Xuldarinar
2013-05-31, 04:01 AM
Simply, i want to start a discussion to figure out the limitations of the feat lost tradition.
Lost Tradition
*Flavor text*
Benefits: Choose one spellcasting class. You may change which ability score governs spellcasting with that class. That ability cannot be changed.
*Example*
Special: You can take this feat only at 1st level.
Now. This discussion breaks down into 2 areas. Ability scores, and casting. Its a bit more complicated than it seems.
Ability Scores, the simplest part of the discussion. By Raw, this feat allows: Charisma, Constitution, Dexterity, Intellect, Strength and Wisdom. My question is; since taint is used as a casting stat by some PrCs, can taint/corruption/depravity be selected by this feat? Is there anything else, somewhere, that might count as an ability score?
Spellcasting. Well, lets break this1, down.
Arcane Spellcasting and Divine Spellcasting are obviously in. Lets see what else could be..
Mysteries They behave a bit as spells, but cannot benefit from feats that -enhance- spells. Mystery-users also can qualify for anything with their mysteries that has a non-specific (as in arcane or divine) caster level or spell level. Its on shaky ground for being permitted, but look to invocations below.
Psionic Powers: Well, my take is this. If Psionic/Magic transparency is in play, or the psionic user would have the magic mantle, then I'd say it counts.
Soulmelds: If soulmeld-magic transparency is in play, then it may be just as valid as powers benefiting with transparency.
Invocations: I'd say no right off the bat.. but in the beginning of the feat section of complete arcane it discusses types of spell effecting feats they can and cannot take. Based on that, I believe they can take advantage of the feat. The reasoning is that invocations are spell-like abilities that require somatic gestures. By extension, this opens the door (in theory) for any 'casting' class that uses spell-like abilities with somatic gestures.
Infusions: I could make an argument for this, they benefit from things that would benefit a spell caster, like "+1 level to existing spellcasting class". However, in the first line of the infusion entry: "An artificer is not a spellcaster….." This one line might put the nail in this one's coffin.
Soulbinds: I doubt it, but thought i'd list it incase someone had a clue one way or another. Only thing I can point to is, they can replicate some spells and mysteries, and in such cases their binder level is treated as their caster level.
Utterances: I have my doubts here as well, but I'll simply bring up a certain term; "Effective caster level.", also if we extend the same logic for invocations benefiting, the door may open here.
Lost Tradition
*Flavor text*
Benefits: Choose one spellcasting class. You may change which ability score governs spellcasting with that class. That ability cannot be changed.
*Example*
Special: You can take this feat only at 1st level.
Now. This discussion breaks down into 2 areas. Ability scores, and casting. Its a bit more complicated than it seems.
Ability Scores, the simplest part of the discussion. By Raw, this feat allows: Charisma, Constitution, Dexterity, Intellect, Strength and Wisdom. My question is; since taint is used as a casting stat by some PrCs, can taint/corruption/depravity be selected by this feat? Is there anything else, somewhere, that might count as an ability score?
Spellcasting. Well, lets break this1, down.
Arcane Spellcasting and Divine Spellcasting are obviously in. Lets see what else could be..
Mysteries They behave a bit as spells, but cannot benefit from feats that -enhance- spells. Mystery-users also can qualify for anything with their mysteries that has a non-specific (as in arcane or divine) caster level or spell level. Its on shaky ground for being permitted, but look to invocations below.
Psionic Powers: Well, my take is this. If Psionic/Magic transparency is in play, or the psionic user would have the magic mantle, then I'd say it counts.
Soulmelds: If soulmeld-magic transparency is in play, then it may be just as valid as powers benefiting with transparency.
Invocations: I'd say no right off the bat.. but in the beginning of the feat section of complete arcane it discusses types of spell effecting feats they can and cannot take. Based on that, I believe they can take advantage of the feat. The reasoning is that invocations are spell-like abilities that require somatic gestures. By extension, this opens the door (in theory) for any 'casting' class that uses spell-like abilities with somatic gestures.
Infusions: I could make an argument for this, they benefit from things that would benefit a spell caster, like "+1 level to existing spellcasting class". However, in the first line of the infusion entry: "An artificer is not a spellcaster….." This one line might put the nail in this one's coffin.
Soulbinds: I doubt it, but thought i'd list it incase someone had a clue one way or another. Only thing I can point to is, they can replicate some spells and mysteries, and in such cases their binder level is treated as their caster level.
Utterances: I have my doubts here as well, but I'll simply bring up a certain term; "Effective caster level.", also if we extend the same logic for invocations benefiting, the door may open here.