[PF] Channeling outside of the Cleric

[Zubrowka74]

Is there a way (in Pathfinder only) to gain channeling outside of a one level cleric dip ? Archetypes, feats, etc

[Waker]

Life Mystery Oracle (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/life). Choose the Channel power.
Juju Mystery (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/juju) as well.

[Frosty]

Technially, Paladins can channel.

[grarrrg]

Life Oracles can take Positive Channeling as a Revelation.

Paladins by default get Channeling at level 4, and activate it by spending 2 uses of Lay on Hands. Despite not getting it until 4th level, it still counts ALL Paladin levels for strength (so a 4th level Paladin Channels as a 4th level Cleric).

There is a Paladin Archetype, Hospitaler, that gets a dedicated Channeling Pool (3+CHA uses), BUT it takes a -3 effective level penalty.

There are also various classes/archetypes that can Channel, but ONLY for purposes of Turning and/or Controlling Undead.
Bones or Juju Mystery Oracles.
Necromancer Wizards.

There are also some Prestiges that stack for Channeling, but don't actually grant any.

[Psyren]

False Priest and Riftwarden get a form of channel as well.

[grarrrg]

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Actual, full on Channeling:
Cleric, 1st level, Positive if Good, Negative if Evil, Either if Neutral (potentially BOTH (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/versatile-channeler) if Neutral, with restrictions).

Oracle (as early as) 1st level, with Life Mystery (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/life) can ONLY Channel Positive (but doesn't strictly have to be Good).

Paladin 4th level, Positive only, must spend uses of Lay on Hands.
Hospitaler (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo---paladin-archetypes/hospitaler) archetype for Paladin, slightly weaker Channeling, but a separate usage pool.

Shaman as Cleric, can ONLY Channel Positive Energy (but doesn't strictly have to be Good).
Shaman Witch Doctor (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/shaman/archetypes/paizo---shaman-archetypes/witch-doctor) archetype. 4th level, Positive only, effective level -3.

Warpriest, 4th level, must spend uses of Fervor. Scales about 1d6 per 3 levels (tops out at 7d6 at level 20).

Bard, Arcane Healer archetype. -1 to effective Cleric level, 1/day at level 2, +1/day every 4 levels.

Antipaladin (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/alternate-classes/antipaladin) 4th level, Negative only, must spend uses of Touch of Corruption.

Empyreal (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/archetypes/paizo---sorcerer-archetypes/wildblooded/empyreal) Sorcerer Wildbloodline, at 9th level you can Channel _1_/day with a -4 effective level penalty.

Hex Channeler Witch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch-archetypes/hex-channeler) 3+CHA/day, 1d6 at level 2. Does NOT advance normally, instead you must spend a Hex for every +1d6.

Adept Channel (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/adept-channel) Feat, 4th level, works like Cleric Channeling, slightly weaker, only 2/day uses, must still have at least 1 Divine Caster level.


"Special" Channeling: (can take feats and such to Improve, but not Alter)
Bones (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/bones) or Juju (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/juju) Oracle, (as early as) 1st level, Negative but ONLY to Command Undead.

Necromany School (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/arcane-schools/paizo---arcane-schools/classic-arcane-schools/necromancy) Wizard, 1st level, Negative but ONLY to Command Undead.

Aquatic Domain (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/aquatic-domain) (Druid), 1st level, ONLY to Heal or Command creatures with Aquatic or Water subtype.

Arctic Domain (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/arctic-domain) (Druid), 1st level, ONLY to Heal or Command creatures with Cold subtype.

Swamp Domain (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/aquatic-domain) (Druid), 1st level, ONLY to Heal Animals, Plants, and Vermin.

Cold Iron Warrior (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/archetypes/paizo---inquisitor-archetypes/cold-iron-warden) (Inquisitor), 3rd level, effective level -2. Gets Alignment Channel as a bonus feat, can only Channel to damage Evil or Chaotic Outsiders.

Soul Warden (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/soul-warden), 1st level, Damage Undead ONLY. Other classes with Channel Energy will stack to increase the damage (but Soul Warden doesn't seem to stack with them for their Channeling).

Stacks with Channeling:
Order of the Star (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/cavalier/orders/paizo---cavalier-orders/order-of-the-star) Cavalier, Cavalier levels count +1/2 level towards Channel strength (and Lay on Hands).

Hell Knight Signifier (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/hellknight-signifer) PrC, fully stacks with any Oracle Channeling, otherwise only stacks when Channeling vs. Chaotic Outsiders.

Holy Vindicator (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/holy-vindicator) PrC, stacks.

Channeling Scourge (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/channeling-scourge) Feat, Inquisitor levels count towards Channel damage, BUT you must already be able to Channel energy, and Inquisitor only counts for damage.


Anti-Stacks with Channeling:
Evangelist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/evangelist) Cleric Archetype, loses the 1st, 9th, and 15th level increases (cannot Channel until 3rd).

Scroll Scholar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/scroll-scholar) Cleric Archeytpe, loses the 5th level increase.


Not really Channeling:
False Priest (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/n-r/razmiran-priest) PrC, 2nd level, "channels" Positive energy, but it "heals" by granting Temp HP instead of actual healing (until level 10). "This ability does not count for the purposes of meeting any prerequisites that call for the ability to channel energy"

Riftwarden (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/n-r/riftwarden) PrC, useable at 2nd level, but uses Caster level instead of Character level for power, "channels" but only to damage creatures with the Extraplanar sub-type. "This ability cannot be used with feats, magic items, or other effects that modify channel energy."

[Zubrowka74]

Wow, thanks!

Seems that CHA gets a lot more love than WIS, even in PF! Sorc, Pallies, Oracle, Bards, Summoners...

I'm toying with the idea of a monkisitor build centered on WIS. I was trying to get the feat Guided Hand (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/-guided-hand) without having to resort to the Cleric dip... Because then why take the other two classes when you've got a tier one. Same same with Druids and Wizards.

[Zubrowka74]

Ha! Found a way, but then again it's a feat drain and CHA-dependant : Improve Eldritch Heritage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-eldritch-heritage) with the 9th level power of the Empyreal Wildblooded bloodline.

[grarrrg]

Ha! Found a way, but then again it's a feat drain and CHA-dependant : Improve Eldritch Heritage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-eldritch-heritage) with the 9th level power of the Empyreal Wildblooded bloodline.

I thought there was one in the Bloodlines somewhere...forgot just how INCREDIBLY HORRIBLY BAD it was...which is probably why I blocked it from my memory in the first place.

Then again, the whole point of Empyreal bloodline is the WIS-based Sorc casting, so...

(also edited the compilation above)

[Zubrowka74]

You know, optimizing a character is a lot like optimizing a MTG deck : you search for cards that do what you want to achieve and you end up finding more and more stuff.

I was trying to make the build as SAD as possible without listening to emo music, starting with DAD (WIS & DEX) I could only get rid of part of the DEX depencies. Then I took a look at the CHA to X table and it got out of control.

I'm not a huge fan of multiple dips because of the icky fluff implications. But I got carried away and this what I got :

Monk 3 (Zen Archer) / Ora 1 / Cleric 1 / Inq 2 (Heretic) / Pal 2 / Rogue X (Sniper)


ORA1 Replaces DEX to AC w/ CHA (Lore mystery)
MNK1 gets +WIS to AC

Noble Scion Feat replaces DEX to Init w/ CHA (Scion of War)
INQ2 gets +WIS to Init

ORA1 Replaces DEX to Ref w/ CHA (Lore mystery)
PAL2 gets +CHA to Saves

MNK3 Replaces DEX to hit (bows) w/ WIS (Zen Archer)
Guided Hand Feat gets +WIS to Hit Favored weapon

CLC1 gets you the channel prereq for Guided Hand
Taking Erastil makes the Longbow your favored weapon

RO4 (Sniper) gets you sneaks and two rogue talents (Sniper's eye and powerful sneak for example)
INQ2 (Heretic) gets +WIS to Bluff, Stealth as a complement to the Rogue

OK this ain't complete, it's just a mapping of what I'd get - I'd still have to choose domains / inquisitions, feat prereqs etc. I'd be aiming at ranged sneak with some crit fishing eventually. I do get CHA+WIS to AC and Init, WISx2 to hit and CHA to saves (x2 for ref!) plus other goodies. What do you think ?

[Zubrowka74]

And this would mean a (minor) DEX dump on an Archer / Rogue build. The fumbling sniper :D