Elan's Magic: the Gathering

[dtilque]

Updated to OotS #1077

This is a list of all instances of Elan casting spells. He doesn't cast very often, so this thread doesn't get updated very often. I hope it doesn't run afoul of the thread necromancy rules for this forum.


0019 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0019.html) Silent Image -- female chimera
0066 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0066.html) ‎Silent Image -- female half-orc
0085 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html) Silent Image -- Banjulhu
0156 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0156.html) Animate Rope
0217 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0217.html) Disguise Self -- ogre
0387 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0387.html) Silent Image -- female guard
0387 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0387.html) Disguise Self -- warden
0397 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0397.html) Silent Image -- teletubby
0400 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0400.html) Mending -- fixes door
0455 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0455.html) Major Image -- group of good guys
0478 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0478.html) Major Image -- celestial lion
0552 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0552.html) Major Image -- horde of angry orcs
0596 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0596.html) Major Image -- Belkar
0647 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0647.html) Mass Cure Light Wounds
0674 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0674.html) Silent Image -- familiar
0712 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0712.html) Neutralize Poison -- for V
0721 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0721.html) Lesser Confusion -- at Enor
0805 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0805.html) Major Image -- celestial tree-sloth attack
0892 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0892.html) Silent Image -- wall image for hiding
0900 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0900.html) Mass Cure Light Wounds
0927 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0927.html) Lesser Confusion -- at the triceratops
0949 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0949.html) Cure Critical Wounds -- Felix
0952 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0932.html) Mending -- repair on airship
1063 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1063.html) Mending(failed) -- repairing gasbag
1065 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1065.html) Mending(failed) -- repairing gasbag
1069 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1069.html) Mending -- gasbag (plus up to 8 more failures)
1070 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1070.html) Cure Critical Wounds -- Roy
1071 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1071.html) Minor Confusion -- Frost Giant (no doubt meant to be Lesser Confusion)
1074 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1074.html) Mending -- gasbag again
1076 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1076.html) Cure Critical Wounds -- Roy
1077 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0647.html) Mass Cure Light Wounds


I did not include Summon Plot Exposition (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0013.html), considering that to be just a joke. The Mass Cure Light Wounds in 886 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0886.html) was in the illusion, so it doesn't count.

He's successfully cast 29 spells in 1077 strips, which is one every 37.1 strips. Previous rate was 38.4 strips/spell.

[The_Tentacle]

In #2 there, it's actually a female half-orc, not a goblin. You know, because Thog is a half-orc.

Also, just thought I'd say that I wouldn't really expect much spellcasting from Elan coming up. The current Evil Opposites theme appears to be 3 non-spellcasting and one kinda-spellcaster-but-not-really (Order), and 3 spelcasters and one kinda-spellcaster-but-not-really (Guild). So unless Nale runs at Roy with his sword and neglects to use magic, Elan will do the opposite, and so use his rapier.

[Ron Miel]

0552 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0552.html) Major Image -- horde of angry goblins



Orcs.

What about his songs, doesn't that count as spells?


The name "summon plot exposition" might be a joke, but he's certainly casting an illusion of some sort there. I say it should be included.

Smiting Roy (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html)? Is that an illusion cast by Elan, or does the puppet really have divine powers? Maybe it would count as a cleric spell.

[EmperorSarda]

Orcs.

What about his songs, doesn't that count as spells?
Nope, his bard songs are separate from the spells he can cast.


Smiting Roy (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html)? Is that an illusion cast by Elan, or does the puppet really have divine powers? Maybe it would count as a cleric spell.

Assuming it is real, it is Banjo who is doing the smiting, not Elan.

[Ebon_Drake]

Mass Cure Light Wounds (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0886.html). A debatable one, since they're inside an illusion.

[martianmister]

Mass Cure Light Wounds (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0886.html). A debatable one, since they're inside an illusion.

Already covered up.

[Ebon_Drake]

Whoops! I'd just focused on reading the list. My bad.

[dtilque]

In #2 there, it's actually a female half-orc, not a goblin. You know, because Thog is a half-orc.
Right. I have a tendency to assume orcs and goblins are the same thing, because Tolkien used the terms as synonyms. But it looks like D&D treats them as different races. BTW, shouldn't half-orcs have just one tusk?


Also, just thought I'd say that I wouldn't really expect much spellcasting from Elan coming up. The current Evil Opposites theme appears to be 3 non-spellcasting and one kinda-spellcaster-but-not-really (Order), and 3 spelcasters and one kinda-spellcaster-but-not-really (Guild). So unless Nale runs at Roy with his sword and neglects to use magic, Elan will do the opposite, and so use his rapier.

Could be, but I wouldn't expect the Evil Opposites theme to carry that far. For one thing, the Guild has the two summoned fiends which the Order does not have equivalents of. And the Guild doesn't have a counterpart to Mr Scruffy.

Oh, and Nale no longer has his sword. It was left behind when the Guild had to retreat from the ambush.

[rodneyAnonymous]

BTW, shouldn't half-orcs have just one tusk?

No. Possibly their tusks would be smaller than a full orc's, but the half-elf having only one pointy ear was a joke, that's abnormal.

[dtilque]

No. Possibly their tusks would be smaller than a full orc's, but the half-elf having only one pointy ear was a joke, that's abnormal.

Yes, I know it was a joke. I was making a joke too. Sorry I didn't put a smiley on it.

But now that I think about it, Thog only has one tusk, thanks to Roy. Well, OK, one and a half tusks. If Thog ever reappears in the strip, I imagine there may be a joke about it.

[zimmerwald1915]

No. Possibly their tusks would be smaller than a full orc's, but the half-elf having only one pointy ear was a joke, that's abnormal.
Since this thread was effectively over with the OP, there is no problem derailing it. So...what exactly was the problem with showing half-elves with one pointy ear? The way elf ears are drawn in the comic, what would be the best way to modify them to show half-elfiness? Shorten them? Make them a little rounder?

[karkus]

Actually, in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting, orcs refer to half-orcs as "one-tusks," I believe.

So I guess you weren't far off the mark. :smallamused:

[137beth]

Smiting Roy? Is that an illusion cast by Elan, or does the puppet really have divine powers? Maybe it would count as a cleric spell.
I would guess that was probably a silent image, where the image included the letters "Bzzt".

[CRtwenty]

I would guess that was probably a silent image, where the image included the letters "Bzzt".

I always assumed it was an actual smite. Elan actually worships Banjo, so Banjo is getting a very small amount of real Divine Power.

[dtilque]

I would guess that was probably a silent image, where the image included the letters "Bzzt".

If it were an illusion, it'd have Elan's blue dweomer around it. It didn't.

[Chronos]

I also think it was genuine divine power... But the thought of Elan creating a silent image that included a caption is funny.

[dtilque]

Updated the OP for #0900.

Note that Elan cast a 5th level spell, which he gets as a bonus for having a high Charisma. If he casts another one today, then he either has an extemely high Charisma (28+) or he's leveled up to 14th level Bard. If he casts two more today, then he's both leveled up and has the extra-high Charisma. Or if he casts Cure Serious Wounds, he's leveled up.

[Gift Jeraff]

If it were an illusion, it'd have Elan's blue dweomer around it. It didn't.

The celestial lion and tree sloth didn't have the blue aura.

[dtilque]

The celestial lion and tree sloth didn't have the blue aura.

True, but there was a dweomer around Elan's hand in those two instances. There was none at all for the smite.

It takes away the point of the failed smite for it to be an illusion. The point was that Banjo may be a god, but he lacks enough worshippers to be a powerful one. Having it be an illusion would mean Banjo wasn't a god at all.

[Sir_Leorik]

Smiting Roy (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0080.html)? Is that an illusion cast by Elan, or does the puppet really have divine powers? Maybe it would count as a cleric spell.

I assume Banjo hit Roy with an inflict minor (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/inflictMinorWounds.htm), but Roy made his Will save and took no damage. Banjo needs more followers to cast anything but orisons. :smallbiggrin:

[137beth]

True, but there was a dweomer around Elan's hand in those two instances. There was none at all for the smite.

It takes away the point of the failed smite for it to be an illusion. The point was that Banjo may be a god, but he lacks enough worshippers to be a powerful one. Having it be an illusion would mean Banjo wasn't a god at all.

Huh? The point was that Elan was being silly. Do you also think that Elan needing wisdom to be a good cleric is just a conspiracy, purely because he said so?

[dtilque]

Huh? The point was that Elan was being silly.

No, Elan was frowning there. He's being serious, not silly. Elan being silly is more like the last panel here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0206.html).

[Kurald Galain]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/Kurald_Galain/ElantheBard.jpg

[Reddish Mage]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/Kurald_Galain/ElantheBard.jpg

Nice image, where did it come from?

[Raphite1]

Why are all the female illusory individuals specifically labeled "female," but the male illusory individuals aren't specifically labeled "male"?

[dtilque]

Why are all the female illusory individuals specifically labeled "female," but the male illusory individuals aren't specifically labeled "male"?

Because the genders of those illusions were an important point of the spells in question. That is, they were female to distract various male beings. Otherwise, the gender of the illusory being was generally irrelevant to purpose of the illusion. Or explicit because it was an illusion of a particular being (Belkar, the Warden).

If the reverse trope (attractive male to distract a female) had ever been used, I would have labeled that illusion "male".

[Secris]

Please tell me there are more of those.

[JackRackham]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/Kurald_Galain/ElantheBard.jpg

This is awesome. Really.

[dtilque]

List updated to 927.

Prediction for next spell:

Animate Rope cast on Tarquin's whip. Assuming Tarquin actually uses the whip, which he may not do.

[nogall]

Hi Kurald, did you do all of these??

http://crystalshard.net/?f=oots-mtg

absolutely awesome, such a fine attention for detail. Kudos, sir.

[b_jonas]

It's not really canon, but in a forum post, Giant has described how he imagines the second fight between Miko and the order (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=291639#post291639) which is now shown in #251 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0251.html), and in this post he says "Elan casts an illusion of what he pictures Lord Shojo to look like".

[Kurald Galain]

Hi Kurald, did you do all of these??

http://crystalshard.net/?f=oots-mtg

absolutely awesome, such a fine attention for detail. Kudos, sir.

Thanks! Yes, and I've been meaning to do an expansion set at some point about DSTP and the current book :smallcool:

[Chronos]

Quoth dtilque:

If the reverse trope (attractive male to distract a female) had ever been used, I would have labeled that illusion "male".
Which would almost certainly be moot, because Elan himself is already quite possibly the most attractive male in his world. Or at least, very close to it; Tarquin and Julio Scoundrel are contenders (though with them aging, Elan may have overtaken them).

[Kish]

'Ey, what about Xykon?

"A man's worth isn't determined by what, if anything, is between his femurs!"

[Silverionmox]

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/Kurald_Galain/ElantheBard.jpg

Nice series: conceptually sound, picked good quotes, and actually would be interesting to play.

[dtilque]

Which would almost certainly be moot, because Elan himself is already quite possibly the most attractive male in his world. Or at least, very close to it; Tarquin and Julio Scoundrel are contenders (though with them aging, Elan may have overtaken them).

Does the Charisma score decrease with aging in D&D? I don't think it does, but could be wrong.

Anyway, this wouldn't apply to non-humanoid creatures, and probably not to many humanoid races, e.g. Dwarfs.

As far as the Tsukiko-Xykon thing, individual idiosyncrasies (which Tsukiko's necrophilia would be an excellent example of if he'd ever tried this tactic on her) are why it never works.

[zimmerwald1915]

Does the Charisma score decrease with aging in D&D? I don't think it does, but could be wrong.
In fact it increases.

[rodneyAnonymous]

CHA can be a lot more than how you look.

[zimmerwald1915]

CHA can be a lot more than how you look.
Judging by how it is described in the Player's Handbook Charisma must always be influenced by factors other than physical attractiveness. The implication is that physical attractiveness is not even the most important single factor influencing Charisma.

[DaggerPen]

Thanks! Yes, and I've been meaning to do an expansion set at some point about DSTP and the current book :smallcool:

Those are AWESOME.

[deworde]

I know it's nitpicking, but shouldn't Haley have "gain control of" feather than destroy? But yeah, totally proxying these in for my next game.

[Kurald Galain]

I know it's nitpicking, but shouldn't Haley have "gain control of" feather than destroy?

She sells the loot, hence "draw a card". Gaining control of artifacts is more of a Blue ability, and Haley clearly isn't Blue.

[dtilque]

bump to get this to the first page.

[dtilque]

update to #1071

Is there a way to change the thread's subject line? I'd like to mark it as an index thread.

[littlebum2002]

Yes. Edit the first post and there will be an option a the top to change the title.

[dtilque]

Yes. Edit the first post and there will be an option a the top to change the title.

I did do that. It changed the title of the first post, but not the subject line that shows up on the list of threads in the forum. I expect I'll have to get a moderator to change it.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

update to #1071

Is there a way to change the thread's subject line? I'd like to mark it as an index thread.

Only in the firs ~30 days of a thread's existance, IIRC. It'll probably have to wait 'til your next iteration.

You do it by editing the first post, and changing its title.

Edit: you might still be able to tag it, though. I think there is no time limit to adding tags to a thread.

GW

[Menarker]

It should be noted that this thread is technically a violation of Necroposting, since it had been inactive for 3 years before dtilque bumped it just to get it on the first page.

[dtilque]

It should be noted that this thread is technically a violation of Necroposting, since it had been inactive for 3 years before dtilque bumped it just to get it on the first page.

If TPTB want to shut it down, it's their right. I won't argue with them. The reason for the long time between postings is because Elan just doesn't cast spells very often. He's on a recent tear, so to speak, with the mending, healing and minor (lesser) confusion spells. We'll have to see if it continues.

This is an index thread, but it was started before they added the prefix feature to the forum software. I'd like to add the index-prefix, but apparently there's no way without starting a new thread. If TPTB want me to do that, I will.