Highest skill with 1 bab at first level?

[Tuki Tuki]

Hey guys, does anyone know what class gives 1 bab at first level and gives you the most amount of skill points? All replies thank you in advance :smallsmile:

[Scow2]

I was thinking of all the 4+Int classes, then I remembered one of these guys: Ranger, at 6+INT.

[Tuki Tuki]

I was thinking of all the 4+Int classes, then I remembered one of these guys: Ranger, at 6+INT.

Oh, i thought ranger gave 4+int, thats pretty sweet :smalltongue:

[Hyena]

Crusader and warblade both get a lot of skillpoints, though you or your DM may be reculant to use it.

[NeoPhoenix0]

elf ranger substitution levels grant 8+int and there is a substitution at lv 1.

[Tuki Tuki]

elf ranger substitution levels grant 8+int and there is a substitution at lv 1.

Ah, but i'm not being an elf sadly

[Akal Saris]

Oh, i thought ranger gave 4+int, thats pretty sweet :smalltongue:

It got bumped up from 3E to 3.5, I believe.

Elf ranger 1 is the highest combo that I'm aware of.

[ArcturusV]

Yeah, I was thinking Swordsage myself, with it's 6+Int x6 at level 1. But it's not +1 BAB.

[BowStreetRunner]

The only other full BAB base class that gives 6 skill points/level is Mariner from the Age of Mortals sourcebook in Dragonlance.

Barbarian, Swashbuckler, Crusader, and Warblade all give 4 skill points/level with full BAB.

All other full BAB base classes of which I am aware only give 2 skill points/level.

[HalfQuart]

Almost certainly not what you're looking for, but there are some monster savage progressions that get 8+Int skill points from Savage Species (3.0): generally speaking all Outsiders do...Azer, Mephits, Slaad, Triton, Half-Celestials, Half-Fiends, etc. The outsider type in 3.5 also gets full bab and 8+Int skill points, so you could find a low (not 1) HD/LA race.... Likewise Draegloth (I think also an Outsider) from Champions of Ruin gets full BAB and 8 skill points through a savage progression like in SS. Not too playable with 6HD +4LA, though.

[Snowbluff]

It got bumped up from 3E to 3.5, I believe.

Elf ranger 1 is the highest combo that I'm aware of.

Did Belkar mention the skill points? :smallconfused:

[Mountain]

Elf ranger 1 is definitely the highest base amount (only one class gets 10+int), but warblades and swashbucklers have better INT synergy with class abilities, so may end up with more skill points overall. Also, be a human, and if you can, take Nymph's Kiss (BoED) for a total of two more per level.

[ArcturusV]

Except the way that Nymph's Kiss seems to be written, it wouldn't give you +4 at first level, it would only provide a +1 skill point even if you took it at level 1. I've read it backwards and forwards and it certainly seems that way. Note that every other source of bonus skill points per level does actually say "these are multiplied by 4 at level 1" expecting Nymph's Kiss.

At which point if you're looking for just level 1 skillness (One shot for example), you're better off getting Open Minded for a fixed 5.

[Kornaki]

Did Belkar mention the skill points? :smallconfused:

How do you think he could afford profession(chef)?

[Mountain]

Except the way that Nymph's Kiss seems to be written, it wouldn't give you +4 at first level, it would only provide a +1 skill point even if you took it at level 1. I've read it backwards and forwards and it certainly seems that way. Note that every other source of bonus skill points per level does actually say "these are multiplied by 4 at level 1" expecting Nymph's Kiss.

At which point if you're looking for just level 1 skillness (One shot for example), you're better off getting Open Minded for a fixed 5.

I would caution against Open Minded, as the flat 5 points would not scale with level, whereas the +1 per level from Nymph's Kiss will have given you more than that by level 6. It does not appear to get the x4 at first level by RAW, but ask your DM.

[ArcturusV]

Yeah, I only mentioned it for if you're going for a one shot where you're not really expecting to level up. Or if you do you might get up to level 3, at most.

[BowStreetRunner]

Did Belkar mention the skill points? :smallconfused:

He mentions them right in OotS#1 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html). When they are discussing the upgrade from 3.0 to 3.5 he says "C'mon, c'mon, Daddy needs some new skill points!"

[nyjastul69]

I believe RAW states Nymph's Kiss can't have the 1st level x4 multiplier applied. Much like there is an order of operations for gaining levels, there is also an order of operations for character creation. Skills are are allocated before feats are chosen. My source is PH pg. 6.