Gestalt Help! [SOLVED!]

[DrunkenMists]

I've hit the Dumbest roadblock possible... one that makes me feel really stupid.:smallfrown:

Bab, Fort, Ref and Will. I'm having unusual Trouble calculating these with the class switching (something I pretty much have never done, it's always been 1class//2class so it was just a matter of which one is higher)
Could somebody see it in thier awesomesauce knowledge to give me a hand?


20 Totemist/Soulfused Transcendent1 //Half-Dragon Thri-kreen (LA5/2RHD(7))/ Fighter 2/Soulfused Trancendent 9/Epic Hero 3.


{table]Level|Class1|Class2
1|Totemist 1|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 1
2|Totemist 2|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 2
3|Totemist 3|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 3
4|Totemist 4|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 4
5|Totemist 5|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 5
6|Totemist 6|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 6
7|Totemist 7|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 7
8|Totemist 8|Fighter 1
9|Totemist 9|Fighter 2
10|Totemist 10|Soulfused Trascendent 1
11|Totemist 11|Soulfused Trascendent 2
12|Totemist 12|Soulfused Trascendent 3
13|Totemist 13|Soulfused Trascendent 4
14|Totemist 14|Soulfused Trascendent 5
15|Totemist 15|Soulfused Trascendent 6
16|Totemist 16|Soulfused Trascendent 7
17|Totemist 17|Soulfused Trascendent 8
18|Totemist 18|Soulfused Trascendent 9
19|Totemist 19|Epic Hero 1
20|Totemist 20|Epic Hero 2
21|Soulfused Trascendent 10|Epic Hero 3[/table]

Stats (In no order yet): 13, 17, 11, 16, 14, 12

Totemist is in Magic of Incarnum, Fighter PHB, Soulfused Tracendent (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13759962&postcount=8), Epic Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5657085&postcount=1), Half Dragon Template (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfDragon.htm), Thri-Kreen (as in Expanded Psionics Handbook) (http://gaming.corellonshand.com/char/Thri-kreen.html)

Original Post
I'm Building a Totemist Based Gestalt and I've run into a wall.

I have two "dead levels" and I have no idea what would go good in them

this is the build sofar

20 Totemist/Soulfused Transcendent//Half-Dragon Thri-kreen (LA5/2RHD((7)))/ Something?? 2/Soulfused Trancendent 9/Epic Hero 3.
{table]Level|Class1|Class2
1|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 1
2|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 2
3|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 3
4|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 4
5|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 5
6|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 6
7|Totemist|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 7
8|Totemist|
9|Totemist|
10|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 1
11|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 2
12|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 3
13|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 4
14|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 5
15|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 6
16|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 7
17|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 8
18|Totemist|Soulfused Trascendent 9
19|Totemist|Epic Hero 1
20|Totemist|Epic Hero 2
21|Soulfused Trascendent20|Epic Hero 3[/table]

It's Level 8/9 that I'm trying to Fill.
I can't take Soulfused Transcendent (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13759962#post13759962) anywhere else due to entry requrements of it and Epic Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102456)

[Chronos]

Kensai is my usual preference for combining with Totemist, to enchant all of your claws, but I'm not sure how worthwhile that would be with only two levels available.

[DrunkenMists]

I decided on fighter 2..for some extra Feats XD

Please Consider this thread closed; I made a decision on it alot faster than expected.

[DrunkenMists]

Bumped due to A Different Question I had for looking for help with.....

I feel really stupid I can't figure it out..:smallfrown:

[Chronos]

Just a tip, but it can get really confusing when you edit an existing post into a different one. Much easier to just add a new post with the new question.

[DrunkenMists]

Old habit from running a forum; keeping the footprint low. sorry XP. I'll do as you mention XP

I've hit the Dumbest roadblock possible... one that makes me feel really stupid.:smallfrown:

Bab, Fort, Ref and Will. I'm having unusual Trouble calculating these with the class switching (something I pretty much have never done, it's always been 1class//2class so it was just a matter of which one is higher)
Could somebody see it in thier awesomesauce knowledge to give me a hand?


20 Totemist/Soulfused Transcendent1 //Half-Dragon Thri-kreen (LA5/2RHD(7))/ Fighter 2/Soulfused Trancendent 9/Epic Hero 3.


{table]Level|Class1|Class2
1|Totemist 1|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 1
2|Totemist 2|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 2
3|Totemist 3|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 3
4|Totemist 4|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 4
5|Totemist 5|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 5
6|Totemist 6|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 6
7|Totemist 7|Half-Dragon Thri-kreen 7
8|Totemist 8|Fighter 1
9|Totemist 9|Fighter 2
10|Totemist 10|Soulfused Trascendent 1
11|Totemist 11|Soulfused Trascendent 2
12|Totemist 12|Soulfused Trascendent 3
13|Totemist 13|Soulfused Trascendent 4
14|Totemist 14|Soulfused Trascendent 5
15|Totemist 15|Soulfused Trascendent 6
16|Totemist 16|Soulfused Trascendent 7
17|Totemist 17|Soulfused Trascendent 8
18|Totemist 18|Soulfused Trascendent 9
19|Totemist 19|Epic Hero 1
20|Totemist 20|Epic Hero 2
21|Soulfused Trascendent 10|Epic Hero 3[/table]

Stats (In no order yet): 13, 17, 11, 16, 14, 12

Totemist is in Magic of Incarnum, Fighter PHB, Soulfused Tracendent (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13759962&postcount=8), Epic Hero (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5657085&postcount=1), Half Dragon Template (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfDragon.htm), Thri-Kreen (as in Expanded Psionics Handbook) (http://gaming.corellonshand.com/char/Thri-kreen.html)

[Pesimismrocks]

BaB:17
Fort:12.3
Reflex:12.4
Will:11
As far as I can tell

[Icewraith]

Are you using fractional BAB/saves? I strongly recommend it, especially for gestalt.

[Pesimismrocks]

My post assumes fractional

[DrunkenMists]

BaB:17
Fort:12.3
Reflex:12.4
Will:11
As far as I can tell

..That would make more sense than any numbers I was coming up with..

now for me to look up how you got there and see what I was doing wrong XD.

Hopefully thats not beyond my brain :smallwink:


My post assumes fractional
oh. ...Can't say I know how that one works either; guess I should find out from my dm.

[Icewraith]

Here's how fractional BAB and saves work. There are actually only two kinds of saving throw progression and three kinds of bab. You just figure out which class offers what progression and then total the best from each class.

good save: 2.5 at first level, +.5 for each additional level after that.
bad save: +1/3 every level, starts at zero.

good BAB: +1 every level
medium BAB: +3/4 every level
poor BAB: + 1/2 every level

For adding numbers onto your dice during play you round all fractions down.

[Emperor Tippy]

Well let's see, the highest you can get pre level 20 is +12 to a save and +20/+15/+10/+5 to AB.

Totemist 20 gives you +12 Fort and +12 Reflex so those are done, none of the Fort or Reflex saves on the other side are relevant, the two Racial HD from Thri-Keen give you a +3 Will save and +2 AB (good will save, full AB). Half Dragon does nothing for saves or AB nor does the Thri-Keen LA so now comes Fighter 2.

The Fighter's saves don't matter (he doesn't have good Will) but he does have full AB so that is +2 so right now (ECL 9) your AB is +8/+3 (as one of the Thri-Keen AB's falls on the same level as a totemist one and so does one of the fighter AB's).

Now SFT, the only time it provides more AB than Totemist is at level 8 (+1 vs. +0 for level 18 SFT). For Will saves, over the 10 levels it provides +6 while Totemist would only provide +3 so you use the SFT for that so at ECL 18 you have BAB of +16/+11/+6/+1 and Will saves of +11.

Epic Hero and Totemist both provide +1 BAB at levels 19 and 20 so ECL 20 BAB is +18/+13/+8/+3 while Fort is +12, Reflex is +12, and Will is +13.

Then you hit epic and at ECL 21 you get +1 AB for +19/+14/+9/+4.

So your totals:
BAB: +19/+14/+9/+4.
Fort: +12
Reflex: +12
Will: +13

[DrunkenMists]

Well let's see, the highest you can get pre level 20 is +12 to a save and +20/+15/+10/+5 to AB.

Totemist 20 gives you +12 Fort and +12 Reflex so those are done, none of the Fort or Reflex saves on the other side are relevant, the two Racial HD from Thri-Keen give you a +3 Will save and +2 AB (good will save, full AB). Half Dragon does nothing for saves or AB nor does the Thri-Keen LA so now comes Fighter 2.

The Fighter's saves don't matter (he doesn't have good Will) but he does have full AB so that is +2 so right now (ECL 9) your AB is +8/+3 (as one of the Thri-Keen AB's falls on the same level as a totemist one and so does one of the fighter AB's).

Now SFT, the only time it provides more AB than Totemist is at level 8 (+1 vs. +0 for level 18 SFT). For Will saves, over the 10 levels it provides +6 while Totemist would only provide +3 so you use the SFT for that so at ECL 18 you have BAB of +16/+11/+6/+1 and Will saves of +11.

Epic Hero and Totemist both provide +1 BAB at levels 19 and 20 so ECL 20 BAB is +18/+13/+8/+3 while Fort is +12, Reflex is +12, and Will is +13.

Then you hit epic and at ECL 21 you get +1 AB for +19/+14/+9/+4.

So your totals:
BAB: +19/+14/+9/+4.
Fort: +12
Reflex: +12
Will: +13

*BLINK* *BLINK* :eek:
Wow. That Makes..Complete Sense!. Thanks! :smallbiggrin:

Thank you so much; Now it's clicked how to work it down the road to.
Great Teaching! Danke Again! :smallsmile:

[Emperor Tippy]

*BLINK* *BLINK* :eek:
Wow. That Makes..Complete Sense!. Thanks! :smallbiggrin:

Thank you so much; Now it's clicked how to work it down the road to.
Great Teaching! Danke Again! :smallsmile:

No problem, where it gets complicated is when you start throwing one and two level dips on both sides (at which point its easiest to just get out a piece of paper and pencil and just go down the list level by level and mark which is the better one at that level/what it provides you and then add it all up).

When you have one pure class 20 its easy to use that base and then just see what differs from it.

[ganresorc]

After playing a gestalt campaign similar to yours for nearly 3 years, we came to some conclusions that might help.

First, we didn't give the +2 to high saves for any base class except first level. Prestige classes got it as normal. This prevented one a$$hat from dipping into classes with all high saves repeatedly.

Second, we required that one side of the progression be completed(looks like you've done this on your own with totemist).