Perfect Balance (3.p)

[Seatbelt]

What does this class ability do, exactly? It seems that with perfect balance it grants you a total reduction of the TWF penalties by 2.

Alternately you can wield a 1-handed weapon in your off hand as a light weapon. But this is exactly the same ability granted by Improved Balance. Is the D20pfsrd just screwed up and this is a typo or something? It seems that Perfect Balance SHOULD let me use the 1-handed melee weapon as a light weapon in my off hand.

[CTrees]

Link, for those wondering (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/two-weapon-warrior)


Improved Balance
At 11th level, the attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 for a two-weapon warrior. Alternatively, he may use a one-handed weapon in his off-hand, treating it as if it were a light weapon with the normal light weapon penalties.

Perfect Balance
At 15th level, the penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by an additional –1 for a two-weapon warrior. This benefit stacks with improved balance. If he is using a one-handed weapon in his off hand, treating it as a light weapon, he uses the normal light weapon penalties.

The way I read this is, Improved Balance gives you an either/or (see the "alternatively") - you can either have the penalty reduction active, or he can wield a one-handed weapon in his offhand as though it was light. For Perfect Balance, it's not a choice - you get a bigger penalty reduction, and you can wield an one-handed weapon in your offhand, as though it was light.

[Seatbelt]

Link, for those wondering (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/two-weapon-warrior)




The way I read this is, Improved Balance gives you an either/or (see the "alternatively") - you can either have the penalty reduction active, or he can wield a one-handed weapon in his offhand as though it was light. For Perfect Balance, it's not a choice - you get a bigger penalty reduction, and you can wield an one-handed weapon in your offhand, as though it was light.

Thats how I wanted it to work. But the wording was was confusing me. Thanks. :)

[Drelua]

The way I read this is, Improved Balance gives you an either/or (see the "alternatively") - you can either have the penalty reduction active, or he can wield a one-handed weapon in his offhand as though it was light. For Perfect Balance, it's not a choice - you get a bigger penalty reduction, and you can wield an one-handed weapon in your offhand, as though it was light.

I'm confused, how is Perfect Balance any different from Improved Balance? They both use the phrase 'normal light weapon penalties,' so they should be exactly the same as far as using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand goes, right? It seems to me that normal means without these abilities and the two are just redundant. That might not be the intent, and I don't think it's really fair, but the RAW seems pretty clear on that. I mean, they're redundant either way since they both use the same phrase.

[CRtwenty]

I'm confused, how is Perfect Balance any different from Improved Balance? They both use the phrase 'normal light weapon penalties,' so they should be exactly the same as far as using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand goes, right? It seems to me that normal means without these abilities and the two are just redundant. That might not be the intent, and I don't think it's really fair, but the RAW seems pretty clear on that. I mean, they're redundant either way since they both use the same phrase.

Improved Balance allows you to choose either a -1 penalty reduction for TWF or the ability to use a 1-handed weapon as a light weapon in your off-hand.

Perfect Balance allows you to do both at once, and gives you an additional -1 reduction to your TWF penalty.

[Invader]

Is this a rule in 3.5 because I'm not familiar with it?

[Seatbelt]

No it is not.

[CRtwenty]

Is this a rule in 3.5 because I'm not familiar with it?

Pathfinder unfortunately.

[Invader]

Pathfinder unfortunately.

The title is misleading, I kept looking for it outside PF and couldn't find it :smallbiggrin:

[Drelua]

Improved Balance allows you to choose either a -1 penalty reduction for TWF or the ability to use a 1-handed weapon as a light weapon in your off-hand.

Perfect Balance allows you to do both at once, and gives you an additional -1 reduction to your TWF penalty.

Oh wow, I completely missed the lack of the word 'Alternatively.' I'm a moron.:smallredface: