The Biggest monster around

[drack]

OK, Basics: Necromancer raising something big, assume bodies are there, using it to hold something big in its mouth. I was thinking leviathan (200' long, 25' wide), but I was hopping for a land critter. Anywho my question is what fun, gynormouse (fluff-wise), non-ooze critters are out there? :smallbiggrin:

[Yora]

The Epic Level Handbook has some dragons that are size "Collosal +".

[iDesu]

The biggest monster around? That woudl probably be Tippy.

[Mystia]

Atropus?
I mean, it's the size of a moon.

[hamishspence]

The moon isn't fightable though. Only the much smaller Aspect is.

The advanced Aspect of the Leviathan (Elder Evils) has one of the biggest Spaces around- 60ft.

Devastation Vermin (Epic Handbook) come close behind, at 50 ft.

[drack]

Well I was kind of hopping for a single monster type like leviathan.. There aren't any giant snakes that big or anything?

[hamishspence]

There is a Leviathan monster in MMII (an oversized whale- magical beast) and it is Colossal- but I think the WoTC PDF updating MMII (and other books) to 3.5, gave it a pretty normal Space for a Colossal creature.

[drack]

Ah. Oh well then. guess there's always stuff like purple-worm. :smalltongue:

Anywho thanks folks

[hamishspence]

There's a very snaky Elder Evil some 300+ ft long (Dendar, in Champions of Ruin)- but I can't see a necromancer killing her easily, much less raising her as an undead.

Linnorms (MM2 again) are snaky but with a set of forearms.

[drack]

Actually linnorms are a pretty good call. Thanks mate. :smallbiggrin:

[hamishspence]

Devastation Centipede may not be exactly snaky- but it comes pretty close.

Or just advance a Dire Snake (MM2) way past what the rules allow for- "they're more like guidelines than actual rules" for a DM after all.

[drack]

True. Mostly just that I've always preferred when an undead can double as a mobile home of sorts where you can take the party for a ride in it's stomach. :smalltongue: I ended up doing one a while back with pirates undersea where I used my necromancy HD to raise a leviathan, and used sculpt stone to make it like a boat. Was mostly looking for a land equivalent. :smalltongue:

[hamishspence]

MM3 has the Siege Crab- which comes pre-hollowed even when alive, and is used to ride in.

[drack]

Yup, but isn't it a construct or something? :smalltongue:

[hamishspence]

Nope- I think it's a Magical Beast- having been bred from an existing species of crab.

[drack]

Now that's nifty. Though seeing as I was planning to stone to sculpt stone-> craft check-> stone to flesh, it'd be pretty easy to hollow out most things. :smalltongue:

[ShurikVch]

Some epic dragons have colossal+ size.
Goristro (from Hordes of Abyss) grow to any possible size.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Advance a housecat to Colossal size after applying the Titanic template (MM2)

[big teej]

reminds me of a critter I need to start throwing at my players again...

I cribbed it from Magic: The Gathering.

if memory serves it was called Lorescale Coatl or something similar.

it's mtg effect was something along the lines of +1/+1 every turn.

so, in dnd. it's a snake that never stops growing. they're slain on sight by most people because they
never.
stop.
growing.

I look forward to having the party come across one big enough to swallow a town.

[Kuulvheysoon]

reminds me of a critter I need to start throwing at my players again...

I cribbed it from Magic: The Gathering.

if memory serves it was called Lorescale Coatl or something similar.

it's mtg effect was something along the lines of +1/+1 every turn.

so, in dnd. it's a snake that never stops growing. they're slain on sight by most people because they
never.
stop.
growing.

I look forward to having the party come across one big enough to swallow a town.

The Deathcoil from Serpent Kingdoms is a scary-big snake that can be advanced in size? Oh yeah, it's also got near-human intelligence.

[Kane0]

Does anyone remember the Zaratan? Island sized turtle thing?
Not sure about the actual size but i always found it pretty intriguing.

[hamishspence]

I think it was on the order of 80 x 80 ft - it was in Arms & Equipment Guide. That's 3.0 though.

[Bronk]

You could use a Goristro. It starts at huge size but can grow to be arbitrarily large... they are even called out as growing big enough to be used as a basis to build a city on.

[BWR]

Regarding atropals: how big is a moon?
Moons can be quite small, down to 1 km in diameter. They can also be larger than Mercury.
Zaratans could grow to 300 feet across.

[Phelix-Mu]

The moon isn't fightable though. Only the much smaller Aspect is.


What? Blasphemy!

*rising spirit speech*

Leader:"LET'S GO KILL THAT MOON!"

Wizard: "Wait, that moon over there?"

Leader: "Yeah, we're gonna go kill it."

Wizard: "Oh, right. So would you be mad if I killed it during your speech and am currently terraforming it as the site of my new summer home?"

Leader:"....."

I think it would be much more capstone to have to kill a moon-sized rogue planetoid. Alas, those designers always seem to pull their punches at the weirdest times.

[Cirrylius]

Immortal's Handbook Bestiary (3rd party) has rules for advancing creatures up to universe-sized. I have NO idea how playable that would be in general, or for you in particular, though.

[Chronos]

Immortal's Handbook is of very nearly the same level of overall quality as dandwiki. I would recommend just ignoring it entirely.

[drack]

Immortal's Handbook is of very nearly the same level of overall quality as dandwiki. I would recommend just ignoring it entirely.

This is the common stance most people I see on the forums take. I've een multiple games crash and burn because they used that...

[Cirrylius]

*shrugs*

I didn't say ALL of it was useful. I can't imagine using just the sizing rules would be too broken, but I've never been.