possibly stupid question

[Immabozo]

do racial bonuses satisfy PrC entry skill requirements?

[Humble Master]

I don't think so. Most PrC's say x number of ranks in the skills, not just the total bonus.

[gurgleflep]

do racial bonuses satisfy PrC entry skill requirements?

I don't see why they wouldn't, if they fill requirements they should.
Maybe a case-by-case basis? :smallconfused:

[Immabozo]

I don't think so. Most PrC's say x number of ranks in the skills, not just the total bonus.

I was afraid of that.

While I agree, possible DM discretion may be advised, That wording is what I thought killed it from a RAW point of view. Thanks

[Emperor Tippy]

Yeah, you need the ranks. And getting around that requirement early is a pain. Basically, get extra temporary HD from something (such as a Bard) and then use Psychic Reformation to up your skill ranks for the skill in question before losing the HD (you keep the higher skill ranks).

It rates about a 7 on my scale'o'cheese.

[Immabozo]

Yeah, you need the ranks. And getting around that requirement early is a pain. Basically, get extra temporary HD from something (such as a Bard) and then use Psychic Reformation to up your skill ranks for the skill in question before losing the HD (you keep the higher skill ranks).

It rates about a 7 on my scale'o'cheese.

Well, a 7th or 8th level druid could turn into a dusk giant and get the skills of a level 24 or 5 (or whatever it is exactly) HD dusk Giant!

that is pretty cheesey.

Rating a 7 on Tippy's cheese scale is impressive on a scale from 1 to 10. On a scale of 1 to 5... watch out! On a scale of 1 to 100, you're probably playing Truenamer and getting consolation points to make you feel better

EDIT Druid/ MoMF

[Devils_Advocate]

Take a look at test-based prerequisites (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/campaigns/testBasedPrerequisites.htm) from Unearthed Arcana for an alternative approach to prestige class requirements. Even a Dungeon Master unwilling to adopt it wholesale might be interested in altering things along those lines.

[Immabozo]

Take a look at test-based prerequisites (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/campaigns/testBasedPrerequisites.htm) from Unearthed Arcana for an alternative approach to prestige class requirements. Even a Dungeon Master unwilling to adopt it wholesale might be interested in altering things along those lines.

Sweet, thanks

[Tragak]

I don't see why not: if learning certain techniques require being good at doing certain things in particular, and certain species are better at doing those things, wouldn't they be better at learning the techniques that use them?

[Immabozo]

I don't see why not: if learning certain techniques require being good at doing certain things in particular, and certain species are better at doing those things, wouldn't they be better at learning the techniques that use them?

I'd think so, but RAW requires skill ranks, so I guess my DM might have to be asked

[Urpriest]

I don't see why not: if learning certain techniques require being good at doing certain things in particular, and certain species are better at doing those things, wouldn't they be better at learning the techniques that use them?

They don't require being good at it, they require knowledge. A fish doesn't know how to do the backstroke. That's why they're generally based on ranks.

[Chronos]

Looking at it from a gaming perspective rather than a storytelling perspective, the reason is to prevent entry into the class before some specific character level. You can get the total bonus to a skill really high at a really low level, but it's almost impossible to get your skill ranks higher than 3 plus your level.

[Immabozo]

They don't require being good at it, they require knowledge. A fish doesn't know how to do the backstroke. That's why they're generally based on ranks.


Looking at it from a gaming perspective rather than a storytelling perspective, the reason is to prevent entry into the class before some specific character level. You can get the total bonus to a skill really high at a really low level, but it's almost impossible to get your skill ranks higher than 3 plus your level.

Thats true, early entry is hard. You both make point so good, you could stab someone with them.