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Asteron
2013-06-21, 04:12 PM
Is there any way to get Scintillating Scales on the Druid list? It would be very powerful with Dragon Wild Shape.

thethird
2013-06-21, 04:21 PM
Two levels of hexer (MotW) would do it.

Spuddles
2013-06-21, 04:23 PM
Qualifying for Hexer is hard. Lightning Bolt as divine only shows up on the Adept spell list, AFAIK, which means entry requires Adept or Archivist, or that forgotten realms feat for wizards that let's you change arcane to divine.

Asteron
2013-06-21, 04:26 PM
Its definitely not worth giving up 2 levels of Druid for...

Venger
2013-06-21, 04:46 PM
Qualifying for Hexer is hard. Lightning Bolt as divine only shows up on the Adept spell list, AFAIK, which means entry requires Adept or Archivist, or that forgotten realms feat for wizards that let's you change arcane to divine.

that's from races of faerun and is called "southern magician"

there's nothing in there that makes it wizard only. its only requirement is being able to cast 2nd lvl spells (and to be a mulan human, but I'm not going to pretend anyone cares about that)

hexer is full casting, so you're not really giving up much.

other than what spuddles mentioned though, there's no way to qualify for hexer without taking levels in a class that isn't druid. Lightning bolt appears on no domain lists, so even southern magician + arcane disciple won't pop it on your list, nor is scintillating scales on any domain (not even scalykind or dragon, which is a bummer)

you may just have to do what normal people do and either use wands or, failing that, potions since you can drink them while in different wild shapes (since it's easy to find shapes that have a better natural armor bonus than the small/med dragons you can turn into with dragon wild shape, such as cave ankylosaurus)

Clistenes
2013-06-21, 04:51 PM
Just research the spell. I think that a Druid usually should be able to create a divine version of a wizardly spell at two levels higher (so a 7th level wizard spell could be a 9th level druid spell), unless the spell itself is too blatantly un-druidical.

Spuddles
2013-06-21, 04:57 PM
Apprentice Feat (DMG2) gets you UMD on your class list. A wand, eternal or otherwise, of a second level spell isn't particularly costly.

Vaz
2013-06-21, 05:07 PM
Lightning bolt is not accesible outside of Shair (with its odd mixed format), archivist, adept or shugenja. No cleric domains provide it (but they do provide the better version), and IIRC no bloodline feat adds it to your spell list. Without Southern Magician Arcane Hierophant, a druid cannot get in.

However, by the time you qualify as for Hexer in that manner, you'll be able to cast it as a Theurge Wiz/Druid.

sleepyphoenixx
2013-06-21, 05:17 PM
A wand will only last for 3 rounds. Unless you have a +8 or higher constitution mod you'd be better off casting Halo of Sand(Sandstorm) for your deflection AC anyway.
If your CL is under 12, get a Ankh of Ascension (MIC) or Bead of Karma to boost it.
Sirine's Grace(SpC) is another option to get deflection AC but it runs of Charisma (still gives you +2 dodge and +2 deflection with only 10 cha though).

If you have a Bard in your party you can get another cheap +4 morale and +4 sacred to charisma with Snowsong (Frostburn) and Inner Beauty (FC, good only). Both last for 10 minutes per level instead of rounds.

Venger
2013-06-21, 05:19 PM
A wand will only last for 3 rounds. Unless you have a +8 or higher constitution mod you'd be better off casting Halo of Sand(Sandstorm) for your deflection AC anyway.
If your CL is under 12, get a Ankh of Ascension (MIC) or Bead of Karma to boost it.
Sirine's Grace(SpC) is another option to get deflection AC but it runs of Charisma (still gives you +2 dodge and +2 deflection with only 10 cha though).

If you have a Bard in your party you can get another cheap +4 morale and +4 sacred to charisma with Snowsong (Frostburn) and Inner Beauty (FC, good only). Both last for 10 minutes per level instead of rounds.

that's not true, the duration on scintillating scales is 1 min/lvl not 1 round/lvl.

the rest of your advice is sound though.

Spuddles
2013-06-21, 05:48 PM
A wand will only last for 3 rounds. Unless you have a +8 or higher constitution mod you'd be better off casting Halo of Sand(Sandstorm) for your deflection AC anyway.
If your CL is under 12, get a Ankh of Ascension (MIC) or Bead of Karma to boost it.
Sirine's Grace(SpC) is another option to get deflection AC but it runs of Charisma (still gives you +2 dodge and +2 deflection with only 10 cha though).

If you have a Bard in your party you can get another cheap +4 morale and +4 sacred to charisma with Snowsong (Frostburn) and Inner Beauty (FC, good only). Both last for 10 minutes per level instead of rounds.

You are looking at the 3.0 version from Draconomicon; I'm guessing you're getting it from dndtools.

Check SpC for the new version. There's no con-mod cap and the duration is in minutes. It just turns your natural armor into a deflection modifier. Combine with bear morph & bite of the werebear for truly untouchable touch AC.

ksbsnowowl
2013-06-21, 05:52 PM
You are looking at the 3.0 version from Draconomicon; I'm guessing you're getting it from dndtools.

Check SpC for the new version. There's no con-mod cap and the duration is in minutes. It just turns your natural armor into a deflection modifier. Combine with bear morph & bite of the werebear for truly untouchable touch AC.
Minor quibble. Draconomicon is 3.5, not 3.0. It's publishing date is after the 3.5 Core books.

Chronos
2013-06-21, 05:54 PM
By some interpretations, the Extra Spell feat can give you a spell from another class's list. If that works, it'd almost certainly be the simplest.

sleepyphoenixx
2013-06-21, 06:05 PM
You are looking at the 3.0 version from Draconomicon; I'm guessing you're getting it from dndtools.

Check SpC for the new version. There's no con-mod cap and the duration is in minutes. It just turns your natural armor into a deflection modifier. Combine with bear morph & bite of the werebear for truly untouchable touch AC.

I see. That's certainly a lot more desirable. Still, it's impossible without a multi-level dip afaik.
If you're willing to go that far you could just get 2 levels of Swordsage and cast a CL-boosted Owl's Insight for a massive increase in touch AC (or get a monks belt and be unarmored). You can easily get a +8CL just for gold.
If you're willing to invest, depending on allowed books, it can easily get to +15-20. Keep in mind that the CL increase benefits a lot more than just your AC.

Otherwise your best bet would probably be to go for Arcane Hierophant. If early entry cheese is allowed it's certainly worth it, if you have to take the 3 wizard levels it's a much bigger sacrifice.

Asteron
2013-06-21, 11:51 PM
I'll just see if it can be houseruled/researched to make it a druid spell. There isn't anything inherently Arcane about it, as someone pointed out earlier.