two story arcs about the DoD and the Band. They were so wonderfully insane. And I like the term "Crab Cop" someone coined back then. I still do and regularly mention it, even if no one else thinks it's funny.

A few of thing you mentioned and criticized are funny in hindsight for me now; you will see why.

Mookie separated the chapters of Maltak earlier this week.

spectralphoenix
2013-06-01, 10:50 AM
I wonder if all the "metal" in DD is actually rap music. In a world where demons, magic swords, and so forth are real things, "Sword of the Centuries" is basically a song where Donavan threatens to bust a cap in someone's <donkey>.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-01, 12:44 PM
The academic one specifically, but the period one I'm well on board with as well.

I've recently been dealing with kind of the opposite of the academic elitism while on facebook recently - there's a group for Old English and currently there's a guy on there who's taking the "scholars can and have been wrong before, so I'm going to completely discount what scholars say because they use words like "tentative" and "reconstruction" to describe their theories, while my (completely made up by me) philosophy of language tells me completely differently, and since I know what I was thinking when I thought it, I trust it more than I trust the scholars.

It's about as dumb in the opposite direction as it gets.

Oh joy. Academia free from the rigours of peer review and admitting to not knowing things. And having a system (in this case of linguistics) that, while theoretical is still about as accurate as we can be given the relative dearth of materials in OE.
Does this Dude understand linguistics? Or the fact that most dead language are reconstructions? Imagine the fit he'd throw when faced by Gothic then! Do you think he knows PIE?


I may or may not have said this before, but it takes a real man to be a woman. :smalleek:

Rosie the Riveter approves this statement.
Also: pregnancy is disgusting, but as I've not experienced it I won't discuss it and how your beset by hideous illnesses and side effects for months.


Oh crap, you're British too? As in, "one train ride and you can hunt me down and take a brutal trophy of my skull"!? I.... Is it too late to add the prefix 'Meant with all due respect' or have I already blown that chance? :smallwink:

A nice bit of abject grovelling is flattering. And given my location in the arse-end of nowhere it'd take too long and more than one train to get a chance to improve trepanning skills.


I'm actually slightly surprised that you didn't make more out of the fact that, as Facebath's original intent was to make make an Epic Fantasy-Metal song about Dominic meeting the Destroyer, Dominic isn't just denouncing them for making 'trivial' songs about myths but about something that actually happened.

The Destroyer isn't a myth - it exists. It's an Eldritch Abomination living in a universe where other Eldritch Abominations sit down to tea with the protagonist's mother. But no - Lord Dominic says that rock music is for the plebeians and that they shouldn't be making stories about real events that have occurred within days of his decree other stories. :smallconfused: :smallsmile:

Well, the strip in question was talking about a Nagastra myth involving a dragon. See, he approves of writing mythical songs if they're about him, but not if they're about some peon from another age.


Oh god.

The horror. I'm going to enjoy reading that.

Yes, people at the time did too. I was stuck drinking warming Newcastle Brown Ale towards the end because everything else was gone. I hate Newkie Brown.


Yeah, an open and frank discussion about sexuality isn't really something that happens. Hence why you're link to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ofl_UP3apM) amused me so much, I know exactly what they're talking about.

Well genitals are quite funny. So's sex. That or disgusting.


On that note: Fine weather we're having lately.

I know. It's only rained for one day this past week, and the weather's otherwise been warm, welcoming and encouraging people to swim at the beach. And people are wearing shorts and t-shirts without being at risk from illness and hypothermia! Even the breezes are balmy and pleasantly smell like the beach. Well, I live at the beach, so all breezes do.


Things like that make me happy to be a man. Fun fact: did you know that there's a sickness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endometriosis) that makes the period even more uncomfortable for women?

Funny how the discussion in this DD thread turned to things that make women feel pain.

It's almost like our meta commentary is going meta on itself.


But now for something different.

Back then, I liked the two story arcs about the DoD and the Band. They were so wonderfully insane. And I like the term "Crab Cop" someone coined back then. I still do and regularly mention it, even if no one else thinks it's funny.

A few of thing you mentioned and criticized are funny in hindsight for me now; you will see why.

Oh now I'm intrigued and wanting to read more. That said, I am a whole ten days into the next arc so . . . welp.


Mookie separated the chapters of Maltak earlier this week.

Really.
It took him that long. Wasn't Maltak 2009? Talk about procrastinating.

Speaking of analyses.

Lobsterwhat.

Lord Raziere
2013-06-01, 01:25 PM
Lobstercop

or as they are in DD: "Destroyers"

that is literally their name, I'm not making it up.

They are basically giant super-dimensional lobsters. they dwell in the plane of destruction and if you create something in the plane of destruction, they come and destroy you.

just one was enough to beat Snuggly, and Dominic was able to scare Snuggly off by pretending to harness the Destroyer's power.

and here is the stupid part:

Lobstercop only makes one appearance. and doesn't actually kill Snuggly. Dominic never harnesses Lobstercop ever again. why? no reason given. Dominic could just lure Snuggly back to the plane of destruction and bait enough Destroyers to actually destroy Snuggly and the problem would be solved.

does he do so?

No.

Yes thats right, the big bad of the comic, is less powerful than a nameless monster that is common to a certain plane. a monster that was easily used to destroy Snuggly using some grade-school deception and a stuffed bunny, again not making this up- Dominic literally created a stuffed bunny, put it on Snuggly, then pointed at Snuggly like a child going "he did it! he did it!"

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-01, 01:56 PM
Lobstercop

or as they are in DD: "Destroyers"

that is literally their name, I'm not making it up.

They are basically giant super-dimensional lobsters. they dwell in the plane of destruction and if you create something in the plane of destruction, they come and destroy you.

just one was enough to beat Snuggly, and Dominic was able to scare Snuggly off by pretending to harness the Destroyer's power.

and here is the stupid part:

Lobstercop only makes one appearance. and doesn't actually kill Snuggly. Dominic never harnesses Lobstercop ever again. why? no reason given. Dominic could just lure Snuggly back to the plane of destruction and bait enough Destroyers to actually destroy Snuggly and the problem would be solved.

does he do so?

No.

Yes thats right, the big bad of the comic, is less powerful than a nameless monster that is common to a certain plane. a monster that was easily used to destroy Snuggly using some grade-school deception and a stuffed bunny, again not making this up- Dominic literally created a stuffed bunny, put it on Snuggly, then pointed at Snuggly like a child going "he did it! he did it!"

Oh I know that. I'm currently in the arc called Revelation and have just seen LobsterDom. And I see we have some of the same questions too.

MReav
2013-06-01, 02:53 PM
Lobstercop only makes one appearance. and doesn't actually kill Snuggly. Dominic never harnesses Lobstercop ever again. why? no reason given. Dominic could just lure Snuggly back to the plane of destruction and bait enough Destroyers to actually destroy Snuggly and the problem would be solved.

does he do so?

No.

The sad thing is, by the end of the comic, Snuggly has been proven to be stupid enough to fall for that, if only because he failed to kill someone in his grasp as he wasted time monologing and thus allowed someone to intercede, something like 4 times! In under an hour!

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-01, 03:31 PM
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan

The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336”) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769”) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250”) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15343520&postcount=108) Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath
Lobsters
21/03/2011 - 25/04/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15349991&postcount=125) Arcs covered: Revelation


Let the experiment proceed!**
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Lobsters
21/03/2011 - 25/04/2011 Arcs covered: Revelation
OH MY GOD WHAT THE CHRIST IN HELL IS THAT (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-25) And here I was innocently looking for an easy image to identify so I know when the arc ends.

So Luna's wear an outfit that doesn't make her like she's not wearing a bra as her bust is actually defined, and . . . she doesn't look too bad. The cloak is a nice touch too because, for once, Luna's clothing isn't just solid blocks of colour.


Should I comment on the irony (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-21) of the main Mookie-insert not enjoying metal concerts because of the noise? Or the fact that despite the fact Mookie's in his early thirties at best he's doing extra work when he could be being lazy? And not going out with his attractive fiancée to have kinky mosh pit/bathroom sex? Not saying that skipping out on some amateur proto-death/heavy metal band for trying to save the world is a bad thing. Maybe his experiences in Symphony of Destruction lead to realise eldritch abominations trying to end the world are a bad thing.

But how did the Snugglythulu find the Dominus? Is that a physical projection or a mental one? Metaphysical? Also, I didn't want to bring this up without the proof, but I'm pretty sure that at one point the Dominus said it was impossible to scry on Snugglythulu, and I finally found the comic where Snugglythulu's mere existence (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-12-10) blocks the DOminus' Sight from those it touches (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-12-11). So shouldn't this prevent the Dominus from scrying on Snugglythulu as well? Because it's made of the same unSeeing things that have tainted Venus and TIM. I mean, it makes sense that something whose mere psychic presence makes people unscryable would be unscryable too. Right? That said, I do approve of Snugglythulu scrying on the Dominus.

And our Snugglythulu's becoming less and less eldritch as the comic goes on. Two chapters ago it was humanoid, and now it talks. Now, I'm not saying Nyarlathotep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyarlathotep) isn't (http://farm1.staticflickr.com/137/407671821_456f692ce0_z.jpg?zz=1) an (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=641&tbm=isch&tbnid=pX9eCEnAQjPxhM:&imgrefurl=http://genocyber.deviantart.com/art/Nyarlathotep-The-Black-Pharaoh-128117876&docid=kfiDHHc9nIz4VM&imgurl=http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/184/5/1/Nyarlathotep_The_Black_Pharaoh_by_genocyber.png&w=666&h=861&ei=BRCqUbCQB8bL0AXA5oAQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:22,s:0,i:228&iact=rc&dur=219&page=1&tbnh=195&tbnw=151&start=0&ndsp=24&tx=61&ty=73) eldritch (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/278/b/3/nyarlathotep_by_corwin_cross-d5gv67e.jpg) abomination (http://www.johncoulthart.com/images/oldones/nyarlathotep.jpg) (who in one or two or those pictures looks eerily like Rilian), but making Snugglythulu more and more human reduces it quite substantially because, even though it learns from its experiences, it doesn't feel as alien as it once did.

Oh look, incoming {{Confiller}}. Ask and thou shalt receive.


Snugglythulu's also learnt a new trick: (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-22) how to depower a Seer. Not much else to say really, except that Snugglythulu's grin is rather maliciously adorable.

As an aside, did you know that even though this comic is complete and ten years old it doesn't have a Wikipedia page. Or a barely sketched out wiki that doesn't appear to have been made by readers of this thread. This is very strange.

Snugglythulu's so cute (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-23), and I finally figured out why, he reminds me of Tokomon (http://dma.wtw-x.net/DMA/DigimonStands/Bandai/Tokomon.jpg) and other in-training level Digimon. Snugglythulumon doesn't even knw how to chew his food properly given that the panel edges (where the panel represents the Dominus' mind/mental projection) are scarcely damaged. But then I thought I saw the fake leg in the right-most panel, so I checked here (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-22) again and it's definitely the fake leg, and we know from a {{Newspos}} in Symphony of Destruction that the Dominus mentally projects himself as a whole being now. So is this extra-planar? It certainly suggest it's really happening. Is this the real life? Is it just fantasy? Maybe Mookie just forgot. Yeah, he probably did didn't he? Or perhaps Snugglythulumon even blocked the Dominus' ability to give himself a fake psychic leg.

. . .

. . .

First off: magic mood lighting. But most importantly: What in the Hell. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-24) I don't even. Mookie thinks it looks {{neat}}, and the concept is interesting, but that is some kind of freakish dog-ant-crab crossbreed. See, insect-types tend not to have noses/snouts like mammals, and they don't have teeth because they have mandibles. Which are teeth. How do the glasses stick on? There aren't any hooks for the ears. It can't be a mental projection because of the whole prosthetic leg thing. This is, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is easily in the top five single most stupid panels in the entire comic. So much so that I actually ran straight to the thread archive to see how snarkers reacted in real-time. For the first time ever. After I've finished snarking.

Also, "Believe it, Beast" sounds a lot like the introduction to another Deegan horror (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2007-07-18). Why is that the the sadistic, mass murdering, possible necrophiliac of a necromancer is the least horrific of all the Deegan brothers? At his worse appearance-wise, he only walked around with a skeletal arm and missing half a face - which he covered with a mask (perhaps for Christine?), so he looked perfectly fine. Where's Jacob? I miss Jacob. He was cool, even had some semblance of a story arc and character development. Then again, if Jacob came back he'd end up subjected to Siggyfication.

And the thing is, this isn't even surprising (beyond the obvious what the hell) because we all know the Dominus is a squishy wizard who prides himself on his 'intellect'. And he and Luna both specialise in illusion spells. That and I'd rather believe Snugglythulumon who'd probably know what's possible and impossibru (http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/a1/a1a40f7ea99a7410b3f6ff2b187d1e0749cec975_full.jpg) when it comes to hybridising human-eldritch abominations. It's an illusion. It's one of the oldest jokes in the comic.

And does Snugglythulumon himself have to talk? They're in a place of the mind and Snugglythulumon can clearly understand some speech. Why not use memories? Colours? (Well, it'd take too long to draw!) Or, anyone here read Gunnerkrigg Court? So why not use a similar technique to how Zimmy and Gamma communicate with each other (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=729) when the fainter words are clearly memories cycling through Gamma's head? You could even just straight rip-off Zalgo text so it looks like the words are actually coming from a mouth not suited to speaking.

But, damn, Snugglythulumon's the cutest little eldritch abomindation isn't he?

And this strip gives two golden 'panels' (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-25). The last two to be exact. Hell, you could you the "Are you willing to stick around and see what a fool I am?" Dirty Harry-esque panel as the perfect exemplar of the Dominic Deegan experience. Either way, ladies, gentlemen and other, after this lunacy I can officially say DD is back to its golden age of insanity.

Where did the mask come from? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-28) Why would he have a mask like that? His super saiyan Seer powers were nerfed by Snugglythulumon (who isn't even a Rookie digimon!) so he shouldn't have been able to create anything right? Why was an eldritch abomination fooled by a fake lobster claw and awful Predator mask? Why did the mas have glasses? Why not cast a full illusion spell rather than make a mask?

And we're kindly informed {{this arc does take place on the psychoplanes (which earlier were called metaphysical planes (unless the psychoplane is the space between metaphysical planes)), so why the prosthetic leg?

WHY DID THIS FOOL SNUGGLYTHULUMON?! This was an ambush. And he fled because the Dominus decided to become a lobster. Omnomnom him up with a nice bit of asparagus before having Luna pie. And why would an eldritch abomination think on the same level as a human? Just because an eldritch abomination from beyond time and space can control what happens in the psychoplanes doesn't mean a human should. Especially one whose special abilities have been borked.

Really all this confirms that Snugglythulumon is just a baby. Which would actually be an amazing twist wouldn't it? Snugglythulumon is just a baby abomination and is lost, scared and alone, so he's lashing out in fear because he wants his mummy like the Krafayris from 'Vincent and the Doctor'. Then it turns out that Snugglymama was the Nakta and supplying magic to the entire planet or something, so it really is the Dominus' fault all this is going down!

But nope, not going to happen is it? An eldritch abomination just ran away from a disabled non-magical human wearing a mask and a fake claw. Way to completely destroy any potential threat Snugglythulumon poses. How did you go from something legitimately interesting and fairly dangerous (within the context of the usual Deegan fare), being able to control minions of Hell and be involved in the Maltak-thing to 'oh, do you want to know how stupid I can be? Do you feel lucky? Do ya, punk?' and Snugglythulumon fleeing like a coward.

And don't we already know that Snugglythulumon can be tricked and outwitted? Remember the teddybomb? So this proved only that Snugglythulumon becomes stupider the more humanoid he becomes.

"Turns out the Beast is not the omnipotent wholly alien god-thing from between dimensions that we thought it was." This is Mookie-speak for: 'yeah guys, I've been reading the forums, and this hype about Snugglythulumon is really high, I'll never be able to live up to this. So what I'm going to do is nerf it in canon so you can't complain when I - I mean Dominic whip it like cream.' Not only can he not live up to potential hype, he actively destroys the characterisation in-universe that made the person popular out-of-universe.

Siggy was fantastic and had really grown as a person, then boom! Racism cuckolding murderer and then DMC-Siggy and then Not-Siggy. Lady Jayden went from being a fairly sweet, if D&D standard cleric to be an adulterer who then went crazy and Hell-controlled. Aside from Mayor Pam and Elanovan and other relatively minor characters can you think of any characters or plot you genuinely liked (or enjoyed) who didn't suffer some kind of awful fate (from a characterisation/plot point of view)?

Even Jacob suffered from this to a degree even though he's a Deegan. Warlord Moustache, being a posthumous character mostly escaped, except for the fate of his soul.

Snugglythulumon was once this oddly cute, abstract tentacled thing that liked twisting and warping minds for no apparent reason. He didn't really emote, but he was cool and was an interesting idea. Very few franchises suffer from the injection of some Lovecraftian horror that is incomprehensible to human/other minds. Even My Little Pony has eldritch abominations! Oh look, there's a good example of a humanoid (look, it's pony society, and he's kind of pony-like), talking, embodiment of pure chaos and he manages to come off as far more threatening a villain than Snugglythulumon does at this point. This comic would be greatly improved is Discord was the eldritch abomination.

Oh, and another good example of a humanoid, talking eldritch being beyond our ken: Q. He does things. Why? They amuse him. Or someone. Or because he wants to. Maybe he has an overarching plan. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe his life's purpose is to drive Picard insane before shifting into another reality and doing to same to some ponies. Who knows! He's Q and a Q does what a Q wants because Q can. The Care Bears have more intimidating villains that Snugglythulumon now!

And the worst part is that he can't get his villain cred boosted by killing a prominent character because Mookie admitted during Maltak that he couldn't bear to kill any of them! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-01-06) And no, it's not the mark of a great or brave writer to kill off your prominent characters! What killing off your prominent characters (or any!) is is demonstrating a willingness to sacrifice someone you may have grown fond of while writing about them in order to make a point.

The faecal matter has hit the fan; this is not what you think; anyone can die. You kill characters off for a reason. Incoming SPOILERS: when Ned Stark died at the end of Bk I of ASoIaF it was shocking because he was set up as the main character, and a significant portion of the book was told from his POV. When he died we knew anyone could die. When he died we knew just how dangerous and corrupt the world was for certain, that even genuinely honourable people would be killed for no other purpose than to remove an obstacle from a course of action. We'd connected to him emotionally so when he died it was momentous because he was the main character! You don't kill your main character!

Sometimes you kill someone off because it makes sense from a thematic point of view; or because it adds punch to a scene. Sometimes you can kill someone off for no reason at all and have it work. Sometimes it's an integral plot twist, like with Dumbledore.

Avoiding killing characters when every literary skill you possess is screaming at you to do it (like with Luna in Maltak) because it completes an arc/theme/etc. is foolish. How many authors have mentioned that sometimes they find characters saying/doing/etc. different things than they'd expected, but they kept those unintended actions because it felt right for the character?

What? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-29) That makes no sense. You convinced yourself you were a freakish abomination of nature? Then why didn't you just convince yourself you had the very powers needed to end this thing once and for all rather than sending it running scared to another place! Especially when it thinks you embody one of the few things that can actually harm it! It'll just come back stronger and more powerful than before!

And why can the Dominus force himself to be a human-Destroyer hybrid when Snugglythulumon said no human mind could bear the strain? Why is he so special? Aside from being the Dominus of course. And that's not even misreading the comic. The DOminus literally assumed the role of the Destroyer in some fashion. So why didn't he attack Snugglythulumon right then and there if your mind makes it real? Why not summon up more of those Destroyers if Snugglythulumon is so scared of them? After all, your mind makes it real.

This just further proves the Dominus is enabling all these villains and evil things in order to make people worship him! He could have just imagined a completely unbreakable prison for Snugglythulumon and there! Eldritch abomination contained for all of time.

Remember when we first met (http://dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-04-14) Snugglythulumon? He was cool, mysterious and gave TIM all these awesome powers. And in 2011 he can be destroyed by a bad costume and having a high Bluff roll. And back then he was created from the refuse of the universe. And we know just fine from Symphony of Destruction he can live in the Plane of Destruction. Yet his kryptonite is teddy bears and lobsters. Even though the Destroyer didn't really do much to harm Snugglythulumon given it only took a few in-universe days for it to completely heal itself and learn new tricks. And the Destroyer was simply titanic whereas the Dominus is maybe one-fifth the size Snugglythulumon is. And where did our adorable abomination's armour go?

Remember how Mookie often announces he gives panels on create unique heroes and memorable villains? If he's good enough to keep being requested to give that panel at various conventions, how come he can't apply his advice to his own work?

Look, either swear or don't. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-30) No stupid puns. And yes, while it's nice to see the plot points from the various chapters called The Beast brought up, it would have been nice to see it brought up before the Dominus' latest encounter with Snugglythulumon so this doesn't seem like Mookie's trying to save his own bacon here. Don't worry, it's vegan bacon! No wait, worry, it's vegan bacon!

P. 5 and 7 are both SGTF Lunas, and what do you mean 'what if you've become linked to the Beast'. He is because he's had direct contact with him. Like Venus and Tim.

Huh, the Dominus likes his surges to be temporary (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-03-31) . . .in bed! Oh come on. That's all I could think of that wasn't rehashing things over and over again. If it weren't for the different clothes I think I'd even accuse geeking out!Dominus and Luna of being copy pasted from . . . something during the Holiday Arc plot.

Oh look, irony (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-01). Shame it was expected from the moment you said 2weaker than we thought". Don't you know never to say such a thing unless the enemy is completely, totally defeated? And why do you put quote marks around "Murray"? It's a nickname. I don't go around saying/writing 'I was talking to my friends 'Thu', 'Moonie', 'DeeRee', 'Cassie darling', 'Ku', 'Archie' and [stuff]'.

You want to know the etymology of the word 'nickname'? Tough, you're getting it anyway! It used to be 'an eke name' (lit: 'an also name', so meant 'also named'), but due to hypecorrection and reanalysis it became 'a nickname'. If you introduce someone in full it would be Jane 'Corpsey' Doe. Or Jane Doe, also called Corpsey.

And yeah, poor Murray. Got murderlised. And that's terrible. And also the only reason the Dominus was able to defeat Snugglythulumon (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-04). On the plus side, a fairly cool character was killed, so +1 Villain points. And another +1 for being able to hide so effectively not even two of the most powerful magic users in the universe could detect him.

And it was foreshadowed (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-04-02) almost exactly a year ago too! +2 Writing Points to Mookie for fairly effective and subtle foreshadowing. -2 Writing Points for terrible pacing, because that means either this past year's work of comics only covered about one or two weeks in-universe or the various non-Beast arcs are scattered all over the timeline.

Maybe some is ripping wonky holes in the fabric of space and time.

More proof that Mookie's a fairly good artist when it comes to non-humanoid beings. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-05) More world building (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-06) and hints at a painful mind meld in the future to fulfil bureaucratic needs. This comic needs more Masutel (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-07). It's got good detailing and is an imposing design, fairly powerful, not not too much (third rank).

Damn it, I saw this strip[/quote] I went awwwwww. Look at Snugglythulumon in a sulk. Isn't he precious. And yay, way to go and re-nerf your ultimate villain by having a circle of archmages dismiss outright that something that killed the most powerful magic user in the universe isn't a threat. Because it's impossible to rebuild your strength after having exhausted it.

Which is clearly what Mookie's implying in his {{Newspost}} because he's too inept to demonstrate it in p. 8 at all, and needs to punch home the 'irony' in p. 7.

[URL="http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-11"]Yeah, yeah, humans with their petty emotion-clouded brains (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-08). Also, Snugglythulumon's going to throw an epic temper tantrum. Time to sweet out the Naughty Corner and take away someone's dessert. This is also failed parallelism. If you want to experiment with comic layout experiment. Do something like what Rich Burlew did during one of the comics just as the Siege of Azure City began. Have two vertical strips and continue the parallel plots like that.

I know that half-face from somewhere (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-12). Hated orcs. Was a noble wasn't he? Time to go hunt down that chapter where Siggy died. Oh no. I have this horrible feeling that it might be the king. Can't say why, but I have this horrible feeling.
And look (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-13), there are repercussions to fighting an eldritch abomination. Also clairaudience is a stupid word.

Cool (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-14). Some human disintegrated the Dominus' mental projection, by this logic he should be mentally disabled now. But then the fridge logic sets in: how can an eldritch abomination beyond human ken not harm the Dominus, but a human can?

Oh look, physically disabled 'hero' gets to face a physically disabled king. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-15) I'm so calling Fisher King on this. Consorts with an eldritch abomination with massive eyes, rules a country rife with corruption, racism, and most negative -isms. And this king was the entire reason humans (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-18) were permitted to join the Circle of Archmages. Meaning that not only can this guy can not only hunt down the Dominus by handing out a description to his men (because remember, you don't have disabilities on the psychoplanes!), but also chase him down magically and, I don't know, rip his soul out of his body and bind it to a fish before it's fed to Sparks.

And he's called King David. You know you thought of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David) King David when you first heard this. Somewhat amusingly, in Welsh 'David' means 'shining' and in Hebrew means 'beloved'. And one of the reasons why David is so famous? A puny human slew a giant. Just like a puny human was so powerful he forced a group of space whale aliens to admit humans into their club. So why those cloaking spells would work I don't know.

On the plus side, at least Mama Machina acknowledge that the political implications were nasty. Oooh, a Vitae! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-19) Those are fun. Moreso in Old English.

Talk about a package (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-20), it nearly rivals Jareth's. Also, bit of a perfect guy much? Rags to riches scenario, was elected to kingship like Amidala, a blind king like John of Bohemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Bohemia) (John/Johann; I'm starting to get suspicious), created an elite order of magic wielding knights (Jedi . . . ) and a blind seer/magician like Tiresias.

TThe Hunt for the Rogue Seer (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-21). Yay? Maybe.

Unwanted image: the Dominus has a domination kink (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-22). And seriously. Quilt, the idiot is going to assist tracking down the Champion of Chaos and Herald of Snugglythulumon. QUILT? I don't know if the comic' reached a new low, or if this turn of events will inject some life into the comic. From a flesh golem. Ugh.

Also Quiltlock doesn't have the cheekbones (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Sherlock%20Benedict%20Cumberbatch%20Martin%20Freem an.jpg) to (http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/368x207/legacy/brand/b018ttws.jpg?nodefault=true) be (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R2ugsda78v8/UYyOrztz1dI/AAAAAAAAKcg/wvtbr3E05Bs/s400/Sherlock+2.jpg) Sherlock (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6m2uzQhS61r3pz0yo1_1280.jpg).

This is still terrifying. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-25)

Overall thoughts?

LobsterDom. It is a thing that exists. Interesting twist having the Unseen King of Callan be allied with Snugglythulumon though. And the power level of Snugglythulumon is as erratic as a drunken Scotsman in a speedboat trying to run an obstacle course.

Nice character designs though.

And I think I was expecting too much when I thought naming a chapter of a book Revelation would contain even a slight reference to the Book of Revelation.
Next up:

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Traab
2013-06-01, 03:49 PM
Lobstercop

or as they are in DD: "Destroyers"

that is literally their name, I'm not making it up.

They are basically giant super-dimensional lobsters. they dwell in the plane of destruction and if you create something in the plane of destruction, they come and destroy you.

just one was enough to beat Snuggly, and Dominic was able to scare Snuggly off by pretending to harness the Destroyer's power.

and here is the stupid part:

Lobstercop only makes one appearance. and doesn't actually kill Snuggly. Dominic never harnesses Lobstercop ever again. why? no reason given. Dominic could just lure Snuggly back to the plane of destruction and bait enough Destroyers to actually destroy Snuggly and the problem would be solved.

does he do so?

No.

Yes thats right, the big bad of the comic, is less powerful than a nameless monster that is common to a certain plane. a monster that was easily used to destroy Snuggly using some grade-school deception and a stuffed bunny, again not making this up- Dominic literally created a stuffed bunny, put it on Snuggly, then pointed at Snuggly like a child going "he did it! he did it!"


It made less sense before we knew snuggly was a pair of eyes blasted by the heart of magic and gaining sentience on their own somehow. I mean come on, how tough can a pair of talking eyes and pasta really be? Also, the existence of destroyers creates such interesting possibilities that are never followed through on, as well as making ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE! Ok, so creating things summons the destroyers right? Thats because this is the plane of destruction and things arent made here, they are destroyed, right? So why the hell dont they swarm dominic as soon as he appears there? he is something that doesnt belong and isnt being destroyed!

Another thing, this would also imply that other planes would also have guardians of their own to whip your butt if you do something anathema to that area. Starting a fire in the plane of water would cause issues, using chaos magic in the plane of order, etc etc etc. This was an interesting bit of potential never explored, which sucks because this was during the time when dom was explicitly searching the various planes hunting for snuggly! If mookie had created an INTELLIGENT hero, that could have made for an interesting set of arcs as dom struggles to stop Snuggly's plans by using the automatic defenses of the planes against him.

SaintRidley
2013-06-01, 04:45 PM
Let's be fair to the word clairaudience - it's been in use for over 150 years to describe sound-based precognition.

And oh, I look forward to seeing your reaction to how some of these plot points wind up being revealed. The reveals are stupider than you could ever imagine.



Yeah, that thing on facebook... well, academia free of actual scholarship and peer review seems typical of the guy's "university", which was founded by a now-dead televangelist who blamed 9/11 on America's tolerance of the feminists and gays.

By the way, Curly, should we ever wind up at a conference together I'd like to treat you to a drink.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-01, 05:18 PM
Let's be fair to the word clairaudience - it's been in use for over 150 years to describe sound-based precognition.

Still sounds stupid. While both clairvoyance and clairaudience have French origins, 'clairaudience' sounds made-up even though it's clearly coined in the fashion of 'clairvoyance'. The joys of historical linguistics and etymology.


And oh, I look forward to seeing your reaction to how some of these plot points wind up being revealed. The reveals are stupider than you could ever imagine.

But I saw Maltak. I saw the formation of Facebath. I've seen what happened to Siggy. What could be stupider than SuperGreg?


Yeah, that thing on facebook... well, academia free of actual scholarship and peer review seems typical of the guy's "university", which was founded by a now-dead televangelist who blamed 9/11 on America's tolerance of the feminists and gays.

. . . That's an accepted university? For serials? I don't think any university in the UK is like that. That said, I have lived a relatively naive life, so there might be some unis in this country with . . . less than dubious accreditations. The joys of accidental elitism.

Still, it's probably wrong of me to look forward to him attending a standard university and trying that kind of thing there without backing of his reasoning in some fashion.


By the way, Curly, should we ever wind up at a conference together I'd like to treat you to a drink.

Well, I've just finished applying to some Master's programmes after a mostly year trying to earn money for said programme; and MAs can allow for grants for conferences abroad. Stupid ocean. Stupid finances. Stupid everything.

Everything always seems simultaneously so much stupider and smarter after a stint at this webcomic.

Welf
2013-06-01, 06:06 PM
Lobstercop

or as they are in DD: "Destroyers"

that is literally their name, I'm not making it up.

They are basically giant super-dimensional lobsters. they dwell in the plane of destruction and if you create something in the plane of destruction, they come and destroy you.

just one was enough to beat Snuggly, and Dominic was able to scare Snuggly off by pretending to harness the Destroyer's power.

and here is the stupid part:

Lobstercop only makes one appearance. and doesn't actually kill Snuggly. Dominic never harnesses Lobstercop ever again. why? no reason given. Dominic could just lure Snuggly back to the plane of destruction and bait enough Destroyers to actually destroy Snuggly and the problem would be solved.

does he do so?

No.

Yes thats right, the big bad of the comic, is less powerful than a nameless monster that is common to a certain plane. a monster that was easily used to destroy Snuggly using some grade-school deception and a stuffed bunny, again not making this up- Dominic literally created a stuffed bunny, put it on Snuggly, then pointed at Snuggly like a child going "he did it! he did it!"


The sad thing is, by the end of the comic, Snuggly has been proven to be stupid enough to fall for that, if only because he failed to kill someone in his grasp as he wasted time monologing and thus allowed someone to intercede, something like 4 times! In under an hour!

Guuuuuys don't spoiler for Curly.


Well genitals are quite funny. So's sex. That or disgusting.

True that.


Oh now I'm intrigued and wanting to read more. That said, I am a whole ten days into the next arc so . . . welp.

It will take quite a while till you get those. I wonder if you get Mookie's intentions on some of his plot twists. It takes a bit till it is revealed in the comic and newsposts.


Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan

To sum up the arc: Dominic defeats an eldritch abomination by method acting. Another of my favourites because of the sheer insanity of the concepts. It makes a certain amount of sense if you remember that Mookie started studies of acting before changing to an English major.

I enjoy these reviews. I know how this is ending and I'm curious how your reviews and insights will develop, and how they might differ from mine from back then.



But I saw Maltak. I saw the formation of Facebath. I've seen what happened to Siggy. What could be stupider than SuperGreg?

oh, you will see

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rSpTlHgPs9I/Uap_vjJmHRI/AAAAAAAABXE/KDkA4Zw3hNI/w207-h219-no/Smile.png

MReav
2013-06-01, 11:50 PM
So, Curly, you gonna do anything with that Mr. Scruffy Doll image?

Trazoi
2013-06-02, 12:45 AM
But I saw Maltak. I saw the formation of Facebath. I've seen what happened to Siggy. What could be stupider than SuperGreg?
I'd better get some popcorn for these.

(Really enjoying your analyses Curly).

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-06-02, 02:20 AM
But I saw Maltak. I saw the formation of Facebath. I've seen what happened to Siggy. What could be stupider than SuperGreg?

Seconding the popcorn idea (thirding? fourthing?). I'll bring Malomars and Yorkies too.

This is gonna be good! Glad to see you back.

T-O-E
2013-06-02, 06:27 AM
But I saw Maltak. I saw the formation of Facebath. I've seen
what happened to Siggy. What could be stupider than SuperGreg?

Why would you ask this. Surely you already know the answer?

Vinyadan
2013-06-02, 07:03 AM
I'm still alive, although busy! Thanks for your oeuvre, Curly :smallbiggrin:

From Eliot's Marina:

http://s7.postimg.org/dxuhppruz/marina.png

One of the few happy things ever written by a poet known for his introspectively depressive production.

Neoriceisgood
2013-06-02, 08:11 AM
So, the legacy of the snark lives on?

Doompuppy
2013-06-02, 12:18 PM
So, the legacy of the snark lives on?

So far, and for some time yet...

But with strange aeons, even snark may die.

random11
2013-06-02, 12:44 PM
So, the legacy of the snark lives on?

Now that Curly reviews are back? Of course!

Knowing what arcs come next, I think we are all eagerly waiting to see how many ways will Curly find to say "WTF?!" :smallbiggrin:

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-02, 12:57 PM
True that.

Never really understood the fascination behind it.


It will take quite a while till you get those. I wonder if you get Mookie's intentions on some of his plot twists. It takes a bit till it is revealed in the comic and newsposts.

I don't think I ever mentioned how much I hate the {{Newsposts}} have I? That he uses them to reveal plot twists/elements that should be have been made obvious in the text itself ruins the idea that a work should be able to stand on its own without any input from an author needed. Perhaps we should coin the Zombie of the Author theory.

I don't really object to the linking of previous comics in the {{Newspost}} to provide additional information/prove it was foreshadowed except when the information in those links is spurious to the comic in question.


To sum up the arc: Dominic defeats an eldritch abomination by method acting. Another of my favourites because of the sheer insanity of the concepts. It makes a certain amount of sense if you remember that Mookie started studies of acting before changing to an English major.

And I still don't know how the method acting worked, but I don't think anyone here does? The arc certainly was insane, and more 'enjoyable' than the previous arcs, with an interesting twist.


I enjoy these reviews. I know how this is ending and I'm curious how your reviews and insights will develop, and how they might differ from mine from back then.

Popcorn? I take it you and everyone else will have the usual sadistic enjoyment of my analyses.


oh, you will see

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rSpTlHgPs9I/Uap_vjJmHRI/AAAAAAAABXE/KDkA4Zw3hNI/w207-h219-no/Smile.png

I knew that would be a useful panel. It's amazing how much more sinister it looks on its own.


So, Curly, you gonna do anything with that Mr. Scruffy Doll image?

No idea. Resort to cuddling it mid-review if something is so . . . so . . . awful I need some comfort.


I'd better get some popcorn for these.

(Really enjoying your analyses Curly).

Enjoying doing them again. I kind of burnt out Dominic Deegan and switched to Doctor Who. You have no idea how much more fun and amazing and wonderful Doctor Who reviewing was after DD.
Now the burn out from that combined with a few other things means reviewing something so . . . so whatever this comic is is kind of a relief. Plus I've attained some of that naive innocence I used to have towards this comic once.


Seconding the popcorn idea (thirding? fourthing?). I'll bring Malomars and Yorkies too.

This is gonna be good! Glad to see you back.

Malomars?
And yeah, good to be back, although a little more worried now I've been assured it gets worse.


Why would you ask this. Surely you already know the answer?

I reviewed Doctor Who during my absences and even in episodes I don't really like there's so much genuinely good stuff that things like plot (and plot holes)and other flaws get something of a hand wave. Not that I didn't happily point out the flaws and all, but even the episodes and people I hate are far better than anything here. Mostly.


I'm still alive, although busy! Thanks for your oeuvre, Curly :smallbiggrin:

From Eliot's Marina:

http://s7.postimg.org/dxuhppruz/marina.png

One of the few happy things ever written by a poet known for his introspectively depressive production.

That's amazing. It even seems somewhat natural.


So, the legacy of the snark lives on?

Yep. And just now when trying to think of a word for the precise amalgamation of lunacy, idiocy, stupidity and general whatness of this comic I realised something.

"It is shap'd, sir, like itself, and it is as poorly drawn as it is drawn; it is just as dull as it is dull, and it is as poorly paced as it is paced. Its characterisation exists to ruin characterisation, and the idiocy, once out of it, it transmigrates to idiocy."
"How stupid of it?"
"Of its own stupidity too."
"'Tis a strange comic."
"'Tis so. And the dialogue of it is words." (Anthony and Cleopatra, II, vii, l. 45 - 53)

There's an idea, review a chapter (as defined by the archive) using only quotations from plays.
>.>
That could be fun, if imminently frustrating.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-06-02, 04:36 PM
Malomars?
And yeah, good to be back, although a little more worried now I've been assured it gets worse.

It's like a smore cookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate-coated_marshmallow_treats#Mallomars). Graham Crackers covered in marshmallows and chocolate. I've never actually had one, but they look good, and are apparently a favorite of Colonel Gentleman (http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Colonel_Gentleman), so they can't be all bad, right?

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-02, 05:40 PM
It's like a smore cookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate-coated_marshmallow_treats#Mallomars). Graham Crackers covered in marshmallows and chocolate. I've never actually had one, but they look good, and are apparently a favorite of Colonel Gentleman (http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Colonel_Gentleman), so they can't be all bad, right?

Those does sound yummy, I must admit.

ION:
Work has begun on The Thirty-Fifth Parte of Dominicke Ye Mercenary Oracle: Ye Search For Celesto, A Most Lamentable Tragedy.

'Tis a work in progress.

Landis963
2013-06-02, 08:32 PM
Those does sound yummy, I must admit.

ION:
Work has begun on The Thirty-Fifth Parte of Dominicke Ye Mercenary Oracle: Ye Search For Celesto, A Most Lamentable Comedie.

'Tis a work in progress.

Fixed that for you. :smalltongue:

T-O-E
2013-06-02, 08:59 PM
Fixed that for you. :smalltongue:

Like Romeo and Juliet, it is a comedy that becomes a tragedy. The first comic (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-26) in the chapter cleverly shows a comedic face/mask inverting into a tragic one.

There is no way Mookie intended that.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-02, 09:23 PM
Fixed that for you. :smalltongue:

Maybe. It depends on the tone this sub-chapter takes before I pick out a proper title. I'm going to use the style you see on the frontispieces for the folio/quarto editions of the plays, so fantastically long. There's even going to be a 'Containing Thereinn'.
I'm actually thinking of calling it 'An Unpleasaunte, Conceited Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Shakespeare%27s_plays#The_Taming_of_ the_Shrew_.281590.E2.80.931594.29), Called [etc.]' before reeling off a list of things that happen in it, a la the history plays. Plus then all the literary nerds can giggle over the two definitions of 'conceit' wrapped up in the title. A far better pun than anything Mookie's ever done.


Like Romeo and Juliet, it is a comedy that becomes a tragedy. The first comic (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-26) in the chapter cleverly shows a comedic face/mask inverting into a tragic one.

There is no way Mookie intended that.

Of course it wasn't intended. How dare you suggest Mookie puts actual symbolic thought into what he draws. Or need we bring up The Oracle Hunter incident again? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-03-30)

SaintRidley
2013-06-02, 09:41 PM
I still maintain that Gerald was the last good character Mookie created.

Kwatsu
2013-06-02, 10:48 PM
How dare you suggest Mookie puts actual symbolic thought into what he draws. Or need we bring up The Oracle Hunter incident again? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-03-30)

That image gets worse every time I see it. Horrible symbolism and eye-gouging outfit aside, it's like Mookie has literally never seen another human being standing upright before.

Doompuppy
2013-06-03, 02:33 AM
That image gets worse every time I see it. Horrible symbolism and eye-gouging outfit aside, it's like Mookie has literally never seen another human being standing upright before.

You mean the Dominus isn't just failing to do the splits?

Kwatsu
2013-06-03, 08:08 AM
You mean the Dominus isn't just failing to do the splits?

I think someone suggested that he drew Dominic using a poseable action figure as a reference. It actually looks more like he intended Dom to resemble an action figure and completely overdid it. Those legs bear no relation to human anatomy. Or space-time as we know it.

Welf
2013-06-03, 01:06 PM
Never really understood the fascination behind it.

I think it's because humour often works by breaking rules, and doing the unexpected. I understand rules very wide in this. Not only laws, but also social norms, or guidelines. And since sex is such an important thing, we have a lot of rules about it. Also, we can connect to it. We all have genitals, so we can instantly connect to a situation that revolves around them.



I don't think I ever mentioned how much I hate the {{Newsposts}} have I? That he uses them to reveal plot twists/elements that should be have been made obvious in the text itself ruins the idea that a work should be able to stand on its own without any input from an author needed. Perhaps we should coin the Zombie of the Author theory.

I don't really object to the linking of previous comics in the {{Newspost}} to provide additional information/prove it was foreshadowed except when the information in those links is spurious to the comic in question.

See it as service to the fans and snarkers alike. It saves time for the snarkers since they got told what is wrong with the comic, and the fans like it if they are told what to think.


And I still don't know how the method acting worked, but I don't think anyone here does? The arc certainly was insane, and more 'enjoyable' than the previous arcs, with an interesting twist.

My theory: on the metaphysical plane the outside appearance is determined by the character; so if someone changes their own character, they change their appearance.


Popcorn? I take it you and everyone else will have the usual sadistic enjoyment of my analyses.

Yes, yes, I will. But I will eat sandwich, not popcorn. I like to eat a little dinner when I see a good show on my computer.


I knew that would be a useful panel. It's amazing how much more sinister it looks on its own.

I quickly made that from a slay I made back then. I can't wait to recycle those when you have reviewed the next arc.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-04, 05:21 PM
I think it's because humour often works by breaking rules, and doing the unexpected. I understand rules very wide in this. Not only laws, but also social norms, or guidelines. And since sex is such an important thing, we have a lot of rules about it. Also, we can connect to it. We all have genitals, so we can instantly connect to a situation that revolves around them.

Ah. Sociological and cultural taboos. Always good for humour.


See it as service to the fans and snarkers alike. It saves time for the snarkers since they got told what is wrong with the comic, and the fans like it if they are told what to think.

Readers: Hey, that was a pretty good comic, in fact I thi -
Mookie: Guess what! I'm going to ruin this cool twist right now by showing you just how it ruins previously established rules, plot and/or characterisation!
Fans: Wow!
Snarkers: Dammit Mookie!


My theory: on the metaphysical plane the outside appearance is determined by the character; so if someone changes their own character, they change their appearance.

So what part of the DOminus' character was amputated in less than an in-comic week?


Yes, yes, I will. But I will eat sandwich, not popcorn. I like to eat a little dinner when I see a good show on my computer.

Dinner and a show. Next review will be heavy on the show, less on the review.


I quickly made that from a slay I made back then. I can't wait to recycle those when you have reviewed the next arc.

Well I've only got a week of the sub-chapter left to go.
. . .
Long process is long. And probably not very good. But I got to reread some things I liked.

Acanous
2013-06-04, 06:54 PM
Good luck.
The last year of DD was very much the worst. Even worse than Maltak, and that's an industrial standard for suckitude.

Hyaskus
2013-06-04, 07:23 PM
Has anyone else noticed that in the Deeganverse being Blonde is the cause of most diseases such as Racism, Hedonism, And being generally Third/Fourth caste? Oh and almost all of them are now dead?

Brett Taggerty: Dead
Celesto: (The highlights) Dead
Szark Sturtz: Started as third Caste
TIM: No need for an explanation.
Serk Brakkis: Dead
King Chin-Strap The Vague: We do not see any colored pictures of him so we must assume he is Blonde because he is evil.
Stunt: Third Caste now Second.
We cannot assume the Travorias as their hair color is more of an Auburn.

Except Travoria Sister 2. She has blonde hair.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-04, 09:07 PM
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan
The Archive
The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (”http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188”) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336”) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769”) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (“http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250”) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15343520&postcount=108) Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath
Lobsters
21/03/2011 - 25/04/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15349991&postcount=125) Arcs covered: Revelation
35 Dominicke, Acte the Firste
26/04/2011 - 13/05/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15371592&postcount=152) Arcs covered: The Search For Celesto: Crystal Bubbles


Let the experiment proceed!**
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The Thirty-Fifth Parte of Dominicke Ye Mercenary Oracle: Ye Search For Celesto, A Most Lamentable Comedie, In Foure Actes, Containing Thereinn Bubbles, & Ye Introduction of Ye Kinge's Mighty Men and Thick-Witted Welding of Histories
26/04/2011 - 13/05/2011 Arcs covered: The Search For Celesto: Crystal Bubbles
Commentary: //like so//

//Geddit because Crystal Bubbles sounds like crystal baubles and crystal balls; and we all know Quiltlock Holmes likes smoking his bubble pipe. See, it's funny because it's a pun. That said, for this comic it's a pretty good pun.

//Also, how did it not occur to me that the less chapter involved the Dominus getting mind-raped by an air elemental who is somehow an air elemental even though the equalising spell should have made it(?) solid matter like the other Archmagi? Subconscious suppression of the fact due to wanting the Dominus to experience how much it hurts to have someone violently attack your mind without your consent or knowledge. (Now I have to go find my Mind Rape Counter)

//Well, guess the Archmagi are snarkers then seeing as they mind-raped the Dominus quite casually and then sent Mama Machina to her death. I do like the Archmagi even if nothing about them makes sense.//


Actus Primus

Scoena Prima, Enter Luna, sorcereſs, & Quilt, a being of diverſ fleshe outſide the town of Barthis (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-26)
Luna: 'Come away, servant, come. I am ready now.
Approach, my [Quilt], come.'

Quilt: 'All hail, great master! grave [lady], hail! I come
To answer thy best pleasure; [...] to thy strong bidding task
[Quilt] and all his quality.' (The Tempest, I, ii, l. 304 - 11)

Luna: We must seek out the '[c]elestial visages' of - (Paradise Lost, X, l. 24)

Quilt: Ah! 'Pray God my news be worth a welcome,' (1 Henry IV, i, l. 78)
For Celesto hath -

Luna:Nay, '[you] will search impossible places' (Merry Wives of Windsor, III, v, l. 131)
For news of the sky-named oracle.
Lift up thy wav'ring sight to seek him out
'Giddy Fortune's furious fickle wheel,
That goddess blind,
That stands upon the rolling restless stone' (Henry V, III, iii, l. 27 - 29)
Shall lead us to our old and errant foe.

//Because an erratic diviner fares better than a true oracle when trying to find something supposedly obscured from the Sight. What nonsense is this?//

Quilt: Aside 'This world frowns, and [Gerald]'s sun is clouded.' (3 Henry VI, II, iii, 7)

//The world can always use more Gerald//

Scoena Secunda, a room in Quilt's house (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-27)

Chorus: Aside [Audience], 'I swear I use no art at all
That [Mookie]'s mad, 'tis true, 'tis true 'tis pity,
And pity 'tis 'tis true—a foolish figure,
But farewell it, for I will use no art' (Hamlet, II, ii, l. 96 - 9) //more to explain this scene. I predicted this. And all the STGF from Luna. Would it not be most difficult to view all at once all those images?//

Luna: 'Go, clear thy crystals' (Henry V, II, iii, l. 44) and begin anew!

//I sincerely doubt this would work. Would it not be more akin to having a great multitude of eyes peering down upon the subject at once, making discovery more likely?//

Enter Pamela, in a bubble, scantily clad

Quilt: 'But, soft! what light through yonder [bubble] breaks?
It is the east, and [Pam'la] is the sun. [...]
It is my lady, O, it is my love!
O, that she knew she were! [...]
The brightness of her cheek would shame those stars,
As daylight doth a lamp; her eyes in heaven
Would through the airy region stream so bright
That birds would sing and think it were not night.
See, how she leans her cheek upon her hand!
O, that I were a glove upon that hand,
That I might touch that cheek!' (Romeo and Juliet, II, ii, l. 2 - 25)

Chorus: Aside 'Presumptuous [author], are you not ashamed
With this immodest clamorous outrage (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-04-29)
To trouble and disturb [...] us?' (1 Henry VI, IV, i, l. 125 - 127)

//Seriously, stop with the objectification of women! And it's not funny that your comedic relief as a Peeping Tom is a running gag. It's unnerving and disturbing and wrong. And not only does Mayor Pam look drunk in that scene, from that angle you should be able to see her nipple. Also, finally, I have proof that Callan doesn't seem to believe in bras. No wonder half the woman suffer from back pain. Not to mention that with the size of breasts in Callan you'd need a bra to prevent serious jiggling and getting smacked in the face with your boobs when you need to run//

Luna: Madam Pamela!
Aside 'Here is her picture: let me see; I think,
If I had such a tire*, this face of mine *tiara
Were full as lovely as is this of hers:
And yet the painter flatter'd her a little,
Unless I flatter with myself too much.
Her hair is auburn, mine is perfect yellow:
If that be all the difference in his love,
I'll get me such a colour'd periwig.
Her eyes are grey as glass, and so are mine:
Ay, but her forehead's low, and mine's as high.
What should it be that he respects in her
But I can make respective in myself,
If this fond Love were not a blinded god?' (Two Gentlemen of Verona, IV, iv, l. 167 - 179)
To Quilt Thy visions are (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-02) 'an ever-fixed mark
That looks on [Pam'la] and is never shaken' (Sonnet 116, l. 5 - 6)

//Yeah, I went there: Mayor Pam/Quilt. They're two of the nicest people in the entire comic. Shame about the whole necrophilia thing, but that's okay, maybe the Blue Fairy (or a Deegan, but same thing) can make him a real boy. And the {{puns}} in the previous strip indicate that he proud of this. As if being a Peeping Tom is harmless. It is not.

//I also find it strange that Quilt undergoes such a transformation between those two strips. He goes from not minding that he's watching a friend(?) undress to feeling mortified by it (as he rightly should), yet in the previous page he was more than content to watch it as opposed to, I don't know, looking away. Consistency: what's that? And look how Luna has a neckline until p. 2 and then it goes away. If he can't maintain that detail, why expect anything else from him?//

Luna: 'Man stands amaz'd to see his deformity
In any other creature but himself.[...]
And though continually we bear about us
A rotten and dead body, we delight
To hide it in rich tissue*; all our fear, *expensive clothes
Nay all our terror, is, lest our physician
Should put us in the ground, to be made sweet*.' *a treat for worms (The Duchess of Malfi (http://larryavisbrown.homestead.com/files/Malfi/malfi_home.htm), II, i, l. 54 - 64)
Thusly, thy pieced flesh shall be our key
To divining where our foe hides himself.
Come, sweet Quilt, to our great Lord Dominus

Quilt: But -

Luna:’Take [h]im before in all thy governance*, *rulings/doings
[A]nd on [h]im traist and call* [...] *And call and trust in him
Unto thy purpose sone [h]e sall the lede*.' *He will lead you to your purpose soon (The Kingis Quair, l. 904 - 10)

Quilt: But -

//So, in the Deeganverse the soul and the flesh are tied together? Otherwise the flesh retaining some aspect of the personality they once had wouldn't work. I have no actual quibble with using Quilt's flesh to scry on Venus as it's based off an actual magical practice. I'm pretty sure it's sympathetic magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic) "Get hold of something like someone's nail clipping and you've get 'em under your control. That's real old magic. Dawn of time stuff." (The Hogfather) However what I do object to is how they intend to use it. Sympathetic magic uses a part of/image of a person to affect that person. Given that Quilt's components are all dead, the only other possible person Quilt should be able to connect to is Jacob because he built him and infused much of his magic into him.//

Scoena tertia, the house of Lord Dominus (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-03)

//Why aren't you concerned that one of your friends is being a pervert and spying on another of your friends as she changes? You're not concerned? I understand that Mayor Pam told you off once, but - oh what am I saying, your father fetishised your girlfriend's recently murdered (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-05-13) sister (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-05-14). What's wrong with condoning your little brother's ex-girlfriend to being someone else's fetish fuel?//

Lord Dominus: Thy flesh recalls the lost, sunken mem'ries
Spun by the 'quele, that [...] so wele has quhirlit [thee]'* (The Kingis Quair, l. 1323) *wheel that has so well whirled thee
A 'froth of fleeting joy[s]' and sorrows all (The Rape of Lucrece, l. 263)
Intermix'd to form a wondering child
Now look, sweet one, and for thine own eyes:
'A dream of what thou wert, a breath, a bubble,' (Richard III , IV, iv, l 90)
Forms to shine bright light 'pon our dilemmas;
Thy past shall help save all our tomorrows.

Chorus: Aside Lord, '[y]ou sign your place and calling, in full seeming,
With meekness and humility; but your heart
Is cramm'd with arrogancy, spleen, and pride.' (Henry VIII, II, iv, l. 118 - 20)

//Not related to the strip in question, but if that doesn't fit the Dominus (and half the cast) then I'm a monkey's uncle. You have no idea how long it took me to figure out the source. Since about 2011 I had 'th'art full of arrogance and spleen' floating in my head, but I knew it was wrong, and it took me years to find that. Years and hours. //

Scoena quarta, the ether
Luna: These bubbles (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-04) with passing ease anon.
We two 'observer[s] doth thy history
Fully unfold' as 'twere a great river (Measure For Measure, I, i, 29 - 30)
A roaring pard* down mountains and great plains *lion
Luminescent with aether's high glories
Here! and here! And more, here! The past's secrets
Are unspool'd silken threads. Ours a treasure
To see the truth. Not that thy thoughts are truth (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-05),
Knave, reflect thy chaotic history.

//Where was Jacob in those flashbacks? Doesn't your inception as a free-willed being count as a momentous moment? Oh right, it wouldn't because then we'd know that your magics were founded on necromancy. Without necromancy you would fall to pieces!

//Wait. Is that (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-06) it? That tiny little bit of hair there, hidden by the bubble? Is Mookie trying to make us forget one of the best (and more interesting) characters in the webcomic? Because you know what Mookie, Jacob is one of the few antagonists who retain any amount of dignity. //

Enter Royal Battlecasters darkly garbed

Quilt: O! what masked fellows -

Luna: Battlecasters (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-09)
Royal in colour favoured patents
In array like a 'dragon wing of night' (Troilus and Cressida, V, viii, l. 17)
Why search they for our delinquent Seer?
They do scry our actions to find Venus!

//Scryception! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-10) BRRMMMM! And why do Battlecasters wear masks? You're going to run into the obvious problem (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-11)//

Quilt: We are found!

Venus: Hush my sweet fellow, 'tis I.
Here, hunted, lost, 'we are all spirits, and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And like the baseless fabric of this vision,[...]
We are such stuff || As dreams are made on' (The Tempest, IV, i, l. 149 - 157)
And fleeting dart amongst Morpheus' gifts
Though the paths be witch'd by obstructing fogs.

Gestures to Royal Battlecasters

Venus: '[Their] eyes are made the fools [by] th'other senses' (Macbeth, II, i, l. 24)
Sensible only to my creations
They see 'no[t] light, but [...] darkness visible'. (Paradise Lost, I, l. 63)
Tarry not, lest we be soon revealed,
Here: Take you this simple cipher. Farewell.

//At least here they didn't successfully scry Venus' location, he found them. Because, remember, if you've been touched by Snugglythulumon, you can't be found by the second sight!

And I'm starting to think Quilt's presience doesn't manifest itself through scrying but through some sort of auto-suggestion. Hasn't Gerald been used to solve things before? Makes sense that a chaotic, necromantic being would divine things through using the souls of dead trees.

Also: why was Venus scrying on Quilt's bedroom/house? Anyone? Magic?//

Luna: Reads from letter Gerald? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-12) Does Celesto seek to maze us?
My servant, what thinkest thou - Quilt? Hie* here! *hurry

Scoena quintam, Gerald's room, Quilt's house

Dominus: 'Now I do frown on thee with all my heart;
And if mine eyes can wound, now let them kill thee.' (As You Like It, III, v, l. 16 - 17)

//Because sometimes even I can't resist.//

Unsmiling, Gerald does not die, but instead casts a reproachful look

Dominus: Alas. goes to kill Gerald

Alarum

Quilt: Cease my lord, cease! I pray thee, cease!

Quilt and Lord Dominus fight. Quilt triumphant, grasps Gerald in relief.

Scoena sexta (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-13), the living room

Quilt: Venus, bright-eyed shall watch Szark, a duellist,
One of long acquaintance, one most intricate for
'Love is a familiar; Love is a devil:
there is no evil angel but Love. Yet was [Venus] so
tempted, and he had an excellent strength; yet was
[Young Szark] so seduced, and he had a very good wit.
Cupid's butt-shaft is too hard for Hercules' club;
and therefore too much odds for a [Seer]'s rapier.' (Love's Labours Lost, I, ii, l. 133 - 8(ish - my reference had no line numbers))

//Because even I can't resist suggesting that Szark might be gay. And because Shakespeare is flithy.//

Quilt: And here: such a clear reference to Lovecraft that my author has permitted me to break into her modern idiom to proclaim that '[t]hat is not dead which eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die'!
And this pageant, 'tis found Erossus,
That bawdy capital, like Sodom,
City of decadent debaucheries.
Venus shall attend this festival also.

//Arc wielding. Seriously. When was the last time we went to Erossus? 2004? And I thought I'd seen the last of that Hellhole. And yeah, obvious Lovecraft is obvious. And we'll get to see Mookie's version of Lovecraftian fanart. I'm pretty sure I should be dreading this, but I have an ice lolly and a can of fizzy pop, so I'm blasé. And my brain has melted.//

Lord Dominus: Aye, passing likely they both are targets
But both are held on the Day of the Maenad* *women both mad and sex-crazed who held drug-crazed frenzies in honour of Pan
Which shall our wayward companion attend?

//Dude, as Quilt said - fine, implied - he's a Seer, Champion of Chaos and someone who's spent months fighting (and training to fight) an eldritch abomination you keep ignoring. I'm pretty sure astral projection and even teleportation are skills he's mastered.

Not to mention that given how little we know about Callanian geography I can just handwave this away like so: Lynne's Brook, Barthis, Quirrel, Erossus and Prontus (wherever that is) are all within twenty miles of one another. And given that it's canon for Venus the bird to fly, there's no problem here.//

Chorus: Aside 'Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion;' (As You Like It, II, vii, l. 165 - 167)

//This pretty much sums up my thoughts on this arc, although there's a bit more below. And given that I'm the Chorus here, I think this means I just wrote DD self-insertion fanfiction snark. Or snarkfiction. Is that a thing?//

Overall thoughts?

Fun fact: every word not //bounded thusly// is found either in the Shakespeare Concordance (http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/concordance/) wherever possible or quoted from another work.

I put way too much effort into this. Certainly far more than Mookie did.

I'm more than bored of dynamic panel layouts; Venus is clearly dying for someone to give him a hand saving the world after waiting for about nine in-comic months, so no wonder he flat-out found our Two Bozos. I also refuse to believe that ROYAL BATTLECASTERS (people trained to fight against both magical and physical attacks) cannot find an incompetent Seer and his . . . guide(?) even with an unorthodox method of scrying.

This is clearly a plot orchestrated by the Blind King. He can't scry on Venus, so he'll get other people to find him, scry on those people, and then re-arrest Venus once he's been found. Easy.

And as for the arc-wielding, I'm just glad that Interchangeable Travoria Sister Number One is long gone. If I had to have another fetishy Erotic in Erossus (geddit, because it sounds like erotic! Oh, I slay me) arc with her I'd do something drastic like make a strip slay. Another plus side: no more uncomfortable sexualisation of dead women. This should not be a thing I have to complain about.

I know I shouldn't ask this, but could I have some feedback on the flow of the piece? I haven't written anything in the style of an Elizabethan/Jacobean theatre piece for ages, and never using so many disparate quotes before. Probably wasn't any good, but fun. Hope you could read it (and that my little glosses helped).

Next up: Szark (who might be gay) discusses the importance of restraint whilst talking to some adolescent boys (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-16). Nothing wrong 'bout that.

*Ages as defined by Trazoi here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9365837&postcount=479). Remember, all dates use the dd/mm/yyyy format!
**Avvie designed by ninja_penguin, many thanks for letting me use it.

Well. That was a thing that happened.

Acanous
2013-06-04, 09:26 PM
What in the lemon-scented foop did I just read?

Well, it's better than the normal dialogue.

SaintRidley
2013-06-04, 09:26 PM
That was a wonderful thing that happened.

I rather enjoyed the quote play, and it seemed appropriate here.

Landis963
2013-06-04, 09:53 PM
You had a lot of fun with that one, I can tell.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-04, 09:53 PM
What in the lemon-scented foop did I just read?

It arose from a comment I made a page or two ago wherein I was trying to describe how bad DD was, only to realise that the only way to describe DD in all its glory was to describe DD.
So I ended up adapting a few lines from Anthony and Cleopatra (it's a thing thing that is shap'd like itself) in an effort to describe DD as a self-demonstrating example of ineptness.

Then I started wondering if I could do an entire review like that. And I did. Because I have odd ideas.

And I think it was in part inspired by Vinyaden's Eliot-inspired strip slays as I just think those are amazing.

It's actually rather hard to read each strip in isolation and think of appropriate quotations for them. So extra props to him/her(?).


Well, it's better than the normal dialogue.

Well the bar's hardly set very high is it? And when you're quoting Shakespeare, Milton and John Webster, and James I of Scotland (the author of The Kingis Quair (a very lovely early-C15th dream poem written in the Scots dialect)) who had certain standards to follow, you naturally have to up your game.


That was a wonderful thing that happened.

I rather enjoyed the quote play, and it seemed appropriate here.

:smallredface:
Thanks.

I was tempted to quote Chaucer, Langland and some of the older poets/ones who wrote on more obscure dialects (Layamon's Brut, what are you?) and languages, but I decided that C15th Scots was pushing it as it was.
That said, I still would have liked to work "Mesure* is medicine" (size=1]moderation[/size] in there somewhere as an actual character saying it, but I couldn't find how.
That and quoting Piers Plowman is so frustrating.

As for the appropriateness, I suppose it would make sense to have a different language used in the metaphysical/etherial/whatever place they were. You know, as a verbal shorthand.
Which honestly, would work very well seeing as Mookie almost never bothers to supply backgrounds or details or anything like that to his comic.


You had a lot of fun with that one, I can tell.

Yep! It's the challenge of trying to think of good quotes that match the visuals/'plot' without picking massive speeches and using manipulative editing to create what I want.

That said, I'd have liked to get more Paradise Lost in there, but Milton's dense, reference heavy poetry is to Shakespeare what Shakespeare is to Mookie. What I wanted to describe the Royal Battlecaster's was either a description about the arrays of the Host and the Legion in their raiment facing one another across Heaven's expanse or one of the demons garbing themselves in elaborate finery to mimic the glories they'd lost in the Fall.

Alas. I didn't have time to read the full three book flashback about the War in Heaven, or Book One in its entirety with the attention the book needs when reading for the purposes of quoting.

It also makes me feel smug because I put more effort into a relatively comedic/'academic' review of a sucky webcomic.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-06-04, 10:19 PM
Curly, as a fan of the Bard, and an English graduate, I love you.

In another world, you wrote DD yourself using such quotes entire, and it was Magnificent. The multiverse demands it so!

The Troubadour
2013-06-04, 11:18 PM
Absolutely loved it the "playnalysis", Curly!

Trazoi
2013-06-04, 11:54 PM
This is all getting too cultural for Dominic Deegan. :smallsmile:

As well as the great quotes, I like that you're posting your expectations for where the comic is going. I'm keen to see what you make of 2011 once you've finished reading it.

AMX
2013-06-05, 06:23 AM
I noticed some of the links in The Archive are broken - they have handed quotes instead of straight quotes, so the URLs end up with some mangled UTF-8 where there should be a simple "http:"

So I went through the whole thing and fixed them.
:smallsmile:

The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15343520&postcount=108) Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath
Lobsters
21/03/2011 - 25/04/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15349991&postcount=125) Arcs covered: Revelation
35 Dominicke, Acte the Firste
26/04/2011 - 13/05/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15371592&postcount=152) Arcs covered: The Search For Celesto: Crystal Bubbles

Welf
2013-06-05, 01:14 PM
Ah. Sociological and cultural taboos. Always good for humour.

Eyup. Because, what else are those good for? (Aside from keeping society going on)


Dinner and a show. Next review will be heavy on the show, less on the review.

That was a lot of show. I even had my sandwich. Pity I'm not a native speaker.

Hyaskus
2013-06-05, 09:28 PM
May I remind everyone that this was a thing? http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-12-23

Imagine how better DD could have been if this had been the norm?

Landis963
2013-06-05, 10:57 PM
May I remind everyone that this was a thing? http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-12-23

Imagine how better DD could have been if this had been the norm?

...Not actually seeing anything better about it except the coloring. And that's not exactly Mookie's department, if the acknowledgements line on the bottom is any indication.

Zaq
2013-06-05, 11:19 PM
So that was like a strip slay, only instead of pulling panels from different DD comics, you pulled quotes from the entire body of Shakespeare (and then some).

Curly, you make me feel inadequate. Like, just in general.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-06-06, 05:50 PM
May I remind everyone that this was a thing? http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-12-23

Imagine how better DD could have been if this had been the norm?

Dominus dating his gender-bent clone?

I guess no one really is good enough for a Deegan than a Deegan...

Hyaskus
2013-06-06, 09:00 PM
Dominus dating his gender-bent clone?

I guess no one really is good enough for a Deegan than a Deegan...

Exactly. That way when Dominique gets stabbed with the Huk-Thak rather than non-deegan Luna then it would be all the more meaningful! Not to mention the whole Urban Eddie thing....

Hyaskus
2013-06-07, 08:05 PM
So I was doing an Archive binge (Don't ask why) When I found that Mookie tends to recycle names http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2007-01-03 http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2006-10-14

Lazy Mookie, or possible storyline in which Domini-me finds he has a long lost father in possession of the only dog in the Dominion?

SaintRidley
2013-06-07, 09:15 PM
Eh, Mookie never was good at creating a world that ran on anything resembling logic. If he did, that could be explained by Fallin being a common surname in Callan. As is, though, it's probably Mookie completely forgetting he had already used it.

Hyaskus
2013-06-08, 12:16 AM
Either way that is literally the only dog in the Dominion. (Were-wolves don't count) And now that I think about it Spark is the only cat as well...

Wraith
2013-06-08, 06:32 AM
Are you suggesting that Spark is some kind of devious Master of Disguise, living out several parallel lives as several 'only' members of otherwise non-existent species while under the care - or, perhaps, while silently observing - the poor rubes that he takes on as 'owners'?

....Because the extra sources of external nutrition would, at least, explain how he lives to be over six-hundred cat-years old without ever being fed by the Deegans....

Either that or he is at least 2 of the Doctors....

Hyaskus
2013-06-08, 12:49 PM
"Are you suggesting that Spark is some kind of devious Master of Disguise, living out several parallel lives as several 'only' members of otherwise non-existent species while under the care - or, perhaps, while silently observing - the poor rubes that he takes on as 'owners'"

Exactly. He also has the power to duplicate himself as evidence to when he took the shape of the only Horse in the Dominion despite appear in the back with Dominus and Luna, And that very same horse is what we see when Rrrrrreinholdt and Cassafin return to Callan from Maltak. Alas, throughout the years Spark had grown quite insane without having any of his kind to speak to. In his mad plea for companion ship he created the only squirrel in the Dominion but not even that could aid Spark. Some even go as far as saying that Spark's unholy madness created a conduit for his power: The Dominus himself. If true then this can prove that Spark is the real mastermind, evident by the Mookreators love for
cats.

FrankLuke
2013-06-12, 10:29 AM
Name: FrankLuke
Started reading: In 2012 with an archive binge.
Joined GitP thread: Lurked for months before posting this.
Starting disposition: I actually liked the first archive binge sessions in those early arcs.
Time to convert: Battle for Barthis sealed the deal.
Current stance: Contempt for all things Mookie.

It's over. I've lurked here for months but signed up just so I could comment in this thread.

I found DD sometime last year, not long before he announced it was going to end. As with other webcomics, I started an archive binge. My first thought was, "the art is shaky but he'll get better. After all, there are years of this comic!" I actually liked it at first. The jokes were okay, and I like the occasional groaner. My wife says that my definition of occasional is still too frequent for her tastes.

I thought there was room for improvement, but hey, he was just starting and pursuing his dream. I can get behind both of those. Then things started to slip. I don't remember exactly where I started saying, "this should have gotten better by now," but I said it. For some reason, like watching a train wreck, I couldn't stop the archive binge. I held out a fragile hope it would improve. The Battle for Barthis smashed that hope into a billion pieces which could never be put back together.

Stonewater. Melna. I will say no more. I hated that very concept, and then the way Mookie didn't handle it was even worse. And it got worse. Luna made a joke speaking with Melna that destroyed any respect I would ever have for Luna. Then I did Maltak in a single binge session. Gawk! The pacing issues don't go away when you are speeding through it!

There are so many problems with the story. You guys know them, and I won't even begin to list them because I'll forget something.

I'm reading Curly's review archive and hope to see that finished. In the final months of the comic, I only went to the website a few times to see if anything had really happened. I would wait weeks between visits and almost nothing had changed in the situation.

I kept up with the comic mainly because of the snark threads and found therapy in you guys giving it the MST3K treatment in the slays and your analysis of the comic. And now we have Star Power to fill our snarking needs.

Snark on and slay out!

random11
2013-06-16, 11:29 PM
While we are waiting for the next Curly review, might as well write what really annoyed me about the bubble scry arc.

In the teacher arc, we were told along with the students that scrying and seer powers are useless without understanding of the world around to help interpret the visions.

I can't say that this arc is when the idea died since it was never really alive in the first place, but this is where it was obvious that things are never going to develop without pure magic.

The hero of this arc was Quilt. The only character who had the sense to look for Celesto by tracking his contacts.
Not only his work is not appreciated, it is ignored, ridiculed, and the main hero even wanted to throw it all without even a glance.

Worst thing, he was right! The answer WAS in the articles he collected.
Our main hero wanted to toss out the only clue about Celesto, and somehow Quilt is the one that is seen as a comic relief.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-18, 04:41 PM
Curly, as a fan of the Bard, and an English graduate, I love you.

English grad high five!
*high fives*
That said, while I do like Shakespeare he's not my favourite playwright. And plays aren't my favourite area of study/reading either, my focus was probably rather unusual. But still!


In another world, you wrote DD yourself using such quotes entire, and it was Magnificent. The multiverse demands it so!

In another world I might have made a small amount of money writing a Shakespeare-influenced webcomic with an actual plot and artwork that improved over time.
If I were to rewrite DD from scratch with play dialogue it would be substantially shorter. And better plotted. And would require a re-draw. At which point I'd just give up and write my own webcomic.

That said, thank you very much for the compliments/


Absolutely loved it the "playnalysis", Curly!

Thanks! It was rather fun to do, although it rather saturated my memory and speech so that I spent about a week speaking in Elizabethan/Jacobean theatrical dialogue (and pseudo the same) on and off. And I never really noticed just how easy some of the shorter quotations stick in your head.
Even after a fortnight of less intense reading I still found myself quoting Shakespeare.
True story: I was at the Chinese Saturday running an errand for a neighbour and while waiting for my order I played peekaboo with a toddler. When her family had the order she slipped off the bench and tripped over. I picked her up and my very first thought was "Clear thy crystals", fortunately I didn't say that and just passed her off to her mum.


This is all getting too cultural for Dominic Deegan. :smallsmile:

Monty Python is too cultural for Dominic Deegan.


As well as the great quotes, I like that you're posting your expectations for where the comic is going. I'm keen to see what you make of 2011 once you've finished reading it.

2011: A Year In Review? Couldn't hurt. And as I see it, my expectations were just the commentary of a less-than-academically mind academian. The Informal Annotations. A series designed to encourage people to read footnotes/endnotes of a work of fiction in order to facilitate their understanding of now obscure or strange references made by the author, as well as explanatory notes and explaining how certain ideas motifs are recurrent throughout the work.
I seriously love footnotes and annotations, and when you focus on medieval stuff (and older), you can be in a situation where there's commentary on the commentary (rather like House of Leaves, before it became 'surreal'). See, commentaries were a valid -
oh right. Might not be interesting to people. If people are interested I can elucidate though.


I noticed some of the links in The Archive are broken - they have handed quotes instead of straight quotes, so the URLs end up with some mangled UTF-8 where there should be a simple "http:"

So I went through the whole thing and fixed them.
:smallsmile:

*snips*

Thanks for that. I'll use this for the rest of the reviews.


Eyup. Because, what else are those good for? (Aside from keeping society going on)

Social commentary and fodder for comedians and satirists?]


That was a lot of show. I even had my sandwich. Pity I'm not a native speaker.

Well, I hope you enjoyed as much of it as possible; it really is hard to translate Shakespeare into foreign languages isn't it?


May I remind everyone that this was a thing? http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-12-23

Imagine how better DD could have been if this had been the norm?

Ah, fem!Dom, I think that's where Mookie got the model for the actual fem!Dom drama queen.


So that was like a strip slay, only instead of pulling panels from different DD comics, you pulled quotes from the entire body of Shakespeare (and then some).

Curly, you make me feel inadequate. Like, just in general.

:smallsmile: Thanks. Quoteslays are fun, but a part of me still thinks I could have made a better one if I'd assigned a Shakespeare character (or character type (or play type)) to each DD character and then went a-quoting that way. Because Heaven knows it wasn't hard enough. That said, I'm rather proud of my work.


I guess no one really is good enough for a Deegan than a Deegan...

Alas, Mama Deegan didn't birth any females, and the one chance of there being a female Deegan-by-birth turned out to be a Travoria. Think of that what you will.


"Are you suggesting that Spark is some kind of devious Master of Disguise, living out several parallel lives as several 'only' members of otherwise non-existent species while under the care - or, perhaps, while silently observing - the poor rubes that he takes on as 'owners'"

Exactly. He also has the power to duplicate himself as evidence to when he took the shape of the only Horse in the Dominion despite appear in the back with Dominus and Luna, And that very same horse is what we see when Rrrrrreinholdt and Cassafin return to Callan from Maltak. Alas, throughout the years Spark had grown quite insane without having any of his kind to speak to. In his mad plea for companion ship he created the only squirrel in the Dominion but not even that could aid Spark. Some even go as far as saying that Spark's unholy madness created a conduit for his power: The Dominus himself. If true then this can prove that Spark is the real mastermind, evident by the Mookreators love for cats.

This is a theory which I wholeheartedly support. Spark is a shapeshifter and is actually every single animal seen in the comic.


Name: FrankLuke
Started reading: In 2012 with an archive binge.
Joined GitP thread: Lurked for months before posting this.
Starting disposition: I actually liked the first archive binge sessions in those early arcs.
Time to convert: Battle for Barthis sealed the deal.
Current stance: Contempt for all things Mookie.

It's over. I've lurked here for months but signed up just so I could comment in this thread.

[...]

I'm reading Curly's review archive and hope to see that finished. In the final months of the comic, I only went to the website a few times to see if anything had really happened. I would wait weeks between visits and almost nothing had changed in the situation.

I kept up with the comic mainly because of the snark threads and found therapy in you guys giving it the MST3K treatment in the slays and your analysis of the comic. And now we have Star Power to fill our snarking needs.

Snark on and slay out!

The reviews will be finished soon (hopefully), and I'm glad you're enjoying them and the snark threads in general.


While we are waiting for the next Curly review, might as well write what really annoyed me about the bubble scry arc.

In the teacher arc, we were told along with the students that scrying and seer powers are useless without understanding of the world around to help interpret the visions.

I can't say that this arc is when the idea died since it was never really alive in the first place, but this is where it was obvious that things are never going to develop without pure magic.

The hero of this arc was Quilt. The only character who had the sense to look for Celesto by tracking his contacts.
Not only his work is not appreciated, it is ignored, ridiculed, and the main hero even wanted to throw it all without even a glance.

Worst thing, he was right! The answer WAS in the articles he collected.
Our main hero wanted to toss out the only clue about Celesto, and somehow Quilt is the one that is seen as a comic relief.

Ha! Continuity. Such a strange and wonderful concept. This comic can't even keep art continuity within the same damn strip. That teaching arc was back when there was some vague hope left within our hearts. I mean, who even explains those rules only to completely discard them for absolutely no reason and, in fact, forgets they even established them in the first place?!
(Doctor Who (sometimes))
Avoiding such a complex issue as basic continuity I will simply point out that, for the most part, the most likeable/interesting/sympathetic (or even genuinely likeable/interesting/sympathetic) characters in this comic are almost always those who are or once were enemies of the Deegans at some point.
StuntnBumper, Jacob, Rilian, Siggy, Warlord Moustache, Quilt . . . Oh wait. Runcible Spoon has never, to my recollection, been an enemy of a Deegan, and Elanovan (aka Donovan) is actually a Deegan.

EDIT:

Expect Whatever This Arc's Called pt 2 up before the weekend. I'm actually a bit ill, so I'll suffer more while I snark.

Cavelcade
2013-06-18, 05:46 PM
Monty Python is too cultural for Dominic Deegan.


I don't like what you're implying about Monty Python nearly as much as I like what you say about DD!!

SaintRidley
2013-06-18, 05:58 PM
This weekend? Excellent. I'm putting together a paper, so your analysis will be my reward for making it through my first draft.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-18, 06:10 PM
I don't like what you're implying about Monty Python nearly as much as I like what you say about DD!!

Why? I genuinely believe it. After all, when five-sixths of the troupe is Oxbridge and their sketches quite literally swing between elaborate jokes based varying schools of philosophy to Hell's Grannies to beating people up with a fish.
It's one of those shows that combines crude humour and violence with something based upon something very intellectual, and everything in between.
Take The Holy Grail: in about ninety minutes it satirises and parodies most medieval Arthurian literature, romances, musicals and so on and so forth. You can from jokes about mud, filth and faeces, to a joke based around flagellating monks (where a big punchline is in Latin) to mocking entire character traits.
Monty Python sketches and films are legitimate sources for academic papers and texts.
So yes, Monty Python is infinitely more cultural than DD not just in its sources, but in its treatment of them, and its own influence on modern day culture.

What has DD actually contributed to culture (including internet culture)? It has lead a culture of snarkers that have taken many ideas and concepts from the comic and created a far more coherent and intelligent snark!culture and fanbase than it has for its own canon universe.

@SaintRidley: Yay! My stuff is a reward. May I ask about the topic of your paper or is it a secret? [/devious academic machinations]
Because seriously, I've known undergrads who were more possessive about their weekly essay topic ideas than PhD students with potential publishing deals.

SaintRidley
2013-06-18, 06:31 PM
I think Cavelcade was pointing out that by putting Monty Python next to Dominic Deegan, it implies that Monty Python has minimal amounts of culture to it (what with that being all that's necessary to pass Dominic Deegan).

Perhaps Barney and Friends, or the weird baby pony version of My Little Pony, or Fox News would make a good comparison point instead.

As for my paper, I'm working on visual representation of Jews in Anglo-Saxon manuscripts, with an eye toward why Old Testament Hebrews are basically depicted like they're Anglo-Saxons.

Cavelcade
2013-06-18, 06:42 PM
I think Cavelcade was pointing out that by putting Monty Python next to Dominic Deegan, it implies that Monty Python has minimal amounts of culture to it (what with that being all that's necessary to pass Dominic Deegan).

This is pretty much it - because of all that you said. Monty Python is incredibly cultural in it's own way, DD is incredibly...nothing in it's own way.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-18, 06:44 PM
I think Cavelcade was pointing out that by putting Monty Python next to Dominic Deegan, it implies that Monty Python has minimal amounts of culture to it (what with that being all that's necessary to pass Dominic Deegan).

Perhaps Barney and Friends, or the weird baby pony version of My Little Pony, or Fox News would make a good comparison point instead.

Probably, but my brain isn't working - that Chinese place I mentioned earlier? Mild case of food poisoning. Also, I honestly don't know anything about those three other than:
the Barney song burns in all the fires of Hell forever.
MLP: FiM's pretty cool, but that's literally all I've ever been exposed to in that franchise.
Fox is the go-to news station for bashing.


As for my paper, I'm working on visual representation of Jews in Anglo-Saxon manuscripts, with an eye toward why Old Testament Hebrews are basically depicted like they're Anglo-Saxons.

Ooooh, that sounds so interesting. Have you looked at the Junius manuscript at all? I've not really looked at many Old English illuminated manuscripts aside from that and a very little bit of the OE Hexateuch - and I think that was to illustrate a point (hahahahaha) in a literature/theology crossover lecture series than anything in depth.

SaintRidley
2013-06-18, 07:10 PM
I'm actually using illustrations from the Hexateuch for this paper. Your post prompted me to try again at finding a digitized version of the Junius manuscript that's not behind a paywall.

And I totally did (http://manuscripts.cmrs.ucla.edu/languages_list.php). New favorite resource? Hells yes.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-18, 07:27 PM
I'm actually using illustrations from the Hexateuch for this paper. Your post prompted me to try again at finding a digitized version of the Junius manuscript that's not behind a paywall.

And I totally did (http://manuscripts.cmrs.ucla.edu/languages_list.php). New favorite resource? Hells yes.

First off darling: I think I love you for finding that resource and linking it to me.

Second off: odd coincidence that. Then again, when thinking about illustrations of Jews in OE manuscripts there's only so many of them.
And thanks to the fact that I became enamoured of the Junius manuscript in first year, and distinctly remember a tutorial where I brought up and discussed similarities between Genesis B and Paradise Lost (and the theory about Milton seeing the manuscript) where I was introduced to the illustrations via a paywall'd digitisation.
There's a thought: the illustrations in Junius are only for genesis A and B and part of Exodus, and they're very much cast in the heroic epic style. So literary convention dictating the art style? Not to mention one has to wonder how many Anglo-Saxons (particularly illuminators) ever actually saw a Jew in person.
Oh, no you've got me thinking and reaching for my history books and sources.
(Awesome)
I blame you if I'm late with the next review! :smalltongue:

random11
2013-06-19, 01:43 PM
Ha! Continuity. Such a strange and wonderful concept. This comic can't even keep art continuity within the same damn strip. That teaching arc was back when there was some vague hope left within our hearts. I mean, who even explains those rules only to completely discard them for absolutely no reason and, in fact, forgets they even established them in the first place?!
(Doctor Who (sometimes))
Avoiding such a complex issue as basic continuity I will simply point out that, for the most part, the most likeable/interesting/sympathetic (or even genuinely likeable/interesting/sympathetic) characters in this comic are almost always those who are or once were enemies of the Deegans at some point.
StuntnBumper, Jacob, Rilian, Siggy, Warlord Moustache, Quilt . . . Oh wait. Runcible Spoon has never, to my recollection, been an enemy of a Deegan, and Elanovan (aka Donovan) is actually a Deegan.

It's not like I expected continuity, it's just that from now on, there will no longer be any obstacles that will not be solved by pure magic, usually without any effort.

And it just gets more and more noticeable every arc.


At least Doctor Who has an excuse of being written by different writers.



EDIT:

Expect Whatever This Arc's Called pt 2 up before the weekend. I'm actually a bit ill, so I'll suffer more while I snark.

On the positive side, if you feel the taste of vomit in your mouth you won't be sure if it's because you are ill, or because you had an overdose of the Luna and Greg duo.

PhantomFox
2013-06-19, 06:46 PM
That reminds me, I've been playing League of Legends recently, and finally figured out who Draven reminds me of: Warlord Mustache! Check it out!

http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/8/82/Draven_OriginalSkin.jpg

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-19, 07:21 PM
It's not like I expected continuity, it's just that from now on, there will no longer be any obstacles that will not be solved by pure magic, usually without any effort.

And it just gets more and more noticeable every arc.

It's the laziness growing. When we do have continuity I think it's because Mookie decided to archive binge a chapter or two of his comic and then make something vaguely related to what was in that section of his comic.


At least Doctor Who has an excuse of being written by different writers.

And even then there are rules that are somewhat consistent. Not about actual time travel for the most part, but about characters, species, groups and pieces of machinery.


On the positive side, if you feel the taste of vomit in your mouth you won't be sure if it's because you are ill, or because you had an overdose of the Luna and Greg duo.

No, that's pt. 3. This part is about Szark and his fencing school. Because a former mass killer with a sexually depraved past is the best person to teach teenagers how to fence! Not to mention the whole 'was once possessed by a Demon Lord and later was used as a fall guy in a murder case' thing.
I get four months of Szark and him teaching a group of adolescents how to safely use a sword. :smallannoyed: I'm still trying to decide whether or not I should make the obvious euphemistic jokes or not.


That reminds me, I've been playing League of Legends recently, and finally figured out who Draven reminds me of: Warlord Mustache! Check it out!

http://images.wikia.com/leagueoflegends/images/8/82/Draven_OriginalSkin.jpg

That is eerie.

ION:
The review is finally in-progress. But I must be in a seriously bitchy mood because I've spent the last forty-five minutes or so complaining about the comic's lettering in what is likely too much detail.
It really is amazing how ugly the comic can get when you start thinking. (Or possibly looking to assign blame)

Cracklord
2013-06-20, 04:07 AM
So I doubt any of you remember me, I was an infrequent poster who gave up in disgust around about the time the nefarious invisible king finally revealed his face. Nonetheless, I feel the loss of this comic, hearing about it's expiry now. Oh, it wasn't well drawn, or well told, or consistent, or… well, as we often lamented, there was a potential there, some of the ideas always had merit, and Mookie would always find a way to make us imagine things were improving before tirelessly showing that no, there were further depths that the comic could plummet.

But I come to bury this comic, not to review it, so I offer a belated eulogy here to Dominic Deegan and the world he ruled with an Iron Fist, and so I lament the passing of things diverse and terrible. I mourn the Jocks, and Tagertty their king, given life and motion but not will, existing only to be sent into damnation. But do not repent, for your sins were not your own. A choice was never given to you, free will was not yours nor was identity or the burdens of choice. Know that your blame lies with your creator.

I grieve for Gregory, not what he became but for what he could of been, for the potential before it was squandered. So Gregory, most ill-treated and tormented of the first caste, who suffered the whims of a capricious deity and was molded like clay time and time again, no that, at long last, your trials are over, and that you are free.

I shed a tear for groin-punch dwarf, but raise a toast in his name. He was given only a little time, but he used it to the best advantage, achieving in those few panels more then we could have hoped or dreamed.

But most of all, I mourn you, Warlord Mustache. You were a paragon, a shining light that illuminated all you touched before being taken before your time. You, who were born in a world like this, where your choices were irrelevant and your free-will non-existent, a spectator to your own life. But you proved yourself a hero, when you broke the shackles woven around your kind, and swore 'no more'! You who fought against the very laws of the universe and fabric of reality in defiance of the your creator, who shook the foundations of the thrones your enslavers built their laws upon, and who gave the world it a chance to be something other then what it was. You who for a brief, shining moment tore open the heavens and set the prisoners free, giving them the chance to free themselves from tyranny and the yoke of the oppression that the universe had set as their portion.

So farewell, Domnic Deegan, Oracle for Hire. The world is richer for your loss.

Welf
2013-06-20, 10:08 AM
Well, I hope you enjoyed as much of it as possible; it really is hard to translate Shakespeare into foreign languages isn't it?

Difficult, but possible. Shakespeare was very influential on German literature when it developed in its modern form between 1770 and 1800. There are regularly new translations. Wikipedia claims that Shakespeare is today the second most quoted source after the bible.
How fitting those translations are I can't say. Every translation is an interpretation (thus the new translations), but my understanding of the English language isn't deep enough to get the differences. But in itself, those translations are excellent works of art.

Thufir
2013-06-20, 07:00 PM
Well, it's been a while since I last checked this thread on the off-chance Curly had come back and oh look.


After a quick read, I think I'm going to spoiler this little tangent, because it's somewhat of an author filibuster provoking beserk button, feel free to read/skim if you want.

I love reading your rants!
Also, I think I wrote a blog post on a somewhat related topic to this, so it resonates with me a bit.


If you look back through my archive there are some fairly impressive rants and things in there. Plus I made a drinking game out of Maltak and did the entire thing in one sitting over New year's Eve.
I ran out of booze. Then the house ran out of booze.

It was hilarious and tragic at the same time.


I don't know about guys, do you openly discuss wet dreams and the like, or is it one of those things that is understood but never spoken of.

Depends on the guys in question tbh.


A nice bit of abject grovelling is flattering. And given my location in the arse-end of nowhere it'd take too long and more than one train to get a chance to improve trepanning skills.

This is what you have minions for! (But please don't actually go for this as I don't really want to spend loads of money on trains right now)


By the way, Curly, should we ever wind up at a conference together I'd like to treat you to a drink.

Just don't try to outdrink her. You'll lose, and it'll cost you far too much money.


The Thirty-Fifth Parte of Dominicke Ye Mercenary Oracle: Ye Search For Celesto, A Most Lamentable Comedie, In Foure Actes, Containing Thereinn Bubbles, & Ye Introduction of Ye Kinge's Mighty Men and Thick-Witted Welding of Histories

Oh my Goddess. You are the actual best.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-21, 01:31 PM
My granddad's been hospitalised with suspected multiple strokes. My priorities care nothing about the reviews now.

FrankLuke
2013-06-21, 03:39 PM
My granddad's been hospitalised with suspected multiple strokes. My priorities care nothing about the reviews now.

I am so sorry to hear about your grandfather. Your priorities are in the right order.

Thufir
2013-06-21, 08:36 PM
My granddad's been hospitalised with suspected multiple strokes. My priorities care nothing about the reviews now.

:frown:

Universe, why you mean to Koorly?
Seriously, from what I recall, you've suffered far more stuff in the past few years than anyone should ever have to.

MReav
2013-06-21, 08:54 PM
My granddad's been hospitalised with suspected multiple strokes. My priorities care nothing about the reviews now.

You get to that man and you love the hell out of him.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-06-21, 09:56 PM
Using the internet on a borrowed phone is bizarre. Typing something long using a phone's numberpad is frustrating.

Good news: he's fine. They're reasonably sure he didn't have a stroke, or if he did there were few to no side effects aside from some minor slurring that might just be medication or age. He's eighty-four after all.
Still, he'll be having a brain scan as soon as possible (so six weeks (thanks NHS and rural areas)) just to make very sure.

So relieved right now. As it is I've actually been glued to a mobile (for the first time in over a year) waiting for news.

Bed is looking good, got a while to go before I get there.

Thanks for the well wishes.

The Troubadour
2013-06-22, 11:14 AM
Hope your grandfather has a speedy recovery, Curly!

SaintRidley
2013-06-22, 11:43 AM
Indeed, all the best to him. Your priorities are good and ordered.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-06-22, 02:37 PM
I hope everything turns out well. I just went through the same situation with my grampa, so I know how it must feel. Take care.

Neoriceisgood
2013-06-23, 04:11 AM
All the best to you and your family, Curly.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-01, 06:43 PM
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, help yourself to some popcorn, and welcome to the next episode of

Analysing Dominus Deegan
The Archive
The Golden Age*
A Frail Hope of Adequate Enjoyment
21/05/2002 - 17/07/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9363811&postcount=463) Arcs covered: Oracle for Hire, The Curse
The First Signs of Serious Psychological Issues Appear
18/07/2002 - 4/12/2002 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9364872&postcount=472) Arcs covered: The Curse, Luna, Into the Woods
In Which Teh Great Dominus Indulges in Torture and Terrifies Me
5/12/2002 - 21/02/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9369803&postcount=536) Arcs covered: Into the Woods, Couch Forts and Crying
Dominatrix Luna. Oh, and The Dominus is More Feared Than A Necromancer
22/01/2003 - 11/03/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9372062&postcount=575) Arcs covered: Makeover!, Mob Mentality
Thing Are Looking Up
12/03/2003 - 30/04/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9376074&postcount=627) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts One and Two
Siggy Is Iesus. Make of That What You Will
01/05/2003 -23/06/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9382115&postcount=689) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Three and Four
The Great Dominus Is Officially A Marty Stue an It's THRILLER! THRILLER NIGHT!
24/06/2003 - 19/08/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9395033&postcount=816) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Five and Six
Character Development! And We Conclude an Arc
20/08/2003 - 10/09/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9405012&postcount=896) Arcs covered: Visions of Doom Parts Seven and Eight
Short Arc Is Short
11/09/2003 - 21/10/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9411472&postcount=967) Arcs covered: The Party
The Tarnished Age
Hell Is Meaningless Filler
23/10/2003 - 20/11/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9417823&postcount=1023) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Part One
Kink + Dominus Deegan = Eye and Brain Bleach
11/11/2003 - 16/12/2003 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9430410&postcount=1040) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Two and Three
Inflatable Boobs and Sex! Occasional Plotting Is Permitted
17/12/2003 - 30/01/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9435470&postcount=1084) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Four and Five
Enter: Deus Ex Machina! And Boobs.
31/01/2005 - 19/04/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9442672&postcount=1119) Arcs covered: The Ecstasy and the Evil Parts Six and Seven
Mookie Reveals More of His Sexual Fantasies. And Noone Ever Suffers From Any Effects of A Near-Rape. Ever!
20/04/2004 -26/05/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9450480&postcount=1168) Arcs covered: TEatE Parts Eight and Nine
The Silver Age
The Corruption of Sister Pam. Iocks Are Misogynistic Idiots.
27/05/2004 - 27/08/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455668&postcount=1225) Arcs covered: Hello Nurse
All Hands On Deck! Swirly Thing Alert!
06/09/2004 - 22/10/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461886&postcount=1291) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts One and Two
Darlings, Can't You Hear My SoS?
25/010/2004 - 28/11/2004 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9463671&postcount=1296) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Three and Four
Attack of the Pointless Sub-Plots!
29/11/2004 - 06/01/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9483444&postcount=1386) Arcs covered: The Storm of Souls Parts Five and Six
Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No! It's SuperGreg!
07/01/2005 - 24/02/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9510705&postcount=147) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Seven and Eight
Analysing Dominus Deegan The Musical
25/02/2005 - 31/03/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9517469&postcount=177) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Nine and Ten
Venus Gets Angry, and the Dominus Doesn't Have A Leg To Stand On
01/04/2005 - 05/06/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9520177&postcount=188) Arcs covered: TSoS Parts Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen
The Bronze Age
CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! :smallbiggrin: I Have Flashbacks to WoT
13/06/2005 - 09/07/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9521038&postcount=197) Arcs covered: My First Day and Interlude Versions One and Two
Contrived Coincidences and Rape Have Broken Me
11/07/2005 - 25/10/2005 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9553092&postcount=473) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Part One
A Hug Makes Me Furious
26/10/2005 - 09/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9560497&postcount=568) Arcs covered: The Battle For Barthis Parts Two and Three
A Melna Special: The Explanation
01/01/2006 - 27/01/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9565256&postcount=648) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Part One
This Episode Erupts With Kittens! Well, It Should
30/01/2006 - 06/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9574379&postcount=739) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Two and Three
I Dwell on the Paradox That Is Mookie
07/03/2006 - 20/03/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9580800&postcount=824) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Four and Five
Time To 'Save' Szark!
21/03/2006 - 28/05/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9588080&postcount=892) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Six and Seven[
Assassination and Moustaches
30/05/2006 - 11/07/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9628680&postcount=1242) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Eight and Nine
R.I.P. Siggy
12/07/2006 - 01/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9638321&postcount=1379) Arcs covered: The War In Hell Parts Ten and Eleven and Interlude: The Best of Dominic Deegan
The Iron Age
This Comic Is NOT Shakespeare
04/09/2006 - 16/09/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9654536&postcount=130) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not To Thief? Part One
If I Want Mafia, I'll Watch Bugsy Malone
17/09/2009 - 14/10/2009 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9670693&postcount=188) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Two and Three
Time To Take the Offensive
15/10/2006 - 18/11/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9940136&postcount=580) Arcs covered: Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Four and Five
The Break Up
19/11/2006 - 10/12/2006 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9945912&postcount=598) Arcs covered Two Thief Or Not Two Thief? Parts Six and Seven
The Ice Age
Boobs. Nothing More. BOOBS!!
11/12/2006 - 15/01/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9954445&postcount=635) Arcs covered: Wrapped Up and Returned, Class Action Part One
Melna. Loves. Her. Rapist.
16/01/2007 - 18/03/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9961326&postcount=666) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Two and Three
Oh. Geography.
19/03/2007 - 23/05/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9967513&postcount=723) Arcs covered: Class Action Parts Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight
It's Worse Than I Imagined
24/05/2007 - 21/08/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9982594&postcount=838) Arcs covered: Snowsong
I Drank Too Much
22/08/2007 - 06/12/2007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9997372&postcount=919) Arcs covered: Shadow of Siegfried
Short, But Not Sweet
07/12/2007 - 23/122007 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10003244&postcount=967) Arcs covered: Endings and Annoyances
My Counters Explode. So do I. Part One (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030560&postcount=1209) and Part Two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10030568&postcount=1210)
01/01/2008 - 24/04/2008 Arcs covered: The Oracle Hunter
The Dragon Age
. . . Meh.
25/04/2008 - 25/05/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10044662&postcount=1308) Arcs covered: Oh, Snap
Dull.
26/05/2008 - 29/06/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10056515&postcount=1358) Arcs covered: Around the World Airship to Nagastrali
Best. Panel. Ever.
30/06/2008 - 20/10/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10061896&postcount=1383) Arcs covered: Around the World Olde Tucklebruck Island to end.
The Unstoppable Airman - Sorry, Wrong Comic.
21/10/2008 - 21/12/2008 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10069289&postcount=1402) Arcs covered: Built to Resist
Orc (Outr)Age
The Maltak Marathon
05/01/2009 - 05/02/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10075427&postcount=1467) Arcs covered: THE ENTIRE BLOODY THING IN ONE NIGHT!
This link goes to the collected archive for this particular arc.
The Lost Age
Boobs, Wonderful Boobs, Marvellous Boobs, Glorious Boobs! Yeah.
08/02/2010 - 29/03/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10091265&postcount=136) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part One and A Nimmel House
Com On Feel The Noize Just Random Noize!
30/03/2010 - 11/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10097937&postcount=257) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Two and B.Y.O.B.
A Lack of Information
14/06/2010 - 21/06/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10102583&postcount=339) Arcs covered: The Beast, Part Three
Crunch Crunch Stunt.
21/06/2010 - 27/08/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10197222&postcount=1336) Arcs covered: Walk the Wild Edge
Flowers And A Minor Meltdown
30/08/2010 - 06/09/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10255891&postcount=341) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Four
They Just Lit A Rocket. Rockets Explode!
09/06/2010 - 10/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10307368&postcount=769) Arcs covered: The Court of Karnak
It Is A Tale . . . Full of Repetitive Exposition and Non-Jokes, Signifying Nothing
13/12/2010 - 27/12/2010 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11248076&postcount=1267) Arcs covered: THE BEAST! Part Five
The Death of the Age of Innocence
The Aborted Recap
03/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11335933&postcount=250) Arcs covered: Altered States
Curly's Beef Or, That's A Lot of Pictures
03/01/2011 - 11/01/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12904070&postcount=1322) Arcs covered: Altered States ('part one').
Rage
12/01/2011 - 04/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15323640&postcount=84) Arcs covered: Altered States
Lovecraftian Horror: Surprisingly Dull
07/02/2011 - 24/02/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15325842&postcount=88) Arcs covered: Symphony of Destruction
Academic Elitism
28/02/2011 - 18/03/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15343520&postcount=108) Arcs covered: Face-to-Facebath
Lobsters
21/03/2011 - 25/04/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15349991&postcount=125) Arcs covered: Revelation
35 Dominicke, Acte the Firste
26/04/2011 - 13/05/2011 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15371592&postcount=152) Arcs covered: The Search For Celesto: Crystal Bubbles


Let the experiment proceed!**
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I Get On A(nother) High Horse
16/05/2011 - 31/05/2011 Arcs covered: The Search For Celesto: A Chance For Change part one

Szark disarms a teenager before saying that restraint and control of your sword is very important (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-16), and that there are consequences to losing control. To a class of teenagers that seems to comprise mostly of boys. Insert Freudian joke and/or gay innuendo here.

That said, why is Szark teaching? For a moment we'll pretend that Callan actually tolerates non-heteronormative orientations and relationships and just focus on everything else. Maybe two in-universe years ago (at best) he was a well-known duellist living in Erossos, which is well known in-universe as the sin city (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-11-12) and full of deviants. And before you say 'oh it's just the Dominus being the Dominus', no, because the very next strip names Amelia Sturtz (aka Interchangeable Travoria 1) "the Pleasure Princess of Sin City (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-11-14)". And now I wish I'd seen Sin City so I could make a somewhat pithy remark of some sort. This is a well-known title. And Szark Sturtz was married to the best whore in the entire city! Not only that, he was at least in an open relationship, although Szark didn't take adultery lightly (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-10) and kills the person his wife cheated on him with, but he enjoyed threesomes and letting people watch (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-11). Bit odd that. (And seriously, what kind of bandage is that (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-13)???)

Szark openly goaded dozens of people (including those his wife had slept with?) into duelling him so he could kill them without repercussions. Szark was possessed by a DEMON LORD OF HELL. Less than an in-universe year ago Szark was implicated in a murder.

Less than two in-universe years ago Szark smiled as he (fabulously) killed a man who had surrendered during a formal duel (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-22). Now, a formal duel is also known as a duel of honour, which is somewhat redundant as a formal duel arose from the honour culture anyway.

Now, surprisingly, I don't know much about duels of honour, especially in what appears to be a fencing duel (although the dead guy's sword isn't a fencing foil), but as I've mentioned before, I read medieval literature (and all that goes with it) at uni. And back in the fourteenth and fifteenth-century duels of honour - even ones to the death (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-29) - can also end in surrender, when one has been grievously injured and cannot go on, after a mortal wound, and can end at the victor's discretion. But this is medieval literature. In the real world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel) duelling (even at its height of popularity in Western Europe) was considered legally dubious at best, and in the UK at least, killing someone in a duel was legally murder, and in many countries (America included) duelling was considered shady enough that people actively went out of their way to avoid being caught. Meaning they knew what they were doing was wrong.

So why does Szark kill in a duel when it's actively discouraged in real world literature and IRL? Because it feels good (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-12-23). And you know what, one theory behind why serial killers are serial killers is that the high one gets after killing is addictive. And now he teaches children.

And you know what?! We can't even say killing's normal in a duel because the chivalric and honour codes (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2004-01-01) exist in this world!

Okay, I did end up bringing up some non-heteronormative stuff, but even if you ignore Venus' involvement, in fact, even if you ignore Szark's own sexual antics his wife was the PLEASURE PRINCESS OF EROSSUS' SEX BUSINESS. That alone would be enough to ostracise people. But even if you ignored Amelia Sturtz's sexual exploits (such as the fact she ran a massive brothel) and all the sex. You're still left with the fact that Sturtz killed dozens of people in very dubious circumstances, possibly raped someone (inferring from the fact that his wife can hypnotise people into sex), was POSSESSED BY A DEMON LORD AND WAS FRAMED FOR MURDER LESS THAN A YEAR AGO!!! And all of this is a very well-known scandal.

What kind of guardian would want a person like that anywhere near children?! See, I don't really care about relationship specifics as long as it's sane, consenting and everyone's legal, so the sex thing wouldn't upset me if it wasn't paraded around in front of children; but the killing thing? The killing thing that is openly known was legally dubious? STAY AWAY FROM THOSE CHILDREN. And this isn't even including the fact that Szark is/was gay/bisexual. Which in Callan is a really big deal. Even the Dominus called people with a varied sex life hedonists (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-11-15). After he finds out that the Chief Hedonists are his best friend and his wife. To that wife's sister.

By the way, for this little rant I sped through the entirety of TE&tE again, and the sexualisation of violence and murder done to women is still sickening. Maybe even moreso in concentrated doses.

The point is, no self-respecting Callanian guardian would allow a hedonistic sexual deviant, mass-killer who was once possessed by a demon anywhere near their children. Then again, this is Callan, so maybe they want to brainwash the Killing Is Good concept into their head as rapidly and efficiently as possible. And now I have a migraine.

See, as much as children confuse me, I still spent two years working with them and end up babysitting a lot even without meaning to, so you know what? I'm a little protective of children even when they're teenagers. So this kind of thing actually makes me angry. Reading through all of TE&E and simultaneously realising just how much better and worse the comic was then doesn't help.

But that's all standard fare around here isn't it.

But as I thought over just why the action in this comic in general, and here specifically, is so dull, stupid and generally unimpressive I had a sudden realisation - I'll get to that in a mo', let me talk about the action first. I mean, I know that print media (even illustrated) is not necessarily a good media for conveying a good action scene, particularly if the writer or artist isn't very good at their job. In my opinion, webcomics are especially at risk when trying to do battle or action scenes because they have a limited number of panels (or space), and the action is effectively done in stills; yet I do find the fight in The Order of the Stick funny, interesting, intense, dynamic and so on and so forth depending on the scene. The same goes for Girl Genius, Darths and Droids, and even Gunnerkrigg Court which is primarily non-action oriented.

So why is it sucky in DD? Certainly, one of the main problems is the two-by-four panel layout, which spoils the events of the fight before you even have a chance to really look at it. This layout is almost never deviated from at all, reducing the dynamism that comes from playing around with the structure, the panels and all small and crudely drawn freehand (remember when Rich said he regretted that style (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html) when he used it earlier in the comic, so much so that for the print release he made the panels much neater?) meaning there's no way for the action itself to expand. But mostly, when I think of the fights in this comic I struggle to think of any non-mental battle where the fight lasted more than a couple of strips. And here, the actions - remember, Szark is meant to be one of the best duellists in all of Callan - is a couple of blurry lines.

Dramatic! Action-packed! Dynamic!

But then I thought some more, because while I was thinking about the action in this comic, one of my other thoughts was just that this comic was fundamentally ugly. This, surprisingly, struck me rather hard because I was focussed rather firmly on the art. While the characters are rather stupidly drawn, I wouldn't say they were fundamentally ugly; the backgrounds scarcely exist, so it can't be that. The hand drawn, irregular panels have always vexed me (can't Mookie even use a ruler so that the lines are at least straight?), so I went down to the very basics of a comic.

A comic (be it web, book or newspaper) combines drawings and words in order to create a story. Typically the art is sequential, divided into panels and matches the words (narration or dialogue). I think we can agree that these are the ultimate basics, although everything except having the art is can be played around with. There needn't be words, the art doesn't have to match the words, panels are easily played with, and sometimes the art doesn't have to be entirely sequential.

So DD's art is poorly done, although there is a distinct style to it, no matter how lazy it get; the panels are crudely drawn and not in a format suitable to the story Mookie's trying to tell. The words - well, if keep looking at the visuals (because the words tell much of the story, and we go on enough about that failure) . . .

I don't like them. They actually offend me the more and more I study them thinking about why I just never liked them. They're so . . . .urgh. Is it handwritten? It looks it, and given it’s three days a week, and Mookie’s artwork is rather lazy I’m assuming it’s handwritten or a font based on Mookie/someone’s handwriting. But I'm almost certain it's handwritten.

And here's where Mookie runs into what I freely admit is one of my more pretentious peeves: I adore handwriting. At my second primary school you were forbidden from writing with a pen unless you passed a (cursive) handwriting test that the school made up. I passed a few months after I started that school and I fell in love with it. I started writing with a fountain pen the minute I started secondary school (at eleven), and by Y9 I was writing with calligraphy pens. I sincerely love good handwriting, especially if it's cursive. And I like palaeography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaeography), with a particular fondness for insular (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_script) and carolingian minuscule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Charlemagne_miniscule.jpg) manuscript scripts. Handwriting can be beautiful, and I love writing by hand.

That said, I know full well that some people just don't use cursive writing because their writing is too messy in cursive, and clarity's more important, or maybe they just prefer a printed script. F'r'sintance, a true cursive font wouldn't be very good in a webcomic because it's more important for people to be able to read what's being said. BUT that is no excuse to not have a good font.

Two of my very favourite webcomics are Girl Genius (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php) and Gunnerkrigg Court (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=273). So let's have a quick look at their fonts. GG uses the standard Times New Roman font - basic, simple, elegant, easy to read. There's a reason it's the default font for almost every piece of writing software. You don't need to be fussy or stylised, just easy to read. However, GC does have a stylised script. It's reminiscent of the Gothic scripts (what Word calls Old English (http://typophile.com/files/CutOldEnglishSet_6317.gif)), and is an eclectic mix of capitals and lower case in such a way that I'd go so far as to say that with the exception of 'I' there are no capitals in the comic. This fits the comic's style as its art and general narrative is reminiscent of the Gothic genre and movements. I love GC's lettering even though I detest all lower-caps as much as I hate all caps. But it works because it suits the comic's style.

And if we look at our resident webcomic it's font is Comic Sans (which is a font most people greatly dislike), but it's a simple sans serif font that fits the stick figure art style. Lettering and art should be in harmony, but if you're stuck, just go for Times New Roman.

And yet . . . in a twisted way the lettering does fit the art because they're both scratchy and lazily done. In fact, looking closely at the lettering (of p. 1), I almost thought Mookie was writing on a tablet or something because the third and forth 'oh crap's looked so identical I thought it was copy-pasted. So I more closely looked at the lettering, using the simple process of ctrl+ three or four times and the tail of the 'a' in the third 'crap' is marginally longer than the tail of the 'a' in the forth 'crap', the vertical strokes in the third and forth 'h's are all slightly different lengths, the the initial downstrokes of the 'p's are all of varying lengths (as indicated by the overall boldness of the 'p's vertical stroke).

Moreover, the bolding is executed very poorly. His boldface is the crudest possible - writing the letter over and over again to increase the darkness of the ink. Not only does this serve to increase and emphasise the scratchiness of his lettering, but you know what, it's completely avoidable. Mookie seems to think writing IN ALL CAPS IS AWESOME. But this just creates problems when it comes to emphasising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emphasis_%28typography%29). He can't EMPHASISE in all caps because that's the standard lettering. He can't emphasise in italics because he can't write freeform in straight lines, and his lettering seems to naturally incline to the right anyway. He doesn't emphasise by underlining, possibly because it does look strange and is a bit distracting in running text (which is what this is (terrible grammatical construction there)). I think he was copying the all caps style found in comic books, but it doesn't work here because the lettering is just so scratchy. Looking at the earliest pages of this comic I'm almost certain he wrote with a ballpoint pen, but as of this arc I think he'd graduated to those fine line artist pens (http://www.artifolk.co.uk/catalog/artists_pens.htm).

Oh, and additionally his letter and line spacing are so erratic as to be embarrassing. He's in his thirties and can't maintain a handwriting style for one panel let alone a single strip.

Fortunately, thanks to this . . . overly in-depth analysis I can now explain with reasonable certainly why we have randomly bolded letters scattered throughout the webcomic, especially in recent strips: Mookie stops writing mid-sentence, and even mid-word, so when he starts again there's an excess of ink on his nib. Occasionally he'll also make a too-faint line and redraw it for clarity's sake, but in doing so he accidentally makes it overbolded. This is why you hardly ever see boldface in handwritten documents; even children in primary know to underline for emphasis. Then later they move on to italics; or, if their writing is cursive they'll print a word for emphasis.

That said, when on this rant I had a quick look through the archives because the lettering (like the art) had decreased in quality through time, and the high point for lettering in this comic starts around Party and continues until about mid-2006. It was much smoother and a little more regular. I think that Mookie changed pens around August which lead to an increase in scratchiness. He's just grown lazier.

Do you see what I mean by fundamentally ugly now?! I am an amateur when it comes to comic books, to art criticism and to palaeography/typography. I should not be able to point out so many flaws with the most basic elements of a comic when my formal education was manuscript based and I've scarcely read a single comic book printed pr-1990.

But let's actually get onto the story and characterisation given I've written over one thousand words on the fundamentals, and God knows that I should shut up and get on to the meat of the damn webcomic.

Oddly, for all I've lambasted everything about this comic, Mookie's good at drawing cloaks (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-17), and his attempt at textures in Szark's top is rather nice. Szark's letter is relatively natural, although in my experience the sentences are rather short. This is almost certainly down to me as I freely admit to verbosity and fairly complex sentences (seriously, I sometimes wonder how people, especially non-native English speakers, can follow my sentences to the end and fully understand everything I said) in everyday life - as everyone who's met me can attest. I actually like the flow of this particular strip, although I don't think "incident" in p. 5 should have been emphasised at all. I would, however, like to note that ponytail guy looks a bit like a baby!Bumper. Also, the permanent bags under Szark's eyes vary far too much from panel to panel even when you consider that panels 2 and 3 are possible flashbacks. It's most noticeable between p. 1 and p. 4. I thought the darker the shadows the more unhealthy he was, and that after he was exorcised in TE&tE he was getting healthier.

And I would have actually liked this strip (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-18) if Mookie hadn't felt the need to lampshade the 'downtime'. See, it's not downtime if you advance plot, character and lore. It's a lull in the 'action' yes, but it's good filler and the recap has an actual purpose. However, I am now forced to wonder how there are books on alternate scrying methods in a fairly large town and the Royal Battlecasters don't know how to think outside the box and look for indirect scries. If Earth has well-known, well-documented methods of indirect scrying - when magic isn't real - then a universe with magic, that has studied indirect scrying should not have Royal Battlecasters - the elite of the elite - who are easily circumvented by an amateur.

And the Newspost. What. How did I miss this 'Armageddon'? Normally these end-of-the-world scenarios are fairly popular. I initially thought this end of the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_end_times_prediction) was more of an American thing because well, the man who made the prediction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping) was an American evangelist who believed in the Rapture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture) and, as far as I was aware, the Rapture was something some American church denominations were keen on (40% really?). Turns out there are a few Christian groups elsewhere who believe in it. Still, I'd heard of the Rapture before (and seen a few reviews of the Left Behind films) so I wanted to find out where it came from: a guy annotated a Bible in the early 1800s that became popular, he predicted the Rapture in 1844, but it didn't happen so the Great Disappointment happened, some people kept believing, others didn't. It's primarily American evangelist/American evangelist influenced Churches who believe in it. You learn something new every day.

From Mookie's newspost it seems fairly clear he's mocking the idea of the Rapture (and it does seem to have a shaky rationale from what I've read). Personally, I do think it rather silly, and indeed, the general consensus (from running around the internet) is that the Rapture is rather silly, but people are free to believe what they want. Why, I've even heard people say they unironically enjoy this comic, which is just idiotic. :smalltongue: And again, I do go on, but I like Apocalypses.

Obvious 8-bit Theatre shout out in p. 7 is obvious. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-19) But I'm more concerned with p. 5 - he's seriously calling cards, mirrors, tea leaves, and so on alternative scrying methods. These are basics. These are standard. Has Mookie ever seen or read Harry Potter?! That bit with the tea leaves? In a series initially aimed at children! And everyone knows of tarot cards. And while I can see that combining bubble scrying with sympathetic magic to indirectly scry on things is a bit left-field, I refuse to believe that using a sword's reflection is an innovative, alternate scrying method. Why? BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME AS SCRYING IN A MIRROR! Also, sword scrying . . . like that thing the Dominus did with Scarletty Montoya back during the interminable Holiday Arc? I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

Oh, and Szark is bored by bookwork. Because it's not like he's a professional fencer or anything. And it's not as if there aren't dozens of books and manuscripts dating back to the forteenth-century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_fencing) and earlier on swordsmanship, techniques, philosophies and tactical works about fencing and other forms of formal swordsmanship (or indeed other martial arts). Many fencing associations highly encourage reading theory and history (the last two sections) (http://acfencers.tripod.com/essentials.html) in order to become champion fencers. While it's entirely possible for Szark to be hyper-focused to such an extent he only studies topics directly related to swordsmanship, he should still have enough focus to read on other topics.

And, of course, people who wish to write/mention such things in their work also do their research. Sticking with fencing, Gunnerkigg Court references (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=369) Liechtenauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Liechtenauer) - a pretty obscure C14th German fencing master - and the philosophy (and moves) described by his methodology helps to give an introduction to Parley's character. A martial art is about the philosophy as much as about the art of fighting. If you want to do an arc set in a fencing academy, then you've got to bring actual fencing terminology and philosophies into it.

Also the Sword of Omens is from Thundercats (http://thundercats.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_of_Omens).

That's just a standard short sword (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-20) (and a badly drawn one), but I suppose it would be useless to scry using a foil, epee or sabre given how thin the blades are. But this still means that the Dominus is scrying using the, the, the swish of the sword's arc and not the blade. Like in cartoons when they show an arc of light to indicate the path (and speed) of the blade. Also, looking at the sword itself I have to ask: what the Hell kind of swordsman is Szark?! His arm is stiff and locked, and he's attacking with the back of his blade (http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/sword-making-diagram.jpg). Not only would the weight of a sword like that swing you drastically off-balance when combined with that posture, but I'm damn certain that even if Szark was leading the the edge of the blade he'd not make anything more than a glancing cut to the upper thigh or trunk of the body. You wouldn't even be able to make someone jump back because you've just left your entire torso open for an attack as Szark wouldn't be able to recover from his swing in time to defend without dropping his sword. His balance is so off you could poke him and he'd fall to the ground, his arm is over-extended and that right arm is just calling for someone to smash the flat of his blade into it before going into a straight lunge - if they even bothered attacking the right arm at all.

Also, the Dominus' face looks appalling in p. 3 and 4. More than usual anyway. It looks like someone pinned a 'go left' arrow to his face in that last panel.

So how does Mookie celebrate the comic's ninth anniversary? {{[C]rummy filler (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-21)}}. So the world didn't end after all. Also, last strip had a word 'Arockalypse' in it. Just. Yeah. It is an amusing coincidence that DD turned nine years old on 'Rapture Day' given the Dominus likely does think he's the Second Coming of Callan's Messiah. Or was that Luna? No wait, she was the Orc's Messiah.

So the more transient an item is, the better it is to scry with if you're after subterfuge? (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-23) Uummmm. Well, I suppose. Certainly if you walk into places that are old or treated with a certain respect (let's go for a nice cathedral) you can feel the weight of years in the atmosphere, all the things it's seen, felt and experienced. And sometimes you're just walking through the countryside and you pass by a place where you just feel you have to hush - and then later on it turns out it was haunted!!111! Nah. But later it might turn out that once a building was there. But really, in the UK and most of Europe you can go two miles from the edge of [settlement], spin around in a circle, point at a field or place and chances are it was once a Roman villa, or a Saxon farm, or a church, a village and so on. So if old things carry a lot of weight I suppose those fleeting things don't. Not a flower, a smile, a laugh, the single intelligent thought found in Callan once every season. Why not scry to the tick of a clock then?

I also don't know whether I found this strip mildly amusing because it was actually funny or because I got to see baby!Bumper kicking the DOminus' arse. And the swords are still far too thick to be proper fencing swords even if you take into account the limitations of comic book art! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-24) Oh, and two strips ago Szark was right-handed. I'm fairly sure he's ambidextrous, but prefers his left; but even so, keep it somewhat consistent.

This strip packs a fair bit of irony in though. Szark and the Dominus talk about the various martial arts as being a serious, strict discipline, yet I can almost guarantee that for all that Mookie doesn't know a single thing about fencing. Even though the {{Newspost}} makes it clear he knew a friend who had fencing lessons. And it's also more proof that the Dominus is Mookie.

I'm also calling foreshadowing about baby!Bumper somehow becoming the star of the arc because it's not like we have a plot, or main characters to focus on or anything. The impetuous teenager has to learn to grow up.

Mookie's lying. {{There will be an 80s montage won't there?}} (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-25) I can feel it in my bones. Oh no. Will the Snotty Brat be somehow possessed by: King Dave; Snugglythulumon; Venus or similar and baby!Bumper will have to draw on the ethics of good sportsmanship and historical technique to beat the Snotty Brat and he will because '80s!

And while I can see Szark's point about sportmanship being important (because cheating gives the other team points) the fact still remains that Snotty Brat (because that name) is by far the more skilled (and remember: baby!Bumper attacked a disabled, unarmed men repeatedly, even when it became evident he couldn't dodge the strikes - with an unblunted weapon (who teaches teenagers with sharpened weapons - do you want to kill children?!)), so just emphasise to him that he needs to brush up on the ethics of a good swordsman.

And if he objects just lie and tell him that ungentlemanly conduct will get him penalised. And I still think it's rich that Szark's talking about ethics and conduct. That said: yet more blatant homophobia. That's grounds for kicking a student out of your class regardless. So is misconduct. Szark, grow a pair, stand up for yourself and kick out the Snotty Brat. Who cares about money, he's disrupting your other students? Oh no wait. This is an eighties sports movie with a Snotty Brat and a less-skilled, but very eager underdog.

What else is required? Snotty Brat is dating the beautiful, meek and modest Cheerleader/heiress type who is the secret (yet obvious) crush of the Underdog. They date by the mid-way point forcing the Snotty Brat to cheat in the final match.

If the above is not evident then Snotty Brat and his hulking, grunting henchmen will have a vendetta again the Meek, Polite Underdog and his friends. Snotty Brat will also be a compulsive liar and at least two teachers will treat the Underdog and Co. unfairly because of the Snotty Brat's lies.

Snotty Brat will be a rich kid with a Porsche (1bruce1 perhaps?) and a massive entitlement complex. Mummy and Daddy dote on him and/or are negligent parents and throw money at him to make up for their shortcoming leading to, oh yes, bribery To Make My Son/Daughter Happy, and If They're Not On the Team We're Withdrawing Funding.

If no one's noticed this is also part of the plot of well-known children's book: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Or rather, a very minor plot point that is part of a longer and more interesting conflict spanning seven books rather than a ninety minute film.

Oh look. Note. For. Note. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-26) And I bet secretly Snotty Brat's jealous of Underdog for some reason too. This also displays the Dominus' lack of grammar. If it was the wing where the master fencers are found it would be called The Masters' Wing; that is, the wing that belongs to the masters. Or maybe I'll given him the benefit of the doubt and he just thought that all Callanians were morons and thus didn't understand possessive plural nouns.

I'll will proceed to laugh my face off if I got it wrong too. On the plus side, the Dominus can sew, which is nice. On the down side (for art) there's another STGF for Luna.

What. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-27) I tried following the swish! lines with my sword (umbrella) and the only way that could work would be if he swung his sword behind him leaving him completely open for all attacks. Not to mention he would overextend his arm again. It's possible to perform the same 'swing' by turning a full three-sixty as well as standing still. The standing still option left me feeling quite off-balance as I had to end with a straight left leg, forcing much of the weight on my right leg. The turning option is a little more natural but I needed to arc my body at the waist much more in order to copy the turns.

It's just implausible. And probably it's the art failing to convey an actual move (in a cartoon or something). Additionally, why are all Luna's sentences cut off when the art clearly indicates it's one long, (convoluted) continuous swing? The scry is contained in the after-image of the sword, so maybe where it overlaps the dialogue should overlap, but they certainly shouldn't be cut off. In Pratchett's Reaper Man the dialogue was cut because Death was making separate swings with his sharper-than-sound scythe; that makes sense. Here the words should overlap if anything.

It was all for the sake of a pun. One that would have been better if he kept the eight panel format and had one individual sword stroke for each sentence.

What do you know? Mookie's pun was failed by his 'dynamic panel layout'.

Oh look. "Oh no. Will the Snotty Brat be somehow possessed by: King Dave; Snugglythulumon; Venus or similar" (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-30). I called it. So, eighties montage in three weeks then? That's about the halfway point for this fil - I mean arc. Also, again, Szark was left-handed back in Barthis right? Or was he pretending to be left-handed when in actually he was right-handed? But then why was Szark shown using his left hand to fence a few strips back? And why is Szark using a short sword for a fencing tournament?

Or is it just a swordsmanship tournament? In which case the tournament should be split into age, class, ability and sword type. When it comes to a match where a man with a claymore is up against someone with a fencing foil and it's not a fencing match I'm betting on the claymore because it's got a longer reach. I could have sworn Szark was a master fencer given that a duel of swords nowadays tends to be with fencing foils of some sort and not short swords. I also don't think that strike is possible either. Especially as Szark keeps locking his arm which is really bad. So bad that in stock standard sword and sorcery novel like the Belgariad they mock lunges like that precisely because it looks the arm and unbalances the body.

Also, what's Memorial Day about? Because I just can't be bothered to Google it right now.

Okay look! It's clearly a fencing class (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2011-05-31) because the Snotty Brat's epee has an Italian guard and the one in the background seems to be a French foil. And you know how I know this? Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_fencing#Weapons) has a (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_fencing#G) few (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_fencing) links (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foil_%28fencing%29#The_Guard_Assembly) about fencing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_%28sport%29). Just a few dozen. This most certainly doesn't make me an expert, and I don't actually know anyone who's fenced, but the art (and Szark's backstory) makes it very clear this is about fencing. So yet more questions about the short sword Szark was using to practice.

I think I'll call it here for fears of breaking post limits (post-edit; pre-post: and I still nearly broke the post limit so I deleted some things about a {{Newspost}}). Also I think there're enough rants here about relatively minor things.

Overall thoughts?
Fundamentally ugly, flawed character (and backstory) portrayal and serious fencing/swordsmanship errors.

Next up: no Mookie, that's not a broadsword, that's a short sword. A broadsword (http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/broadsword.htm) often has a basket-hilt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket-hilted_sword), has two cutting edges, two fullers (for the blood), is roughly thirty to forty-five inches long and is several inches wide at the base. It most certainly doesn't have a hilt like that.
And no. Baby!Bumper does not grow up to be Karnak.
Christ, Mookie, Google is your friend. Note also how Mookie couldn't be bothered to re-draw the picture/panel so the sword breaks the panel edge for no reason. Is this sword the sword that will pierce the Heavens or something?


*Ages as defined by Trazoi here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9365837&postcount=479). Remember, all dates use the dd/mm/yyyy format!
**Avvie designed by ninja_penguin, many thanks for letting me use it.

MReav
2013-07-01, 07:49 PM
Ah Curly, it's good to see you.

Lord Raziere
2013-07-01, 07:49 PM
Memorial Day is a US holiday to celebrate the people who died while serving in armed forces.

I personally, don't remember ever celebrating it all that much myself. supposedly it involves parades and visiting graves and such but…. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just used it as a normal day off.

and this entire analysis makes me wonder at how there is so much information in the world now, that one can never know everything that there is to know.

at the same time, I congratulate you on being able to figure out the handwriting thing and how he did it. he just….stops writing mid-text. its as if Mookie is lazy at everything, just does it half-way without following through. it explains a lot

Nerd-o-rama
2013-07-01, 08:00 PM
Some American knowledge to clarify things for you, Curly:

1) My feelings on the whole "doomsday cult" side of Christianity aside, I applaud your generous idea of religious pluralism. However, when a man unsuccessfully predicts the end of the world as many times in a row as that particular preacher did, and does so so earnestly and loudly, you can't help but bring it up. Hell, attempting to magicaly predict the future is even topical for this comic.

(Seriously, there are a lot of doomsday cultists in this country.)

2) Memorial Day is a federal holiday at the beginning of summer to honor soldiers who have died in war and give everyone a long weekend to have a barbecue on.

3) **** yeah Belgariad shoutout.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-01, 08:47 PM
Ah Curly, it's good to see you.

Good to be writing again. Granddad's still not out of the woods, but there's not enough beds in the hospital for him to get his next scan/thing, but he's still about as stable as possible all things considered.


Memorial Day is a US holiday to celebrate the people who died while serving in armed forces.

I personally, don't remember ever celebrating it all that much myself. supposedly it involves parades and visiting graves and such but…. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just used it as a normal day off.

So like Remembrance Day/Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday if 11/11 happens to fall on a not-Sunday, except it's also a day off then? So do you have poppies too?
I am amused at my laziness. I'll spend a couple of hours and more talking about why lettering in a webcomic sucks, and explaining about fencing and things, but then I can't be bothered to look up a simple holiday.


And this entire analysis makes me wonder at how there is so much information in the world now, that one can never know everything that there is to know.

Yup. I love the world and the knowledge within it. I could honestly spend over a decade reading about everything related to one of my favourite genres of all time and still not have caught up on all the theory behind it, the art, all the stories and the fragments and everything. I consider myself lucky that Wikipedia exists simply because for all its flaws, it does often provide a useful basic overview for many things and I like that it does give references that you can then run around trying to find.
The internet is a joy and there are so many lovely resources one can use to access when you ordinarily can't.


at the same time, I congratulate you on being able to figure out the handwriting thing and how he did it. he just….stops writing mid-text. its as if Mookie is lazy at everything, just does it half-way without following through. it explains a lot

It's been bugging me for a long time, and when I ruminated on it I just found more and more that wasn't good for its medium. Aaaand admittedly, when you've had to to base some of your university work directly from manuscripts (because my uni was awesome and had beyond excellent resources) you come to appreciate good, clear writing. And it really canbe beautiful.

Have you ever actually looked at a manuscript? So much thought goes into the presentation in some of the best manuscripts. And it was all crafted by hand. So in this digital age where almost all the people in the Western world have a really good education, and with graphical tablets and pre-made fonts and so on a webcomic/comic/etc. can honestly be a truly beautiful work of art for every page.

So Mookie's writing just bugs me. He's doing twenty-four panels a week, and this is his livelihood, and he can't put effort into his lettering. When I can point at his lettering and say 'The erratic bolding is because he stops mid-sentence, possibly because he doesn't know where this sentence is saying' this is bad. This is the equivalent of posting a first draft of a strip. Can't he even write out the dialogue before he writes it into the speech bubbles?


Some American knowledge to clarify things for you, Curly:

Sweet! For all that American culture is supposedly permeating much on Western culture I'm surprisingly lost when it comes down to actual details and minutiae. I'm still not certain what slacks are - perhaps some form of smart trousers?


1) My feelings on the whole "doomsday cult" side of Christianity aside, I applaud your generous idea of religious pluralism. However, when a man unsuccessfully predicts the end of the world as many times in a row as that particular preacher did, and does so so earnestly and loudly, you can't help but bring it up. Hell, attempting to magicaly predict the future is even topical for this comic.

(Seriously, there are a lot of doomsday cultists in this country.)

Yes, people over here in Europe have noticed the predilection towards apocalypses. It comes in for a lot of mocking. But I was trying to be nice. Okay, and stick to the forum guidelines about religion, politics and so on. I mean, I am all for religious pluralism and equality and all that, I try to treat all types of religious beliefs with the same amount of respect.

But hey, I'm an atheist and think that all religious/ethical systems have some nutjobs in them so that's all good fun. Just don't try to force a particular belief system down my throat and I'm fine. That and don't, you know, tell me that your ideologies involve illegal things because that really isn't good.


2) Memorial Day is a federal holiday at the beginning of summer to honor soldiers who have died in war and give everyone a long weekend to have a barbecue on.

So yeah, Remembrance Day but not as solemn as Remembrance Day/Armistice Day is. Cool.


3) **** yeah Belgariad shoutout.

High five!
That series, and all the works about it are fantastic; and I do also like the Elenium and Tamuli. Those books there are proof that you can write a step-by-step fantasy novel and still make something unique because the strength is the characterisation, dialogue and general wry, tongue-in-cheek approach.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-07-01, 10:11 PM
David Eddings is the Bioware of pulp fantasy - he wrote the same ****ing story over and over again, directly out of a textbook on Campbell, but he did it really well, largely because he understood why things work the way they work in the monomyth and in fantasy in general. And he writes fantastic banter.


Also, we do celebrate Armistice Day on 11/11 - we just call it Veteran's Day instead. It's a bit more somber since it's in the late fall and it's right next to Thanksgiving, which is the biggest long-weekend-and-food holiday in the country aside from Christmas.

And yes, slacks are a type of dressy pants.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-01, 10:33 PM
David Eddings is the Bioware of pulp fantasy - he wrote the same ****ing story over and over again, directly out of a textbook on Campbell, but he did it really well, largely because he understood why things work the way they work in the monomyth and in fantasy in general. And he writes fantastic banter.

More than that; the by-the-book nature of the books and even the repetitive actions are made a plot point that leads into the very ultimate conflict of the universe.

That is innovative. I started reading Pratchett at eight (Guards! Guards!), but I just didn't get it. Then at nine/ten I read Eddings and I started to get how there were fantasy standards and archetypal characters, plots, themes and so on. And then I re-got into Pratchett again almost immediately because then it suddenly clicked that you could play around with narrative tropes, styles, ideas and so on. That you could write a serious story while lampooning the elements that made it up.

It is a shame that he slid downhill. I still think the Dreamers series is one of the blandest series that I've ever read - even though it follows Eddings' standard formula - because he/they seemed to have lost that spark of energy that made their works so interesting. Not to mention the climax of the series overall. Biggest. Copout. Ever. And I've seen ST: VOY episodes. I've read nine years of Dominic Deegan.


Also, we do celebrate Armistice Day on 11/11 - we just call it Veteran's Day instead. It's a bit more somber since it's in the late fall and it's right next to Thanksgiving, which is the biggest long-weekend-and-food holiday in the country aside from Christmas.

'kay. Don't you get tired having so many holidays over a course of six weeks? I'd get sick of it. God. I sound like I've just been let out of an isolation room and have never been exposed to popular culture don't I?
I'll just go back to my books now. :smalltongue:


And yes, slacks are a type of dressy pants.

Okay. So, and this is stupid I know, but why are they called slacks? Dressy trousers being called slacks. Slack and dressy just doesn't gel. Is it because of the way they hang?
Four in the morning, can't sleep, so I'm interrogating someone over the reasoning behind formal trousers being called slacks.
Next thing you know it'll be sneakers. Well, no it won't. That's easy. Sneakers are sneakers because you can sneak on them. Maybe. Pumps now. Are they plimsolls? Yep. Explain to the engenue Brit about clothing names separated by a common language.
And I shall reciprocate. Not that I think there's anything odd about British English names for clothing, but I suppose you feel the same way.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-07-01, 10:45 PM
Okay. So, and this is stupid I know, but why are they called slacks? Dressy trousers being called slacks. Slack and dressy just doesn't gel. Is it because of the way they hang?
Four in the morning, can't sleep, so I'm interrogating someone over the reasoning behind formal trousers being called slacks.
Next thing you know it'll be sneakers. Well, no it won't. That's easy. Sneakers are sneakers because you can sneak on them. Maybe. Pumps now. Are they plimsolls? Yep. Explain to the engenue Brit about clothing names separated by a common language.
And I shall reciprocate. Not that I think there's anything odd about British English names for clothing, but I suppose you feel the same way.

I honestly have no idea, and don't even get me started on anything about women's shoes, let alone the names. In exchange for my unhelpfulness, I will not ask you about all the bizarre slang terms I've learned from British fantasy novels. Especially the food. Or all the gratuitous extra vowels. Or anything I suspect might have descended from Cockney rhyming slang, which is incidentally the single most arbitrarily bullcrap dialect in English.

Also, dressy-casual. I have no ****ing clue what that's supposed to mean, and it's technically my office dress code.

In all honesty it's probably the way slacks hang, yes. They're not rigid, even when pressed, so they're slacks. I guess.

SaintRidley
2013-07-02, 12:38 AM
Five things:

As a fencer, loved it and you nailed it (minus the call on Snotty Brat's epee - I see no quillon and he couldn't hold an Italian that way anyway due to the rings. It's likely just a standard French grip that he's holding very poorly).


This also displays the Dominus' lack of grammar. If it was the wing where the master fencers are found it would be called The Masters' Wing; that is, the wing that belongs to the masters.

Ah, but it's the Masters Wing because it's named for Snotty Brat's parents (the Masters family), so it's really no different from being the Smith Wing, the Dali Wing, or the Santos Wing. It's not a genitive in any way, really.


So like Remembrance Day/Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday if 11/11 happens to fall on a not-Sunday, except it's also a day off then? So do you have poppies too?

We also get that (we call it Veterans' Day). I honestly think Memorial Day is so we can get two soldier-related holidays six months apart, because it's really important to some people that we never be more than three months from a day off celebrating the military. Honestly, the amount of holidays hanging around at that time of year annoys me.

RE: slacks - the term comes from early 19th century military usage, due to them being loose trousers. On pumps, etymonline (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=pumps&searchmode=none) (wonderful resource) has this: '"low shoe without fasteners," 1550s, of unknown origin, perhaps echoic of the sound made when walking in them, or perhaps from Dutch pampoesje, from Javanese pampoes, of Arabic origin.'

And lastly, Mookie had the comic uploading on weekdays, so five days a week. 40 panels a week. No improvement, only stagnation and, amazingly enough, a decline in quality.

Traab
2013-07-02, 07:44 AM
I have a complaint about your review curly. You seem to have this tendency to superimpose the real world onto the comic and declare things ridiculous because thats not how they work/ed in england or america or whatever. Take the very start where you go on a rant about how duels are dubious legally speaking at best and outright illegal in most nations. Thats true here on earth, but apparently thats not the case in callan where you can actually sign contracts that are legally binding saying, "Hey, we are having a duel to the death, winner takes all." You can call it ethically dubious, but legally speaking, he was doing nothing wrong with that. (I dont think he knew she was hypnotizing people into accepting) And personally, considering this is a professional school for teaching people to fight with swords, having the guy well known for being virtually unstoppable with a blade teach would be a good thing.

As for the whole pleasure princess thing, I sort of agree, sort of dont. Its hard to be sure, but I get the distinct feeling that errosus has a far more powerful version of, "what happens in vegas, stays in vegas" when it comes to behavior. In other words, its ok there, just dont bring it out here with you. But thats a shaky justification, so I will at least concede that part of your point. Being married to the queen whore of whore town should leave a small stain on your reputation. (you cant see my body language here, just read that small part as a sarcastically delivered word implying it should be massive instead)

As for alternative means of scrying, you bring harry potter into this? Dominus has no idea who harry potter is. In the comic he is admitting that these books that cover all the different methods of scrying, including tea leaves and such are really basic, thats the whole point. He was hoping for something obscure and all he got was old and well known, if less used methods.

Other than the tendency to bring the real world into the comic though, I really like your reviews. I look forward to seeing more of them.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-07-02, 08:19 AM
We also get that (we call it Veterans' Day). I honestly think Memorial Day is so we can get two soldier-related holidays six months apart, because it's really important to some people that we never be more than three months from a day off celebrating the military. Honestly, the amount of holidays hanging around at that time of year annoys me.

And don't forget, we can't go more than two months without a barbecue holiday, hence the Memorial-Independence-Labor Day trifecta.

Welf
2013-07-02, 02:01 PM
So that is why all those useless bolding showed up. I think that is worse than just being clueless about how to use bolding.

Your sentences are okay with me. For my mother tongue they have normal length. And since a significant portion of this forum consists of people with higher degrees, we are used to long and complicated sentences with many technical terms. It's much easier too read than, say, a review of statistical papers about tax evading in international enterprises.

I can't wait to see when you get to the really interesting part of the arc :smallbiggrin:

Mewtarthio
2013-07-02, 02:50 PM
I have a complaint about your review curly. You seem to have this tendency to superimpose the real world onto the comic and declare things ridiculous because thats not how they work/ed in england or america or whatever. Take the very start where you go on a rant about how duels are dubious legally speaking at best and outright illegal in most nations. Thats true here on earth, but apparently thats not the case in callan where you can actually sign contracts that are legally binding saying, "Hey, we are having a duel to the death, winner takes all." You can call it ethically dubious, but legally speaking, he was doing nothing wrong with that. (I dont think he knew she was hypnotizing people into accepting) And personally, considering this is a professional school for teaching people to fight with swords, having the guy well known for being virtually unstoppable with a blade teach would be a good thing.

True. This is a world where Scarlatti can run around dueling people with a magic sword explicitly designed to permanently maim his opponents, after all.


Also, dressy-casual. I have no ****ing clue what that's supposed to mean, and it's technically my office dress code.

It's a compromise between dressy and casual, as the name implies. More comfortable than, say, a coat and tie, but not as informal as "whatever's comfortable." For mean, it generally means a long-sleeved button-down shirt, long pants (no jeans; khakis and the like are common), dark shoes with matching socks, and a belt.

Nerd-o-rama
2013-07-02, 03:06 PM
It's a compromise between dressy and casual, as the name implies. More comfortable than, say, a coat and tie, but not as informal as "whatever's comfortable." For mean, it generally means a long-sleeved button-down shirt, long pants (no jeans; khakis and the like are common), dark shoes with matching socks, and a belt.

Damn, and I've been wearing polos for the last three years.

EDIT: Actually wait, that's because my office is business-casual, my bad.

The Troubadour
2013-07-02, 07:33 PM
I have a complaint about your review curly. You seem to have this tendency to superimpose the real world onto the comic and declare things ridiculous because thats not how they work/ed in england or america or whatever.

Far be it from me to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think the issue is that in real life, things work the way they do because of a reason - even if said reason is nonsensical to your sociocultural or personal viewpoint. In DD, there seems to be no reason behind things, not even implied ones.

Traab
2013-07-02, 07:39 PM
Far be it from me to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think the issue is that in real life, things work the way they do because of a reason - even if said reason is nonsensical to your sociocultural or personal viewpoint. In DD, there seems to be no reason behind things, not even implied ones.

That may be true, but that isnt the point (this time) its that in DD these actions ARE considered ok. The world building in this comic is so overall crappy that pretty much nothing is ever really fully explained. What we DO know though, is that death duels can be fully legal under the right circumstances, including signed contracts with all the stipulations included. So its not like our world where it wouldnt matter if I had a signed and notarized contract stating its ok with this guy if he dies fighting me, I still go to jail for murder, in callan, its perfectly legal. And considering this is a school all about fencing and dueling and sword fighting, it makes sense to hire the guy you know for a fact is really REALLY good at sword fighting. Especially since he didnt do anything wrong. In all reality, the one breaking laws was pretty much entirely amelia and celesto, and him was more accessory than direct for the most part. Szark was as much of a dupe as the guys who signed their lives away after she mind controlled them.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-07-03, 12:32 AM
When it comes to a match where a man with a claymore is up against someone with a fencing foil and it's not a fencing match I'm betting on the claymore because it's got a longer reach.

Ah yes. The Rob Roy Gambit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50). Great movie, by the by.

I won't add to the "American Holiday/History" lecture, even though I want to wax philosophic on that sort of thing. I got the same problem with language as Vaarsuvius: I talk too much.

But seriously, how do you not M'urika? You some sort of furenner? :smalltongue:

Wonderful review again!

Neoriceisgood
2013-07-03, 04:50 AM
Are you guys gonna keep the DD thread alive forever?

Traab
2013-07-03, 05:19 AM
Until we run out of things to say about it, yes.

The Troubadour
2013-07-03, 06:42 AM
So its not like our world where it wouldnt matter if I had a signed and notarized contract stating its ok with this guy if he dies fighting me, I still go to jail for murder, in callan, its perfectly legal.

But why is it perfectly legal in Callan? This is the sort of question that should have been posed and answered by the story. As it is, the only reason we can surmise is "because that's the only way the author's story can work".


Especially since he didnt do anything wrong. In all reality, the one breaking laws was pretty much entirely amelia and celesto, and him was more accessory than direct for the most part. Szark was as much of a dupe as the guys who signed their lives away after she mind controlled them.

True, but how much does the general public know about that? And wouldn't he be tainted by association? Things are too convenient, too consequence-free in DD.

Welf
2013-07-03, 01:20 PM
Are you guys gonna keep the DD thread alive forever?

There are still 2 years left for Curly's reviews. I think then we can get closure.

Traab
2013-07-03, 06:11 PM
But why is it perfectly legal in Callan? This is the sort of question that should have been posed and answered by the story. As it is, the only reason we can surmise is "because that's the only way the author's story can work".



True, but how much does the general public know about that? And wouldn't he be tainted by association? Things are too convenient, too consequence-free in DD.

I dunno, why are werewolves allowed to roam callan without collars? You cant expect him to go into a full on treatise on the history of callanian law to justify everything we are told. We are told, "If you do this, its legal" We dont need to read the 40 year case law series that lead to the eventual proclamation that you can have a legal duel to the death so long as you sign contracts with witnesses.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-03, 08:10 PM
Five things:

As a fencer, loved it and you nailed it (minus the call on Snotty Brat's epee - I see no quillon and he couldn't hold an Italian that way anyway due to the rings. It's likely just a standard French grip that he's holding very poorly).

Oh? So I was okay on the poses/moves that Szark did then? I really only 'learnt' fencing from Wikipedia and fiction books, but the ones that look physically impossible/implausible or were . . . Hollywood fencing did stand out. Probably was overreaching picking over the grips. Well, I say probably; I mean definitely.
Given that you're a fencer you must have enjoyed and/or been frustrated by an arc centred on fencing.


Ah, but it's the Masters Wing because it's named for Snotty Brat's parents (the Masters family), so it's really no different from being the Smith Wing, the Dali Wing, or the Santos Wing. It's not a genitive in any way, really.

I suppose I failed to get my point across. Dom should have known from the lack of the apostrophe that it wasn't the wing where the masters are given he talks about how much of a genius he is.
Saying that, apostrophes can be tricky/easy to transpose.


We also get that (we call it Veterans' Day). I honestly think Memorial Day is so we can get two soldier-related holidays six months apart, because it's really important to some people that we never be more than three months from a day off celebrating the military. Honestly, the amount of holidays hanging around at that time of year annoys me.

Perhaps it's to make up for your lack of bank holidays? Unless you get them too? Maybe you just like holidays?


RE: slacks - the term comes from early 19th century military usage, due to them being loose trousers. On pumps, etymonline (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=pumps&searchmode=none) (wonderful resource) has this: '"low shoe without fasteners," 1550s, of unknown origin, perhaps echoic of the sound made when walking in them, or perhaps from Dutch pampoesje, from Javanese pampoes, of Arabic origin.'

I love etymoline. Recently I told Little Sister about the site because she's getting into diachronic change properly for the next year of her studies. If she gets in. And thanks for that.


And lastly, Mookie had the comic uploading on weekdays, so five days a week. 40 panels a week. No improvement, only stagnation and, amazingly enough, a decline in quality.

I forget that he dropped his updates down to three. Kind of awkward that the extra time lead to a drop in quality.


I have a complaint about your review curly. You seem to have this tendency to superimpose the real world onto the comic and declare things ridiculous because that's not how they work/ed in england or america or whatever. Take the very start where you go on a rant about how duels are dubious legally speaking at best and outright illegal in most nations. That's true here on earth, but apparently that's not the case in callan where you can actually sign contracts that are legally binding saying, "Hey, we are having a duel to the death, winner takes all." You can call it ethically dubious, but legally speaking, he was doing nothing wrong with that. (I dont think he knew she was hypnotizing people into accepting) And personally, considering this is a professional school for teaching people to fight with swords, having the guy well known for being virtually unstoppable with a blade teach would be a good thing.

Addressing the real world thing down below. The problem with the duelling people to death in Callan is the Szark was pretty smug about it being a loophole, because Dom was pretty shocked about it - and this is back when Dom had aspirations towards morality! - and certain terms of phrase that lead me to think he was partially aware that something was up. I mean, a guy known for killing people for sleeping with his wife isn't the kind of man I'd dare cross.
As for the the idea of having a guy good at killing teach people how to use a blade, I agree. What I don't like about Szark teaching is being a recovered murder addict; the shadiness of everything about his years in Erossus, and the fact that he was framed for murder about an in-universe year ago, and he still has that jewel that considers him at a risk of relapse.
Where relapse means killing someone.


As for the whole pleasure princess thing, I sort of agree, sort of dont. Its hard to be sure, but I get the distinct feeling that errosus has a far more powerful version of, "what happens in vegas, stays in vegas" when it comes to behavior. In other words, its ok there, just dont bring it out here with you. But thats a shaky justification, so I will at least concede that part of your point. Being married to the queen whore of whore town should leave a small stain on your reputation. (you cant see my body language here, just read that small part as a sarcastically delivered word implying it should be massive instead)

I don't think I would have found Szark's Errosus connection so much of a problem if it wasn't for Amelia. If she wasn't so well known I might have let it slide - so many prostitutes, who's going to know all of them? - just as a 'what happens in Vegas . . . ' moment, although still mentioned it; but she is from a noble house, running the premier whore house of Erossus. That kind of person is kind of a big deal.


As for alternative means of scrying, you bring harry potter into this? Dominus has no idea who harry potter is. In the comic he is admitting that these books that cover all the different methods of scrying, including tea leaves and such are really basic, thats the whole point. He was hoping for something obscure and all he got was old and well known, if less used methods.

Quick reading and an inability to convey things properly. It just seems implausible (admittedly from a real world point of view) that crystal balls are such a default method that tea leaves and tarot cards are less commonly used. Those three are so well-known (in this world) that it's pretty much a disconnect for me as a reader for two of them to be even referred to in the same sentence as 'lesser known' techniques.

And I think Mme. fem!Mookie used tarot cards? Or am I hallucinating?


Other than the tendency to bring the real world into the comic though, I really like your reviews. I look forward to seeing more of them.

Mmmm, I do tend to consider the comic on real world/real world fictional terms, but to some extent I can't help it. It's one of the ways I relate to what I read: if you use real world terms, items and phrases people are going to expect there to be approximations of the same definitions there. In a real world duel of honour there is always an option, even when both sides agree to no quarter, for quarter to be given anyway.
I'm not asking for there to be massive exposition dumps about why x is normal in Callan when it isn't in RW, and I concede to forgetting about Inigo Scarletti's Magical Maiming Sword, but you say these are all fencing masters, learning, teaching and practising fencing and this is something people can look up and read about! I'm more willing to suspend my disbelief about duels to the death being fairly common (or at least very legal) if you didn't have people react uncertainly to the mention of them happening when, as far as I can tell, RW!fencing more or less equals Callan!fencing. Also, as with most things, if you enjoy something you're more willing to cut it some slack, and the less you like it . . .

I'll try to cut back on it though, as I should be treating Callan on Callan's merits.


So that is why all those useless bolding showed up. I think that is worse than just being clueless about how to use bolding.

At least the letter would show he was trying. What I believe it what's happening just shows inattention and laziness on a large scale. If it was only a few times that would be excusable - maybe you were called away when you were working on the lettering of your final draft and your deadline meant you couldn't redo it so there wasn't such an obvious excess of ink partway through. But we see random bolding pretty much every page.


Your sentences are okay with me. For my mother tongue they have normal length. And since a significant portion of this forum consists of people with higher degrees, we are used to long and complicated sentences with many technical terms. It's much easier too read than, say, a review of statistical papers about tax evading in international enterprises.

So German then? And everything's easier than reading statistical papers. I made better headway reading the exams of someone sitting their final undergrad Physics exams than I did reading one question about stats from a mathematician's final exam paper.


I can't wait to see when you get to the really interesting part of the arc :smallbiggrin:

This fills me with dread, especially seeing as I predicted a few trite ways the plot could play out.


Far be it from me to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think the issue is that in real life, things work the way they do because of a reason - even if said reason is nonsensical to your sociocultural or personal viewpoint. In DD, there seems to be no reason behind things, not even implied ones.

And that's where values dissonance comes in. No matter how much you try to treat Cultural Practice One on its own terms in Culture One you'll still be feeling things about it in reaction to your own upbringing.
A little more world building would help reduce reactions based on RW!Culture because there would actually be Callanian culture.
This webcomic has been going nine years (for me) and despite the fact that I've done fairly extensive reviews on it I can't really tell you much about it. Oh, I can give you anecdotes, but I can't really tell you much about the culture. I don't even know the currency of Callan! What kind of nonsense is this that after two and a half thousand pages I can't even tell you its currency. Maybe it was mentioned once or twice, but I don't know it. I don't know its geography; I know very little of its class system; religions; society; people; practices. I don't even know its climate. WHAT IS CALLAN LIKE!?


That may be true, but that isnt the point (this time) its that in DD these actions ARE considered ok. The world building in this comic is so overall crappy that pretty much nothing is ever really fully explained. What we DO know though, is that death duels can be fully legal under the right circumstances, including signed contracts with all the stipulations included. So it's not like our world where it wouldn't matter if I had a signed and notarized contract stating it's ok with this guy if he dies fighting me, I still go to jail for murder, in callan, its perfectly legal. And considering this is a school all about fencing and dueling and sword fighting, it makes sense to hire the guy you know for a fact is really REALLY good at sword fighting. Especially since he didn't do anything wrong. In all reality, the one breaking laws was pretty much entirely amelia and celesto, and him was more accessory than direct for the most part. Szark was as much of a dupe as the guys who signed their lives away after she mind controlled them.

Except for the being implicated in a murder later on, and being possessed by a Demon Lord. And whatever the duel in Barthis was actually about. We'll have to agree to disagree about the precise legality of duels to the death as the subtext at least is that it's at least a little dubious.


Ah yes. The Rob Roy Gambit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50). Great movie, by the by.

Oh, look at all that flynning. Rob Roy looks eerily like Braveheart though.


I won't add to the "American Holiday/History" lecture, even though I want to wax philosophic on that sort of thing. I got the same problem with language as Vaarsuvius: I talk too much.

But seriously, how do you not M'urika? You some sort of furenner? :smalltongue:

Oh. :smallfrown: But what if I like people waxing philosophical. And dear, you have read my reviews and posts here right? I talk a mile a minute. A short post for me is still about three times as long as most people's short posts.
And there was that one time in RB where I got talking medieval history, theology, philosophy etc. with DragonPrime where our posts were so long we broke the sidebar for a good few hours.
I suppose I don't M'urika mostly because the shows I do watch tend to be British, and the books I read aren't usually set in modern America. A fair few films I watch are set in modern America, but there the cultural stuff tends to get a pass for the plot and action.
I do read fanfiction, and a lot of that is written by Americans (it seems); and so the Americanisms just stand out a lot more. If you'll pardon an anecdote (and I was so trying to make this particular response short) I read a fair bit of Harry Potter fanfic because I have no real connection to the series, and it's quite funny seeing Americans 'trying to be British' and then referring to Surrey as a town a fifteen minute drive away from London. Some of these writers claim to be big Potter fans and members of all these sites, and then boom! obvious (and easily researchable) error. I/British readers aren't expecting people to know everything, and I have fairly low standards for Britishisms/Americanisms/etc. but if you can Google Surrey and find out that it is neither a town nor on the coast . . .
And who the Hell drives into London when they have opportunities not to!?
That wasn't even related to what I was trying to say. Maybe about how jarring it is?

But back to the original question, most of the American stuff that airs on the channels I have access to are police procedurals, not-so-good sitcoms (in my opinion) and some appalling cartoons. And so, since I don't watch much telly anyway, and have nothing making me want to watch telly outside of things like Top Gear, QI, a few other panel shows and Doctor Who . . .
That and while British telly is becoming more and more popular in America, I can't get a feel for most of the things airing over here. I mean, I desperately want to watch A Game of Thrones, but we don't get it, and why buy it when the parents have already suggested getting it for me for Christmas?
That said, I've recently discovered the appallingly cheesy (and disgusting) show Kitchen Nightmares US which is just addictive. Train wreck after train wreck with all the hallmarks of a typical American schmaltzy show.


Wonderful review again!

Thank you!


But why is it perfectly legal in Callan? This is the sort of question that should have been posed and answered by the story. As it is, the only reason we can surmise is "because that's the only way the author's story can work".

Actually, explaining that outside of a courtroom, someone not native to Callan or someone who doesn't know the rules around duels would be obvious exposition. If anything, the general brutality of Callanians should explain it perfectly. If it wasn't for the fact that the Deegans and their closest associates decry it all as wrong and illegal and immoral and unjust and so on.


True, but how much does the general public know about that? And wouldn't he be tainted by association? Things are too convenient, too consequence-free in DD.

Maybe reading through Battle For Barthis again would supply answers to the questions, but it would necessitate reading through Battle For Barthis again, and while it wasn't awful it wasn't very good either.

Traab
2013-07-03, 09:06 PM
Except for the being implicated in a murder later on, and being possessed by a Demon Lord. And whatever the duel in Barthis was actually about. We'll have to agree to disagree about the precise legality of duels to the death as the subtext at least is that it's at least a little dubious.

I have to concede the murder thing, if only because im not sure which death you are talking about. I pretty much refuse to reread the entire arc and my memory is a bit fuzzy. When was he possessed by a demon lord though? I know he had some sort of cursed wound from karnak that only stopped hurting if he killed, but wasnt that whole inner self see the truth stupidity basically like a darker version of szark, the one who enjoys what he was doing? Even if it wasnt, who was going to inform the world of what Dom found inside szarks head?

The duel in barthis, ugh. It was clearly "legal" in as much as the royal knights were not only witnessing it, they were refereeing it. The fact that they were bought and paid for by braxis makes things a bit murkier, im honestly unsure of the actual rules, though I believe honor duels like the one they fought are actually legal, serk just paid the knights to help him cheat for the win, which clearly pissed off scarletti. And even with the cheating, szark not only kicked ass and won, he did it without killing despite being tempted. So honestly, that would count as a good character reference as well as a talent reference, as scarletti was a pretty famous duelist and szark beat him with a handicap.

And honestly, im unsure how the callan justice system works when it comes to things like extenuating circumstances. He had a demonically corrupted wound that drove him to kill, a mind controlling sorceress prostitute egging him on, and I cant help but think these factors would all be included in any sort of trial he might face. One final question, wasnt the war in hell over before szark got hired? Meaning his cursed wound was gone, healed over finally. So that right there removes one of the biggest potential stumbling blocks. The thing that had a large part in driving him to kill is now gone. The mind controlling lady of the night is dead, so most of the reasons for not hiring szark are negated.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-07-03, 09:32 PM
Oh, look at all that flynning. Rob Roy looks eerily like Braveheart though.

At least Liam has an accent from the right Hemisphere. :smallsmile:


I suppose I don't M'urika mostly because the shows I do watch tend to be British, and the books I read aren't usually set in modern America. A fair few films I watch are set in modern America, but there the cultural stuff tends to get a pass for the plot and action.

But our cultural stuff is action. Well, explosions. And giant robots. And more explosions. Have I mentioned how sorry we all are for Micheal Bay?


I do read fanfiction

Well now that wasn't very smart, was it? :smallwink::smalltongue:


If you'll pardon an anecdote (and I was so trying to make this particular response short) I read a fair bit of Harry Potter fanfic because I have no real connection to the series, and it's quite funny seeing Americans 'trying to be British' and then referring to Surrey as a town a fifteen minute drive away from London. Some of these writers claim to be big Potter fans and members of all these sites, and then boom! obvious (and easily researchable) error. I/British readers aren't expecting people to know everything, and I have fairly low standards for Britishisms/Americanisms/etc. but if you can Google Surrey and find out that it is neither a town nor on the coast . . .
And who the Hell drives into London when they have opportunities not to!?

All I know about London is that James May keeps losing races in it. :smallbiggrin:

Actually, I know a little bit more. I know that Chaucer loved fart jokes, the guys at the Tower of London are called Beefeaters (why??????), the food is terrible (by tradition), the weather is worse...

And no one cares about Cardiff. I guess it's the New Jersey of England. Well. Except for Actual Jersey, but whatever. My only other exposure to British stuff is Harry Potter, your television and Mr Pratchett. Although whenever I watch something like Doctor Who I can't help but cringe at the fake American accents, I suppose no less that you did when Mel Gibson did Braveheart (apologies again!).

Actually I absolutely loved a video on youtube where the cast of Harry Potter embarrassed themselves trying to do American accents (and failing!). Though the interesting bit for me was the actual instruction on what an "American" accent sounded like. It was weird, again like you probably do when Americans all do the same fake British accent and pretend that there's only the one.


But back to the original question, most of the American stuff that airs on the channels I have access to are police procedurals, not-so-good sitcoms (in my opinion) and some appalling cartoons. And so, since I don't watch much telly anyway, and have nothing making me want to watch telly outside of things like Top Gear, QI, a few other panel shows and Doctor Who . . .
That and while British telly is becoming more and more popular in America, I can't get a feel for most of the things airing over here. I mean, I desperately want to watch A Game of Thrones, but we don't get it, and why buy it when the parents have already suggested getting it for me for Christmas?
That said, I've recently discovered the appallingly cheesy (and disgusting) show Kitchen Nightmares US which is just addictive. Train wreck after train wreck with all the hallmarks of a typical American schmaltzy show.

Have I mentioned how sorry we all are about our television (wait, what's wrong with our cartoons?)? There's a reason Doctor Who is extremely popular over here. Now if BBC America would stop jerking its viewers around with weird schedule nonsense (I swear the last Tennant Christmas special got to us after Easter!) I might watch it more beyond Top Gear, Doctor Who and Copper.

I'm not sure if there's a truly American tv show, if only because it's a big country, and I doubt any one thing encapsulates everything. But let me try: Watch Last of the Mohicans (I guess? it's got you lot in it, and not just racist stereotypes mostly kind of), the movie version of the play 1776 (my god our founders were odd old perverts!), Gangs of New York (I would go gay for Daniel-Day), either read The Civil War by the magnificent Shelby Foote or watch the miniseries based on it by Ken Burns*, anything Clint Eastwood's been in (Outlaw Jose Wales is a must), Saving Private Ryan is good and takes less time than the superior Band of Brothers and The Pacific. Copper's pretty darn close to how things were in NY, though still somewhat sanitized.

Um...Sons of Anarchy?

* This more than anything. The Civil War was the American Iliad/Odyssey, and this show, more than anything in the world, perfectly realizes how important that time was.**

** Now that I think about it, how much American history do non-Americans get exposed to? I can rattle off a fair bit of British history myself, despite the abysmal hole that it the American educational system, but whenever I meet someone outside the states they tend to have no clue about it except that we're obnoxious as tourists (but apparently very nice as hosts, what), we eat too much, and Lincoln freed the slaves. Oh and we helped out with WW2. A little.

Doompuppy
2013-07-04, 02:35 AM
This webcomic has been going nine years (for me) and despite the fact that I've done fairly extensive reviews on it I can't really tell you much about it. Oh, I can give you anecdotes, but I can't really tell you much about the culture. I don't even know the currency of Callan! What kind of nonsense is this that after two and a half thousand pages I can't even tell you its currency. Maybe it was mentioned once or twice, but I don't know it.

Can't find the one or two strips where coins actually changed hands, but I'm fairly sure that the currency of Callan is "gold". So yeah, you've now officially thought more about it than Mookie ever did.

Welf
2013-07-04, 03:16 PM
At least the letter would show he was trying. What I believe it what's happening just shows inattention and laziness on a large scale. If it was only a few times that would be excusable - maybe you were called away when you were working on the lettering of your final draft and your deadline meant you couldn't redo it so there wasn't such an obvious excess of ink partway through. But we see random bolding pretty much every page.

It's depressing. I'm sloppy, too, but at least I try to get better sometimes.


So German then? And everything's easier than reading statistical papers. I made better headway reading the exams of someone sitting their final undergrad Physics exams than I did reading one question about stats from a mathematician's final exam paper.

Eyup. Clauses'R'Us.
And true that.But it also means standards are high here.



This fills me with dread, especially seeing as I predicted a few trite ways the plot could play out.

I read your predictions. It will be interesting. :smallsmile:


Actually, I know a little bit more. I know that Chaucer loved fart jokes, the guys at the Tower of London are called Beefeaters (why??????), the food is terrible (by tradition), the weather is worse...

Fun fact: there is actually a good economic reason for the terrible English food. London grew faster then transportation means, so they had to convert everything into food and use inferior means of food conversation. After a while they got used to it and called it tradition, even when they could get better food. But I heard it English food got better in recent years.

Kwatsu
2013-07-04, 07:00 PM
I've been doing a re-read of the old snark threads lately (I'm about halfway through Maltak, help me!) and a few interesting things show up in them. So in between Curly's excellent analyses--best wishes to your family, BTW--I was going to offer a thought that's sort of on topic to the thread. Well, the thread title, anyway. It centres around Dominic's visions.

One thing that's been relatively consistent about his visions, as opposed to every other damn element of the magic system, is that Dominic never knew where they came from. Even when his second sight merged with the Heart of Magic or ascended or whatever, I never got the impression that they actually came from the HoM: that was just what allowed him to get them.

Only, we do know where some of them came from: Jacob. He proved in the Visions of Doom arc that he was able to implant visions in Dominic's mind (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-08-02), either to manipulate him or just squick him out (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2006-12-18).

Was there ever an explanation for how Jacob was able to do that without Dominic blocking him out, or is it just a "necromancers do wacky crap" kind of thing? Rilian was pretty good at messing with Dominic's head, too, but Dom's visions were always held up as being some sort of "higher message pay attention to this" deal. If Jacob's able to implant them, I guess the response to "nobody knows why some people get visions and nobody ever does" should be "have you tried asking Jacob how he does it"?

I dunno, it's just something that interested me. And if there was anywhere to necro old topics... :smallsmile:

Thufir
2013-07-04, 09:10 PM
And no one cares about Cardiff. I guess it's the New Jersey of England.

Since Curly just mentioned the thing about people not doing their very easy google research, I feel compelled to point out that Cardiff is in Wales.

The Troubadour
2013-07-04, 09:32 PM
Oh, look at all that flynning. Rob Roy looks eerily like Braveheart though.

I think Liam Neeson's "Rob Roy" is a very good movie, but I still have a soft spot for Disney's old version.


Actually, explaining that outside of a courtroom, someone not native to Callan or someone who doesn't know the rules around duels would be obvious exposition.

Ah, not all exposition needs to be obvious and/or inelegant. But that was just an example; I'm actually not bothered by the issue of the legality of duels to the death in Callan (the Norsemen had legal duels to the death, for instance). But I am bothered by the lack of a coherent setting to serve as a background for the story.

Oracle_Hunter
2013-07-04, 10:59 PM
Only, we do know where some of them came from: Jacob. He proved in the Visions of Doom arc that he was able to implant visions in Dominic's mind (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-08-02), either to manipulate him or just squick him out (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2006-12-18).

Was there ever an explanation for how Jacob was able to do that without Dominic blocking him out, or is it just a "necromancers do wacky crap" kind of thing? Rilian was pretty good at messing with Dominic's head, too, but Dom's visions were always held up as being some sort of "higher message pay attention to this" deal. If Jacob's able to implant them, I guess the response to "nobody knows why some people get visions and nobody ever does" should be "have you tried asking Jacob how he does it"?

I dunno, it's just something that interested me. And if there was anywhere to necro old topics... :smallsmile:
Nope, it was never explained.

Like most of Mookie's early Arcs it is best labeled as Early Installment Weirdness with the footnote that Mookie ceased his attempts to make Dominic less than all-powerful around the end of Storm of Souls. Before then you had false visions, crazy anti-Seer magitek and Dominic actually being wrong about things. While these issues would pop up almost as sidebars later on (e.g. the ring in Battle of Barthis) they were never central to the conflict at hand or didn't keep Dominic from getting exactly what he wanted.

SaintRidley
2013-07-04, 11:26 PM
Yeah, false visions wound up becoming one of those things that just got dropped. A shame, too, because that would have made a much more interesting story out of the mess.


Since Curly just mentioned the thing about people not doing their very easy google research, I feel compelled to point out that Cardiff is in Wales.

And don't we wish New Jersey was too.

t209
2013-07-05, 06:01 AM
Just being curious, Is CurlyKitGirl Mookie?

Doompuppy
2013-07-05, 06:29 AM
I think it's safe to say no, considering Curly's awesomeness and solid understanding of most of the areas where Mookie fails miserably in his comics-crafting.

T-O-E
2013-07-05, 11:28 AM
Since Curly just mentioned the thing about people not doing their very easy google research, I feel compelled to point out that Cardiff is in Wales.

And this from someone who could 'rattle off a fair bit of British history myself'.

Mewtarthio
2013-07-05, 11:56 AM
Just being curious, Is CurlyKitGirl Mookie?

Curly has an intimate understanding of all Mookie's failures that he refuses to acknowledge. Therefore, I must conclude that Curly is Mookie's Shadow.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-05, 12:20 PM
@Traab: The murder was in Oracle Hunter (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-01-05), and yeah, the next page is the one where Szark says he "do[es] a lot of things from behind". And he was actually cleared of it pretty quickly; so quickly I forgot he was cleared near instantaneously. However, this arc was definitively a long time after the War in Hell, so that he still has a medi-alert-for-other-people bracelet after all that time at least suggests Prontus is wary enough of him to have a constant tracer (and they did immediately accuse him). I'm also fairly sure this was after he was employed at the Duelling Academy too.
And, somehow I don't think we'll be able to untangle Szark and his legal status.
Might as well throw our hands up in the air and give up.
The demonic possession was declared openly in Erossuss, to a room full of people, so I think that should be fairly well known. Then again, I just can't tell from that particular strip whether he's talking in Szark's mind or out loud.
Yeah. Me, giving up.


At least Liam has an accent from the right Hemisphere. :smallsmile:

He's only a couple hundred miles off. Hollywood demonstrating that to them, there is no Scotland, there is no Ireland; only Scotireland.


But our cultural stuff is action. Well, explosions. And giant robots. And more explosions. Have I mentioned how sorry we all are for Micheal Bay?

Ah! But without American culture there wouldn't be any American Gods. Point to me. And without Hollywood there wouldn't be the MCU. And sometimes explosions and giant robots are okay.
You don't have to apologise for Michael Bay though, everyone else seems to.


Well now that wasn't very smart, was it? :smallwink::smalltongue:

Some of it's pretty good, some of it's the literary equivalent of junk food, a lot of it's pretty bad and avoidable, some of it's so bad it's bile fascination. Very, very rarely, it's amazing.


All I know about London is that James May keeps losing races in it. :smallbiggrin:

James May loses races no matter where he is.


Actually, I know a little bit more. I know that Chaucer loved fart jokes, the guys at the Tower of London are called Beefeaters (why??????), the food is terrible (by tradition), the weather is worse...

Chaucer was a dirty old man; they're called that because they were permitted to eat as much beef as they wanted from the king's table (at at least, that's the best guess anyone can make), difficulty travelling lead to difficulty preserving foodstuffs, so simple basic food. The food here's fairly good (but not exactly complicated), so it's mostly tradition to call food bad. That and compared to some of our European neighbours our food really isn't that good. And the weather is British weather. It'd be worse if Ireland wasn't in between (most) of the UK and the Atlantic.


And no one cares about Cardiff. I guess it's the New Jersey of England. Well. Except for Actual Jersey, but whatever. My only other exposure to British stuff is Harry Potter, your television and Mr Pratchett. Although whenever I watch something like Doctor Who I can't help but cringe at the fake American accents, I suppose no less that you did when Mel Gibson did Braveheart (apologies again!).

Wales. Cardiff is the capital of Wales. And it's mostly a joke. Don't worry though, we cringe (sometimes) at the fake American accents on our shows too. And Braveheart . . . well. Let's just say that we're used to being the villains in every other Hollywood film.


Actually I absolutely loved a video on youtube where the cast of Harry Potter embarrassed themselves trying to do American accents (and failing!). Though the interesting bit for me was the actual instruction on what an "American" accent sounded like. It was weird, again like you probably do when Americans all do the same fake British accent and pretend that there's only the one.

Oh no, Americans think there are only two British accents: RP and Cockney. As for being taught an American accent, maybe they were being taught just that: an American accent (probably the most common one seen on TV/in films). I mean, it'd be hypocritical of us to talk about there being one American accent when our wee tiny country has so many. Not that we don't pretend there's only one American accent for the sake of comedy.
Somewhat relatedly, was watching an episode of Kitchen Nightmares US last night and one of the restaurant owners was such a moron that he believe this lie told to him by his brother:
"He's British; 'busy idiot' is a compliment to them. Don't get angry because he's from British and they don't speak proper English over there."
HE BELIEVED IT and for the rest of the episode kept talking about sending Gordon Ramsey back to 'British' for being an idiot who didn't know how to speak English or cook.


Have I mentioned how sorry we all are about our television (wait, what's wrong with our cartoons?)? There's a reason Doctor Who is extremely popular over here. Now if BBC America would stop jerking its viewers around with weird schedule nonsense (I swear the last Tennant Christmas special got to us after Easter!) I might watch it more beyond Top Gear, Doctor Who and Copper.

American Dad, Family Guy, The Simpsons. The latter is okay, but we only seem to have one batch of cartoons from about eight years ago that gets cycled through endlessly. Oh, and Futurama's pretty good. Avatar: the Legend of Aang/TLA was good too, but it doesn't air any more.
To be honest, I just think most telly's not very good at all, but the few things I do watch are British. Can't wait for Sherlock to be back. And I have noticed that there are a lot of Anglophiles in America, and the recent(ish) proliferation of very good British films/shows/books/actors probably incited interest in a lot more people.


I'm not sure if there's a truly American tv show, if only because it's a big country, and I doubt any one thing encapsulates everything. But let me try: Watch Last of the Mohicans (I guess? it's got you lot in it, and not just racist stereotypes mostly kind of), the movie version of the play 1776 (my god our founders were odd old perverts!), Gangs of New York (I would go gay for Daniel-Day), either read The Civil War by the magnificent Shelby Foote or watch the miniseries based on it by Ken Burns*, anything Clint Eastwood's been in (Outlaw Jose Wales is a must), Saving Private Ryan is good and takes less time than the superior Band of Brothers and The Pacific. Copper's pretty darn close to how things were in NY, though still somewhat sanitized.

Um...Sons of Anarchy?

* This more than anything. The Civil War was the American Iliad/Odyssey, and this show, more than anything in the world, perfectly realizes how important that time was.**

Sounds interesting, especially 1776, I may hunt them down.


** Now that I think about it, how much American history do non-Americans get exposed to? I can rattle off a fair bit of British history myself, despite the abysmal hole that it the American educational system, but whenever I meet someone outside the states they tend to have no clue about it except that we're obnoxious as tourists (but apparently very nice as hosts, what), we eat too much, and Lincoln freed the slaves. Oh and we helped out with WW2. A little.

Well, I went to a state school, a fairly average one, so I'll tell you my experience, and add a caveat that there are different exam boards and different areas of the UK have different lessons.
In Y8 I did a bit over a term (roughly twelve weeks to a term) on . . . I don't know what it's properly called, the American expansion into Indian territories; we also touched a bit on the American Revolution. I think it was then (because in Y7 we did the Greeks, Romans and a bit on the Normans) that we did a little on Columbus and the colonisation of America. I remember this specifically because I had to correct the teacher about aspects of Columbus and his history.
Y9/Y10 (I forget which) was the American Civil War, seguing into American Civil Rights; and in GCSEs it was the Great Depression, other units by their very nature (WWI (in various aspects) and the interbellum) involved America.
By the time my sister did GCSE History there was a unit on Vietnam.
For A Levels my college offered Medieval History and Modern History. If you took Modern History you did the Vietnam War, the Cold War and a few other
things.
Then when you get to degree level you can specialise in American History, specific eras of History, or take Special Interest/Special Option papers on pretty much anything.
Outside of actual history . . . we did some American poets for both GCSE Englishes and that carried over into A Levels and beyond, including discussing the differences between American and British English; I did a bit of American Geography at some point in school.
So mostly I know American History from say 1800 to 1945, with other bits from general reading and current events.


Can't find the one or two strips where coins actually changed hands, but I'm fairly sure that the currency of Callan is "gold". So yeah, you've now officially thought more about it than Mookie ever did.

I think officially we've all thought more about Callan and the world of DD than Mookie ever did. It really is baffling though, it takes all of three seconds to think of a name for currency; if nothing else he could have just called it Gil a la Final Fantasy.


It's depressing. I'm sloppy, too, but at least I try to get better sometimes.

Even worse: someone lazier, and sloppier than you is a fairly famous author and writer of a webcomic. People are fans of him.


Eyup. Clauses'R'Us.
And true that.But it also means standards are high here.

Yay! I guessed someone's native language from writing style and small comments. Go me. *half hearted boogie*
My uni was pretty good, I'm just not very good at science. Or mathematics. Seriously, I used to be good at mathematics, but then Y10 (aged fifteen) happened and poof! all my mathematical skills went down the drain.


I read your predictions. It will be interesting. :smallsmile:

Oh dear.


Fun fact: there is actually a good economic reason for the terrible English food. London grew faster then transportation means, so they had to convert everything into food and use inferior means of food conversation. After a while they got used to it and called it tradition, even when they could get better food. But I heard it English food got better in recent years.

Pretty much. By the by, did you mean conservation up there, not conversation? Really, I think the Brits perpetuate the joke about their terrible food; I mean it's not bad, it's just you know, okay.


I've been doing a re-read of the old snark threads lately (I'm about halfway through Maltak, help me!) and a few interesting things show up in them. So in between Curly's excellent analyses--best wishes to your family, BTW--I was going to offer a thought that's sort of on topic to the thread. Well, the thread title, anyway. It centres around Dominic's visions.

One thing that's been relatively consistent about his visions, as opposed to every other damn element of the magic system, is that Dominic never knew where they came from. Even when his second sight merged with the Heart of Magic or ascended or whatever, I never got the impression that they actually came from the HoM: that was just what allowed him to get them.

Only, we do know where some of them came from: Jacob. He proved in the Visions of Doom arc that he was able to implant visions in Dominic's mind (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2003-08-02), either to manipulate him or just squick him out (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2006-12-18).

Was there ever an explanation for how Jacob was able to do that without Dominic blocking him out, or is it just a "necromancers do wacky crap" kind of thing? Rilian was pretty good at messing with Dominic's head, too, but Dom's visions were always held up as being some sort of "higher message pay attention to this" deal. If Jacob's able to implant them, I guess the response to "nobody knows why some people get visions and nobody ever does" should be "have you tried asking Jacob how he does it"?

I dunno, it's just something that interested me. And if there was anywhere to necro old topics... :smallsmile:

Easy: Mookie forgot that could happen. Everything is explained with that OR someone else was more popular than Dom.
Remember when Dom had actual flaws and a personality and actually seemed like a normal human being who actually had a character arc?
Mookie doesn't!
Remember when Jacob was a badass and everyone loved him? Mookie did, so he nerfed him.
Remember when Siggy had significant character development and was one of the more developed people in the story? Mookie did! So he . . . yeah.



Ah, not all exposition needs to be obvious and/or inelegant. But that was just an example; I'm actually not bothered by the issue of the legality of duels to the death in Callan (the Norsemen had legal duels to the death, for instance). But I am bothered by the lack of a coherent setting to serve as a background for the story.

Everyone's bothered by the lack of a coherent setting. Back when I was regularly posting my reviews there was an effort to create some form of cohesive geography for Callan. Didn't work. I did some maths in one when I was frustrated with the lack of anything about Callan and hacked out a somewhat plausible geography for at least part of Callan.
Then Mookie went on the world building arc because he forgot that world building meant 'Fill in the Holes About Your World' not 'Give Your World More Holes Than A Sieve'.


Nope, it was never explained.

Like most of Mookie's early Arcs it is best labeled as Early Installment Weirdness with the footnote that Mookie ceased his attempts to make Dominic less than all-powerful around the end of Storm of Souls. Before then you had false visions, crazy anti-Seer magitek and Dominic actually being wrong about things. While these issues would pop up almost as sidebars later on (e.g. the ring in Battle of Barthis) they were never central to the conflict at hand or didn't keep Dominic from getting exactly what he wanted.

Isn't it odd that a lot of the things Mookie had in the comic before Storm of Souls would actually be very plausible justifications for later events in the comic? If he hadn't gotten rid of them, I mean.
Oh noes, we can't find the Oracle Hunter - s/he must have anti-Seer wards cast on her person and a Ring of Obscuration. Oh noes, we can't find Celesto - anti-Seer wards!
Oh noes - Dom is going to suffer mind break. And one of the first symptoms could have been false visions, just like how certain real world illnesses can screw with your body and give you seizures and allergic reactions and whatever. Wouldn't that have been amazing? Dom has multiple visions over the course of a few chapters, all of impending doom/bad things that, when followed up on/acted upon serve only to hurt people and/or reveal nothing has happened. Dom becomes worried because his scrying is becoming more and more fallible, weak, indecisive and uncertain.
In his rage he tracks down Jacob/someone he thinks is Jacob and beats them almost to death with magic, causing serious permanent damage. His friends and family find out and are repulsed, thinking he's gone straight up evil/insane, and cast sedative spells or something.
However, a few of them (here we'll fudge it so mindbreak is something Seers Do Not Talk About) know something is wrong, Dom wouldn't do this, there must be a reason, and then Rilian shows up. Maybe he actually talks to Jacob about what his actions have done, and that because he used to torment Dom with false visions, the fact he's suffering from a Mind Break has gone unnoticed and if he doesn't figure out how to cure Dom the world will end.
Cue a somewhat-redemptive arc, Dom gets cured etc. etc.
Certainly better than what we actually get. We could even work Punchy McStonefist into my Mind Break arc!
And that was fifteen minutes of writing and planning.


Yeah, false visions wound up becoming one of those things that just got dropped. A shame, too, because that would have made a much more interesting story out of the mess.

See above.
But even if we didn't lump the mind break and false visions together . . . why hasn't Celesto ever sent Dom a false vision? Or Snugglythulumon? Or the Oracle Hunter. Employ a corrupt mage to send a false vision to a Seer/multiple ones, wait for them there and orchestrate a 'terrible accident'.


Just being curious, Is CurlyKitGirl Mookie?

. . .
. . .
lolwut
Why would you think that? Out of sincere curiosity and a need to know.


I think it's safe to say no, considering Curly's awesomeness and solid understanding of most of the areas where Mookie fails miserably in his comics-crafting.

I think it's safe to say no, considering I've been on these forums for seven years and people who have met me can see that I'm a female from the UK.
Also what you said.
I'm definitely not a good artist, but I certainly hope I'm a better writer and creator of characters than Mookie.

Anyway, new review being worked on. Someone is being logical in DD. This is almost a miracle.

Ninjadeadbeard
2013-07-05, 01:44 PM
Crap. I knew Cardiff was in Wales. I knew because of that Doctor Who episode where the Slitheen lady complains about it.

It just...slipped my mind. :smallsigh:

@Curly: I can safely say you know more about American history than most Americans. Kudos!

Traab
2013-07-05, 04:25 PM
@Traab: The murder was in Oracle Hunter, and yeah, the next page is the one where Szark says he "do[es] a lot of things from behind". And he was actually cleared of it pretty quickly; so quickly I forgot he was cleared near instantaneously. However, this arc was definitively a long time after the War in Hell, so that he still has a medi-alert-for-other-people bracelet after all that time at least suggests Prontus is wary enough of him to have a constant tracer (and they did immediately accuse him). I'm also fairly sure this was after he was employed at the Duelling Academy too.
And, somehow I don't think we'll be able to untangle Szark and his legal status.
Might as well throw our hands up in the air and give up.
The demonic possession was declared openly in Erossuss, to a room full of people, so I think that should be fairly well known. Then again, I just can't tell from that particular strip whether he's talking in Szark's mind or out loud.
Yeah. Me, giving up.

Ah, I had totally forgotten about that part of the arc. And too be fair, they quickly jumped to that conclusion for many very good reasons. For one, he activated a necklace meant to be used if he, you know, went off the deep end and killed someone. Also, he was standing there blade in hand with a dead seer and a dying one lying on the ground. And there wasnt anyone else there. Also, like you said, he was cleared so fast I think it took about 4 panels total to go from accusation to, "Never mind, you are free to go" No wonder it didnt stick in my mind.

Also, many things from behind. . . yeah. Im pretty sure szark only existed so mookie had an excuse to use as many gay jokes as he could think of without being accused of homophobia or something. I take the existence of brett taggerty as more proof of "methinks the mookie doth protest too much" as he was so balls out over the top psychotically bungholeish that his use of frequent homophobic slurs was able to blend in. "See? I dont think these remarks are funny. Thats why this EEEEVIL guy is the only one other than the fruit saying them!"

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-05, 05:21 PM
Crap. I knew Cardiff was in Wales. I knew because of that Doctor Who episode where the Slitheen lady complains about it.

It just...slipped my mind. :smallsigh:

It's okay, everyone has a brain fart moment.


@Curly: I can safely say you know more about American history than most Americans. Kudos!

Most of it was a long time ago, I still have the books floating around, but the last six years or so had me focused on European and Levantine medieval history. My American history is sketchy in comparisons.
And I'd actually be sincerely worried if "most Americans" knew less American History than me. Even if you chose to ignore pre-Columbus history that's only six hundred years of history to learn, so surely you can focus more on it along with, say, international C20th history.
Typically, over here at least, we did our own history from c. 200BC - now, spread out from Y1 in Primary (about seven years old) to GCSE (sixteen years old), and the older you get the more you get international history added in.


Ah, I had totally forgotten about that part of the arc. And too be fair, they quickly jumped to that conclusion for many very good reasons. For one, he activated a necklace meant to be used if he, you know, went off the deep end and killed someone. Also, he was standing there blade in hand with a dead seer and a dying one lying on the ground. And there wasn't anyone else there. Also, like you said, he was cleared so fast I think it took about 4 panels total to go from accusation to, "Never mind, you are free to go" No wonder it didn't stick in my mind.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You think it actually took panel time. Behold!
Je vous accuse! (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-01-07) Vous etes innocent. (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2008-01-08) Time taken: ZERO PANELS
(Also, note the 'f' of 'fine' in the second panel. Perfect example of 'I stopped work mid-speechbubble'.)

You know, in the hands of a good writer, Szark's endlessly questionable legal status (regarding culpability, freak chance (the oracle murder), involvement in shady duels and so on) would be a good plot point. We know the average Callanian varies between and Homophobic Racist Jerk Jocks Who Believe Everything They're Told, so what would happen if someone started a smear campaign against Szark?
Right now. When there's a national(?) duelling competition going on, and some of his students are competing.
I'll cop to being a fairly average writer. So: I'm given a man addicted to killing because it makes his physical/spiritual/mental wound painless for a short time; he was possessed by a Demon Lord and (possibly) outed about it to a room full of rich people; his wife was an infamous whore; he's an excellent duellist; he's bisexual, or at least doesn't mind having sex with both genders to spice up his sex life; he has fairly horrible taste in clothing; and seems to be a fairly nice person; determined and dedicated.
First thing I'd do, after asserting how culpable he was in shady duels would simply be to have him up sticks and move; but gossip is fast and so easily twisted. By the time the rumours reach Prontus well . . . let's just say that there's a lynch mob out to get him for very legitimate reasons. However, he perseveres, because at heart he is an honourable person who believes that running away would only worsen his cause. Despite the literally overwhelming urge to kill the people who jeer at him (and directly accuse him of paedophilia - making him lose his job and almost all of his tutoring pool) that sometimes forces him to hurt himself grievously [I]just to physically prevent him from hurting someone else.
Yes . . . someone like Szark in the hands of an average-or-better writer could be an excellent character indeed. Maybe a bit cliche, but damn, could Szark give you opportunities. But nope: straight to Aberthast Cathedral and he's cured and no one cares about beyond calling him homophobic slurs. For the most part.

Whoa. Where did that come from?
I suppose it's yet another missed opportunity because Mookie took the easy way out or didn't see it. :/


Also, many things from behind. . . yeah. I'm pretty sure szark only existed so mookie had an excuse to use as many gay jokes as he could think of without being accused of homophobia or something. I take the existence of brett taggerty as more proof of "methinks the mookie doth protest too much" as he was so balls out over the top psychotically bungholeish that his use of frequent homophobic slurs was able to blend in. "See? I dont think these remarks are funny. That's why this EEEEVIL guy is the only one other than the fruit saying them!"

"Oh but no, I'm not homophobic because my main character has a gay bestie so it's okay!
"And of course only evil people use homophobic slurs because that's how you know they're not very nice. And it's okay for gay people to make homophobic jokes because irony, and the good characters always tell the bad people they're not being very nice."
"Okay, so what about when the good guys make gay jokes?"
"It's okay because it's not mean." ????? Maybe that's his thought process?
Most likely there isn't a thought process beyond 'homophobia is wrong, so this shows people are evil' and 'reclamation (taking a word that has perjorative meanings denigrating a group and making it their own) shows that Szark is comfortable with his sexuality'.
Because everyone knows gay people always make gay jokes. And only ever think about gay things.
Because when a large portion of your readers have a running gag along the lines of 'I don't know about you, but I think Szark may be gay', you're doing characterisation wrong and it's not even funny! See, Jack from Will and Grace was funny as a very camp, effeminate gay person because he was witty and had a lot of funny lines and moments. Also, that show was written in the '90s (I think) so that was actually fair for its time.

Good God, I need to stop thinking about this comic when I'm actually angry.

MReav
2013-07-05, 05:28 PM
Curly, what's with your avatar? The cat looks like it's wearing a wig.

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-05, 06:06 PM
Curly, what's with your avatar? The cat looks like it's wearing a wig.

I changed my avvie to one Dr. Bath did for me last decade (just that I can say that . . . ), it was one of the earliest ones he did for me, and I felt a bit retro.
The Demoncat is wearing a laurel wreath.
Now, as for my avvie, I like letting people figure out who or what she's based on. All the clues you need are: the avvie pic, my location, and whatever my sig says on the line Curly! _____ of the Written Word.
She's not always inspired directly by a scene or person, but she is fairly often.

T-O-E
2013-07-05, 06:22 PM
Now, as for my avvie, I like letting people figure out who or what she's based on.

Oh god, just do it.

Vinyadan
2013-07-05, 06:30 PM
I changed my avvie to one Dr. Bath did for me last decade (just that I can say that . . . ), it was one of the earliest ones he did for me, and I felt a bit retro.
The Demoncat is wearing a laurel wreath.
Now, as for my avvie, I like letting people figure out who or what she's based on. All the clues you need are: the avvie pic, my location, and whatever my sig says on the line Curly! _____ of the Written Word.
She's not always inspired directly by a scene or person, but she is fairly often.

Formerly in Samothrace, now in Paris? :smallwink:

CurlyKitGirl
2013-07-05, 06:46 PM
Oh god, just do it.

Okay, it's -


Formerly in Samothrace, now in Paris? :smallwink:

Yep!
To be precise, I can be found on the ground floor of the Denon Wing of the Louvre. Just by the Victory of Samothrace staircase.
Although I'd have liked it if my head had survived the millenia. :smallannoyed:

If you hadn't guessed, 'tis Nike, Goddess of Winged Victory. (The Roman equivalent is Victoria)

Fawkes
2013-07-06, 02:23 AM
Oh, did this comic finally end? About damn time.

I stopped reading back when Stunt and whats-her-face, the useless priestess who sucks, were off wandering the desert doing god knows what. Did I miss anything interesting?

Oracle_Hunter
2013-07-06, 02:24 AM
I stopped reading back when Stunt and whats-her-face, the useless priestess who sucks, were off wandering the desert doing god knows what. Did I miss anything interesting?
Short answer: No

Long answer:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooope

Fawkes
2013-07-06, 02:25 AM
Short answer: No

Long answer:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooope

Did it ever get stupid crazy again, or did it stay stupid boring to the bitter end?

SaintRidley
2013-07-06, 02:30 AM
It got stupid stupid to the bitter end.

Fawkes
2013-07-06, 02:44 AM
It got stupid stupid to the bitter end.

Well, see, that doesn't sound so bad.

Welf
2013-07-06, 11:58 AM
Even worse: someone lazier, and sloppier than you is a fairly famous author and writer of a webcomic. People are fans of him.

You shouldn't underestimate my laziness. And to Mookies credit: when he thought "I can do that, too", he actually did. Just not well.
On the other side, my super-awesome novel never got past page 7. Then again, I can look back at those and see how terrible I was, and I think I could do better today.


Yay! I guessed someone's native language from writing style and small comments. Go me. *half hearted boogie*
My uni was pretty good, I'm just not very good at science. Or mathematics. Seriously, I used to be good at mathematics, but then Y10 (aged fifteen) happened and poof! all my mathematical skills went down the drain.

And guessed correctly. I always wonder how my writings sound to a native speaker, and how much my mother tongue influences my writing in English. And how much is blurred by my terrible orthography.

Maybe you got bad teachers? I used to be very good in mathematics and science in elementary school, and got really in higher classes bad due to a terrible teacher.



Oh dear.

I think by know you know what I mean.


Pretty much. By the by, did you mean conservation up there, not conversation? Really, I think the Brits perpetuate the joke about their terrible food; I mean it's not bad, it's just you know, okay.

I meant conservation. Spell-checking programs made me even more of a dyslexic. :smallredface:


Isn't it odd that a lot of the things Mookie had in the comic before Storm of Souls would actually be very plausible justifications for later events in the comic? If he hadn't gotten rid of them, I mean.

There were a lot of good open endings that could have been used later. I always wondered why that seer-killing sect was never re-used.


I think it's safe to say no, considering I've been on these forums for seven years and people who have met me can see that I'm a female from the UK.
Also what you said.
I'm definitely not a good artist, but I certainly hope I'm a better writer and creator of characters than Mookie.

Even I got those two points, and I'm not really attentive.

Oracle_Hunter
2013-07-06, 07:34 PM
Well, see, that doesn't sound so bad.
Spoiled for Curly
At the time it was mostly stupid-boring (e.g. Bumper got killed and they had a huge funeral while DJ Callan was in the process of enacting his Evil Plan) with some glimpses of stupid-stupid (e.g. Snuggly was actually DJ's enchanted eyeballs) mixed with Mookie's patented combination of poor pacing and tin ear for drama. Oh, and then Mookie went into hyper-drive after he already blew his original deadline to end the thing to start blowing up loose ends without rhyme or reason.

Mr. McGician
2013-07-06, 08:09 PM
Welp, after dutifully following Dominic Deegan for a year or so, I got distracted for two months and missed the ending. Which, as it turns out, was was the same as missing absolutely nothing. It's probably better this way. My brain might have imploded from the sheer amount of concentrated anticlimax.

Unsurprisingly, the ending was even stupider than I'd expected. Not even an attempt to address the political turmoil that would result from a king dying without any heirs. Not to mention the country's entire army being wiped out. And we get an ultimate Mighty Whitey conclusion with the world praising the Callanians even though everything was their country's fault. I also liked how Mookie apparently thought we would all be worried about what would happen to Spark when everyone else was old.